GE2020: Kildare North

marieholmfan · 03-02-2020 6:23pm

buffalo wrote: »

I got James Lawless' four-page flyer in the door today. The environment is high on my list of policy priorities, so I was interested to see what he had under a heading of 'PROVEN TRACK RECORD ON THE ENVIRONMENT' (his caps). His number one item is "Campaigning for better public transport since 2004" and number two is "Secured recycling bins in Sallins in 2008".

Campaigning doesn't make for a track record to me, so his number one actual achievement is from more than a decade ago? Further down he has a list of measures he's supported in the Dáil, but presumably he didn't propose any of them or that would be highlighted.

I'm only in Kildare a little over a year now, but none of these candidates bar Catherine Murphy has made any sort of decent impression on me in that period. The recent campaign has helped me get to know them a bit better, but I'm not seeing anyone really stand out.

You're not alone in that assessment!

L1011 · 03-02-2020 6:57pm

Got the litir from that Monahan candidate today. Almost solely focused on mental health services and Naas specifically.

Fall_Guy · 03-02-2020 7:18pm

Scoundrel wrote: »

I personally only give preferences for candidates/parties I agree with in some way i'll never vote for FF or FG ever or renua aontu or any of the other assorted right wing nutjobs. PS a renua leaflet landed in the post today was swiftly deposited into the bin they must be using the last of their money from the state to send them out.

If you are truly opposed to ff, fg, renua, aontu etc you are doing yourself a disservice by not voting all the way down the list. The STV system gives you the power to potentially hinder those you oppose as well as help those you support, and by not voting all the way down you forfeit that power.

I do my vote in reverse order, starting with my least favoured candidate and work my way back up!

Mantis Toboggan · 03-02-2020 10:28pm

Not a big FG fan but I will give Lawlor a preference as he's the only one who bothered to call and made promises on sorting out the ring road. Apart from that I'll be voting Sinn Fein number one.

pad199207 · 03-02-2020 11:09pm

I’ve always voted for the same candidate and party in Kildare North, but this is the first time I’ve swinged.

Seth Brundle · 03-02-2020 11:26pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Not a big FG fan but I will give Lawlor a preference as he's the only one who bothered to call and made promises on sorting out the ring road. Apart from that I'll be voting Sinn Fein number one.

Honestly, you should vote for someone based on their parties policies, not on public appearances.

Mantis Toboggan · 03-02-2020 11:29pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Honestly, you should vote for someone based on their parties policies, not on public appearances.

As I said I'm voting Sinn Fein.

marieholmfan · 04-02-2020 8:20am

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Honestly, you should vote for someone based on their parties policies, not on public appearances.

I dont agree. You can vote however you want for any reason you want

ShyMets · 04-02-2020 10:25am

With Sinn Fein surging in the polls does anyone reckon Réada Cronin has a chance.

Scoundrel · 04-02-2020 10:30am

Fall_Guy wrote: »

If you are truly opposed to ff, fg, renua, aontu etc you are doing yourself a disservice by not voting all the way down the list. The STV system gives you the power to potentially hinder those you oppose as well as help those you support, and by not voting all the way down you forfeit that power.

I do my vote in reverse order, starting with my least favoured candidate and work my way back up!

I'll be giving my preferences all the way down apart from the above mentioned I just couldn't stomach giving any of them a preference of any sort even a 6 or 7.

scheister · 04-02-2020 10:39am

ShyMets wrote: »

With Sinn Fein surging in the polls does anyone reckon Réada Cronin has a chance.

it is an interesting point and one that is being over looked.

Looking at the LE19 SF polled 9.48% nationally and 4.46% in Kildare. Assuming SF poll 25% nationally would mean 11.76% (assuming same ratio) in Kildare North which would leave her outside a seat.

marieholmfan · 04-02-2020 10:42am

ShyMets wrote: »

With Sinn Fein surging in the polls does anyone reckon Réada Cronin has a chance.

Is she popular in Clane?

If I thought she had a chance I would give her a preference.

Rosahane · 04-02-2020 10:42am

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Not a big FG fan but I will give Lawlor a preference as he's the only one who bothered to call and made promises on sorting out the ring road. Apart from that I'll be voting Sinn Fein number one.

Lawlor is the only candidate that I have anytime for.

