Bangladeshi Trainee Garda and His Sham Marriage

kneemos · 24-04-2018 4:45pm

A Bangladeshi married to an east European looks dodgy to be fair.

wexie · 24-04-2018 4:45pm

irishproduce wrote: »

I am open to suggestions as to what legitimate reasons that more than perhaps one of them would have.

How about if they have a partner who's working in IT or a hospital...
Would that be okay?

weldoninhio · 24-04-2018 4:46pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

well actually that was suggested by the OP.

No it wasn’t, in fact the opposite was said in the OP, that Bangladeshis that are here are more likely too highly skilled to be Gardai. Talk about twisting the facts.

ohnonotgmail · 24-04-2018 4:48pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

No it wasn’t, in fact the opposite was said in the OP, that Bangladeshis that are here are more likely too highly skilled to be Gardai. Talk about twisting the facts.

maybe you read a different OP

Are the Garda not a bit extra suspicious when bringing these guys for interview that broadly, they are spurious characters who shouldn't really be here in the first place.

weldoninhio · 24-04-2018 4:50pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

maybe you read a different OP

“Bangladeshis who are here legitimately tend to be working as doctors, IT engineers and Pharmacists for example, not call centres and farm hands.”

We call all selectively quote. :rollseyes:

irishproduce · 24-04-2018 4:51pm

amcalester wrote: »

Would it be any different if 10 Bengali's were waiting in line to work at a hospital?

I'm not sure what the relevance of the position being applied for has.

If AGS sent for police force workers to Bengali, then no, no issue there.
If however Bengali lads are trying to enter AGS, then since they are outside if EU, they should be robustly scrutinised as to how they are able to apply with Irish citizenship.
They may be given the benefit of the doubt for a more generous period, since we do not have a recognised problem with Bengali lads marrying eastern European women for cash.

ohnonotgmail · 24-04-2018 4:51pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

“Bangladeshis who are here legitimately tend to be working as doctors, IT engineers and Pharmacists for example, not call centres and farm hands.”

We call all selectively quote. :rollseyes:

and anybody who doesn't fit into these groups and applies to AGS is dodgy. Big sweeping brush much?

irishproduce · 24-04-2018 4:53pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

if they are applying for AGS they already have visas.

Yes, and my point is, how they got the citizenship should be scrutinised immediately. They should not be in training a year later.

irishproduce · 24-04-2018 4:54pm

wexie wrote: »

How about if they have a partner who's working in IT or a hospital...
Would that be okay?

Absolutely. Of course.
If their partner is from Belarus though, I would probably be asking tougher questions.

irishproduce · 24-04-2018 4:55pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

No it wasn’t, in fact the opposite was said in the OP, that Bangladeshis that are here are more likely too highly skilled to be Gardai. Talk about twisting the facts.

That is a better way of putting it thanks.
The Bangladeshis that are here, legitimately, are more than likely too highly skilled to be applying to be part of AGS. Of course you may have the odd one.

amcalester · 24-04-2018 4:57pm

irishproduce wrote: »

Absolutely. Of course.
If their partner is from Belarus though, I would probably be asking tougher questions.

How do you know these questions weren't asked?

Why were GNIB investigating this particular individual in the first place. I would imagine that in the event of a tip off the HR department would continue as normal until GNIB had investigated the matter, to do otherwise could be discriminatory.

amcalester · 24-04-2018 4:58pm

irishproduce wrote: »

Yes, and my point is, how they got the citizenship should be scrutinised immediately. They should not be in training a year later.

How do you know they had Irish citizenship, there's no mention of that in the RTE article.

Riskymove · 24-04-2018 5:01pm

amcalester wrote: »

How do you know they had Irish citizenship, there's no mention of that in the RTE article.

They didn't

They had EU residency rights becasue they had gained Lithuanian rights after marrying lithuanian women

amcalester · 24-04-2018 5:09pm

Riskymove wrote: »

They didn't

They had EU residency rights becasue they had gained Lithuanian rights after marrying lithuanian women

That's what I thought, Irish citizenship isn't a requirement for being a Garda.

