We should stop calling the U.K 'England'

dd973 · 09-07-2019 6:22pm #1

There's no English Parliament, national anthem or seat at the U.N, it's often said as well that the 'English should get out of Ireland' referring to the North, it's a constituent part of the U.K, not a country in it's own right. If anybody's under the jackboot of 'The Brits' it's them. At least we've got 85% sovereignty.

Force Carrier · 09-07-2019 6:28pm

You could expand this out into a full online course. In geography and
politics. You might be able to get NUI accreditation.

holyhead · 09-07-2019 6:29pm

Are you bored. Really this is a thread?

Allinall · 09-07-2019 6:29pm

“UKs OUT”

Plastered across the Celtic jersey wearing gob****es wouldn’t garner the same attention.

Junkyard Tom · 09-07-2019 6:31pm

'United Kingdom of Great Britain and not Northern Ireland out of Ireland' uses too much Fenian paint on the wall.

whisky_galore · 09-07-2019 6:56pm

Only simpletons refer to the UK or Britain as 'England' anyway. The same kind of people who refer to a 'road tax'.

janfebmar · 09-07-2019 6:59pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

'United Kingdom of Great Britain and not Northern Ireland out of Ireland' uses too much Fenian paint on the wall.

Do not confuse the fenian painters. They would be claiming for mental confusion next.

touts · 09-07-2019 7:00pm

Sure the English own it all no matter how much their Nordie, Welsh and Scots subjects like to claim they are equal members of something called the United Kingdom.

Silent Running · 09-07-2019 7:04pm

True story: when I lived in Spain, I had a Scottish friend, who went home to visit relatives regularly. It was always funny when she returned. The English people asked her if she was back in England for a visit. She said, "no, Scotland". The English people knew she was a Scot, and was visiting Scotland.

Even the English call the UK England.

Bobblehats · 09-07-2019 7:09pm

U O.K hun?

Pinch Flat · 09-07-2019 7:10pm

Can we not just call it the mainland?

dxhound2005 · 09-07-2019 7:14pm

UKOGBANI.

Your Face · 09-07-2019 7:18pm

We don't say England.
We refer to them as 'Them across the water'

biko · 09-07-2019 7:21pm

I call England England, Wales Wales and Scotland Scotland.
Each country is distinct and has its own merits.

joe40 · 09-07-2019 7:23pm

That is an American thing referring to Britain as England.
Irish people are generally well aware of the distinction, but the dominant voice in British politics is still England.

Ipso · 09-07-2019 7:24pm

Ingerland sounds better.

Force Carrier · 09-07-2019 8:05pm

joe40 wrote: »

That is an American thing referring to Britain as England.
Irish people are generally well aware of the distinction, but the dominant voice in British politics is still England.

No with the Americans everything is Europe. 'We were in Europe. London, Europe.'

Edgware · 09-07-2019 9:39pm

dd973 wrote: »

There's no English Parliament, national anthem or seat at the U.N, it's often said as well that the 'English should get out of Ireland' referring to the North, it's a constituent part of the U.K, not a country in it's own right. If anybody's under the jackboot of 'The Brits' it's them. At least we've got 85% sovereignty.

I'll put down a motion about it at the next Tory Conference

lawred2 · 09-07-2019 9:40pm

dd973 wrote: »

There's no English Parliament, national anthem or seat at the U.N, it's often said as well that the 'English should get out of Ireland' referring to the North, it's a constituent part of the U.K, not a country in it's own right. If anybody's under the jackboot of 'The Brits' it's them. At least we've got 85% sovereignty.

Brill

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 09-07-2019 9:44pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Only simpletons refer to the UK or Britain as 'England' anyway. The same kind of people who refer to a 'road tax'.

Shakespeare did it. Was he a simpleton?

