[Superthread] Mayweather vs Pacman NO STREAMING REQUESTS

Littlehorny · 23-01-2015 9:39am

Another website claiming that Mayweather put up on twitter that Ariza is speaking the truth, so in another words this fight is still miles from happening.

TheNap · 23-01-2015 1:04pm

Dont care at this point . Sick of Mayweather and im sick of Pacman . There is loads of rights that can be made this year that will do me . Wilder v Fury . DeGale v Groves . Frampton v Quigg . GGG v Ward

The sooner they retire the better

walshb · 23-01-2015 1:10pm

TheNap wrote: »

Dont care at this point . Sick of Mayweather and im sick of Pacman . There is loads of rights that can be made this year that will do me . Wilder v Fury . DeGale v Groves . Frampton v Quigg . GGG v Ward

The sooner they retire the better

I agree. There are quite a few fights I would pay to see over Mayweather-Manny.

Spazdarn · 23-01-2015 2:02pm

I'd love to see the likes of Khan-Manny, Froch-Chavez so I'm not all that bothered, but this if it doesn't happen, it's because Floyd pu$$ied out

Joeseph Balls · 23-01-2015 2:49pm

Spazdarn wrote: »

I'd love to see the likes of Khan-Manny, Froch-Chavez so I'm not all that bothered, but this if it doesn't happen, it's because Floyd pu$$ied out

I'd love Manny to fight Khan in may seeing as Mayweather didn't fight him irregardless of his fan poll. It would be a good fight I reckon. No way Manny will outbox him. And I can't see Khan hurting Manny.

walshb · 23-01-2015 2:52pm

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

I'd love Manny to fight Khan in may seeing as Mayweather didn't fight him irregardless of his fan poll. It would be a good fight I reckon. No way Manny will outbox him. And I can't see Khan hurting Manny.

Intriguing fight. Manny IMO is too short to win on points, and Khan doesn't hit hard enough to KO Manny. Manny would likely need to KO Khan, or stop him with accumulation power. I would go with Manny by KO, but no way surprised to see Khan win a decision. Khan's height and range and speed would be very problematic for the smaller Manny.

boxer.fan · 23-01-2015 3:11pm

walshb wrote: »

Intriguing fight. Manny IMO is too short to win on points, and Khan doesn't hit hard enough to KO Manny. Manny would likely need to KO Khan, or stop him with accumulation power. I would go with Manny by KO, but no way surprised to see Khan win a decision. Khan's height and range and speed would be very problematic for the smaller Manny.

Aaaah, them small gloves. . . . . & Amir's chin. . . . .

TheNap · 23-01-2015 4:05pm

IMO Pac would destroy Khan .

Even looking at Khans recent win v Alexander , he is wide open in the exchanges . Still fighting like an amateur with his chin there ready to be plastered.

PAC by KO inside 4 rounds.

Khan should take a big pay day against Brook this year ( he wins that imo )

walshb · 23-01-2015 4:12pm

TheNap wrote: »

IMO Pac would destroy Khan .

Even looking at Khans recent win v Alexander , he is wide open in the exchanges . Still fighting like an amateur with his chin there ready to be plastered.

PAC by KO inside 4 rounds.

Khan should take a big pay day against Brook this year ( he wins that imo )

Why would it take 4 rds if you are so confident that he'd destroy him? 4 rds to get the feel/timing etc?

It's Manny's only option I feel. He won't win on points.

Joeseph Balls · 23-01-2015 4:17pm

walshb wrote: »

Why would it take 4 rds if you are so confident that he'd destroy him? 4 rds to get the feel/timing etc?

It's Manny's only option I feel. He won't win on points.

I think Manny wins by KO, but like you said i wouldnt be surprized by Khan points.
I dont think Manny KOs inside 4. Hhan will box smart for the first few rounds. Picking Manny off but thats when Khan gets stupid. Gets too comfortable or something, starts to get brave and exchange. Manny will KO him then. After the 5th i reckon, but by no means does Manny 'destroy' him.