The OP is all over the place and needs to take a deep breath, calm down and reasonable and clearly set out his complaint.

El Weirdo · 24-04-2018 5:14pm

This place gets worse by the day.

weldoninhio · 24-04-2018 5:22pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

and anybody who doesn't fit into these groups and applies to AGS is dodgy. Big sweeping brush much?

Twist, twist, twist.

You replied to me originally when I replied to someone who didn’t see the big deal with this case as the fraudster in question wasn’t here to milk the benefit system.

I replied stating that the GS don’t need a shady character like this in the force.

You then suggested that I had somehow called all Bangladeshis shady.

It’s literally there in the thread. Each time you’ve twisted and twisted words to put words in my mouth and misrepresent what I said. It’s a pathetic way to post on a discussion board. I’d suggest it’s you that has a big brush making broad strokes rather than dealing with what is actually being said.

ohnonotgmail · 24-04-2018 5:29pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

Twist, twist, twist.

You replied to me originally when I replied to someone who didn’t see the big deal with this case as the fraudster in question wasn’t here to milk the benefit system.

I replied stating that the GS don’t need a shady character like this in the force.

You then suggested that I had somehow called all Bangladeshis shady.

It’s literally there in the thread. Each time you’ve twisted and twisted words to put words in my mouth and misrepresent what I said. It’s a pathetic way to post on a discussion board. I’d suggest it’s you that has a big brush making broad strokes rather than dealing with what is actually being said.

i suggested no such thing. i asked a question.

uck51js9zml2yt · 24-04-2018 5:31pm

brianblaze wrote: »

This is a very thinly veiled 'feckin foreigners' thread

Not veiled at all more like it!

weldoninhio · 24-04-2018 5:32pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i suggested no such thing. i asked a question.

Course you did. You just quoted my original post for the craic, eh?

AlekSmart · 24-04-2018 5:32pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

Yes, because even more shady characters on the force is exactly what the Gardai needs. :rollseyes:

Indeed,I wonder if they have driving licences in Bangladesh....?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/garda-who-never-sat-driving-test-loses-appeal-over-having-no-licence-1.3403404

weldoninhio · 24-04-2018 5:34pm

AlekSmart wrote: »

Indeed,I wonder if they have driving licences in Bangladesh....?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/garda-who-never-sat-driving-test-loses-appeal-over-having-no-licence-1.3403404

There are multiple stories available of shady coppers within AGS. We don’t need to import them.

Mrs OBumble · 24-04-2018 5:41pm

irishproduce wrote: »

1) What are we doing bringing dodgy Bangladeshi guys in to the police force.
There are no Bangldeshi people in Ireland, who are likely to join the Gardai.
...
We are mugs.

I've met a few lads from the Indian subcontinent who are married to women, also from the Indian subcontinent and working here as nurses, doctors or in IT. Some would make excellent guards - at very least they would be able to count the number of breath tests they performed correctly. And their cultural background would stand them in investigating certain crimes.

thebull85 · 24-04-2018 5:50pm

im sure the Kinahans and Hutches are quaking at the thought of 5'5 bangladeshis joining the guards. There is enough midgets in the force already.

The_Kew_Tour · 24-04-2018 5:51pm

Laughed my arse off reading the link.

Shows the Guards have not a clue

The_Kew_Tour · 24-04-2018 5:58pm

Have different cultures in the Guards would be terrific idea actually. Fully support it.

Just don't hire the old lads who break the law

AlekSmart · 24-04-2018 5:58pm

irishproduce wrote: »

That is not my point at all.

I am highlighting the fact that we have people in this country who are clearly blaggards and we are taking soft approaches on it.

