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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,603 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Everyone knows now that Martin was not prepared to grasp the nettle in RTE. The chair was even surprised at how hands off she was. How is Martin still minister?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭csirl


    The Chair sets the tone for an organisation. Regardless of what dhe did or didnt say or knew or didnt know, the exit packages and confidentiality clauses happened under her tenure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,603 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Yes and Siun is chair since November 2022. 15 months. 8 months in crisis mode. Moya was chair a lot longer. 8 years. And Moya is nowhere to be seen.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,700 ✭✭✭rovers_runner


    Martin fell on her sword in a a proposed heave against Ryan in exchange for a ministry.

    If she goes she ruins Ryan in public, and the Govt falls as the Greens disintegrate.


    Mind you, their demise is inevitable, a slow motion crash, I'm hoping for a state inquiry into Roderic O'Saville and his endangerment of homeless children.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,594 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Not sure how you arrived at making a Boris Johnson comparison here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Martin v Siún Round 1 to Martin - Martin got her digs in first.

    Martin v Siún Round 2 to Siún - Siún comes back out swinging and lands a few hefty blows.

    Martin v Siún Round 3 ?? My bet is on Siún.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,987 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost



    weird for her to remark that its the SG who acts for the minister?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Leaving aside her media brief, she's an absolute disgrace as Minister for Tourism.

    Letting her Green Party buddy Roderic walk all over regional tourism businesses. I wouldn't even call her 'hands off' as regards tourism as she's totally missing in action. The worst Minister for Tourism we've ever had??



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭glenfieldman


    The Siun statement only make it to the fifth story of the 9 news, that station is a joke



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,402 ✭✭✭CH3OH


    New chair:




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,285 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    Having a Big4 accountant in there might put some sense on their finances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,987 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,285 ✭✭✭downtheroad




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,919 ✭✭✭gifted


    Great timing of the announcement of a new chair. Should be enough to twart any noise been made by Siún.


    Some would say a fabulous coincidence 😁😁😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,968 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Nobody resigns from jobs lije them without a package whether in the public or private sector. Most would have part of a contract term left and a non compete clause to be factored in as well. Damage to there reputation when dealing with a Dail committee will have been factored in as well.

    Richard Colins is a widower with children so he was fully entitled to bargain hard.

    Everybody knew they would have to get packages to get them to leave.

    The problem I would have woukd be the likes of packages for Gearldine O'Leary who got a redundancy package and was replaced and that was done on Moya Doherty's watch, and the business relationship between Dee Forbes and Noel Kelly, where he seemed to be able to dictate who got what

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,549 ✭✭✭yagan


    An accountant who forgets to mention hefty exit packages.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,968 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    She should not need to anybody that thinks that intelligent people resigned from well paying jobs without a package are idiots.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,549 ✭✭✭yagan


    She herself resigned because she felt humiliated that elected representatives think it important.

    The humiliation of having Montrose golden circles so crudely exposed must have been too much for her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,597 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    O'Leary retired with no package, Breeda O'Keefe got some form of redundancy payment.

    I presume those that retire get a lump sum in RTE though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,830 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,302 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    For which house, she comes across as a " let them eat cake" individual.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,603 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,441 ✭✭✭NSAman




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭csirl


    Civil servants dont get a "package' for resigning. The concept simply does not exist for them.

    Tue most "tone deaf' aspect, though, is thinking it would be ok to insert confidentiality clauses. Civil service salaries are published.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,453 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Far from it. She has challenged the veracity of Martin's claims before a committee. There is now a request for Martin to answer questions in the Dail. This is serious stuff.

    Regards...jmcc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,549 ✭✭✭yagan


    So is forgetting to mention bumper finger in the air exit packages.

    Regardless of what you think of the current minister the optics are bad for the rte golden circles club.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,919 ✭✭✭gifted


    Seems to me that Minister Martin took out the easiest target thinking that that would be the end of it.....looks like she picked the wrong person to sacrifice....fair play to Siún for biting back....she was humiliated on tv......really hope she gives an interview.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,731 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Yeah.... like a 'pass the parcel' game last one left holding the job got 'done'.

    In my opinion NOBODY in RTE management over the years can hold their heads up given the utter swamp that was uncovered when the Tubridy issue blew up. Crazy wedges being paid to presenters for spurious reasons, others ligging for all they were worth and that wasn't a lot!!!

