Putting your pronoun on Linkedin

Guy:Incognito · 17-11-2019 5:05pm

yosser hughes wrote: »

Distortion of the English language to assuage a tiny, tiny percentage of people?
.

Its done all the time with stupid people, so why not anyone else?

"been" has nearly replaced being at this stage.

Though maybe that group is more than a tiny , tiny percentage............

Raconteuse · 17-11-2019 5:13pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I wouldn’t be so sure. In the UK, there have been cases of minors being prescribed life-changing medication after only a handful of consultations. I read an interview with a former employee of the Tavistock Centre where she said that.

I don’t think any minor should be given either. The surgery is irreversible. And there isn’t enough data on the effects of the hormonal treatment (and not really any ethical way to figure that out). The human brain isn’t done developing until the early-mid 20s.

Oh yeah I mean adults only. It blows my mind that the hormonal treatment is being administered to children.

Paddy Cow · 17-11-2019 5:14pm

bluewolf wrote: »

Plenty happening already. People saying they caught up in the online trans community, were coached on what to say, obsessed over it all the time. Then a few years later they woke up and realised they'd butchered themselves, the promises that were made about how they'd feel didn't come true, and any mention of this is shut down by trans people who don't want to know. One person said they just clearly weren't well the whole time and someone should have stopped them. It's really heartbreaking.
I think there is a bit of a conflict as people who need lifelong medical treatment - which will need to be paid for - would be a bit of a cash cow for medical industry, plus they don't want to be called transphobic so they would just go along with it

The bigger backlash will be when children who were pushed into it end up adults and angry at it

That's the worst part. We even have celebrities coming out now and saying that their son at 3 decided he is a girl and he's she is being raised as a girl. Ridiculous. Just because a 3/4 year old boy wants to wear Princess dresses, it doesn't make him trans.

When I was a kid I was the biggest tomboy ever. I still as an adult wouldn't be considered a "girly girt" but I'm so glad I didn't grow up in a time with woke parents who decided I was trans and convinced me that I was really meant to be born male.

TheValeyard · 17-11-2019 5:14pm

Can I make up my own pronoun now?

Paddy Cow · 17-11-2019 5:20pm

TheValeyard wrote: »

Can I make up my own pronoun now?

Of course and anyone who doesn't use it is a bigot :P

17-11-2019 5:22pm

I am [whichever jacks is closest].

high_king · 17-11-2019 5:24pm

TheValeyard wrote: »

Can I make up my own pronoun now?

I self identify as an attack helicopter, and you must provide me with a hangar

Silentcorner · 17-11-2019 5:29pm

We all know it, these poor kids are all parents of a particular class of individual, I'll bet all this gender dysphoria is happen in clusters, in affluent parts of cities.

We haven't seen this kind of madness since we experienced the moving statue phenomena of the mid 80s...incidentally, a phenomena that marked the end of the grip the Church had on the collective psyche of this country.

Anyone can see why there is a movement to the political right coming, it's happening all over the developed world...it will come here soon!

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 17-11-2019 5:34pm

bluewolf wrote: »

Plenty happening already. People saying they caught up in the online trans community, were coached on what to say, obsessed over it all the time. Then a few years later they woke up and realised they'd butchered themselves, the promises that were made about how they'd feel didn't come true, and any mention of this is shut down by trans people who don't want to know. One person said they just clearly weren't well the whole time and someone should have stopped them. It's really heartbreaking.
I think there is a bit of a conflict as people who need lifelong medical treatment - which will need to be paid for - would be a bit of a cash cow for medical industry, plus they don't want to be called transphobic so they would just go along with it

The bigger backlash will be when children who were pushed into it end up adults and angry at it

That’s so sad.

Those people were pawns.

is_that_so · 17-11-2019 6:38pm

TheValeyard wrote: »

Can I make up my own pronoun now?

It is the modern way in some quarters. Any combination of letters will do!

igCorcaigh · 17-11-2019 6:45pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

We all know it, these poor kids are all parents of a particular class of individual, I'll bet all this gender dysphoria is happen in clusters, in affluent parts of cities.