There are plenty of Bangladeshis here legally, but they tend to be in Hospitals and other such high skilled jobs as I have pointed out.
Where we have an eastern asian bloke sending in applications, with history that is not in a high skilled job, plus married to a poor eastern european, then that application should be immediately scrutinised.
He should not be turning up for training months later in Templemore.
It is PC ****e

Highlight away,as I'm confident there'll be plenty of smokescreen blowing this way shortly.....:)

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/trainee-garda-married-gay-woman-in-sham-marriage-for-15-000-1.3472798

The Paper of Record account appears a tad more "complete" that the RTE one....and raises some issues about the timeframe too....

A Garda recruit has resigned from the force after it was found he paid a woman €15,000 for a sham marriage so he would gain the right to live and work in Ireland.

Quite a significant fee involved for the facility too !!

Last year, about three years after the sham marriage, he was so sure he had cheated the system and his sham marriage had gone undetected, he applied to join the Garda.

Our man was no gobdaw,he knew how to keep off the radar alright.

He passed the aptitude and physical tests and was among the successful applicants to reach and pass the interview stage of the recruitment process run by the Public Appointments Service.

The PAS are most likely warming up their Public Relations machine as we type,to deal with any tricky questions,on the robustness of their Interview process for becoming a Garda.

After initially claiming asylum here they then married two women from Eastern Europe. Both of the women are gay but they agreed to marry the men for a fee of €15,000 each. The marriages were carried out without incident. And in interviews with the Irish National Immigration Service (INIS) both couples satisfied staff their marriages were genuine and so the men were given permission to live and work in Ireland on a permanent basis.

A Wedding without incident....surely some mistake ?

What other exotic elements will turn up as this case unfolds,like a dance of the seven veils ?

God be with the days when it was only the Dubs who could'nt get into Templemore....:D

Kivaro · 24-04-2018 6:31pm

AlekSmart wrote: »

Highlight away,as I'm confident there'll be plenty of smokescreen blowing this way shortly.....:)

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/trainee-garda-married-gay-woman-in-sham-marriage-for-15-000-1.3472798

The Paper of Record account appears a tad more "complete" that the RTE one....and raises some issues about the timeframe too....

Quite a significant fee involved for the facility too !!

Our man was no gobdaw,he knew how to keep off the radar alright.

The PAS are most likely warming up their Public Relations machine as we type,to deal with any tricky questions,on the robustness of their Interview process for becoming a Garda.

A Wedding without incident....surely some mistake ?

What other exotic elements will turn up as this case unfolds,like a dance of the seven veils ?

God be with the days when it was only the Dubs who could'nt get into Templemore....:D

There you go bringing "facts" to the story.
That'll make you an even bigger racist.

Guy:Incognito · 24-04-2018 6:39pm

I presume you don't need Irish to join the gardai anymore?

pjohnson · 24-04-2018 6:49pm

Still dont get the OP's rambling. I mean if the Bangladeshi had legitamately been married should he still have been prevented from joining AGS?

weldoninhio · 24-04-2018 6:55pm

pjohnson wrote: »

Still dont get the OP's rambling. I mean if the Bangladeshi had legitamately been married should he still have been prevented from joining AGS?

I think the OPs original point is that an unskilled Bangladeshi married to an Eastern European lady should have been setting off alarm bells, especially after he had already been denied refuge.

Dude89 · 24-04-2018 6:58pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

I presume you don't need Irish to join the gardai anymore?

I'm sure the man had his leaving cert and was fluent in Irish and they did a background check on him in Bangladesh lol.... what a disgrace.

24-04-2018 7:05pm

If it's any consolation, OP, the RTÉ Radio 1 security guy Reynolds was saying @6pm that the reason AGS want to recruit more foreigners is because a whopping 22% of the population of Ireland between the ages of 18 (20?) and 40 was born outside Ireland. If true, as stastics go that's a well-kept secret.

Kivaro · 24-04-2018 7:06pm

pjohnson wrote: »

Still dont get the OP's rambling. I mean if the Bangladeshi had legitamately been married should he still have been prevented from joining AGS?

