2018 Leaf

unkel · 24-05-2019 8:40am

Stealthirl wrote: »

I was thinking about changing in 6-8 months for a L40 SVE/Tekna so have been keeping an eye on pricing.

You should be able to get a far better EV for your money near enough then, like VW ID. Or maybe a second hand L40? Although it looks like all EVs will continue to have very low depreciation / will hold their value extremely well because of demand > supply

slave1 · 24-05-2019 9:22am

unkel wrote: »

You should be able to get a far better EV for your money near enough then, like VW ID. Or maybe a second hand L40? Although it looks like all EVs will continue to have very low depreciation / will hold their value extremely well because of demand > supply

2nd L40 in the UK a good £2k higher than they were a few months back, there's no value to be got from a L40 either new here or UK import, they are not worth the price.

unkel · 24-05-2019 9:29am

Yep, UK second hand EV prices have shot up, it's unreal. Cheapest second hand Ioniq last time I looked on auto trader was GBP23k :eek:

Old diesel · 24-05-2019 9:39am

The 35 k cars are down as 192 on carzone.

Covered therefore by the price increase

imo.

So extra money for the 192.

I'm assuming the Nissan list price is the old price..

Dare I mention *brexit* when the cars are built in UK.

Granted the WTO 10 percent tariff isn't going to kick in for no deal until 1st November.

But by hiking the price now Nissan have an extra margin on all cars exported pre 1st November

24-05-2019 10:42am

You'd think Nissan would like to sell as many cars as possible between now and 1st November and had some price incentives. And capitalize on the delivery shortages of the other makes.

The L40 turned out be more competive than expected now that the rapidgate slowdown has been mitigated. The car has pretty good range even on the motorway expecially in warm weather, and the other 40ish kW and up cars also charge pretty slowly active cooling or not. The biggest issues for Nissan now is the lack of CCS before ESB gets the new chargers going.

sk8board · 24-05-2019 10:56am

What’s rare is valuable.

With things like a 1 year waiting list for the Niro (which, from reviews, appears to be top of the EV family car pile before it even gets here), it’s easy to see why EVs on garage floors are trading over sticker.

with just 4-5 viable options, and so many people looking, it’s little wonder the prices are up.

Personally I wouldn't wait a year for an EV that might be superseded on range and tech before I even get it, that’s just me.
I paid €415 last year to extend the 3 year manufacturer comprehensive warranty on my bmw and will do it again this July.
If you don’t really need to change, ‘wait and see’ is the best value in the market right now imho

KCross · 24-05-2019 11:55am

sk8board wrote: »

Personally I wouldn't wait a year for an EV that might be superseded on range and tech before I even get it, that’s just me.

You'll be forever waiting then, because EV's are going to be incrementally improving for many many years. I'd say its almost certain there will be a battery breakthrough in the next decade. How long that will take to filter down to affordable cars is another guess.

sk8board wrote: »

If you don’t really need to change, ‘wait and see’ is the best value in the market right now imho

The risk there is that by the time you move, the grants will be rolling back.

If a BEV available today suits you, buy it, would be my opinion.
If they dont suit you, then wait and cross your fingers that one is available before the grants roll back.

creedp · 24-05-2019 1:08pm

KCross wrote: »

You'll be forever waiting then, because EV's are going to be incrementally improving for many many years. I'd say its almost certain there will be a battery breakthrough in the next decade. How long that will take to filter down to affordable cars is another guess.

The risk there is that by the time you move, the grants will be rolling back.

If a BEV available today suits you, buy it, would be my opinion.
If they dont suit you, then wait and cross your fingers that one is available before the grants roll back.

If the grants go the pretax price will reduce as no one in their right mind would pay the current pretax price - €50k for a Kona!

unkel · 24-05-2019 1:16pm

creedp wrote: »

If the grants go the pretax price will reduce as no one in their right mind would pay the current pretax price - €50k for a Kona!

