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Bangladeshi Trainee Garda and His Sham Marriage

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  • 24-04-2018 3:36pm
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    irishproduce
    Registered Users Posts: 2,810 ✭✭✭


    See on rte there is an item about a Bangladeshi chap who got himself a sham marriage and then was admitted into AGS training.

    This stuff annoys the hell out of me.
    Couple of questions arise.

    1) What are we doing bringing dodgy Bangladeshi guys in to the police force.
    There are no Bangldeshi people in Ireland, who are likely to join the Gardai.

    2) Are the Garda not a bit extra suspicious when bringing these guys for interview that broadly, they are spurious characters who shouldn't really be here in the first place.

    Bangladeshis who are here legitimately tend to be working as doctors, IT engineers and Pharmacists for example, not call centres and farm hands.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0424/956889-garda-sham-marriage/

    The whole thing is just so stupid. The fact a Bangladeshi or other similar national who wants to join the guards at all should lead to suspicion immediately.
    We are mugs.


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    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    Eh?

    Is that some sort of an attempt at a serious post?


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    irishproduce
    Registered Users Posts: 2,810 ✭✭✭irishproduce


    As serious as you'll get Sam.
    Bangladesh is not part of the EU, so when a Bangladeshi lad presents for enrollment into AGS, questions should be immediately raised as to what this person is doing here.
    Visas are issued outside the EU for areas that are of interest to us or we are short on.
    Lads entering our police force is not an area we issue visas for.
    Any made up reason for them being here, is essentially that, made up nonsense.


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    Rubberchikken
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    Maybe it shows up the interview process rhat AGS has. After all look at the quality of the top brass we're stuck with. everything flows downwards and i mean everything.


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    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    Okay so you're suggesting his immigration status should be subject to a robust check, not that simply being Bangladeshi raises questions on why he wants to be a guard?


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    bigpink
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭bigpink


    Look at Limerick it’s a joke all the Non eu people here at present


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    brianblaze
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    This is a very thinly veiled 'feckin foreigners' thread


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    irelandrover
    Registered Users Posts: 3,696 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    brianblaze wrote: »
    This is a very thinly veiled 'feckin foreigners' thread

    It wasn't veiled in any way.


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    irishproduce
    Registered Users Posts: 2,810 ✭✭✭irishproduce


    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    Okay so you're suggesting his immigration status should be subject to a robust check, not that simply being Bangladeshi raises questions on why he wants to be a guard?

    Countries outside EU yes, and of them, we have about five countries that we receive alot of people from. Bangladesh being one.


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    Grayson
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    He was legally here. He applied and went through the selection process and got in. It was later found out that he obtained his residency illegally and he left.

    How is this the guards fault?


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    Amalgam
    Registered Users Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭Amalgam


    brianblaze wrote: »
    This is a very thinly veiled 'feckin foreigners' thread

    OP is being a bit ham fisted, but.. with the gift of hindsight, the article states the trainee handed over 15,000 euro for a sham marriage. Had there been closer scrutiny, events might have played out in a different manner.


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    irishproduce
    Registered Users Posts: 2,810 ✭✭✭irishproduce


    brianblaze wrote: »
    This is a very thinly veiled 'feckin foreigners' thread

    It is absolutely not.
    It is an open attempt at highlighting the stupidity of some of our policies.
    We have loads of foreign people who provide great help to our country where we are short. Help that allows us to advance and progress.
    No point allowing dodgy lads from Bangladesh (or anywhere else) waste time trying to come in and get in to call centres, farm jobs, AGS etc


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    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    irelandrover wrote: »
    It wasn't veiled in any way.
    irishproduce wrote: »
    Countries outside EU yes, and of them, we have about five countries that we receive alot of people from. Bangladesh being one.

    More like a fcuking neon sign.

    Sham marriage aside and I'm glad that was caught, there's a cohort of people that constantly moan about people not assimilating to Irish culture. This lad or others of similar ancestry try and are subjected to this sort of rubbish, and presumably a load of additional abuse when they finally roll off the production line.


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    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    irishproduce wrote: »
    It is absolutely not.
    It is an open attempt at highlighting the stupidity of some of our policies.
    We have loads of foreign people who provide great help to our country where we are short. Help that allows us to advance and progress.
    No point allowing dodgy lads from Bangladesh (or anywhere else) waste time trying to come in and get in to call centres, farm jobs, AGS etc

    But he wasn't allowed in, he got in (or at least stayed here) illegally and has been found out.

    So what's your problem?


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    irishproduce
    Registered Users Posts: 2,810 ✭✭✭irishproduce


    Grayson wrote: »
    He was legally here. He applied and went through the selection process and got in. It was later found out that he obtained his residency illegally and he left.

    How is this the guards fault?

    His application should never have made it as far as training.
    He should have been subject to robust scrutiny immediately once a Bangladeshi passport was handed in for a Garda job.
    Unless he was a person changing role from medical, pharma, ICT or some other specialised area, then it is fairly obvious what he is doing here.