    There was a lid of secrecy on that place for ages, Siun was the unlucky one .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,453 ✭✭✭jmcc


    The comment from Ni Raghallaigh are very damaging to Martin and show that she was a hands-off minister who relied upon her staff to keep her informed rather than having meetings with Ni Raghallaigh. Martin made all these claims before the committee. There are calls for Martin to appear before the Dail to answer questions on this. It is no longer about the RTE exit packages. It is now about a minister potentially misleading an Oireachtas committee.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2024/0305/1435988-rte-martin/

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users Posts: 613 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    so whos yer mawn with the windswept and interesting hairdo thats going to be the new chairman?


    "They gave me an impossible task,one which they said I wouldnt return from...."

    ps wheres my free,fancy rte flip-flops...?

    pps wheres my wheres my rte macaroons,kevin?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭tom23


    One of the "goys". Will sort out this awful mess. Though as they very informed @jmcc says Martin could be back in firing line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,736 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Must be a new entrant for the golden circle. I am sure if enough digging is done on him you will find he is politically connected to one of FG or FF. I doubt if the Greens would be allowed put one of their own crony's in there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 811 ✭✭✭kazamo


    “The redundancy payment of nearly €400,000 to a former HSE director was signed off by Public Expenditure Minister Paschal Donohoe’s officials as “value for money for the State” after senior health executives asked for it to be approved.

    The HSE also paid for a senior counsel to mediate in talks around the redundancy payment to its former director Dean Sullivan, who received nearly €400,000 after his departure.

    The Department of Public Expenditure and Reform confirmed last night it signed off on the sum after submissions from HSE chief executive Bernard Gloster and Department of Health secretary general Robert Watt.

    The mediation process involving a senior counsel was invoked by the HSE in the case of Mr Sullivan, a former HSE deputy director general who also oversaw strategy since he was appointed on a contract to join the organisation in 2017.

    Mr Sullivan, who was not in a permanent post, was paid in the region of around €200,000. Following talks, he received a redundancy payment amounting to €388,983.

    Mr Sullivan was first appointed in 2017 and was further employed as chief strategy officer from July 2022.”



    Looks like a package to me

    This was from last Friday 1st March 2024.

    Can we once and for all dispense with the nonsense about RTE being some rogue element. These obscene payments take place in the civil service too and it appears that you reach the 2 years salary payout far quicker in the civil service……7 years in the above case



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,549 ✭✭✭yagan


    That's all meaningless in the public eye. The public are not going to side with any whiff of rte defenceness when we're being told we told we're not allowed to know what people get paid in a license funded service.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,919 ✭✭✭gifted




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,731 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Exactly….In my opinion there is a concerted effort from within RTE and their aide-de-camps in the national media to divert attention

    away from the swamp that is the National Broadcaster.

    How one ‘agent’ got so much power in the National Broadcaster is mind boggling.

    If one were to get really cynical one could be forgiven for surmising that it was an organised attempt to screw John Q TAXPAYER

    for everything they could get, and then put the begging bowl out.

    Its difficult to look at it any other way in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,736 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    I agree with this except for maybe Aine O'Leary, think she is the part time risk manager that was the one that noticed the irregularities and called in the auditors this time last year just before this thing blew up. I'm not too sure if she got to party like the rest of them

    That whole Dee Forbes management team seems to have been an nest of parasites, not sure if she appointed them all or inherited some and that is just the way things were done. The one who has really annoyed me is Brenda O'Keefe and her carry on with the exit package that she designed and then the way that she came to the committee meeting threw Collins under the bus when he inherited the mess from her and then said she wouldn't attend anymore and was sending messages to others at the meetings telling them what to say. I think if I was working anywhere near her, I'd need to wear a stab vest to stop from getting a knife in the back.



  • Registered Users Posts: 811 ✭✭✭kazamo


    When all this is finally over…..what is the outcome ?

    • Broadcasting charge based on Leo’s preferred route this morning.
    • Few RTE heads gone but most well paid off
    • Politicans get their media profiles enhanced

    So RTE will get their funding model enhanced ……for a fundamentally flawed service but will leave them more careful about going after politicians.

    RTE and the Politicans will be the winners…..and we are the losers both financially and in terms of little reform other than cosmetic stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,549 ✭✭✭yagan


    When Siun use the word "traduce" I knew the plan was to talk down to us.

    It's an attempt to bog down rte deceptions in a quagmire, but the public are reminded daily that if they have a tv they are legally bound to fund unaccountability.