It's staggering that so many people paid the guts of €40k for one, in most EU countries the car sold out within weeks with a one year waiting list :eek:

creedp · 24-05-2019 2:31pm

unkel wrote: »

It's staggering that so many people paid the guts of €40k for one, in most EU countries the car sold out within weeks with a one year waiting list :eek:

Some people will pay a premium to be an early adopter but the majority will be a little bit more circumspect about shelling out that kind of cash for what is a pretty compact car

Mickeroo · 24-05-2019 2:36pm

creedp wrote: »

If the grants go the pretax price will reduce as no one in their right mind would pay the current pretax price - €50k for a Kona!

Guaranteed. The car companies see the grants as free money on top of the on the road price not a discount to the customer.

Mike9832 · 24-05-2019 4:35pm

Mickeroo wrote: »

creedp wrote: »

If the grants go the pretax price will reduce as no one in their right mind would pay the current pretax price - €50k for a Kona!

Guaranteed. The car companies see the grants as free money on top of the on the road price not a discount to the customer.

Of course

Its a terrible system

Should be no grant or at least a sliding scale one ie under €25,000 get €10,000, under €35,000 gets €5000 etc

Besides the battery about €5000 max for a Leaf, everything else is cheap to produce

Electric motor for a Leaf is much cheaper than a diesel engine etc

Manufacturers just taking the piss

Skoda have the eCitigo with same size battery as Leaf for €16,000 after grant arriving soon

Cheapskates buying a Leaf for cheap running costs willl have been fleeced paying over €30, 000 for one and the Kona lol ðŸ˜‚

Salesman who let me test drive the Kona said you'd have to be off your head to pay €39,200 for one, he couldn't believe people were buying them

Shefwedfan · 24-05-2019 7:24pm

Mike9832 wrote: »

Of course

Its a terrible system

Should be no grant or at least a sliding scale one ie under €25,000 get €10,000, under €35,000 gets €5000 etc

Besides the battery about €5000 max for a Leaf, everything else is cheap to produce

Electric motor for a Leaf is much cheaper than a diesel engine etc

Manufacturers just taking the piss

Skoda have the eCitigo with same size battery as Leaf for €16,000 after grant arriving soon

Cheapskates buying a Leaf for cheap running costs willl have been fleeced paying over €30, 000 for one and the Kona lol ðŸ˜‚

Salesman who let me test drive the Kona said you'd have to be off your head to pay €39,200 for one, he couldn't believe people were buying them

You keep posting the same stuff, every thread.....

Please explain how you know the price of batteries?

Why exactly would a salesman tell you the car is overpriced? It’s his job to sell the car....not to tell the customer not to buy

Old diesel · 24-05-2019 7:35pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Mike9832 wrote: »

Of course

Its a terrible system

Should be no grant or at least a sliding scale one ie under €25,000 get €10,000, under €35,000 gets €5000 etc

Besides the battery about €5000 max for a Leaf, everything else is cheap to produce

Electric motor for a Leaf is much cheaper than a diesel engine etc

Manufacturers just taking the piss

Skoda have the eCitigo with same size battery as Leaf for €16,000 after grant arriving soon

Cheapskates buying a Leaf for cheap running costs willl have been fleeced paying over €30, 000 for one and the Kona lol ðŸ˜‚

Salesman who let me test drive the Kona said you'd have to be off your head to pay €39,200 for one, he couldn't believe people were buying them

You keep posting the same stuff, every thread.....

Please explain how you know the price of batteries?

Why exactly would a salesman tell you the car is overpriced? It’s his job to sell the car....not to tell the customer not to buy

Salesman trying to suggest a different car at the time would be a possible way of a salesman saying a Kona EV is overpriced.

It's his job to sell A car not necessarily the one you originally asked about.

liamog · 24-05-2019 7:57pm

Old diesel wrote: »

Salesman trying to suggest a different car at the time would be a possible way of a salesman saying a Kona EV is overpriced.

It's his job to sell A car not necessarily the one you originally asked about.

Isn't the salesmans job to sell the one with the most commission? EVs are in such high demand there is probably no incentives at all.

Shefwedfan · 24-05-2019 9:09pm

Old diesel wrote: »

Salesman trying to suggest a different car at the time would be a possible way of a salesman saying a Kona EV is overpriced.

