Ni-Oh (PS4)

bugs · 08-02-2017 3:21pm

nix wrote: »

Yeah Argos yoyo prices, it will probably be less in a week or two, they also havent got it in stock anywhere according to the website, or just havent updated the site.

Stock was there early this morning but some stores had 2, most had 1. Hopefully a restock happens soon enough as there are only a few copies across all stores now.

Andrew76 · 08-02-2017 6:51pm

bugs wrote: »

Stock was there early this morning but some stores had 2, most had 1. Hopefully a restock happens soon enough as there are only a few copies across all stores now.

Yeah pretty slim pickings. Just happened to check my local Argos there and it had one back in stock. Will pick it up in the morning.

nix · 08-02-2017 6:52pm

I ended up trading in arkham knight and the evil within, they were just collecting dust and neither good enough for a replay. I got it in smyths for €47 with the trade in

RasTa · 08-02-2017 7:09pm

nix wrote: »

I ended up trading in arkham knight and the evil within, they were just collecting dust and neither good enough for a replay. I got it in smyths for €47 with the trade in

Would have being €35 with CeX and Argos

nix · 08-02-2017 8:02pm

RasTa wrote: »

Would have being €35 with CeX and Argos

Cex don't have Nioh yet and when they do they will charge 65-70 and argos don't do trade ins

RasTa · 09-02-2017 12:31am

nix wrote: »

Cex don't have Nioh yet and when they do they will charge 65-70 and argos don't do trade ins

That's the trading in for cash with CeX and buying the game in Argos

nix · 09-02-2017 2:42am

RasTa wrote: »

That's the trading in for cash with CeX and buying the game in Argos

I didnt think of that on this occasion, but Argos wont have it for awhile, next week at the earliest i predict :pac:

Id normally buy a game when it gets cheaper, but this is one of the games i was actually very eager to play, so didnt wanna wait..

Big fan of the soulsborne series :P

johnny_ultimate · 09-02-2017 6:44am

Only played through the ship boss, but liking it so far. Feels a little more forgiving than the original demo - only took two tries to kill that first proper boss, which is well quite a change from the immense frustration in the demo. Action mode is a great idea that more games of this sort on console should embrace.

Do think the game has a bit of a loot problem. Just feels like you're given an endless stream of stuff to the point where it loses value and leads to some slightly irritating micromanaging (the inventory size at least is generous). Of course it has improved since the original alpha, thanks to the absolutely right choice to remove weapon degradation. But its embrace of a more Diablo-esque loot model isn't quite as satisfying as some of its genre-mates where weapons in particular feel like a rarer treat.

Pickpocket · 09-02-2017 7:49am

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Only played through the ship boss, but liking it so far. Feels a little more forgiving than the original demo - only took two tries to kill that first proper boss, which is well quite a change from the immense frustration in the demo. Action mode is a great idea that more games of this sort on console should embrace.

Do think the game has a bit of a loot problem. Just feels like you're given an endless stream of stuff to the point where it loses value and leads to some slightly irritating micromanaging (the inventory size at least is generous). Of course it has improved since the original alpha, thanks to the absolutely right choice to remove weapon degradation. But its embrace of a more Diablo-esque loot model isn't quite as satisfying as some of its genre-mates where weapons in particular feel like a rarer treat.

Yeah the loot is a problem. There's multiple variations of the same items in the first area alone. It's going to be even more of an issue if the game expects you to constantly switch armour and weapons to keep up with the difficulty curve.

The combat is where the game really shines. All of the reviews mentioned Dark Souls specifically but for me it's far closer to Bloodborne in terms of speed and taking positional advantage. The ki/stamina bar is much more exacting though and so I'm looking forward to earning the various perks that take the edge of it somewhat.

nix · 09-02-2017 8:52am

Yeah i just keep on top of making offerings with my items/weapons, but i can see it being an issue later on, they should implement an one button option to do it all on items you havent "locked" perhaps?

I still havent found the first boss yet, got to a burning wood shack area, had a tough go at some fat demons, the dial wielding acrobatic one gave me a hard time. Is there a certain area ive to hit the big demons to stun them? or any mobs for that matter or do i just need to mince them as fast as possible after dodging their attacks? Does it have to be a hard attack or can quick ones stun them to? is it about getting them when their stamina bar is lowest so they get exhausted?