We haven't seen this kind of madness since we experienced the moving statue phenomena of the mid 80s...incidentally, a phenomena that marked the end of the grip the Church had on the collective psyche of this country.

Anyone can see why there is a movement to the political right coming, it's happening all over the developed world...it will come here soon!

Well that's not true. Transgenderism has been observed across a lot of cultures throughout history. I could provide links, but do some research.

Silentcorner · 17-11-2019 6:51pm

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Well that's not true. Transgenderism has been observed across a lot of cultures throughout history. I could provide links, but do some research.

What is not true? What are you on about?

I never said anything about whether I believe that Transgenderism exists, I've no problem accepting that this ideology has been around for centuries...I just don't subscribe to it, it is currently mainstream like Catholicism was back in the 80s...

igCorcaigh · 17-11-2019 6:54pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

What is not true? What are you on about?

I never said anything about whether I believe that Transgenderism exists, I've no problem accepting that this ideology has been around for centuries...I just don't subscribe to it, it is currently mainstream like Catholicism was back in the 80s...

You said gender dysphoria happens in affluent parts of cities, implying a social trend. GD is a real thing, not an ideology.

Silentcorner · 17-11-2019 6:58pm

igCorcaigh wrote: »

You said gender dysphoria happens in affluent parts of cities, implying a social trend. GD is a real thing, not an ideology.

Read what I said again...I said "I'll bet"....I'm not the only one thinking that way, https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/08/28/ivy-league-college-deletes-link-study-claimed-peer-groups-can/

Augme · 17-11-2019 7:02pm

high_king wrote: »

Why should he ?

Id have zero interest in working for a company that does something that makes me sick to my stomach.

thunderdog · 17-11-2019 7:02pm

Work for a large Irish based company and like this we got an email during the week encouraging us to add our pronoun to our email sign off. Some sort of awareness week/month.

Boll*x to that [no pronoun required]

Potential-Monke · 17-11-2019 7:03pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

Read what I said again...I said "I'll bet"....I'm not the only one thinking that way, https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/08/28/ivy-league-college-deletes-link-study-claimed-peer-groups-can/

Proof, that even with correct academic research*, going against the trend is seen as anti-trans. You can't discuss these topics, because the people who are involved in it scream louder and shout down any ideas, thoughts or open discussions about it. People don't want that hassle, so I can understand why it's removed, but people have to start taking a stance against the shouting down of everything that might challenge the beliefs.

Also,

is my pronoun. Not my fault if you don't know how to pronounce it.

*In my opinion

beejee · 17-11-2019 7:04pm

Probably already been said, but what an efficient way to filter out freaks. Let them go for it

wakka12 · 17-11-2019 7:36pm

JCDUB wrote: »

I've never got this "they" business. "They" is plural. A person is singular. So surely if a person wants a gender neutral/non-specific pronoun he/she would use "it?"

Surely youve heard they being used as a singular pronoun before

Gynoid · 17-11-2019 7:42pm

Published today as a letter in the Times (UK)

I am the governor who resigned from the Tavistock board after Dr David Bell wrote a report containing staff concerns about the rush to medical intervention, which bypassed thorough psychological evaluation.

I did so because I believed the trust tried to bury these important concerns about an experimental treatment of vulnerable children. It also displayed its prejudice by trying to discredit Dr Bell, a respected clinician, and the staff he spoke to.

The treatment of gender- dysphoric children has become highly politicised and, in many ways, operates outside good medical practice. There is pressure to view patients as consumers who have a choice over their gender, rather than people with underlying conflicts about themselves and their relationship with society.

In the absence of long-term outcome studies, services often quote Dutch research that found positive results for transition, ignoring the small size of the cohort. Ten other studies show that 80%-90% of gender-dysphoric children desist in their wish for social or medical transition if given psychological support.