It's his job to sell A car not necessarily the one you originally asked about.

im more interested in this incredible knowledge of battery costs etc.....

Mike9832 · 24-05-2019 10:53pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Old diesel wrote: »

Salesman trying to suggest a different car at the time would be a possible way of a salesman saying a Kona EV is overpriced.

It's his job to sell A car not necessarily the one you originally asked about.

im more interested in this incredible knowledge of battery costs etc.....

Its common knowledge prices are near €100kWh for autogiants

Shefwedfan · 24-05-2019 11:04pm

Mike9832 wrote: »

Its common knowledge prices are near €100kWh for autogiants

Source? I only ask as you seem to post on every single thread about this

Mike9832 · 24-05-2019 11:40pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Mike9832 wrote: »

Its common knowledge prices are near €100kWh for autogiants

Source? I only ask as you seem to post on every single thread about this

2 years ago Audi claimed

https://www.google.com/amp/s/insideevs.com/news/333577/audi-claims-ev-battery-costs-of-around-100-kwh-112-kwh/amp/

Envision who make Leaf batteries are claiming 50 per kWh in 2025

https://pushevs.com/2019/05/07/envision-aesc-to-release-ncm-811-battery-cells-next-year/

Mike9832 · 24-05-2019 11:47pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Mike9832 wrote: »

Of course

Its a terrible system

Should be no grant or at least a sliding scale one ie under €25,000 get €10,000, under €35,000 gets €5000 etc

Besides the battery about €5000 max for a Leaf, everything else is cheap to produce

Electric motor for a Leaf is much cheaper than a diesel engine etc

Manufacturers just taking the piss

Skoda have the eCitigo with same size battery as Leaf for €16,000 after grant arriving soon

Cheapskates buying a Leaf for cheap running costs willl have been fleeced paying over €30, 000 for one and the Kona lol ðŸ˜‚

Salesman who let me test drive the Kona said you'd have to be off your head to pay €39,200 for one, he couldn't believe people were buying them

Why exactly would a salesman tell you the car is overpriced? It’s his job to sell the car....not to tell the customer not to buy

He knew I had know interest in paying €40,000 for one and just gave his honest opinion on them being way overpriced, which was fair enough

He did say they all love taking it out for a spin, acceleration was fierce and they were the future once price down

Shefwedfan · 24-05-2019 11:52pm

Mike9832 wrote: »

2 years ago Audi claimed

https://www.google.com/amp/s/insideevs.com/news/333577/audi-claims-ev-battery-costs-of-around-100-kwh-112-kwh/amp/

Envision who make Leaf batteries are claiming 50 per kWh in 2025

https://pushevs.com/2019/05/07/envision-aesc-to-release-ncm-811-battery-cells-next-year/

You said it was common knowledge but post two of the most random articles I’ve seen?

Proper source?

Mike9832 · 25-05-2019 12:36am

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Mike9832 wrote: »

2 years ago Audi claimed

https://www.google.com/amp/s/insideevs.com/news/333577/audi-claims-ev-battery-costs-of-around-100-kwh-112-kwh/amp/

Envision who make Leaf batteries are claiming 50 per kWh in 2025

https://pushevs.com/2019/05/07/envision-aesc-to-release-ncm-811-battery-cells-next-year/

You said it was common knowledge but post two of the most random articles I’ve seen?

Proper source?

The pic is from VW and envision cost is from CEOs mouth

Do you want a receipt or something?

liamog · 25-05-2019 1:33am

That's a target projection, BNEF pegged pack prices at $176/kWh for 2018 with projections. If the numbers hold it means a 2019 battery pack is around $140/kWh and around $110/kwh in 2020.

Mike9832 · 25-05-2019 1:53am

liamog wrote: »

That's a target projection, BNEF pegged pack prices at $176/kWh for 2018 with projections. If the numbers hold it means a 2019 battery pack is around $140/kWh and around $110/kwh in 2020.