TheNap · 23-01-2015 4:19pm

Inside 4 rounds .

It also depends on how much Manny has left . His last few fights have been mediocre against mediocre opposition.

Khan fights like an amateur , still throws in flurrys and leaves himself open , against Manny that is is going to end bad for him.

No disrespect to Khan . I like him as a fighter . He just isnt suited to certain types of fighters . Manny being one

TheNap · 23-01-2015 4:25pm

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

I think Manny wins by KO, but like you said i wouldnt be surprized by Khan points.
I dont think Manny KOs inside 4. Hhan will box smart for the first few rounds. Picking Manny off but thats when Khan gets stupid. Gets too comfortable or something, starts to get brave and exchange. Manny will KO him then. After the 5th i reckon, but by no means does Manny 'destroy' him.

If someone has a game plan to wait and bide there time in order to tag Khan and then KO him , i'd class that as destroy . Danny Garcia allowed Khan box clever without hurting him . Then as soon as the chance arised to knock him out he did . I'd class that as destroying Khan even though he was losing up to that point.

Joeseph Balls · 23-01-2015 4:27pm

TheNap wrote: »

If someone has a game plan to wait and bide there time in order to tag Khan and then KO him , i'd class that as destroy . Danny Garcia allowed Khan box clever without hurting him . Then as soon as the chance arised to knock him out he did . I'd class that as destroying Khan even though he was losing up to that point.

Our understanding of destroying someone are different so.

TheNap · 23-01-2015 4:34pm

So Garcia didnt destroy Khan ?

The fight only went to the 4th round . He was knocked down 3 times .

walshb · 23-01-2015 4:34pm

TheNap wrote: »

Inside 4 rounds .

No disrespect to Khan . I like him as a fighter . He just isnt suited to certain types of fighters . Manny being one

Sorry, missed that.

I disagree as regards the style issue problem for Khan here. I think Khan matches up well here. He is taller, as fast if not faster, broader, bigger, rangier. Manny has no inside game, isn't particularly strong, and doesn't fight in a style that oozes strength. Manny is a mid to long range fighter. Beats you with volume and speed, and angled attacks. Khan will relish a fighter who won't bully him, rough him up and unload only power shots. Manny likes to counter. That is fine against smaller and slower foes. With Khan he is facing a bigger and much faster kind of opponent who throws from long range, and who has an excellent output and engine.

TheNap · 23-01-2015 4:40pm

walshb wrote: »

Sorry, missed that.

I disagree as regards the style issue problem for Khan here. I think Khan matches up well here. He is taller, as fast if not faster, broader, bigger, rangier. Manny has no inside game, isn't particularly strong, and doesn't fight in a style that oozes strength. Manny is a mid to long range fighter. Beats you with volume and speed, and angled attacks. Khan will relish a fighter who won't bully him, rough him up and unload only power shots. Manny likes to counter. That is fine against smaller and slower foes. With Khan he is facing a bigger and much faster kind of opponent who throws from long range, and who has an excellent output and engine.

I agree on all of Khans attributes . I jsut dont think he will get through 12 rounds without being caught flush on the chin.

Once is is caught with a proper straight left i dont see him recovering, and it could happen anytime during the fight.

In order for Khan to win i think he'd have to make the fight as tactical as possible for the full 12 rounds . I dont think he has that in him ( hope im proved wrong )

ThunderCat · 23-01-2015 5:11pm

I think Khan gets knocked out. I think Mannys workrate and aggression is far too much for Khan to withstand for 12 rounds without taking flush shot after flush shot and his punch resistance isn't great as we all know. Khan has a far better chance against Mayweather if it ever were to happen due to the fact Mayweather will stand off him and won't press him.

To keep on track with the thread, I'm sick and tired of Floyd avoiding this fight with Manny. The only joy I'll get out of them never facing is the fact Floyd will forever be accused of ducking the best fighter out there and will be dismissed when people talk about the greatest fighters off all time. He will always have that astrix beside his name when compared to the two Sugar Rays and Ali to name but a few.