Looking at who I will give my preferences to so I can avoid helping O’Rourke, Stagg and Durkan and could find out nothing about the SF candidate Cronin other than her election flyer. Nothing about her record as a councillor or about any community, charity or trade union work. Strange given community activism is how most people get involved in politics!

Seth Brundle · 04-02-2020 10:47am

marieholmfan wrote: »

I dont agree. You can vote however you want for any reason you want

Indeed you can but don't then complain because the policies they enact when in government go against what you want!

marieholmfan · 04-02-2020 10:47am

Rosahane wrote: »

Lawlor is the only candidate that I have anytime for.

Looking at who I will give my preferences to so I can avoid helping O’Rourke, Stagg and Durkan and could find out nothing about the SF candidate Cronin other than her election flyer. Nothing about her record as a councillor or about any community, charity or trade union work. Strange given community activism is how most people get involved in politics!

I agree with you about Lawlor I will be giving him a preference ; it's a dilemma Fine Gael have been hijacked by economic terrorists but still have many many decent members and even politicians.

Reada Cronin has been heavily involved in campaigning for Gaelscoilleanna (including scoil Ui Riada) and also helped set up that first repsonders training thing (there's a class in Kilcock this Saturday I think).

ShyMets · 04-02-2020 10:54am

scheister wrote: »

it is an interesting point and one that is being over looked.

Looking at the LE19 SF polled 9.48% nationally and 4.46% in Kildare. Assuming SF poll 25% nationally would mean 11.76% (assuming same ratio) in Kildare North which would leave her outside a seat.

I don't think she'll take a seat but I do expect her to get a solid vote. Although she does seem to be running a low key campaign. I'm in the Leixlip area and I don't recall seeing a poster or even having a flyer through the door

ghostdancer · 04-02-2020 11:03am

ShyMets wrote: »

With Sinn Fein surging in the polls does anyone reckon Réada Cronin has a chance.

still don't see it, she'll probably be in the hunt for the last seat, but I'd imagine other candidates will be far more transfer friendly.

L1011 · 04-02-2020 11:07am

ShyMets wrote: »

I don't think she'll take a seat but I do expect her to get a solid vote. Although she does seem to be running a low key campaign. I'm in the Leixlip area and I don't recall seeing a poster or even having a flyer through the door

Its questionable if she's running a campaign at all. During the locals she had some very vocal pluggers on social media; nothing at all now.

Better than the candidate in Kildare South going on holidays for the bulk of the campaign though!

ShyMets · 04-02-2020 11:48am

L1011 wrote: »

Its questionable if she's running a campaign at all. During the locals she had some very vocal pluggers on social media; nothing at all now.

Better than the candidate in Kildare South going on holidays for the bulk of the campaign though!

Makes you wonder why she is even running if she doesn't even seem to be putting in the effort to campaign. Maybe I'm wrong and she is being very active just not in Leixlip for some reason

04-02-2020 12:14pm

I gotta say I admire her confidence. Clearly the seat is considered to be "in the bag" already.

hero001 · 05-02-2020 1:48am

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Not a big FG fan but I will give Lawlor a preference as he's the only one who bothered to call and made promises on sorting out the ring road. Apart from that I'll be voting Sinn Fein number one.

When Lawlor says he will sort out the ring road, what does he mean? I know that he was fully supportive of the last, not very well though out plan, which would have moved most of the traffic out of the town centre and into residential areas, which was voted down by the councillors, despite the best efforts of KCC. He also says one of his priorities is to have the get the Naas Area Plan sorted! Although I agree that both these issues need to be dealt with, it's hard to see how he can do this as a TD, given the these are council issues. That is of course unless he is appointed at the line Minister.

Orion · 05-02-2020 9:23am

ShyMets wrote: »

Makes you wonder why she is even running if she doesn't even seem to be putting in the effort to campaign. Maybe I'm wrong and she is being very active just not in Leixlip for some reason

She's been canvassing around Prosperous and Rathcoffey at least I'm told. Focussing on the more rural areas where her tallies are higher.

ShyMets · 05-02-2020 9:39am

Orion wrote: »

She's been canvassing around Prosperous and Rathcoffey at least I'm told. Focussing on the more rural areas where her tallies are higher.

Ah I see. Strange. I would have thought that she would poll better in the more urban areas, Maynooth, Celbridge, Leixlip, etc

pad199207 · 05-02-2020 10:15am

ShyMets wrote: »

Ah I see. Strange. I would have thought that she would poll better in the more urban areas, Maynooth, Celbridge, Leixlip, etc

Hasn’t been active around The Greater Naas Area. I’ve only noticed her posters here in the last week or so. I’ll be giving her a preference regardless.