We do not know why there has been such a rapid rise in late-onset gender dysphoria in girls in the past five years, and we show little interest in the damage done by treatment. When I was governor, the Tavistock was not following up children it had seen, and yet we are carrying on as if we know what we are doing.

The mental health services will look back at this episode as another dark chapter in the treatment of people with psychological difficulties.

Marcus Evans, psychoanalyst, former deputy clinical director in adolescent and adult clinical services at the Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust

17-11-2019 10:18pm

And now girls in this school will basically be forced to change in front of a guy who is 'ecstatic' about it. as there aren't enough privacy stalls.
this is horrible. that girl is in tears

https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20191114/district-211-grants-transgender-students-unrestricted-locker-room-access

Snow Garden · 17-11-2019 10:25pm

To be honest LinkedIn has become something truly awful. It used to be simply a way to connect and find jobs. It's now full of narcissistic gob****es trying to prove that their multinational role and work is brilliant and that they are trendy and successful etc. They are the same people that define their life happiness by whatever title/band their multinational overlords have bestowed on them through their hard work and arse licking. Some day they will wake up and see how the corporate dream has consumed their lives and drained them of any real substance.

kyote00 · 17-11-2019 10:44pm

me/me/me

wakka12 · 17-11-2019 11:03pm

I dont think Ive ever not been able to tell what pronoun somebody goes by just by looking at them. And of the few trans people Ive met it was pretty obvious what gender they were trying to look so obviously courteous to addrress them as that. So seems like a big deal over nothing

Paddy Cow · 18-11-2019 12:05am

wakka12 wrote: »

I dont think Ive ever not been able to tell what pronoun somebody goes by just by looking at them. And of the few trans people Ive met it was pretty obvious what gender they were trying to look so obviously courteous to addrress them as that. So seems like a big deal over nothing

What you said makes sense but you have to remember we are living in a time where people are looking to take offence, so being reasonable doesn't cut it. Unless you are "woke" you are some sort of "ism" or "phobic". That's the new world order. It might seem insane but we just need to suck it up or pay the consequences. What you just said, although correct, could label you a transphob and set the twitterati against you.

Chris_Heilong · 18-11-2019 12:35am

Just means they are a part of this new cult, sheep will always follow.

hatrickpatrick · 18-11-2019 12:37am

Better Than Christ wrote: »

I don't know why people get so annoyed about such a tiny gesture of solidarity with trans people.

Because some of us just don't believe in the concept of gender being distinct from sex as it is currently preached and as we're currently supposed to accept without questioning or debating it.

Better Than Christ · 18-11-2019 2:35am

yosser hughes wrote: »

Distortion of the English language to assuage a tiny, tiny percentage of people?
It's not a tiny gesture, it's an an example of the tyranny of the few holding sway.

Distortion of the English language? Using the word 'tyranny' to describe something so trivial. Now that's a distortion of the English language.

You've little to be worrying about.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Because some of us just don't believe in the concept of gender being distinct from sex as it is currently preached and as we're currently supposed to accept without questioning or debating it.

I'm always inclined to shy away from 'questioning' or 'debating' some other poor fucker's life, to be honest. If the 'only asking questions' brigade calmed their tits and took a 'live and let live' approach to the whole trans issue, then it wouldn't be an issue (not for around 99% of us anyway). It's a win-win - trans people might not feel as hated and marginalised as they currently do, and you wouldn't have poor sods like Yosser there feeling oppressed or anything.

J Mysterio · 18-11-2019 2:58am

What annoys me most about the pronoun stuff is the demands people place on you to help them them deal with their shıt. They can fucķ right off with that tbh. Identify with what you want yourself, but don't ask me to jump through hoops for you.

I mean - ffs - a great many people can't even manage to use their/ there correctly.

Better Than Christ · 18-11-2019 3:04am

J Mysterio wrote: »

Identify with what you want yourself, but don't ask me to jump through hoops for you.

If everyone had that attitude, then trans people wouldn't need anyone to jump through hoops for them / show a harmless bit of solidarity with them.