    Those of us with long enough memories haven't forgot how Pat Kenny fought to keep his fee private knowledge.



  • Registered Users Posts: 613 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    aye i suppose...GnTs after the canapes in the private box at landsdowne road....ex top dog in KPMG,hmm..do ye mind a fews years ago that young one in a video spouting off how her dad was top man in KPMG...?wonder same person?.....yeah bit of a yachty type look to him all right,great to know where our licence fee/tax money is going to!


    "They gave me an impossible task,one which they said I wouldnt return from...."

    ps wheres my free,fancy rte flip-flops...?

    pps wheres my wheres my rte macaroons,kevin?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,159 ✭✭✭bigroad


    If the Shinners get in we might see some proper reform of RTE.

    Cant see Leo and co doing anything meaningful as some of the employees seem to have political connections .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,453 ✭✭✭jmcc


    The Media Committee extended an invitation to herself and Forbes to appear before it. Her statement has already been submitted. If she takes up the invitation and repeats this to the committee then Martin is in a lot of trouble. There seems to be an attempt to try saving Martin by FFG but Catherine Murphy/SocDems has asked for time in the Dail for Martin to answer questions. This does not appear to be having the quiet ending for which Martin hoped.

    The optics for FFG are terrible on this as it seems like a nice little old lady being bullied by an incompetent and out-of-touch minister and then blamed for that minister's incompetence. Turns out that the nice little old lady is a formidable corporate politician who is causing a lot of problems for FFG and knows how to play the game of influencing the public better than them.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭csirl


    None of these people are civil servants. These are people working for state agencies - much the same as RTE. As stated earlier, exit packages on resignation do not exist in the civil service. That RTE is not the only state agency doing so does not make it right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,736 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Martin won't be answering questions in the Dáil. The government will either say no and drag this out for another few days and the Dáil breaks for St Patrick's. Martin will be delighted to get out of the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭fuzzy dunlop


    I think that sh!show could be run on one third of its current budget. It is devoid of originality and always was. And the nepotism of course has been mentioned. Whatever the latest fad is , they will go with it. Nothing screams this like their ridiculous brainstorm pieces on the RTE website. Where Ireland's fruit juice drinkers and polyamory advocates get their indulgences boosted at the license payers expense.

    I always thought the nepotism was overstated until I heard an interview/report a few years ago on drive time with a WIT academic about a regional economics report. The report after that was introduced by Abie Philbin Bowman. I have seen Abie on the comedy circuit and his biggest fan is Abie Philbin Bowman.I would be astonished if he was hired on the back of his own talent. Not long before that Frank MacNamara was plugging his son on the LLS.

    The whole thing needs to be stripped down to the core and there needs to be a salary cap of around 175k.

    There is enough competent regional journalists to put on a type of rotation with regard to presenting programming.

    Let's hope CM's political career dies the death of a thousand cuts. That will be worth the license fee for 2024 at least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,453 ✭✭✭jmcc


    If the Dail committee says she has to answer questions then she has to answer questions. Otherwise it looks like FFG is trying to save her at the expense of democracy. And the voters will remember.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,704 ✭✭✭Nermal


    The Reithian approach dates from a time when people couldn't tune out, because there were literally no other options.

    We have viable commercial broadcasters happy to show sport and soaps funded solely by advertising.

    It's completely unjustifiable to apply a levy to the whole population to fund something the free market will pay for. The idea that we'll trick people into watching highbrow programmes through scheduling is a bit laughable, to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,549 ✭✭✭yagan


    Right now voters believe there's a golden circle running rte and yet the public is the one threatened constantly with prosecution via rte ads for not funding the gravy train.

    Siun may feel she's in the right, but in an arrangement that's not transparent.

    Plus she's wasn't sacked, she flounced and this "traduce" fightback projects only privileged arrogance, a harder more entrenched tubridy tantrum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,453 ✭✭✭jmcc




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  • Registered Users Posts: 811 ✭✭✭kazamo



    “THE Department of Health's top civil servant is retiring on a package of €540,000 after securing a boost to his pension.

    But secretary general Michael Scanlan is not availing of the early retirement scheme for the public service, which ends this month.

    He is the latest in a raft of top civil servants to retire in recent months, including fellow secretary general Dermot McCarthy, who sparked controversy with his gold-plated €730,000 retirement package.”


    Civil servants get packages too.



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