2lazytogetup · 05-02-2020 12:23pm

i never knew who the SF candidate was till just seeing it in this thread. I'd say she (assuming its a woman as name looks like it could be a female) is sick that she didnt put in the effort. As she might have got a seat on Sunday if she had got her name out there and knocked on a few doors. i live in a poorer area of Naas and iddnt have her or team call to the door. Some candidates dont bother as they dont think they could win. Just shows you, never give up, never be defeatist. ive seen one SF posterin the whole of Naas and its a photo of Mary Lou.

L1011 · 05-02-2020 12:31pm

I suspect she hasn't got many (any?) bodies to do postering / canvassing for her. Canvassing the rural areas alone won't get you in; even if every single voter you meet decides to vote for you. As many would be avoiding left-leaning parties for their climate plans (not that SFs is strong) that wouldn't happen anyway.

davegilly · 05-02-2020 8:12pm

FG/SF/Green/SD

Going by current estimations this is about 85 seats. Any chance at all?

FG doing an ok job over the last few years. They would keep some of SF's more radical policies out of sight but while allowing some change. The Greens in government would also keep the climate people happy!

I know it looks like a crazy line-up but the numbers work and at the end of the day that's all that matters. Only FF have absolutely 100% ruled out coalition with SF so could be a runner??

Seth Brundle · 05-02-2020 9:19pm

Got a four page A4 brochure for Séamus Ó Riain of Renua through the letterbox today.
My God the level of xenophobia in there. Anything that wasn't xenophobic was childish and ill-informed anti-everything nonsense.
Curious to know the numbers people in Kildare North that think his bile is worthy of a vote.

a very cool kid · 05-02-2020 9:35pm

pad199207 wrote: »

Hasn’t been active around The Greater Naas Area. I’ve only noticed her posters here in the last week or so. I’ll be giving her a preference regardless.

Why would you do this? If a FF or FG candidate acted the same blase way you'd never consider it!

Are the lies Sinn Fein spout enough for the double standard?

For what it's worth about costings etc, read the below article:

https://www.charteredaccountants.ie/News/the-sinn-fein-manifesto

Basically their policies "might" work for a year but then it all comes crashing down....

mloc123 · 05-02-2020 9:37pm

davegilly wrote: »

FG/SF/Green/SD

Going by current estimations this is about 85 seats. Any chance at all?

FG doing an ok job over the last few years. They would keep some of SF's more radical policies out of sight but while allowing some change. The Greens in government would also keep the climate people happy!

I know it looks like a crazy line-up but the numbers work and at the end of the day that's all that matters. Only FF have absolutely 100% ruled out coalition with SF so could be a runner??

A four way coalition? It would last about 3 months

anewme · 05-02-2020 9:42pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Got a four page A4 brochure for Séamus Ó Riain of Renua through the letterbox today.
My God the level of xenophobia in there. Anything that wasn't xenophobic was childish and ill-informed anti-everything nonsense.
Curious to know the numbers people in Kildare North that think his bile is worthy of a vote.

I got that in the letterbox when I got home yesterday. I hadn't encountered Renua before.

I was really shocked at the content.

Mantis Toboggan · 05-02-2020 9:44pm

They're all liars, sure I'm still waiting on Fine Gael to get rid of the HSE or USC like they said they would! These people promise the sun moon and stars and once they get into power it all goes out the window.

L1011 · 05-02-2020 10:20pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Got a four page A4 brochure for Séamus Ó Riain of Renua through the letterbox today.
My God the level of xenophobia in there. Anything that wasn't xenophobic was childish and ill-informed anti-everything nonsense.
Curious to know the numbers people in Kildare North that think his bile is worthy of a vote.

Nice to see they're using every last cent of that state funding before it expires for good. And thank feck I don't have a letterbox! (Only have an An Post lockbox)

Mancomb Seepgood · 05-02-2020 10:35pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Got a four page A4 brochure for Séamus Ó Riain of Renua through the letterbox today.
My God the level of xenophobia in there. Anything that wasn't xenophobic was childish and ill-informed anti-everything nonsense.
Curious to know the numbers people in Kildare North that think his bile is worthy of a vote.