For plebs maybe true

The likes of VW it will be much less

GM were paying 145/kWh in 2016 for the Bolt

That tells you what the giants pay

unkel · 25-05-2019 2:07am

There just isn't anywhere near enough battery production capacity worldwide to bring costs down enough. And why would a manufacturer command less money than someone is willing to pay?

Since sometime last year the whole world knows all cars will be EV soon

demand>supply

so prices go up

The cheapest Ioniq EV (from 2017) is GBP23k on autotrader.uk, the biggest site in the UK. That is ridiculous money. I paid less than that for my Ioniq on the road with metallic paint brand new well over 2 years ago.

I have looked at BMW i3 too. A bit over a year ago you could sometimes pick one up at around GBP10k. Now the cheapest one is GBP14k. Mad!

Shefwedfan · 25-05-2019 9:29am

Mike9832 wrote: »

For plebs maybe true

The likes of VW it will be much less

GM were paying 145/kWh in 2016 for the Bolt

That tells you what the giants pay

Based on what? Are you part of the procurement for VW ? GM?
Every thread your posting the same stuff, the links above are rubbish and you know it. Vague projections. Also the Audi link is not the CEO

Projections are exactly that, they might or might not happen....it’s clear the reduction in the cost of batteries has not happened. Plus providers are buying from the safe trade so that means the cheapest stuff is not available

So again, apart from vague projection link, where are you getting this information?

It should be easy to find as it’s common knowledge

Soarer · 25-05-2019 10:54am

All I (and the dog in the street) know is Nissan use Tesco batteries.

ethernet · 25-05-2019 1:09pm

Soarer wrote: »

All I (and the dog in the street) know is Nissan use Tesco batteries.

So Tesco has a holding in AESC now? News to me

sk8board · 25-05-2019 4:22pm

KCross wrote: »

You'll be forever waiting then, because EV's are going to be incrementally improving for many many years. I'd say its almost certain there will be a battery breakthrough in the next decade. How long that will take to filter down to affordable cars is another guess.

The risk there is that by the time you move, the grants will be rolling back.

If a BEV available today suits you, buy it, would be my opinion.
If they dont suit you, then wait and cross your fingers that one is available before the grants roll back.

Well let’s face it, I won’t be waiting ‘forever’, but I accept your point. The cars are iterating at a huge pace though - the niro is better already than the Kona and the leaf gen3 will be better than the niro, and the vw iD will be better again, and the model 3 will be better than them all.

Re the grants, I think it’s a very short sighted way to spend so much money on changing a car, purely for its new tech. “spend €50k on a small suv Hyundai Kona and we’ll give you €10k in grants” .... I wouldn’t pay the €40k for a Kona if there was another €10k in the glovebox, EV or not. The value offering is awful.

As for buying an EV today that suits my needs - I’m not sure there are many new options that I can simply buy and drive away today, or even in the next month.

It’s that rarity that’s driving the prices of new and residuals, not their ability.

The next models from the next batch of manufacturers will be markedly better, we all know that.

It’s not the same as the new c class merc being 5% better than the outgoing one. This is a whole new market.

DeanH544 · 25-05-2019 6:33pm

Not sure if anyone here might need it as I imagine most have it already, but, I have one of the bluetooth OBD scanners here laying around now. Decided not to go for the Leaf again. So if anyone wants it they're more than welcome to it as I have no use for it. Works perfectly with the leaf spy app (for the one time I got to use it). Based in Kilcock, North Kildare. Just to clarify - for free of course.

Silent Running · 25-05-2019 7:29pm

sk8board wrote: »

Well let’s face it, I won’t be waiting ‘forever’, but I accept your point. The cars are iterating at a huge pace though - the niro is better already than the Kona and the leaf gen3 will be better than the niro, and the vw iD will be better again, and the model 3 will be better than them all.

Re the grants, I think it’s a very short sighted way to spend so much money on changing a car, purely for its new tech. “spend €50k on a small suv Hyundai Kona and we’ll give you €10k in grants” .... I wouldn’t pay the €40k for a Kona if there was another €10k in the glovebox, EV or not. The value offering is awful.

As for buying an EV today that suits my needs - I’m not sure there are many new options that I can simply buy and drive away today, or even in the next month.