Sorry i never played the demo :P

Oh and what weapons did everybody go with?

I went full SAMURAI and chose the katana and then the spear for the reach, loving the katana, didnt use the spear much as it didnt seem to have the long reach i was hoping it to have, ill give it another try later.

heebusjeebus · 09-02-2017 9:00am

I'm a fair bit through the second proper mission. Lots of ledges and have died more to falling than to enemies!
My main weapon is the dual katanas. Look like a real badass when running with them out! My secondary is the Kusarigama which are great for the yokai strangely.
My main gripe is that there are so many systems at play. I've not got my head around them all but that should ease with time.
I'm dissembling any weapon I don't need for now but I don't yet know what to do with the parts.

sweetie · 09-02-2017 10:58am

Â£37.50 on boomerang with a few points, didn't use PM as the last few things I ordered were posted free to ROI but that's closed to new customers.

Andrew76 · 09-02-2017 3:11pm

Got my copy from Argos this morning so looking forward to getting stuck in tonight. Only played the Last Trial demo and really liked.

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Do think the game has a bit of a loot problem. Just feels like you're given an endless stream of stuff to the point where it loses value and leads to some slightly irritating micromanaging (the inventory size at least is generous). Of course it has improved since the original alpha, thanks to the absolutely right choice to remove weapon degradation. But its embrace of a more Diablo-esque loot model isn't quite as satisfying as some of its genre-mates where weapons in particular feel like a rarer treat.

Watched a decent YT video and the chap mentioned that you can sell unwanted weapons/armour to the blacksmith for gold. You can also increase the level of either by forging a high level item with it (as in you have a lower level item with stats you don't want to lose) and also re-roll item stats. Sounds like there's quite a bit of depth to the game and not just in the number of items it throws at you. :cool:

nix · 09-02-2017 3:41pm

Andrew76 wrote: »

Got my copy from Argos this morning

What argos did you find it in?

I checked what seemed like every store on their site and all out of stock

Andrew76 · 09-02-2017 6:27pm

nix wrote: »

What argos did you find it in?

I checked what seemed like every store on their site and all out of stock

Arklow, 1 copy came back into stock about 5:30pm yesterday. Yeah bugger all stock about it seems.

Xenji · 09-02-2017 6:51pm

Argos had similar issues with RE:7 as well, just got my copy there, refreshing to have just a 88mb patch to download.

Andrew76 · 09-02-2017 7:01pm

Xenji wrote: »

...refreshing to have just a 88mb patch to download.

I thought the same - day one patch that's under a gig - nice!

Gunmonkey · 10-02-2017 12:08am

Well checked the Argos stock this morning and most stores only had about 2 or 3 copies, and all were gone by about 2pm (except that 1 lone copy in Portlaoise).

Ah well, had some spare credit on PSN so worked out about the same I would have paid for physical.

Andrew76 · 10-02-2017 1:55am

I have a spare Argos reservation for Liffey Valley if anyone needs it, just fire me a PM. Would need to be collected before 9pm on the 10th.

Played a couple of hours of it tonight and finding it great fun so far. The combat is fantastic, tough but fair.

Sephiroth_dude · 10-02-2017 2:01am

Id love too give this a go but i suck at the souls games

Andrew76 · 10-02-2017 10:55am

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

Id love too give this a go but i suck at the souls games

So far I'm finding it more forgiving than Dark Souls, the combat is closer to Bloodborne (and Ninja Gaiden obviously), but it's more enjoyable than both imo - the faster combat and ki pulse mechanic, the environment and the level design. It's really good.

Mainly using a kusarigama at the minute, very cool weapon.

2smiggy · 10-02-2017 4:26pm

well my order from amazon never came today, pity, was looking forward to playing it tonight !!

Xenji · 10-02-2017 5:56pm

2smiggy wrote: »

well my order from amazon never came today, pity, was looking forward to playing it tonight !!

I hope you did not Asendia as the carrier.

sticker · 10-02-2017 8:09pm

Hi All,

I'm a HUGE Bloodbourne / Souls Junkie, so I was delighted to hear of a simular game in Nioh coming out. Then came the reviews and all extremely good.

On this basis, I bought the digital copy today and after an hour of playing, I'm utterly gutted.

I feel the graphics are on a par with the Xbox360 (I have it set to cinema mode) - To put DS3 beside it is night and day different.