It was very common early in the 20C and before to call Britain, or the U.K., or the Empire England.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 09-07-2019 9:45pm

dd973 wrote: »

There's no English Parliament, national anthem or seat at the U.N, it's often said as well that the 'English should get out of Ireland' referring to the North, it's a constituent part of the U.K, not a country in it's own right. If anybody's under the jackboot of 'The Brits' it's them. At least we've got 85% sovereignty.

U.K. hun?

branie2 · 09-07-2019 9:47pm

England is part of the UK.

Edgware · 09-07-2019 9:50pm

All we need now is Vera Lynn and a blast of There will always be an England

WAW · 09-07-2019 9:57pm

England Prevails!.... Much better ring to it than UK.
We should call it whatever we want OP. It's only when we have to speak professionally that we have to give currently 'correct' ( open to interpretation) names.

odyssey06 · 09-07-2019 9:59pm

Holland is often used when really it's The Netherlands.
When there was a USSR, it was often called Russia.
I think my grandmother sometimes said Prussia rather than Germany (and dickety cause that Kaiser had stolen our word twenty of course)!

It's imprecise but the England \ UK thing is not unique.

Spanish Eyes · 09-07-2019 10:01pm

Without wishing to stir it up at all, I always think of the Brexit vote. It was leave in England and Wales and remain in NI and Scotland.

I doubt the United Kingdom is in any way united at the moment. But we shall see.

English is a term applied to anyone from the UK, but those NOT from England and Wales would not be happy to hear that either! A bit of mess if you ask me.

Atlantic Dawn · 09-07-2019 10:04pm

When it comes from actual media organisations and Gardai it feeds down to the population, similar to the fasssssscccccccccchhhhhhhhhhhhtttttttttttt lane on a motorway.

Recent example of such thrash...

Chief Supt Roche said gardai had recovered a vehicle with "English registration", which they believe was involved.

https://www.herald.ie/news/gardai-fear-boxer-killed-in-hitandrun-horror-was-targeted-in-attack-38272536.html

They have recovered an English registered black Mitsubishi SUV.

https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2019/0701/1059420-limerick-rta/

Larbre34 · 09-07-2019 10:07pm

No point changing it now, the UK will essentially be 'England' by 2030.

Maybe Wales also as they have little prospect alone, but whatevers.

odyssey06 · 09-07-2019 10:10pm

Good job we are the Republic of Ireland or Eire and not Ireland right?

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 09-07-2019 10:14pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

When it comes from actual media organisations and Gardai it feeds down to the population, similar to the fasssssscccccccccchhhhhhhhhhhhtttttttttttt lane on a motorway.

Recent example of such thrash...

https://www.herald.ie/news/gardai-fear-boxer-killed-in-hitandrun-horror-was-targeted-in-attack-38272536.html

https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2019/0701/1059420-limerick-rta/

I wonder if you can tell an English registration from a Scottish or Northern Irish one.

I say rhetorically.

FrancieBrady · 09-07-2019 10:16pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

When it comes from actual media organisations and Gardai it feeds down to the population, similar to the fasssssscccccccccchhhhhhhhhhhhtttttttttttt lane on a motorway.

Recent example of such thrash...

https://www.herald.ie/news/gardai-fear-boxer-killed-in-hitandrun-horror-was-targeted-in-attack-38272536.html

https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2019/0701/1059420-limerick-rta/

WV52 is an English reg is it not? W= West of England district.

Beanntraigheach · 09-07-2019 10:20pm

Well, the UK is basically a Greater England anyway.
It's England, + some adjacent historical conquests and acquisitions.
Comparable with Russia/USSR.

Nothing to upset yourself about.

ToddyDoody · 09-07-2019 10:29pm

England South and England North are quite different in and of themselves.

Remember asking guy in his mid 20s from Manchester how he found London.

He'd never been.

whisky_galore · 09-07-2019 10:41pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Shakespeare did it. Was he a simpleton?

It was very common early in the 20C and before to call Britain, or the U.K., or the Empire England.

