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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,577 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Who edits The Currency? Oh yeah the former Deputy Chair Of RTÉ, Ian Keogh. Not saying that article is incorrect but I think you have to consider the role he played or didn't play as Deputy Chair.

    The problem isn't Mr. Hayes' remuneration, but its certainly part of it, you have to ask a few questions: -

    • Prior to him taking the role who ran the fund for RTÉ, was it done in house?
    • Was the fund was making money when he was CFO in RTÉ up to his redundancy? (why would this not continue?)
    • Is it fair that RTÉ make him redundant on a scheme he helped to create, in a role that could never be made redundant?
    • Is it fair that RTÉ then hired him to act in this role after he'd been made redundant?
    • Why did he leave the role? It seems he left in 2022, but the report suggests he involved in 2023 also when the Chair (Suin Ni R) questioned his role.
    • Who took over his role and what are they paid?



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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,031 ✭✭✭ForestFire


    But he is not managing the day to day funds of 120M, he's not down of the NASDAQ floor buy and selling shares?

    These funds are all probably run externally by Mercer, or another company, which in turn is a number of standard Bank options investment funds with different levels of Risk/return.


    He is only managing the Employee entry exit, and yearly reviews if they should change supplier, funds etc.



  • Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The fund stopped accepting new entrants in 1989.

    He got 70k a year to ensure an annual benefit statement was posted out to the members each year, and maybe make a few alterations to contributions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,092 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    They're waiting to hear back from Tony Holohan first if he wants it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,259 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    Rich that the former head of HSE, who are now admitting to how much exit payments they've been making. Should stick his little hea out of the hole and express interest in rte chair.


    There will never be anything new or even half honest done in this country while the same few weasels keep moving around, collecting large sums ofoney and pocketing more than fair pensions/ exit packages🤮

    Where is the fresh blood? The fresh honest talent that can actually run it morally and legally correctly?

    We're doomed I tell ya😁



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,262 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    All political parties are "four-square behind" RTE because a) that don't have the vision to see that traditional broadcast TV is dead and b) the main group that watch RTE are the 65+ age group, who are a significant voting block that no-one wants to upset.

    A decision on what funding model will replace the TV licence has been dragging on for a while now. And is likely to be very unpopular with the under 65s who actually have to pay for this "service" under penalty of going to prison.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    It is v clear the licence fee/TV tax situation needs to change .... it is not necessarily people having to pay it but having to pay it and having NO SAY in RTE's schedules and what they do with OUR money is the problem ....

    Sure many people are drifting away from 'traditional TV' ... people are getting Netflix, Sky, DVDs, etc. instead of watching RTE and the like ... rather than accepting this as the new normal ... which is convenient for RTE and the limited audience it caters for ... RTE should ask the question WHY are people abandoning them for these other services .... 99% the reason is because of the DIRE programmes on RTE .... the other services given people what they want to see ...

    Taking a look at present you have dire shyght like First Dates .... DWTS with Doireann Garrihy is hardly what I want to see on Sundays either .... that vile warhorse Operation Transformation needs to be rested too .... at least we are not martyred with Dragons Den so we can be thankful for small mercies there ....

    Meanwhile we have drama .... for every good one that comes around (and ends too suddenly) like Love/Hate or Kin we have innumerable poor fare like Striking Out, Finding Joy, Taken Down, Rebellion, etc. Other ones like Acceptable Risk aka Hidden Assets and The Gone may well have been interesting if there was a proper BUDGET in place ....

    The REASON for all the poor programming is simple .... money is scarce because it is squandered on the inflated salaries of Tubridy et al over the years ... no one is worth that kind of money and Pat Kenny was on 950 K a year before the banking crisis as a famous Dublinese Elvis 'lookalike' once said on his programme ....

    The people have enough of this and their exclusion from what goes on ... if we pay for something we need to have a SAY in it ... otherwise make your drivel and fund it yourself !!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,445 ✭✭✭Trampas


    Never mind if your opinion on Reid but what does the hse know about budgets or staff numbers. It be even worse under a person who has ran the hse



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭kazamo


    To be fair, I believe the fraud threshold was reached a good while ago.

    To generate credit notes to offset advertising from a main sponsor, who in turn uses the “windfall” to pay the star presenter for personal appearances who was guaranteed the money even if they didn’t happen.

    Not sure we need any more to start a fraud investigation, but this is Ireland, so maybe a signed guilty statement written in blood is needed for the authorities to consider it …..we really don’t like prosecuting white collar crime 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,577 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    re: Drama you also have to have a mix of Drama. RTÉ's obsession with "big" drama is painful, large as their are so few and large because Drama is hit and miss, when you have so few productions then expect to get one or two big hits every now and then.

    Drama is expensive to produce but RTÉ need a mix of drama, only once did they get this right in the early to mid 2000s with a range of low budget dramas. But RTÉ is now insistent that you need to pay millions for a drama like "Normal People" or "Conversations with Friends" I'd love to know how 2 straight forward dramas cost so much to produce.

    You need a mix of co-productions (high), mid-range productions and final your soap opera (but I'd argue a mix of soaps or dramas in that range not just Fair City).

    Oh and then you have comedy.