Then comes the controls, the faster pace was welcome but I getting some serious guttering - see my video below, the first half was simply pushing forward to move with analogue. The 2nd half of video was hold down sprint (X) - All over the place.

Am I missing something profound here? I understand I've a bit to go into the game but my first impression is extremely poor.

I was open to a great game but left very disappointed.

What are your thoughts? I've a feeling I'm on my own but Its just an honest first impression.

Video on movement -

https://youtu.be/RZtTVn6VrEA

nix · 10-02-2017 10:12pm

I just see you spamming the run button for the majority of the video.. thats it

The graphics are bloody amazing if you ask me

SkinnyBuddha · 10-02-2017 10:16pm

not sure what you're doing in that clip sticker but nioh doesn't play like that for me.

sticker · 10-02-2017 10:40pm

nix wrote: »

I just see you spamming the run button for the majority of the video.. thats it

The graphics are bloody amazing if you ask me

How do you keep a run in place without holding down the run button?

If I'm making a dumb mistake, that's fine but let me know! How do you sustain a run in Nioh?

Thanks

SkinnyBuddha · 10-02-2017 10:45pm

sticker wrote: »

How do you keep a run in place without holding down the run button?

If I'm making a dumb mistake, that's fine but let me know! How do you sustain a run in Nioh?

Thanks

yeah you hold down x and you run...still don't see the stop/start you have in the clip though.Odd.

nix · 10-02-2017 10:58pm

Yeah you gotta hold the run button down, same as bloodborne and souls

What way are people equipping their runes? im currently keep the epic ones equipped as more stats, but their defense multiplier is alot lower compared to other ones i have, is the defense multiplier a better priority?

Pickpocket · 10-02-2017 11:08pm

sticker wrote: »

Hi All,

I'm a HUGE Bloodbourne / Souls Junkie, so I was delighted to hear of a simular game in Nioh coming out. Then came the reviews and all extremely good.

On this basis, I bought the digital copy today and after an hour of playing, I'm utterly gutted.

I feel the graphics are on a par with the Xbox360 (I have it set to cinema mode) - To put DS3 beside it is night and day different.

Then comes the controls, the faster pace was welcome but I getting some serious guttering - see my video below, the first half was simply pushing forward to move with analogue. The 2nd half of video was hold down sprint (X) - All over the place.

Am I missing something profound here? I understand I've a bit to go into the game but my first impression is extremely poor.

I was open to a great game but left very disappointed.

What are your thoughts? I've a feeling I'm on my own but Its just an honest first impression.

Video on movement -

https://youtu.be/RZtTVn6VrEA

I'm not sure what that video is trying to establish but I'm not experiencing movement like that and neither is anyone else (if the reviews and streams are anything to go by).

The game looks fantastic but it's not at its best in the opening hour so perhaps stick with it. But either way you're talking out of your hat comparing it to a 360 game. Okay, it doesn't look as good as DS3 but it's got a better framerate and the combat is vastly more sophisticated. Pros and cons to each game.

This is clearly a 'Souls-like' but people need to get passed that because Nioh is its own thing. It's not perfect, not even close. But it has a lot to offer.

sticker · 10-02-2017 11:47pm

Pickpocket wrote: »

I'm not sure what that video is trying to establish but I'm not experiencing movement like that and neither is anyone else (if the reviews and streams are anything to go by).

The game looks fantastic but it's not at its best in the opening hour so perhaps stick with it. But either way you're talking out of your hat comparing it to a 360 game. Okay, it doesn't look as good as DS3 but it's got a better framerate and the combat is vastly more sophisticated. Pros and cons to each game.

This is clearly a 'Souls-like' but people need to get passed that because Nioh is its own thing. It's not perfect, not even close. But it has a lot to offer.

I'd be the happiest guy in the room to say I loved this game. It's got everything I adore in a game.. I'm a seasoned player at all souls and Bloodbourne games but I was very disappointed in my first hour. I did not have crazy high expectations also. I'll give it another spin tomorrow. I hope it clicks. Maybe my controller is acting the bollox but that footage is my moving analogue and holding run...

Pickpocket · 10-02-2017 11:57pm

sticker wrote: »

I'd be the happiest guy in the room to say I loved this game. It's got everything I adore in a game.. I'm a seasoned player at all souls and Bloodbourne games but I was very disappointed in my first hour. I did not have crazy high expectations also. I'll give it another spin tomorrow. I hope it clicks. Maybe my controller is acting the bollox but that footage is my moving analogue and holding run...

