Happy Bloomsday

Permabear · 16-06-2018 7:58am #1

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Day Lewin · 16-06-2018 8:03am

Have read it twice (it improves on a second reading)
And dress up every year for events!
(But not going to anything today because of family engagements.)

Who else has got a Bloomsday hat?

OldMrBrennan83 · 16-06-2018 8:04am

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Optimalprimerib · 16-06-2018 8:07am

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Along with the Barry town trilogy of course

Permabear · 16-06-2018 8:12am

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zapitastas · 16-06-2018 8:22am

Patww79 wrote: »

What exactly is bloomsday? I thought it was something to do with the gardening thing in the phoenix park.

The significance of the date is that it was the actual date on which Nora first gave James joyce a hand job. The celebrations are actually commentating the first time Joyce blew his load with a woman and didn't have to pay for it with a prostitute. Good man Joyce, always poking fun

paw patrol · 16-06-2018 8:25am

I read joyce in school. I thought it was all **** then.

Then in my 30s I decided to give Ulysses a 2nd read. It was still ****.

Joyce is an overrated con artist although his fondness for hookers means he can't have been all bad.

zapitastas · 16-06-2018 8:30am

paw patrol wrote: »

I read joyce in school. I thought it was all **** then.

Then in my 30s I decided to give Ulysses a 2nd read. It was still ****.

Joyce is an overrated con artist although his fondness for hookers means he can't have been all bad.

Not only was his writing experimental, with a mastery over the use of language and unmatched knowledge of linguistics, his vision of the human condition and understanding of consciousness was far ahead of his time.

OldMrBrennan83 · 16-06-2018 8:31am

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Day Lewin · 16-06-2018 9:18am

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Yes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulysses_(1967_film)

Harry Palmr · 16-06-2018 9:30am

Happy David Norris Day I think you mean.

Load of old Coddle

SEPT 23 1989 · 16-06-2018 9:58am

Dubliners was a good read tried reading this but gave up

kneemos · 16-06-2018 10:02am

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Happy David Norris Day I think you mean.

Load of old Coddle

We dodged a bullet there.

Donald Trump · 16-06-2018 11:17am

Optimalprimerib wrote: »

Along with the Barry town trilogy of course

A-wan Sharden

SnazzyPig · 16-06-2018 11:28am

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Happy David Norris Day I think you mean.

Load of old Coddle

David Norris.

'nuff said.

Permabear · 16-06-2018 1:04pm

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mick malones mauser · 16-06-2018 1:10pm

Anybody who mentions that Charlatan Roddy Doyle in a conversation about James Joyce deserves to be shot or at the very least deported to Australia on an old style convict ship.

16-06-2018 3:06pm

Jimmy Joyce, the guy who would write a sentence in 3,687 words when 8 words would suffice. What a verbose bollocks.

paw patrol · 16-06-2018 3:39pm

zapitastas wrote: »

Not only was his writing experimental, with a mastery over the use of language and unmatched knowledge of linguistics, his vision of the human condition and understanding of consciousness was far ahead of his time.

of course if you say so.

In other words , I'm too thick to get it...thanks :rolleyes:

But if being thick means I'm poles apart from pompous fcuks like David Norris then I'm ok with that.

mick malones mauser · 16-06-2018 3:48pm

No one is " too thick " to understand Joyce and no one should ever use Joyce for any sort of oneupmanship.
If it's not your cup of tea...well its not your cup of tea.
However its also unfair of those who havent enjoyed Joyce to dismiss him as over rated etc etc

zapitastas · 16-06-2018 3:58pm

paw patrol wrote: »

of course if you say so.

In other words , I'm too thick to get it...thanks :rolleyes:

But if being thick means I'm poles apart from pompous fcuks like David Norris then I'm ok with that.