From the Times article above:

A Garda recruit has resigned from the force after it was found he paid a woman €15,000 for a sham marriage so he would gain the right to live and work in Ireland.

AlekSmart · 24-04-2018 7:07pm

pjohnson wrote: »

Still dont get the OP's rambling. I mean if the Bangladeshi had legitamately been married should he still have been prevented from joining AGS?

To be fair,the OP has not rambled at all,direct and to the point I would say,the only rambling has been from a couple of posters eager to diversify,and embrace other stuff....from wherever it comes.

In the meantime,we know little of the Banglagarda's friend,who married the other Lesbian Lithuanian....or is it Lithunian Lesbian ??

But,with Brexit in mind,I'm sure the PSNI might be worth a punt ?

Grayson · 24-04-2018 7:24pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

I think the OPs original point is that an unskilled Bangladeshi married to an Eastern European lady should have been setting off alarm bells, especially after he had already been denied refuge.

But he was caught by out by the immigration service. The people who are supposed to investigate this stuff. So I have no idea what the problem is. Are they the wrong people to catch him?

amcalester · 24-04-2018 7:27pm

Grayson wrote: »

But he was caught by out by the immigration service. The people who are supposed to investigate this stuff. So I have no idea what the problem is. Are they the wrong people to catch him?

Exactly, I really don’t see what the issue is.

The system works, it might be slow but it works.

24-04-2018 7:48pm

irelandrover wrote: »

Can you make a list of passports and the list of jobs that they are not allowed to apply for?

I dont think OP is pointing out one nationality specifically. Surely you understood the point he was making? or were you just hoping for some cheap thanks :pac:

The point OP seems to be making is that people who are from countries outside of the EU ideally should be here on a skill visa, which generally you only get if you are working as a doctor, IT, Nurse etc. These people on skilled visas wouldn't be eligible to join the Gardai, so I think OP was just curious how this guy could get into Ireland without a skilled visa and apply for the force.

I don't think OP was being in anyway anti foreigner, with the skills shortage in areas like IT we need skilled immigrants. I am very pro immigraiton but I still would wonder how a lad born in Bangladesh, without a proper skill..... would get a visa into Ireland that would make him eligible for the police force.

Foxhound38 · 24-04-2018 8:27pm

irishproduce wrote: »

See on rte there is an item about a Bangladeshi chap who got himself a sham marriage and then was admitted into AGS training.

This stuff annoys the hell out of me.
Couple of questions arise.

1) What are we doing bringing dodgy Bangladeshi guys in to the police force.
There are no Bangldeshi people in Ireland, who are likely to join the Gardai.

2) Are the Garda not a bit extra suspicious when bringing these guys for interview that broadly, they are spurious characters who shouldn't really be here in the first place.

Bangladeshis who are here legitimately tend to be working as doctors, IT engineers and Pharmacists for example, not call centres and farm hands.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0424/956889-garda-sham-marriage/

The whole thing is just so stupid. The fact a Bangladeshi or other similar national who wants to join the guards at all should lead to suspicion immediately.
We are mugs.

Sounds like a certain bitter somebody applied for the Guards and didnt make the cut.

Its OK, the Banglideshis are at fault so they are

Beechwoodspark · 24-04-2018 8:38pm

If a non EU person legally resides here then Presumably they have to be here legally for a period of time then they are eligible to apply for a job in the guards.

If the guards then accept them and train them why is there an issue?

This man it seems was abusing the system and has been found out. So what is the issue. No non EU people should be eligible to join the guards ever? OP is that your point ?

Sand · 24-04-2018 8:43pm

I'm bemused that people are repeatedly asking what the problem is. It's as if they haven't seen the repeated posts explaining what the problem is.

In fairness to this fellah, he must have nerves of steel. He knows he is in Ireland illegally with a sham marriage and he decides to push his luck by joining the Guards. Not smart, but its something.

One eyed Jack · 24-04-2018 9:01pm

ChikiChiki wrote: »

FFS like. Do you want to be a bit more specific you racist mongoloid?