    RTÉ lobbied the government through dee forbes time for Screen Ireland to get funding for TV production, as RTÉ was continually cutting their Drama budgets.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    The only worse institution in the country than RTE is the HSE… and we’re seeing Reid’s name linked to the job. They only want lackeys so they keep the administration wage milk going…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,051 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Well irrespective of the reasons voters will know going into the next general election that all major political parties are wedded to the traditional model of 'public service broadcasting' and if they want serious change to broadcasting policy they will have to find somebody new to vote for. Specifically if they believe RTE should be funded through some form of voluntary subscription they will have to start voting for the kind of right-libertarian candidates that up to now the Irish electorate has shown no enthusiasm for...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 930 ✭✭✭csirl


    Im going to ask the obvious question:

    Why do managerial staff in RTE get paid multiples of what similar people elsewhere in the civil and public service get? And have additional perks like exit payments? And dont seem to be recruited via publicjobs/PAS etc.

    There are CEOs/SecGens, CFO equivalents, HR managers etc managing larger and more complex areas with mutiples of the RTE budget who earn lots less and get a clean bill of health from C&AG.

    Surely the easiest solution is to mirror civil service pay and terms?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,451 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Waste of public money not a key concern for the HSE either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,121 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    As the ad said "because they're worth it", well at least they think they are. RTE is a basket case, the high pay that these people get in just a symptom of that. I can bet the excuse given is that "We have to pay the high wages to attract the right people to the role" which is the same excuse given for the enormous sums paid out to Tubridy, Duffy and few other wasters with the excuse we have to pay them high wages so that they are not poached, which we all know is a big pile of BS. Basically it comes down to no oversight in RTE as to how they are spending money and justifying that spend and that is the governments fault for not doing this or taking the DG's word for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 930 ✭✭✭csirl


    From recent months we can see that they're not worth it! They're much worse at their jobs than the vast majority of lower paid equivalents.

    Who do they think will poach them? Maybe the 350k CFO will be poached by a civil service agency paying 90k for the same job?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,121 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Well the poaching was more for "the Talent" like Tubridy and his ilk. RTE constantly told us that the reason for high wages for "the Talent" was to keep them at RTE and not going elsewhere but as we have seen with Tubridy, other media where not exactly banging his door down when he was out of contract. Kinda similar for the management, they will claim that they need to pay high wages to attract the top people to the roles and it is not just RTE that are doing this but it is right across the Public Sector, remember that Robert Watt is on nearly 300k, the head of the HSE is on 400k. In some cases you wouldn't mind paying the high wages if you were getting value for money but we are just being ripped off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭kazamo


    Not sure where you get the idea that RTE managerial staff get multiples of what public servants get.

    For example, there was news of a Sec Gen getting redundancy and leaving with 400k. That is broadly in line with the RTE gravy train.

    If civil service pay and terms were mirrored, do you really expect pay costs to drop in any meaningful way but benefits would go up since the RTE DB? pension scheme closed in 1989 ?.


    As for C&AG clean bill of health. They audit 287 public bodies annually, auditing 309 billion worth of public money…….with a staff of less than 200.

    Seem superhuman to achieve so much, with relatively few numbers 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,577 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Suin Ni R has penned a 2600 word open letter criticizing the ministers hands off approach. I have to say I did think Suin was getting through much of the issues at play. Tomorrow if its Reid or Bass I think we can forget about RTÉ.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,451 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    It does appear that Siun was shocked about the interview and was genuinely upset watching it.

    Catherine Martin showed her ineptness and inexperience in her handling of the situation.

    Let's see now if Siun takes a high court case for damages. And we'll have to pay for it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 117 ✭✭Danny Drier


    Daft old lass. Why doesn’t she address why she forgot to tell Minister Martin the correct info?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,469 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Siun didn’t display much enthusiasm to me at the PAC meetings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,577 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    She does. She says she had forgotten and thought it was odd to rehash information that had already been dealt with, she then goes on to say that as soon as she remembered she made the mistake clear to the department, and she felt that the minister always went through the civil servant to rely messages rather than direct contact.

    Though its just an excuse not sure if she can really come out of it looking well.

    I don't think she came across well as she has a muted quite personality, but I'd not say she was too quite at the board table, but I could be wrong about that. But She reminds me of my mother. I love my mother but in the words of the incredible hulk "You don't want to see my mother when she's angry".


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,577 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    In saying all of this, I don't think anyone has really grasped the nettle. Much of this could have been dealt with far better than it was.

    Bakhurst is following what went before IMO, I think not only have we seen that he is incapable of removing people without exit payments but he's also made bad decision on his team.

    Deputy Director General - should never have been given as a title to anyone but particularly one of the remain executives that was on Dee Frobes team.

    Robert Shortt moving to Company Secretary following his time on the board.

    Both of these decision would have been confirmed by the board also.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,469 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Hmm ….maybe so, she certainly would not impress me as senior executive quality on the committee meetings.

    Im probably way wrong but one has to go by what is put before you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,156 ✭✭✭yagan


    Ultimately Siun resigned herself, she was not sacked.

    Very Boris Johnson waffle out of her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,577 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    True Minister Martin is one of the best Minister put in charge of RTÉ since Pat Rabbitte!


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Madeoface


    I wonder if Dee Forbes is paying her licence.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85 ✭✭Bob Marley Park


    If she was dismissed, will she be handing back any golden handshake?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,791 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Everyone knows now that Martin was not prepared to grasp the nettle in RTE. The chair was even surprised at how hands off she was. How is Martin still minister?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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