Are you holding X to run in that video?

johnny_ultimate · 10-02-2017 11:59pm

That is absolutely not what the game is meant to play like. The controls are smooth and consistent, and the game plays very well indeed by pretty much any objective measure. Very possibly a controller issue.

That said, I would sympathise with the suggestion that the game is visually a tad underwhelming. Not bad by any stretch and there's some nice sights & design flourishes dotted about, but it doesn't look amazing either. For all the talk about the Fromsoft games' mechanical depth and difficulty level, it's always been the peerless artistry in storytelling and visual/audio design that allows the games to transcend merely being really good action-RPGs. That's the difference I've found lacking in many efforts to emulate the series' strengths.

However, Nioh is its own thing even if it actively courts such comparisons with the Souls games. To a certain degree, it embraces the sort of design philosophy seen in the likes of Team Ninja's own classics and meshes that with a few of the general ideas popularised by the Souls series (and a handful of directly copied mechanics). If it doesn't have that extraordinary 'something' the Souls games have, it is a damn fine action game on its own terms. And also some graphical allowances should be made given its long gestation period - very possible some of its assets were created quite a few years ago now. I'm also willing to forgive some visual 'downgrading' because action mode comprehensively trumps mere resolution.

Xenji · 11-02-2017 1:13am

sticker wrote: »

I'd be the happiest guy in the room to say I loved this game. It's got everything I adore in a game.. I'm a seasoned player at all souls and Bloodbourne games but I was very disappointed in my first hour. I did not have crazy high expectations also. I'll give it another spin tomorrow. I hope it clicks. Maybe my controller is acting the bollox but that footage is my moving analogue and holding run...

Throw that aside, I am not sure if you have played any of the Onimusha or Ninja Gaiden games, but Nioh is far more akin in theme and gameplay to those, the Souls comparison is far more cosmetic, but it does feature a few borrowed concepts.

sticker · 11-02-2017 7:50am

Thanks all for the replies. Gonna give it another spin today and hope she clicks...

sticker · 11-02-2017 8:05am

Not just me then... but no fix as yet. Might be the controller. This might explain the terrible first impression! But I'm sticking to my guns on the aesthetics of the game... I heard it's on a par with Bloodbourne (IGN) - not a kneeling prayer...

Anyway no other games giving me issues so might need a rare bug..

Link to error:

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/Nioh/comments/4gunqu/anyone_else_having_issues_with_controls_or_is_it/

Pickpocket · 11-02-2017 8:15am

sticker wrote: »

I'm sticking to my guns on the aesthetics of the game... I heard it's on a par with Bloodbourne (IGN)

Where was that said? It's not in their written review. I don't doubt you. It's just a very generous comparison and I'd love to know the context.

sticker · 11-02-2017 9:23am

Pickpocket wrote: »

Where was that said? It's not in their written review. I don't doubt you. It's just a very generous comparison and I'd love to know the context.

I course swear it was said in the recent plays live. She definitely said also it was as good looking as DS3.

Anyway... regardless of the aesthetics, I'm hopeful my initial bad impression might be thwarted by a controller fix and some more play.

sweetie · 11-02-2017 10:55am

sticker wrote:

Anyway no other games giving me issues so might need a rare bug..

I've had weird controller issues a few times with Bloodborne, as mentioned by someone else on that link you posted.

nix · 11-02-2017 11:02am

I think it looks great, it has to mesh a larger colour palette than the comparisons. the dungeons/caves are pretty meh alright, but the outdoor areas are where it shines. And i feel pretty immersed in them, especially the one where its raining heavy and you get jumped by ninjas. the rain making it alot harder to track the fast moving ninjas just added to the horror of the situation.

I just got to a snow level tonight before i logged and think im in for a treat

sticker · 11-02-2017 12:22pm

sweetie wrote: »

I've had weird controller issues a few times with Bloodborne, as mentioned by someone else on that link you posted.

How did you resolve the controller issue with Bloodbourne?

I wonder if I'm due a replacement controller? I've only had it a couple of years but plenty of mileage clocked!

Anyone know of the cheapest spot to pickup?

