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Premiership Rugby 2019-20

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,416 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    According to the new saracens chief exec. On the greenwood podcast, once the team is in compliance on June 19 (I think its the date) then that's all that matters. It worth listening to

    I haven't thought this statement through really, but my initial reaction there is "So as long as they get rid of players at the end of the season, they can basically get away with another season of cheating".


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    So it turns out that the initial punishment decided on for Saracens was a points deduction of 70 points. Hadbthat been applied they would have been relegated. The PRL decided that "wasn't in the spirit of the competition" and reduced that to 35 points. Now I understand that you cant have that many English players playing in the Championship, but imagine Leicester get relegated. A big name club that has done nothing wrong and actually acted quite prudently financially. Had the original punishment stuck Leicester would have been safe. They'd be paying the price to keep Saracens up should they go down. How pissed would they and their fans be? And rightly so. And how bad a message does that actually send?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,722 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    molloyjh wrote: »
    So it turns out that the initial punishment decided on for Saracens was a points deduction of 70 points. Hadbthat been applied they would have been relegated. The PRL decided that "wasn't in the spirit of the competition" and reduced that to 35 points. Now I understand that you cant have that many English players playing in the Championship, but imagine Leicester get relegated. A big name club that has done nothing wrong and actually acted quite prudently financially. Had the original punishment stuck Leicester would have been safe. They'd be paying the price to keep Saracens up should they go down. How pissed would they and their fans be? And rightly so. And how bad a message does that actually send?

    Guaranteeing Saracens relegation was never going to happen. The PRL and the RFU wouldn't send the biggest provider of national team players down into the second tier for a season.

    But if I was a Leicester or London Irish fan, whoever gets relegated, I'd probably be more pissed off that despite the points deduction Sarries continued the season with zero squad changes for the first half of the season, with almost the exact same team that breached the salary cap for the previous season.

    Common sense would have been that the PRL should have told them they wouldn't be receiving any points until they got their squad below the salary cap, and not just let them continue as is and fix it at the end of the season after they avoid regulation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭jr86


    Rumours Jonny May could be on his way out in the summer

    If Leicester do manage to survive they are absolutely goosed next season if he leaves. He single handedly won the game for them last weekend and is arguably the form wing in test rugby


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,223 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    jr86 wrote: »
    Rumours Jonny May could be on his way out in the summer

    If Leicester do manage to survive they are absolutely goosed next season if he leaves. He single handedly won the game for them last weekend and is arguably the form wing in test rugby

    To Saracens is the rumour. There's be murder amongst the other clubs if that happened


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,223 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Burkie1203 wrote: »

    Was about to post that. Massive blow for Harlequins and yet another big name, big money player for Bristol.

    And one hell of an announcement video.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,722 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    Bristol's social media team are very good at their job.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Clegg wrote: »
    Was about to post that. Massive blow for Harlequins and yet another big name, big money player for Bristol.

    And one hell of an announcement video.

    I assume he'll be replacing Afoa who is surely retiring at this point.

    Bristol splashed the cash when they were coming up but, when you actually look at their squad, I don't think they've too many stars at all. 2 or 3 properly big names and then some fringe internationals.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 966 ✭✭✭Scythica




  • Registered Users Posts: 831 ✭✭✭hahashake


    Scythica wrote: »

    Schmidt to win the Prem and/or European Cup then go on to be Jones' successor in England.

    :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭randomrb


    Buer wrote: »
    I assume he'll be replacing Afoa who is surely retiring at this point.

    Bristol splashed the cash when they were coming up but, when you actually look at their squad, I don't think they've too many stars at all. 2 or 3 properly big names and then some fringe internationals.

    Very Pat Lam strategy, have a handful of top quality individuals to set the pace and push standards and maximise the potential of surrounding players that would be considered to be average league players elsewhere.

    If they continue on their current trajectory they will be serious competitors in the next season or two.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,416 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep


    https://twitter.com/btsportrugby/status/1228431319115456512

    Not always been his biggest fan, but good on him for having a bit of a sense of humour about the ball-dropping. He jokes about it post-match too in an interview with Steenson.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Confirmed that Dai Young is leaving Wasps after 9 years there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,722 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    Isiekwe, Spencer and Earl would be huge losses in terms of squad depth for them, they've all played a fair number of games for them this season and put in stellar performances.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Nadolo signed for Tigers


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    This Northhampton v Saracens game is mad


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,363 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Live fast, Dai Young.

    Quins should have about 17 penalty trys at this stage. Shocking reffing of the advantage at the end of ordinary time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,223 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Quins Vs Exeter is terrific.

    Exeter winning by 3 points with a man down in the 86th minute. Quins have a scrum on Exeter's 5 metre line.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,223 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    Live fast, Dai Young.

    Quins should have about 17 penalty trys at this stage. Shocking reffing of the advantage at the end of ordinary time.

    Just got it there.

    Gives them.their try bonus point too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,564 ✭✭✭RugbyLover123


    The ref was always going to keep going there until Harlequins either scored or he could give a penalty try after the refs mistake.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,223 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    BT excoriating the referee in the Exeter game. Say there's no way it was a penalty try. Rob Baxter now complaining to the ref about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,363 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Edit: Ref was playing on until however long it took to correct his error. Not good enough. Ben Kaye excoriating him now for not observing the rules. Its actually an embarrassing few minutes for him after an efficient 95% of the game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,749 ✭✭✭degsie


    Hum dinger between Sars and Nor


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    Chris Ashtons contract with Sale Sharks terminated with immediate affect. Agreed by both parties.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,722 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    stephen_n wrote: »
    Chris Ashtons contract with Sale Sharks terminated with immediate affect. Agreed by both parties.