Got that the other day,alarmingly he's a teacher!Has the air of someone who spends a lot of time arguing with strangers on Reddit or certain forums on this site.

Also got two flyers for Reada Cronin (SF) yesterday,first I've seen or heard about her.

mickey15ie · 05-02-2020 10:42pm

Evening All,

New to the area and living in Leixlip. Who is who in the election? I havent had one candidate call and not much information about so would be only voting based on party preference

L1011 · 05-02-2020 10:45pm

mickey15ie wrote: »

Evening All,

New to the area and living in Leixlip. Who is who in the election? I havent had one candidate call and not much information about so would be only voting based on party preference

http://kildarereturningofficer.com/index.php/8-general-information/23-candidates-for-kildare-north - scan back through the thread and all candidates get mentioned in either or both good and bad ways

buffalo · 06-02-2020 1:01am

mickey15ie wrote: »

Evening All,

New to the area and living in Leixlip. Who is who in the election? I havent had one candidate call and not much information about so would be only voting based on party preference

If you got this month's Link magazine in your letterbox, that actually contains the best candidate run-down that I've seen. Everyone gets a paragraph of a pitch, written by the runners themselves (or that's how it reads).

Apart from the PBP candidate, he gets a duplicate of one of the Independents (maybe vice versa). Otherwise each candidate had a chance to lay out experience, priorities, policies, etc. I'll post a pic tomorrow if I think of it.

buffalo · 06-02-2020 10:56am

buffalo wrote: »

If you got this month's Link magazine in your letterbox, that actually contains the best candidate run-down that I've seen. Everyone gets a paragraph of a pitch, written by the runners themselves (or that's how it reads).

Apart from the PBP candidate, he gets a duplicate of one of the Independents (maybe vice versa). Otherwise each candidate had a chance to lay out experience, priorities, policies, etc. I'll post a pic tomorrow if I think of it.

Apologies if these come out massive and/or unreadable...

L1011 · 06-02-2020 11:00am

I suspect that it was Swords reply the printed for Mahon from the content but I'm not certain.

Four year old Labour logo in use there!

buffalo · 06-02-2020 11:10am

L1011 wrote: »

I suspect that it was Swords reply the printed for Mahon from the content but I'm not certain.

Four year old Labour logo in use there!

In fairness, it's a free magazine that's mostly made up of local advertising, so I don't expect top quality journalism. That said, I expected the Liffey Champion would've done something similar last week, but was disappointed. So good effort by The Link!

I've gotten flyers from Lawless, Martin, Murphy, and O'Rourke, but I didn't have much idea who the other candidates were.

missmatty · 06-02-2020 11:55am

The Link's effort was impressive alright, had a read of it yesterday.

mloc123 · 06-02-2020 1:21pm

The Renua fella... wow

Orion · 06-02-2020 2:32pm

mloc123 wrote: »

The Renua fella... wow

That's only the half of it. Immigrants are to blame for homelessness, trolley crisis and high crime rates too according to his leaflet.

L1011 · 06-02-2020 2:34pm

I'm really quite perturbed that he's a teacher.

mloc123 · 06-02-2020 2:36pm

Orion wrote: »

That's only the half of it. Immigrants are to blame for homelessness, trolley crisis and high crime rates too according to his leaflet.

Leaflet just came in the door, sorry I missed the guy going around with them. Worrying that he is a teacher alright, no doubt spreading his hate to kids every day

Scoundrel · 06-02-2020 3:26pm

L1011 wrote: »

I'm really quite perturbed that he's a teacher.

A history teacher no less..

ShyMets · 06-02-2020 3:29pm

Saw my first Reada Cronin election post in Celbridge. Hon the Reada. You really are campaigning

Mantis Toboggan · 06-02-2020 3:32pm

ShyMets wrote: »

Saw my first Reada Cronin election post in Celbridge. Hon the Reada. You really are campaigning

Probably thinking of the environment!

donspeekinglesh · 06-02-2020 6:35pm

ShyMets wrote: »

Saw my first Reada Cronin election post in Celbridge. Hon the Reada. You really are campaigning

There's more up around Maynooth now. Originally only on the Straffan Rd near the motorway, but there's now some up on the Moyglare Road and by her polling station at the Boy's school.

L1011 · 06-02-2020 7:25pm

If she gets in it'll be off a party performance and from no effort of her own. One term wonder like on the council if so

GE2020: Kildare North

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