Joeseph Balls · 23-01-2015 5:35pm

TheNap wrote: »

So Garcia didnt destroy Khan ?

The fight only went to the 4th round . He was knocked down 3 times .

I'll have to watch it again. I would used destroy for Someone being boxed from one round to the next tbf.

walshb · 23-01-2015 5:42pm

Garcia was doing better than what most people thought at the time. Khan looked to be dominating, but Garcia was holding his own and setting traps. Garcia was never going to win via points. Just not busy or fast enough.

qwabercd · 23-01-2015 6:43pm

Pacquaio hasn't won inside the distance since his tko of cotto in 2009. His power has definitely diminished. I think Khan would beat him on points.

Henno30 · 23-01-2015 8:56pm

qwabercd wrote: »

Pacquaio hasn't won inside the distance since his tko of cotto in 2009. His power has definitely diminished. I think Khan would beat him on points.

His power hasn't diminished that much. After the Hatton and Cotto fights opponents stopped trying to bully him.

Ever since, most of the guys he's faced have spent the fight in reverse. Harder to knock people out when that's the case.

qwabercd · 23-01-2015 9:51pm

Henno30 wrote: »

His power hasn't diminished that much. After the Hatton and Cotto fights opponents stopped trying to bully him.

Ever since, most of the guys he's faced have spent the fight in reverse. Harder to knock people out when that's the case.

I still don't think he throws his punches with the same devestating speed/pop as before.

walshb · 24-01-2015 2:36pm

qwabercd wrote: »

I still don't think he throws his punches with the same devestating speed/pop as before.

I tend to agree. He still has enough clout to hurt Khan, but enough to KO him with one shot? Maybe.

Deiseboy01 · 24-01-2015 3:30pm

Littlehorny wrote: »

Canelo Alvarez and James Kirkland have signed up to fight in May. De La Hoya said that if Pacquiao and Mayweather agree to fight on May 2nd then Alvarez Kirkland will move a week or two later. Wonder what will the Cotto camp do now?

have to say im surprised to hear that. Good scrap though, ill be looking forward to it.

Would indicate Mayweather v Cotto in May is on.

Pighead · 24-01-2015 4:23pm

Deiseboy01 wrote: »

have to say im surprised to hear that. Good scrap though, ill be looking forward to it.

Would indicate Mayweather v Cotto in May is on.

Pac was in London yesterday with Khan and said we'll know one way or another next week if fight is on or not. When asked if he thought Floyd would agree he said 'I think so'.

megadodge · 24-01-2015 6:05pm

Littlehorny wrote: »

Canelo Alvarez and James Kirkland have signed up to fight in May. De La Hoya said that if Pacquiao and Mayweather agree to fight on May 2nd then Alvarez Kirkland will move a week or two later. Wonder what will the Cotto camp do now?

Hey 'Wild Dogger' it's happening!!

Bring on the terms dude.

Joeseph Balls · 26-01-2015 11:36pm

Pighead wrote: »

Pac was in London yesterday with Khan and said we'll know one way or another next week if fight is on or not. When asked if he thought Floyd would agree he said 'I think so'.

Sorry Pighead, agree on what? Pac v FMW or Cotto V FMW?

Pighead · 27-01-2015 11:44am

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

Sorry Pighead, agree on what? Pac v FMW or Cotto V FMW?

Pac V Floyd. 80% chance of happening now according to Pac. Looks like this one is finally happening.

Joeseph Balls · 27-01-2015 11:50am

I'll believe it, as the lads say, when the two of them are in the ring.

Does anyone else feel a bit 'meh' about it? A fight i always wanted but now I'm a bit meh. Maybe il come round if its signed

Pighead · 27-01-2015 12:00pm

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

I'll believe it, as the lads say, when the two of them are in the ring.