It’s that rarity that’s driving the prices of new and residuals, not their ability.

The next models from the next batch of manufacturers will be markedly better, we all know that.

It’s not the same as the new c class merc being 5% better than the outgoing one. This is a whole new market.

I highly doubt it. Smaller battery, no liquid cooling. Chademo.

Soarer · 25-05-2019 10:17pm

DeanH544 wrote: »

Not sure if anyone here might need it as I imagine most have it already, but, I have one of the bluetooth OBD scanners here laying around now. Decided not to go for the Leaf again. So if anyone wants it they're more than welcome to it as I have no use for it. Works perfectly with the leaf spy app (for the one time I got to use it). Based in Kilcock, North Kildare. Just to clarify - for free of course.

Fair play.

Maybe donate it to Boards for potential owners to borrow when viewing Leafs?

Superfoods · 08-06-2019 2:31pm

I am wondering...

I was looking at SV Premium, but if I went SV. Do they have many differences between the spec? the Nissan website is awful.

From what I can see
Round view monitor - don't need
intelligent driver alert? not sure what this is
Moving object - don't need
Front & Rear parking sensor - the base has reverse camera so can probably get away with that

Apart from that are they the same?

Soarer · 08-06-2019 5:28pm

Superfoods wrote: »

I am wondering...

I was looking at SV Premium, but if I went SV. Do they have many differences between the spec? the Nissan website is awful.

From what I can see
Round view monitor - don't need
intelligent driver alert? not sure what this is
Moving object - don't need
Front & Rear parking sensor - the base has reverse camera so can probably get away with that

Apart from that are they the same?

Anybody’s that’s used the 360 degree camera found it very hard to move away from it afterwards.

Superfoods · 08-06-2019 5:38pm

Soarer wrote: »

Anybody’s that’s used the 360 degree camera found it very hard to move away from it afterwards.

Never used it, current have a Galaxy so the Leaf would be tiny for parking in comparison. I just have the beep on the Galaxy

icom · 08-06-2019 6:06pm

Superfoods wrote: »

I am wondering...

I was looking at SV Premium, but if I went SV. Do they have many differences between the spec? the Nissan website is awful.

From what I can see
Round view monitor - don't need
intelligent driver alert? not sure what this is
Moving object - don't need
Front & Rear parking sensor - the base has reverse camera so can probably get away with that

Apart from that are they the same?

I was thinking the same, but in the end went for the SV with coldpack for an extra 400 euro. Great on winter mornings to have the heated steering wheel and the heated seats if required. Also the 16 inch tyres will be a lot cheaper to replace when the time comes.

Superfoods · 08-06-2019 6:11pm

icom wrote: »

I was thinking the same, but in the end went for the SV with coldpack for an extra 400 euro. Great on winter mornings to have the heated steering wheel and the heated seats if required. Also the 16 inch tyres will be a lot cheaper to replace when the time comes.

Sorry I will be including the cold pack.....

Adaptive cruise and lane assist are the main requirements which I think is on the SV?

Soarer · 08-06-2019 6:20pm

LED headlights?

Superfoods · 08-06-2019 6:21pm

Soarer wrote: »

LED headlights?

Don't have them on galaxy, wife has them on her car. Would be in the "nice to have bracket" but I am trying to keep within a specific budget....mostly driving in city so street lights anyway

Soarer · 08-06-2019 6:42pm

Well if it's mostly city driving, chances are you don't need the range of the L40.

So maybe save yourself a few quid and get a top spec L30?

Superfoods · 08-06-2019 7:00pm

Soarer wrote: »

Well if it's mostly city driving, chances are you don't need the range of the L40.

So maybe save yourself a few quid and get a top spec L30?