An Ri rua · 18-11-2019 3:19am

J Mysterio wrote: »

What annoys me most about the pronoun stuff is the demands people place on you to help them them deal with their shıt. They can fucķ right off with that tbh. Identify with what you want yourself, but don't ask me to jump through hoops for you.

I mean - ffs - a great many people can't even manage to use their/ there correctly.

Their, their, don't worry deer, it'll bee alright

Zascar · 18-11-2019 6:10am

This is truly insane. Are people actually saying in a room full of people - which may or may not contain some trans people, everyone has to identify their gender? Fine if a trans or whatever person wants to volunteer it, but forcing 10 lads to tell everyone they are lads? Come on.

BTW is anyone defending this practice or is this just a few nutters in San Francisco?

Gynoid · 18-11-2019 6:26am

bluewolf wrote: »

And now girls in this school will basically be forced to change in front of a guy who is 'ecstatic' about it. as there aren't enough privacy stalls.
this is horrible. that girl is in tears

https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20191114/district-211-grants-transgender-students-unrestricted-locker-room-access

People should watch the video at the link. It captures the atmosphere of the personalities very well. The first person may "identify" as a transwoman, but they are a man. I dont mind calling them a transwoman but I wont pretend they are a biological female. The second person is a young woman who due to a policy change no longer has privacy from any men in her changing rooms. Men who identify as transwomen or men who dont but who are exploiting a loop hole. I dont know what the solution is, because it is not nice to be cruel to people who have gender dysphoria. But what is happening now is cruel and dangerous for females.

sydthebeat · 18-11-2019 8:39am

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Because some of us just don't believe in the concept of gender being distinct from sex as it is currently preached and as we're currently supposed to accept without questioning or debating it.

That's it in a nut shell.

Those that say gender is a social construction say it as of that's a fact and that we are not supposed to argue against it.

Ash.J.Williams · 18-11-2019 8:59am

This is why we need war

Hector Savage · 18-11-2019 8:59am

Rologyro wrote: »

I saw this for the first time today on an Irish LinkedIn profile. Their name was down as “Jane Bloggs (she, her)”. This just annoyed me, I think it’s a way for people to feel sanctimonious about how “woke” they are.

Do you think this is going to actually catch on?

I think it's fantastic to be honest, a great filter to immediately discount from hiring these utter cretins.

Hector Savage · 18-11-2019 9:01am

Gynoid wrote: »

Published today as a letter in the Times (UK)
I am the governor who resigned from the Tavistock board after Dr David Bell wrote a report containing staff concerns about the rush to medical intervention, which bypassed thorough psychological evaluation.

I did so because I believed the trust tried to bury these important concerns about an experimental treatment of vulnerable children. It also displayed its prejudice by trying to discredit Dr Bell, a respected clinician, and the staff he spoke to.

The treatment of gender- dysphoric children has become highly politicised and, in many ways, operates outside good medical practice. There is pressure to view patients as consumers who have a choice over their gender, rather than people with underlying conflicts about themselves and their relationship with society.

In the absence of long-term outcome studies, services often quote Dutch research that found positive results for transition, ignoring the small size of the cohort. Ten other studies show that 80%-90% of gender-dysphoric children desist in their wish for social or medical transition if given psychological support.

We do not know why there has been such a rapid rise in late-onset gender dysphoria in girls in the past five years, and we show little interest in the damage done by treatment. When I was governor, the Tavistock was not following up children it had seen, and yet we are carrying on as if we know what we are doing.

The mental health services will look back at this episode as another dark chapter in the treatment of people with psychological difficulties.

Marcus Evans, psychoanalyst, former deputy clinical director in adolescent and adult clinical services at the Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust

Wow !
Spot on !, just wait 5/10 years till the litigation cases start!

Then it will be popcorn time!

Gynoid · 18-11-2019 9:13am

Hector Savage wrote: »

Wow !
Spot on !, just wait 5/10 years till the litigation cases start!

Then it will be popcorn time!