Does anyone else feel a bit 'meh' about it? A fight i always wanted but now I'm a bit meh. Maybe il come round if its signed

Ha ha. I'm hearing loads of people saying this and you can understand it to a degree but I guarantee that every boxing fan in here will get caught up in the excitement as fight night approaches.

Tiriel · 27-01-2015 12:30pm

Mod note: Posts from Upcoming Fights thread merged here.

SHOVELLER · 28-01-2015 5:17am

The two protagonists met cordially at the Miami Heat game tonight. First time they have ever met apparently.

I was in that arena a few weeks ago but nowhere near courtside!

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxing/boxing-stars-floyd-mayweather--manny-pacquiao-chat-briefly-in-miami-020301161.html

Henno30 · 28-01-2015 10:34am

SHOVELLER wrote: »

The two protagonists met cordially at the Miami Heat game tonight. First time they have ever met apparently.

I was in that arena a few weeks ago but nowhere near courtside!

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxing/boxing-stars-floyd-mayweather--manny-pacquiao-chat-briefly-in-miami-020301161.html

That's crazy. First time they've ever met alright. Although Floyd was ringside shouting for Manny during Pac-Morales II.

Diddley Squat · 29-01-2015 12:01am

Sceptical me says that this was a staged stunt........

which could mean that there's actually something happening behind the scenes and not just a load of media waffle

For me I say -either fight each other or both retire !

yabadabado · 29-01-2015 12:11am

SHOVELLER wrote: »

The two protagonists met cordially at the Miami Heat game tonight. First time they have ever met apparently.

I was in that arena a few weeks ago but nowhere near courtside!

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxing/boxing-stars-floyd-mayweather--manny-pacquiao-chat-briefly-in-miami-020301161.html

Surely they have met before.PAC fought on a Mayweather undercard .

kryogen · 29-01-2015 1:35am

Wouldn't necessarily mean they have met, but I did think it was a bit far fetched that they have just met now, for the first time ever. Mayweather has been to Pacman fights

Henno30 · 29-01-2015 10:09am

yabadabado wrote: »

Surely they have met before.PAC fought on a Mayweather undercard .

They hadn't. They spoke briefly on the phone once in 2012. That was it.

ThunderCat · 29-01-2015 11:18am

Diddley Squat wrote: »

Sceptical me says that this was a staged stunt........

which could mean that there's actually something happening behind the scenes and not just a load of media waffle

For me I say -either fight each other or both retire !

Not sure it was staged because apparently Manny was only there because his flight back to New York was cancelled due to the snow. But you never know.
I want to believe that the fight is going to happen but I'm sceptical due to the Canelo v Cotto fight falling through. That makes me think Floyd will fight Cotto again.
Another theory I read online was that the only reason that Floyd went over to Manny at the basketball game is because that fight with Cotto is already a done deal and he is trying to portray himself in a positive light
by speaking with Manny and when the fight falls through he can say "not my fault it didn't happen, you all saw me talk to him". Yet another theory is that the fight will go through and will be announced as a commercial during the superbowl. We'll know soon enough one way or another.

Henno30 · 29-01-2015 1:06pm

How many times have they led us up the garden path before?

All these antics should be ignored as the PR stunts they are. Never before have two fighters gotten so much mileage out of a non-existent rivalry.

None of this stuff should be treated as sincere because neither party deserves the benefit of the doubt.

Until they sign the contracts, this is just promotion for Mayweather-Cotto 2 and Pacquiao-Vargas, or whatever other bull**** fights they make after not being able to reach an agreement despite "doing all that they could."

buggy beag · 29-01-2015 5:25pm

your probaly right my friend

Henno30 · 29-01-2015 8:43pm

buggy beag wrote: »

your probaly right my friend

I hope I'm not. I hope they finally do it.

But as I said, after five years of this circus they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt. They might look on the point of signing the fight today, and then tomorrow decide that some trivial issue is 'insurmountable' and move onto different opponents.

buggy beag · 29-01-2015 9:55pm

see one of them fight khan if they didnt only upside, would prefer khan v mayweather would be the better fight imo

Diddley Squat · 03-02-2015 10:50pm

yes .