I see a guy on adverts advertising repairs... Might be an option too..

Rob2D · 11-02-2017 2:48pm

Finally got a good go at this last night.

WOW, they really decreased the difficulty A LOT. I noticed a few enemies were completely removed from the first mission. And that first boss was a walk in the park.

Not happy with that kind of pandering TBH.

Great game overall though, hopefully it keeps up.

Edit:
Damn, I didn't realise you don't run out of breath anymore. FFS! Now idiots can just square spam without consequence.

sweetie · 11-02-2017 4:35pm

sticker wrote:

How did you resolve the controller issue with Bloodbourne?

I only noticed it a few times

sticker · 11-02-2017 5:11pm

Looking here it might be a controller on the way out... this game must be very sensitive as all other games work fine.

https://www.google.ie/...ne_else_in_the_demo/

Andrew76 · 11-02-2017 7:39pm

nix wrote: »

I think it looks great, it has to mesh a larger colour palette than the comparisons. the dungeons/caves are pretty meh alright, but the outdoor areas are where it shines. And i feel pretty immersed in them, especially the one where its raining heavy and you get jumped by ninjas. the rain making it alot harder to track the fast moving ninjas just added to the horror of the situation.

I just got to a snow level tonight before i logged and think im in for a treat

Snow? Nice!

I agree, I think it's a great looking game. Bloodborne was great too of course but not without it's flaws - crappy loading times and silly immersion breaking rag-doll corpses are two examples where it's weaker.

Rob2D wrote: »

Finally got a good go at this last night.

WOW, they really decreased the difficulty A LOT. I noticed a few enemies were completely removed from the first mission. And that first boss was a walk in the park.

Not happy with that kind of pandering TBH.

Great game overall though, hopefully it keeps up.

Edit:
Damn, I didn't realise you don't run out of breath anymore. FFS! Now idiots can just square spam without consequence.

The first boss being the one

in the ship

? Must've took me close to 10 tries before I got him. Found his first phase the most awkward.

Took my time with that level, really enjoying the combat and it makes farming for amrita a joy. Think I had about 15 samurai points before I noticed the menu where I could spend them.

:pac:

A little bit into the cave mission at the minute and only lvl26 I think. Will give it another blast tonight before UFC208.

Grahamer666 · 11-02-2017 11:18pm

Anyone playing this in 4K? I'm preferring the 60fps more I think.

ShaneU · 12-02-2017 12:28am

Can a mod change the title of this thread, went looking for a demo and there's none.

Retr0gamer · 12-02-2017 12:50am

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

That is absolutely not what the game is meant to play like. The controls are smooth and consistent, and the game plays very well indeed by pretty much any objective measure. Very possibly a controller issue.

That said, I would sympathise with the suggestion that the game is visually a tad underwhelming. Not bad by any stretch and there's some nice sights & design flourishes dotted about, but it doesn't look amazing either. For all the talk about the Fromsoft games' mechanical depth and difficulty level, it's always been the peerless artistry in storytelling and visual/audio design that allows the games to transcend merely being really good action-RPGs. That's the difference I've found lacking in many efforts to emulate the series' strengths.

However, Nioh is its own thing even if it actively courts such comparisons with the Souls games. To a certain degree, it embraces the sort of design philosophy seen in the likes of Team Ninja's own classics and meshes that with a few of the general ideas popularised by the Souls series (and a handful of directly copied mechanics). If it doesn't have that extraordinary 'something' the Souls games have, it is a damn fine action game on its own terms. And also some graphical allowances should be made given its long gestation period - very possible some of its assets were created quite a few years ago now. I'm also willing to forgive some visual 'downgrading' because action mode comprehensively trumps mere resolution.

I'd take Ni-oh's visual downgrade to give consistent 60 FPS over bloodborne's frame drops and frame pacing issues.

sticker · 12-02-2017 11:16am

Grahamer666 wrote: »

Anyone playing this in 4K? I'm preferring the 60fps more I think.

Can you switch modes again in-game? I dont see an option after I've chosen cinema mode...

DinoRex · 12-02-2017 5:26pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I'd take Ni-oh's visual downgrade to give consistent 60 FPS over bloodborne's frame drops and frame pacing issues.

Not to mention the speed it loads the game in at. When Bloodborne came out it would take close to a minute to get back in after you died.

Ni-Oh (PS4)

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