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    kneemos
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    irishproduce wrote: »
    Countries outside EU yes, and of them, we have about five countries that we receive alot of people from. Bangladesh being one.


    But he was here through marriage, not as part of an essential trade.

    The marriage was dodgy, but the interview panel obviously weren't privvy to this info.


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    irishproduce
    Registered Users Posts: 2,810 ✭✭✭irishproduce


    amcalester wrote: »
    But he wasn't allowed in, he got in (or at least stayed here) illegally and has been found out.

    So what's your problem?

    He had no business making it as far as training in AGS. None whatsoever.
    It is PC hands off policies that allowed him to get that far.
    I repeat, if applications like that are received, the applicant should be subject to scrutiny immediately, not treated as if he were John Murphy from Offaly.


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    irelandrover
    Registered Users Posts: 3,696 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    irishproduce wrote: »
    His application should never have made it as far as training.
    He should have been subject to robust scrutiny immediately once a Bangladeshi passport was handed in for a Garda job.
    Unless he was a person changing role from medical, pharma, ICT or some other specialised area, then it is fairly obvious what he is doing here.

    Can you make a list of passports and the list of jobs that they are not allowed to apply for?


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    biko
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    He was in recruit training when detectives from the Garda National Immigration Bureau discovered he and his friend married two Lithuanian women a number of years ago.

    Tbh the Garda knows well about these sham marriages, it's not the first and certainly not the last.

    The girl gets 1500 euro and the man gets to stay in Ireland.


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    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    irishproduce wrote: »
    He had no business making it as far as training in AGS. None whatsoever.
    It is PC hands off policies that allowed him to get that far.
    I repeat, if applications like that are received, the applicant should be subject to scrutiny immediately, not treated as if he were John Murphy from Offaly.

    Why?


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    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    irishproduce wrote: »
    His application should never have made it as far as training.
    He should have been subject to robust scrutiny immediately once a Bangladeshi passport was handed in for a Garda job.
    Unless he was a person changing role from medical, pharma, ICT or some other specialised area, then it is fairly obvious what he is doing here.

    Stereotyping isn't a good way to run a state. Checking documents, investigating possible wrong doing is.


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    irishproduce
    Registered Users Posts: 2,810 ✭✭✭irishproduce


    kneemos wrote: »
    But he was here through marriage, not as part of an essential trade.

    The marriage was dodgy, but the interview panel obviously weren't privvy to this info.

    The moment AGS seen the application, they should have been on it immediately.


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    pjohnson
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    irishproduce wrote: »
    He had no business making it as far as training in AGS. None whatsoever.
    It is PC hands off policies that allowed him to get that far.
    I repeat, if applications like that are received, the applicant should be subject to scrutiny immediately, not treated as if he were John Murphy from Offaly.

    So Bangladeshi's should never be allowed become Garda is the point of the thread?


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    kneemos
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    irishproduce wrote: »
    The moment AGS seen the application, they should have been on it immediately.

    Someone must have been "on it" if he got caught?


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    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    irishproduce wrote: »
    He had no business making it as far as training in AGS. None whatsoever.
    It is PC hands off policies that allowed him to get that far.
    I repeat, if applications like that are received, the applicant should be subject to scrutiny immediately, not treated as if he were John Murphy from Offaly.

    I'm sure Garda HR checked his paperwork which would have all been valid so not much more they can do.

    It was a sham marriage and he was caught, so again what is the issue?


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    irishproduce
    Registered Users Posts: 2,810 ✭✭✭irishproduce


    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    Why?

    Read my posts Sam, Bangladeshi or other such nationals have no business here unless they are on holidays, working in Hospitals, Pharmacies, big tech firms or the like.
    Working in Spar etc is not the type of Visa we hand out which allows one to progress on to AGS.
    People attempting to access blue collar roles from places outside EU better have a great reason for being here. Married to women from Lithuania or Latvia should mean robust scrutiny immediately. It should not be on RTE news a year later that the chancer got that far as to be in Templemore.


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    irishproduce
    Registered Users Posts: 2,810 ✭✭✭irishproduce


    pjohnson wrote: »
    So Bangladeshi's should never be allowed become Garda is the point of the thread?

    No, not at all.


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    Walter Bishop
    Registered Users Posts: 557 ✭✭✭Walter Bishop


    Christ just change ‘After Hours’ to ‘ranting about Muslims, foreigners, and PC libtards’ already.


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    pjohnson
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    irishproduce wrote: »
    No, not at all.

    What are you on about then?

    You allow Bangladeshi's to work in Hospitals but refuse to let them be Gardai?


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    Grayson
    Registered Users Posts: 16,136 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    irishproduce wrote: »
    The moment AGS seen the application, they should have been on it immediately.

    You can't start investigating the marriages of everyone who applies and you can't just target some people with having their marriages investigated simply because they applied for a job.


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    topper75
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    Had this chap been a policeman back in Bangladesh?

    Or is this merely diversity for diversity's sake?

    Because if it is the latter - I think a big discussion is needed as to what the heck we are doing in this country.


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