    Apparently he's linked with a move to Quins, and Diamond has said he wants to make a couple of signings soon so it could be a case that they need to cut him as a marquee to get under the cap.

    Or else he's realised his move back to England was a bit of a waste since he's not getting back into the national squad like he had hoped, and is looking to cash in.

    It's a strange one, be interesting to see what happens.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Not just Chris Ashton apparently.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,722 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Not just Chris Ashton apparently.

    Bath paid for Redpath to be released with a 6 figure sum


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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Burkie1203 wrote: »

    I think everyone saw Skelton as being very top of the list when it came to likely departees. Not a hope he was hanging around.

    Saracens have done a great job of turning him into a more rounded lock as opposed to the highlight reel player he was. I don't see a move to La Rochelle being conducive to him continuing down that path.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭randomrb


    Buer wrote: »
    I think everyone saw Skelton as being very top of the list when it came to likely departees. Not a hope he was hanging around.

    Saracens have done a great job of turning him into a more rounded lock as opposed to the highlight reel player he was. I don't see a move to La Rochelle being conducive to him continuing down that path.

    I think Gibbes and O'Gara are trying to bring La Rochelle into a more NZ/ Irish/ English model slowly so players who have played in top processional clubs will be useful


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203




  • Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Interesting. If the figures reported previously were accurate, then I would imagine that Saracens are now back in line with the salary cap. They were £906k over the cap last season. They've already had a handful of confirmed departures which means they're probably good to go now if the other players are happy to stay.

    Liam Williams, Vincent Kock, Will Skelton, Richard Wigglesworth, Matt Gallagher and Titi Lamositele are all gone for next season. Will that be sufficient? Quite likely, I'd have thought.

    Of course, the issue now is that they've lost their sponsor as well as a huge amount of television money so they'll probably see another few people leave but, as it stands, I think they're in line with the cap.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Buer wrote: »
    Interesting. If the figures reported previously were accurate, then I would imagine that Saracens are now back in line with the salary cap. They were £906k over the cap last season. They've already had a handful of confirmed departures which means they're probably good to go now if the other players are happy to stay.

    Liam Williams, Vincent Kock, Will Skelton, Richard Wigglesworth, Matt Gallagher and Titi Lamositele are all gone for next season. Will that be sufficient? Quite likely, I'd have thought.

    Of course, the issue now is that they've lost their sponsor as well as a huge amount of television money so they'll probably see another few people leave but, as it stands, I think they're in line with the cap.

    Are any of these players leaving immediately bar Liam Williams? If not they are then under the cap?


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    Are any of these players leaving immediately bar Liam Williams? If not they are then under the cap?

    I meant they will be under the cap for next season i.e. they don't need any other players to depart to be compliant as long as the remainder of their squad is happy to remain and they can afford them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    I assume the designated marquee players remain outside the cap for eligibility to be promoted back to the Premiership?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,722 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    I assume the designated marquee players remain outside the cap for eligibility to be promoted back to the Premiership?

    Itoje and Farrell, yeah they'll be held to the same credits and allowance system as Premiership teams I believe.

    Williams is the only player who has actually left though (other than Kpoku who signed with Saints but was on an academy contract anyways), I'm still hesitant to believe anything until deals are confirmed, because at this rate we must've seen the same 'almost done deal' stories about 15 of their players.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Itoje and Farrell, yeah they'll be held to the same credits and allowance system as Premiership teams I believe.

    Williams is the only player who has actually left though (other than Kpoku who signed with Saints but was on an academy contract anyways), I'm still hesitant to believe anything until deals are confirmed, because at this rate we must've seen the same 'almost done deal' stories about 15 of their players.
    From what I understand, Williams didn't count anyway, since he was injured and hadn't played in any premiership matches this season.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,722 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    From what I understand, Williams didn't count anyway, since he was injured and hadn't played in any premiership matches this season.

    For next season though. This season is a write off regardless, I think it had been clarified that the rule hadn't been updated with the correct wording so it's only next season that applies to them if they're back up for promotion


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    For next season though. This season is a write off regardless, I think it had been clarified that the rule hadn't been updated with the correct wording so it's only next season that applies to them if they're back up for promotion
    The point being that if they were over the cap this season, Williams wouldn't have counted anyway. So his going earlier makes no difference to the cap this season or next season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,722 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    More starting to come out about Ashton's departure from Sale, BBC reporting it was due to a "difference in opinion with Diamond" https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/51725686


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,223 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Harlequins have confirmed the signing of Chris Ashton.

    https://twitter.com/BBCSport/status/1235170472905633792?s=19


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,706 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    London Irish kicking off now. SOB starting at 6. On Rugby Pass if anyone has it


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,706 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Wins a turnover after 12mins


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Now a great quality game, lots of mistakes.


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    O Brien is such a bollox on the pitch, gas stuff.


  • Registered Users Posts: 119 ✭✭Whitters22


    Is Jackson injured or out of favour? Haven't seen him for a while.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Terrible teams, Leinster would put 50 on either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,722 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    Whitters22 wrote: »
    Is Jackson injured or out of favour? Haven't seen him for a while.

    Injured, got a knock before Christmas and hasn't been back since. Very little updates from what I can see


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