That has to be a contradiction in terms surely? Never mind Bangladeshi peeps, what the hell is wrong with Mongolians?

TheManTheMyth · 24-04-2018 9:06pm

The guy is Bangladeshi, he was married to an Eastern European woman, that should have set alarm bells ringing. It's worrying that this guy was able to get so far into the Garda training programme. Clearly there is a much bigger problem with illegal migrants than we are aware of. We need a system in place that notifies authorities when someone who has entered the country with a visa overstays. Then those people should be tracked down as quickly as possible and deported immediately.

the_syco · 24-04-2018 9:25pm

bigpink wrote: »

Look at Limerick it’s a joke all the Non eu people here at present

Who else would want to work in stab city?

irishproduce wrote: »

He should have been subject to robust scrutiny immediately once a Bangladeshi passport was handed in for a Garda job.

If he was here under a sham marriage, surely he'd have had an Irish one when joining the Gardai?

Anyone from Finglas North Dublin should also be subject to robust scrutiny.

irishproduce wrote: »

Read my posts Sam, Bangladeshi or other such nationals have no business here unless they are on holidays, working in Hospitals, Pharmacies, big tech firms or the like.

Northsiders shouldn't leave Dublin unless they are on holidays, working in Hospitals, Pharmacies, big tech firms or the like.

irishproduce · 24-04-2018 11:33pm

TheManTheMyth wrote: »

The guy is Bangladeshi, he was married to an Eastern European woman, that should have set alarm bells ringing. It's worrying that this guy was able to get so far into the Garda training programme. Clearly there is a much bigger problem with illegal migrants than we are aware of. We need a system in place that notifies authorities when someone who has entered the country with a visa overstays. Then those people should be tracked down as quickly as possible and deported immediately.

Exactly, there is something wrong with our policies when clear red flags are not picked up immediately.
How brazen can you get - than to know you're here illegally and to still attempt to join one of the arms of the state tasked with upholding law?
Or another way to look at it is, chancers think so little of our policies that they are willing to blatantly disregard them.

weldoninhio · 25-04-2018 12:08am

Also shocking that he “resigned”!! His feet shouldn’t have touched the ground between wherever he was when found out and Dublin Airport!!!!

25-04-2018 3:56am

That's amazing.. I never really considered that non-Irish could be allowed into the guards. I thought things like that would be deemed to be like a national security thing.

What jobs are only given to Irish people? I assume judges would be a key one, surely?

Can I go to America and be a cop, and fire guns and stuff? Genuine question.

D Trent · 25-04-2018 4:02am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That's amazing.. I never really considered that non-Irish could be allowed into the guards. I thought things like that would be deemed to be like a national security thing.

What jobs are only given to Irish people? I assume judges would be a key one, surely?

Can I go to America and be a cop, and fire guns and stuff? Genuine question.

https://m.facebook.com/IrelandSaysNo.DSN/photos/a.850657604960748.1073741827.850647988295043/1504350302924805/?type=3

25-04-2018 4:05am

D Trent wrote: »

https://m.facebook.com/IrelandSaysNo.DSN/photos/a.850657604960748.1073741827.850647988295043/1504350302924805/?type=3

Interesting.. What about like TDs? I always just assumed these were protected jobs in every country.

D Trent · 25-04-2018 4:08am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Interesting.. What about like TDs? I always just assumed these were protected jobs in every country.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katherine_Zappone

25-04-2018 4:19am

D Trent wrote: »

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katherine_Zappone

So that woman is an Irish citizen, and I assume the judge is.

In the OP's article, it said the Bangladeshi guy had EU residency rights here. Assuming that doesn't mean Irish citizenship, I don't think he should be allowed in the guards at all.

My brother has an Australian passport after many years there, whereas a couple of friends have some form of long-term residency. I would expect that my brother would be allowed to be an Australian policeman, but not my friends.

Bangladeshi Trainee Garda and His Sham Marriage

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