It is via my company, they only buy new.

ccunurse1995 · 22-06-2019 4:05pm

Gile_na_gile wrote: »

Have the 2018 Leaf SV with a 191 reg now for two weeks and still learning things about it. It is everything I had imagined based on the obsessive reading I did beforehand and while waiting for delivery and SEAI grant. For my commutes to Dublin and back it is fantastic. Very quick and reliable and well-suited for short motorway hops, given its fast acceleration and adequate top speed. Obviously 120kph downs the range rapidly but fine for short city hops, driving it similarly to ICE in terms of speed (or faster). First thing I did with it was drive up the Wicklow Gap, as I expect it not to have problems with that (and it didn't with 130km first drive, returning with 26% after mixed driving but not Leafspeed on smaller roads for the most part).

On the open, quiet motorway (i.e. M9), regardless of speed limits, most people average 130kph, and the Leaf can match that and faster (max 155kph, I have heard) but will not get too far at that speed. For a longer drive last weekend of 150km with kids in back, I took a slow winding route on the way to destination and motorway on the return with a howling wind behind and heavy rain. Was averaging 20kwh/100km at 110-120, and 27kwh/100 when accelerating to overtake. Tested the ICC behind BÉ bus at 100-110 and that dropped to 16kwh/100. Have not had the chance for the 180km drive to Tipp, yet.

The GOM was at 83km while distance at 53km, nearly converging after 120km, so stopped at Enfield for chademo charge for 15min before getting home rather than crawling home. A Kona waiting on the AC fast charge pulled up so left when I had enough for a bit of home driving (40%). Would have made it though. Temperature was 4-6 degrees Celsius yesterday, and heating at 17 deg C (auto setting, with heat pump).

So, far no problems with the charging infrastructure, but mostly charging with granny cable. Will install EVSE shortly.

Still going ok for you? What you think of the Adaptive cruise?

Shefwedfan · 11-07-2019 11:58am

Just wondering has anyone managed to get 3 car seats into the back of a Leaf? Thanks

jprboy · 11-07-2019 12:06pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Just wondering has anyone managed to get 3 car seats into the back of a Leaf? Thanks

All depends on the type of child seats and the combination but we've had 3 seats in together in the L24 - 1 high backed and 2 boosters.

* Edit - just realized this is about the 2018 Leaf but I doubt if there's less room in the back of the L40.

Shefwedfan · 11-07-2019 12:41pm

jprboy wrote: »

All depends on the type of child seats and the combination but we've had 3 seats in together in the L24 - 1 high backed and 2 boosters.

* Edit - just realized this is about the 2018 Leaf but I doubt if there's less room in the back of the L40.

Currently it would be 2 x Discovery SL Highback and ?????

Gile_na_gile · 12-07-2019 12:42am

ccunurse1995 wrote: »

Still going ok for you? What you think of the Adaptive cruise?

Just sawbthis. Going great, thanks. Happy with choice and will suffice for next few years. Adaptive is useful for quietish motorway, and tend not to use it much except on longer journeys to keep my foot off accerlerator.

grudgehugger · 12-07-2019 5:52am

I LOVE the adaptive cruise. Use it all the time.

It's on most days on the N11/M50 commuting to work (not so quiet!)

Current habit is I set it to 130 once I get on the N11 (Southern Cross Bray) and turn it off when I'm getting close to the Red Cow.

icom · 08-08-2019 4:01pm

First service today, 95 euro inc vat

Pollen filter was not replaced (it was still grand), wheels rotated, passenger side hub nut re-torqued which cured the clicking noise when taking off and screen wash topped up, even though I filled it this morning myself !

Service book stamped.

All set for another year

kennethsmyth · 09-08-2019 12:30pm

icom wrote: »

First service today, 95 euro inc vat

Pollen filter was not replaced (it was still grand), wheels rotated, passenger side hub nut re-torqued which cured the clicking noise when taking off and screen wash topped up, even though I filled it this morning myself !

Service book stamped.

All set for another year

I was charged 129 for my 1st year service which included changing pollen filter - its 149stg in uk so I was ok with it. But now you have made me envious

of not paying the extra 34 euro for a paper filter.:P

09-08-2019 1:25pm

Our April 2018 car continues to work with no issues after those front hubs were torqued at the first service. There is already 38k on the clock so mileage continues going up quickly.

The battery is down to reported 93.7% but as the car still seems to archive the usual 250 km per charge in the summer local/N roads driving.

2018 Leaf

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