Not at all, where was the implication that you were too thick to understand Joyce. I simply stated a couple of his strengths, there is no doubt that the man was far ahead of his time. There are unabridged readings of the book available and are well worth a listen before dismissing the work. The best way to appreciate the genius of ulysees is to read some of the accompanying studies on it while going through the chapters. Later readthroughts will benefit no end

Joe Dog · 16-06-2018 4:25pm

zapitastas wrote: »

Not at all, where was the implication that you were too thick to understand Joyce. I simply stated a couple of his strengths, there is no doubt that the man was far ahead of his time. There are unabridged readings of the book available and are well worth a listen before dismissing the work. The best way to appreciate the genius of ulysees is to read some of the accompanying studies on it while going through the chapters. Later readthroughts will benefit no end

Sounds like an awful lot of work to go through just to read a book.

Most people don't put that much effort into their jobs.

Fourier · 19-06-2018 8:52am

zapitastas wrote: »

Not only was his writing experimental, with a mastery over the use of language and unmatched knowledge of linguistics, his vision of the human condition and understanding of consciousness was far ahead of his time.

Unmatched knowledge of linguitics? What does that mean? Surely linguists have and had a better grasp, unless you mean something else.

What did he realise or understand about consciousness that was new or advanced?

Note, I'm not sceptical, it's just I often see these things stated but never get a clear picture of their content.

whisky_galore · 19-06-2018 9:03am

Joe Dog wrote: »

Sounds like an awful lot of work to go through just to read a book.

Most people don't put that much effort into their jobs.

Will watch the movie, aint nobody got no time for all that reading.

Tell me how · 19-06-2018 9:08am

whisky_galore wrote:

Will watch the movie, aint nobody got no time for all that reading.

Reading shouldn't necessarily be seen as time spent but as allowing yourself the time to relax and nourish your brain.

It's very beneficial.

Hector Savage · 19-06-2018 9:17am

Permabear wrote: »

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I attempted to read it

- absolute and utter drivel.

DRIVEL

mick malones mauser · 19-06-2018 9:22am

It's far from drivel

andekwarhola · 19-06-2018 9:25am

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Jimmy Joyce, the guy who would write a sentence in 3,687 words when 8 words would suffice. What a verbose bollocks.

Cant have writers being verbose. Why can't they just knock out pamphlets?

Permabear · 19-06-2018 9:42am

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Your Face · 19-06-2018 10:16am

Some of the replies on this thread are very revealing.

topper75 · 19-06-2018 10:24am

People have become accustomed to expecting a straightforward 'story' on picking up a book.

Language for language sake is not digestible by the masses.

I liked his style but about a third of the way through I realised life is short and packed it in.

Dubliners is a much more accessible collection of short stories. Portrait of the Artist hasn't aged well and is more a historical document.

I haven't tried Finnegan's Wake but I believe it is more 'out there' than Ulysses.

Fourier · 19-06-2018 10:29am

Finnegans wake is the one I'm going to try and read this year. I bought a few commantaries as I doubt I'd understand all the references by myself.

Permabear · 19-06-2018 10:31am

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Fourier · 19-06-2018 10:35am

I've read that quite a few times, but he himself said it was his masterpiece didn't he?

A pity then that it is discussed so little.

Permabear · 19-06-2018 10:43am

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andekwarhola · 19-06-2018 11:13am

Patww79 wrote: »

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paw patrol wrote: »

I read joyce in school. I thought it was all **** then.

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Load of old Coddle

Deleted User wrote: »

What a verbose bollocks.

paw patrol wrote: »

But if being thick means I'm poles apart from pompous fcuks like David Norris then I'm ok with that.

Joe Dog wrote: »

Sounds like an awful lot of work to go through just to read a book.

Hector Savage wrote: »

- absolute and utter drivel.

DRIVEL

The AH Review of Books :pac:

19-06-2018 11:18am

Ulysses really isn’t that difficult to read, a myth has built up around it that it is some form literary marathon and simply finishing it is an achievement in itself.

The book is broken up into sections but these are not marked in the book. Once you highlight where these parts start and end it’s pretty straight forward.

The difficulty really stems from whether you find what you’re reading boring or not but if boredom were equated with difficulty people like Banville, Enright, Tóibín, and other such serious boredom merchants wouldn’t be selling as they do.