Obviously nowadays, the UK didn't even exist as an entity in Shakespeare's day. *slow clap*

Force Carrier · 09-07-2019 10:44pm

ToddyDoody wrote: »

Remember asking guy in his mid 20s from Manchester how he found London.

He'd never been.

So he hadn't managed to find it.

Hamsterchops · 09-07-2019 10:46pm

branie2 wrote: »

England is part of the UK.

Correct.

England is the largest and most densely populated country in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 09-07-2019 11:03pm

holyhead wrote: »

Are you bored. Really this is a thread?

It’s the kind of thing that morons get worked up about.

ToddyDoody · 09-07-2019 11:06pm

Force Carrier wrote: »

So he hadn't managed to find it.

Very good.

Beanntraigheach · 10-07-2019 12:49am

whisky_galore wrote: »

Obviously nowadays, the UK didn't even exist as an entity in Shakespeare's day. *slow clap*

He certainly conflates England with the island of Britain in Richard II:
"this sceptred isle....this precious stone set in the silver sea....this England."

An Claidheamh · 10-07-2019 1:28am

janfebmar wrote: »

Do not confuse the fenian painters. They would be claiming for mental confusion next.

Speaking of the mentally confused, have your lot inhaled any toxic gas from the tyre burning bigot fest yet?

tricky D · 10-07-2019 1:28am

Bobblehats wrote: »

U O.K hun?

UK dokey!

An Claidheamh · 10-07-2019 1:31am

A British Union is an invented term, like the Soviet Union or British commonwealth.

No one voted to join.

No intelligent person thinks it is an equal "country".

It ought to be called England, the same way the USSR was Russia.

The Scots voted to be told what to do by England, too bad if this upsets them.

mikemac2 · 10-07-2019 5:13am

Is it a Muine Bheag or Bagnelstown? A question for the ages

Dr Strange · 10-07-2019 6:54am

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

I wonder if you can tell an English registration from a Scottish or Northern Irish one.

I say rhetorically.

The Northern Irish car registration is actually different to the rest of the UK.

NI uses letters followed by numbers.

Rest of UK uses letters followed by numbers followed by letters.

Further information:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of_the_United_Kingdom

Atoms for Peace · 10-07-2019 8:00am

The UK parliament is a direct continuation of the English Parliament.

Omackeral · 10-07-2019 8:37am

branie2 wrote: »

England is part of the UK.

Thanks for that branie, another amazing insight from you.

odyssey06 · 10-07-2019 9:24am

whisky_galore wrote: »

Obviously nowadays, the UK didn't even exist as an entity in Shakespeare's day. *slow clap*

Well, the thrones of England and Scotland were united in the person of James 1 in 1603, which would have been one of the major political events of his life - and heavily influenced Macbeth.
So there was no UK, but there was a united kingdom.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 10-07-2019 4:52pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

Well, the thrones of England and Scotland were united in the person of James 1 in 1603, which would have been one of the major political events of his life - and heavily influenced Macbeth.
So there was no UK, but there was a united kingdom.

He also mentioned Britain. As in England being mistaken for Britain. The island. That’s was Shakespeare’s error. Or not an error since it’s just a form of metonymy.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 10-07-2019 4:53pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Thanks for that branie, another amazing insight from you.

I like him. He shoots from the hip.

James Brown · 10-07-2019 4:54pm

dd973 wrote: »

There's no English Parliament, national anthem or seat at the U.N, it's often said as well that the 'English should get out of Ireland' referring to the North, it's a constituent part of the U.K, not a country in it's own right. If anybody's under the jackboot of 'The Brits' it's them. At least we've got 85% sovereignty.

'****' were getting offended. Show some sensitivity.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 10-07-2019 5:05pm

Dr Strange wrote: »

The Northern Irish car registration is actually different to the rest of the UK.

NI uses letters followed by numbers.

Rest of UK uses letters followed by numbers followed by letters.

Further information:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of_the_United_Kingdom

I know. a rhetorical question isn’t a real question.

We should stop calling the U.K 'England'

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