Kirby · 04-02-2015 12:29am

buggy beag wrote: »

see one of them fight khan if they didnt only upside, would prefer khan v mayweather would be the better fight imo

Khan can beat Mayweather. He can't beat pacquiao.

There is a reason he's been angling for Floyd and its not just the payday. Mayweather doesn't have the power to hurt Khan so Khan can get on his bike and use his lighting, pitter patter punches to win an ugly fight on points versus Floyd. He cant do that against Pacquiao. Pacquiao will catch him and hurt him.

buggy beag · 04-02-2015 10:32am

yeppa fully agree my friend

walshb · 04-02-2015 10:40am

Kirby wrote: »

Khan can beat Mayweather. He can't beat pacquiao.

There is a reason he's been angling for Floyd and its not just the payday. Mayweather doesn't have the power to hurt Khan so Khan can get on his bike and use his lighting, pitter patter punches to win an ugly fight on points versus Floyd. He cant do that against Pacquiao. Pacquiao will catch him and hurt him.

I agree, but still think he could win on points against Manny. Manny's only chance here is the stoppage, and can he get it against a bigger and faster and rangier man?

FTA69 · 04-02-2015 5:07pm

Of course Floyd can hurt Khan. Khan took a clean shot from blown-up lightweight Diaz and was doing the funky chicken around the ring for the better part of the round. If Floyd lands a hard counter-right on Khan's chin he'll definitely feel it. Mayweather doesn't have concussive one-punch power but he's well able to hurt people and throw a punch. Hatton was a tough fighter and Floyd KO'd him.

I agree with you that Floyd's style would suit Khan better, but the notion that Mayweather wouldn't be a threat to someone with a very weak jaw is a bit silly.

walshb · 04-02-2015 5:21pm

FTA69 wrote: »

I agree with you that Floyd's style would suit Khan better, but the notion that Mayweather wouldn't be a threat to someone with a very weak jaw is a bit silly.

I wouldn't dismiss the threat, but Floyd just doesn't seem to have that power (at this stage in his career) that I think will KO or TKO Khan, weak chin or not. I could be wrong, because Khan can be vulnerable, but I think it's a points fight, and a Khan win. Can't believe I am saying that.

Kirby · 04-02-2015 6:43pm

FTA69 wrote: »

Of course Floyd can hurt Khan. Khan took a clean shot from blown-up lightweight Diaz and was doing the funky chicken around the ring for the better part of the round. If Floyd lands a hard counter-right on Khan's chin he'll definitely feel it. Mayweather doesn't have concussive one-punch power but he's well able to hurt people and throw a punch. Hatton was a tough fighter and Floyd KO'd him.

I agree with you that Floyd's style would suit Khan better, but the notion that Mayweather wouldn't be a threat to someone with a very weak jaw is a bit silly.

Floyd hasn't knocked anybody out in donkeys years. Hatton was a long time ago and even then, it was the turnbuckle that finished Hatton. He went headfirst into it and never recovered. The button hook that precipitated it wasn't that devastating at all.

FTA69 · 05-02-2015 12:41pm

Kirby wrote: »

He went headfirst into it and never recovered. The button hook that precipitated it wasn't that devastating at all.

One of the best shots I've ever seen thrown I'd say.

The point I made above still stands, Mayweather isn't a feather-fisted fighter. He has the ability to hurt people. Getting countered when you don't expect it is worse than taking your average shot. Khan has one of the weakest chins at this level and he'd be up against a man who counters and throws a straight right with more accuracy than anyone else in the sport. As such, Khan would be perpetually in real danger of getting hurt.

Edit,

it was the turnbuckle that finished Hatton

Also this is b*llocks. He took a shot clean flush on the jaw, that's what stunned him. Not bumping the top of his head against a heavily padded corner; banging your head off the "turnbuckle" would do f*ck all. It isn't WWE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq7rmZGmLG0

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