I just think it will be sad. The physical pain alone in the fragile human body makes me sad for them. Better to leave the body be and deal with the mental anguish and express gender however one wishes.

suicide_circus · 18-11-2019 9:18am

Hector Savage wrote: »

Wow !
Spot on !, just wait 5/10 years till the litigation cases start!

Then it will be popcorn time!

its a house of cards that cant fall quickly enough. utter madness.

is_that_so · 18-11-2019 9:22am

Better Than Christ wrote: »

If everyone had that attitude, then trans people wouldn't need anyone to jump through hoops for them / show a harmless bit of solidarity with them.

The problem about it all is how absurd it is that a single pronoun can somehow improve lives so much. One can show respect to any individual without the need for any hoops as easily as one can show disrespect without ever resorting to a pronoun.

Chris_Heilong · 18-11-2019 10:41am

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Because some of us just don't believe in the concept of gender being distinct from sex as it is currently preached and as we're currently supposed to accept without questioning or debating it.

How revolutionary of you but outside of twitter the vast majority of people do believe in gender and sex as being the same. Humans are a binary species.

Paddy Cow · 18-11-2019 12:32pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

That's it in a nut shell.

Those that say gender is a social construction say it as of that's a fact and that we are not supposed to argue against it.

Gender and sex were interchangeable until "gender studies" became a thing. Then they made up a load of bullsh!t to fill a degree course. They are a scourge on society and are making things worse.

faceman · 18-11-2019 6:20pm

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Gender and sex were interchangeable until "gender studies" became a thing. Then they made up a load of bullsh!t to fill a degree course. They are a scourge on society and are making things worse.

Gender being distinct from sex is not a new concept though. While it’s more and more a topic of discussion in modern times, trans gender practices have been part of many cultures for centuries.

faceman · 18-11-2019 6:27pm

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

How revolutionary of you but outside of twitter the vast majority of people do believe in gender and sex as being the same. Humans are a binary species.

In theory yes but scientifically even biological sex can have grey areas. Some women are born with a Y chromosome and some men are born with an X chromosome, sometimes more. Then there is hermaphroditism. There is estimated to be 8m people in the world who are intersex.

Things aren’t always black and white in nature. That’s before you consider the psychological factors.

HorrorScope · 18-11-2019 6:29pm

I wouldn’t hire anyone using this bull****, in fact they wouldn’t even make it to interview stage. This is safe space nonsense best left in the confines of the safe spaces and echo chambers of colleges & universities - the real world is a very different place and demanding people call you specific pronouns in direct opposition to your appearance is fairy nonsense.

There are 2 genders - male and female. Anything else is make believe.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 18-11-2019 6:34pm

faceman wrote: »

In theory yes but scientifically even biological sex can have grey areas. Some women are born with a Y chromosome and some men are born with an X chromosome, sometimes more. Then there is hermaphroditism. There is estimated to be 8m people in the world who are intersex.

Things aren’t always black and white in nature. That’s before you consider the psychological factors.

People with those very rare chromosomal karyotypes still tend to slot into one sex categorisation or the other though going by their characteristics.

Andreas77 · 18-11-2019 7:35pm

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

How revolutionary of you but outside of twitter the vast majority of people do believe in gender and sex as being the same. Humans are a binary species.

Sex and gender have always been distinct concepts as far as I know. Gender is performative and in many senses, socially constructed. Sex is a biological precondition. If you don't understand the vocabulary you will struggle to make sense of the issues.

HorrorScope · 18-11-2019 7:36pm

Andreas77 wrote: »

Sex and gender have always been distinct concepts as far as I know. Gender is performative and in many senses, socially constructed. Sex is a biological precondition.

No until 2018/2019 they werent, we’ve let the lunatics run the asylum in the last 2 years.

jimgoose · 18-11-2019 7:37pm

jimgoose (mickey, Big Swinging)

HorrorScope · 18-11-2019 7:40pm

jimgoose wrote: »

jimgoose (mickey, Big Swinging)

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Putting your pronoun on Linkedin

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