Yes, the book does shift style throughout and it get a little Finnegan’s Wake-y towards the end but you can still decipher what’s going on.

Joyce’s shock at negative opinions on Finnegan’s Wake is baffling really, he put out something that is the literary equivalent of The Beatles’ Revolution 9.

Hector Savage · 19-06-2018 11:34am

Your Face wrote: »

Some of the replies on this thread are very revealing.

?

What I am an uneducated fool cos I didn't like it ?

Anway, I was very young, I have always wanted to give it another chance now that my tastes have changed - but really amn't looking forward to it .

Permabear · 19-06-2018 11:47am

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Hector Savage · 19-06-2018 11:58am

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Actually yeah my Dad was telling me years back that to get the most out of it, one needs a guide ..

19-06-2018 12:15pm

andekwarhola wrote: »

The AH Review of Books :pac:

Coddle has been mentioned as well. How humans would want to eat pigswill is a bit of a mystery...........

pauliebdub · 19-06-2018 12:23pm

I've read Dubliners, which is an excellent collection of short stories and I have Ulysses at home on a shelf, I managed about 30 pages before giving up. It's always been one I've been meaning to return to.

Permabear · 19-06-2018 1:24pm

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Ipso · 19-06-2018 5:03pm

Optimalprimerib wrote: »

Along with the Barry town trilogy of course

And the ROCK series!

DEFTLEFTHAND · 19-06-2018 5:25pm

andekwarhola wrote: »

The AH Review of Books :pac:

These are actually the blurbs from the paperback edition.

FTA69 · 19-06-2018 5:33pm

mick malones mauser wrote: »

Anybody who mentions that Charlatan Roddy Doyle in a conversation about James Joyce deserves to be shot or at the very least deported to Australia on an old style convict ship.

Roddy Doyle is one of the best writers Ireland has produced; an absolutely blinding rendition of some various aspects of working class life in urban Ireland. The Woman Who Walked into Doors, Barrytown Trilogy - magnificent stuff.

I've never read Joyce, and I'm not sh*tting on him, but Doyle shouldn't be denigrated.

Day Lewin · 19-06-2018 6:57pm

FTA69 wrote: »

Roddy Doyle is one of the best writers Ireland has produced; an absolutely blinding rendition of some various aspects of working class life in urban Ireland. The Woman Who Walked into Doors, Barrytown Trilogy - magnificent stuff.

I've never read Joyce, and I'm not sh*tting on him, but Doyle shouldn't be denigrated.

At least Roddy Doyle is entertaining; and so is Joyce, believe it or not: - though that Stephen Dedalus is a dismally tedious character in my educated opinion.
Some poster above mentioned the likes of Banville, Toibín, and McGahern that really insert the iron of boredom into the soul: Oh how I agree! -- wearisome pessimism from beginning to end. They may write in plain sentences but plain is not everything; inspiration, humour, and insight are what adds the sparkle to the wine.
I've coped with Ulysses, ho-hum on Dubliners and Portrait of that Artist: failed on Finnegan's Wake, and just brokenly beg to be delivered from the likes of John McGahern. And as for Angela's bleedin' Ashes! Save me, chop a limb off, anything to be rescued from such a fεkkin depressing book. :-)

mick malones mauser · 19-06-2018 7:46pm

Omg
Did someone mention Roddy Feckin Doyle again.
Honestly !! "One of the best writers we have produced "
No he isn't.

Permabear · 19-06-2018 10:53pm

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Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 21-06-2018 2:12pm

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Virtually everything I have ever heard from Roddy Doyle make me less likely to read his work. He seems like a very obnoxious man.

topper75 · 21-06-2018 3:17pm

Day Lewin wrote: »

And as for Angela's bleedin' Ashes! Save me, chop a limb off, anything to be rescued from such a fεkkin depressing book. :-)

A hilarious take on the absurdity of deprivation and a beaten society's tolerance of it. Reread and appreciate.

Speaking of prizewinning Irish authors... anyone here tried Solar Bones?

Happy Bloomsday

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