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Spook_ie · 23-05-2021 11:23pm

Hope this works
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/8860/images/STSHO107_2025_2025-0849?treeid=&personid=&rc=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LgD1195&_phstart=successSource&pId=8673323

Looking at last two names, Ancestry has it as Yonton and Elizabeth, does it look like Yonton to experienced eyes on here?

TIA

JustAThought · 23-05-2021 11:25pm

Spook_ie wrote: »

Hope this works
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/8860/images/STSHO107_2025_2025-0849?treeid=&personid=&rc=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=LgD1195&_phstart=successSource&pId=8673323

Looking at last two names, Ancestry has it as Yonton and Elizabeth, does it look like Yonton to experienced eyes on here?

TIA

This seems to link to the front page only.

Spook_ie · 23-05-2021 11:35pm

JustAThought wrote: »

This seems to link to the front page only.

As in Page 1 of 50?
If so then it is page 36 of 50 I'm looking at

Lizheen · 24-05-2021 2:16am

Spook_ie wrote: »

As in Page 1 of 50?
If so then it is page 36 of 50 I'm looking at

Looks like Gordon to me

Hermy · 24-05-2021 7:47am

Lizheen wrote: »

Looks like Gordon to me

Looks like Gordon to me too.

Deja Boo · 24-05-2021 8:00am

It makes more sense, but compared with the uppercase G in 113 and 130 ?

Deja Boo · 24-05-2021 8:29am

On ancestry, a correction was added to the transcribed name, as Euticus. It also shows a Eutychus (also listed as a hinge maker) and Elizabeth in the same area in 1841 after marrying in Stafford, England in 1836.

Is it possible what appeared (to the transcriber) as Yonton, was the census takers attempt at spelling as pronounced - Youtcus... ?
The t is the same as Elizabeths, and the only descender the scribe makes on previous entries is for y's and z's... so am just wondering.

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Hermy · 24-05-2021 8:40am

I think you might be onto something there Boo!

Spook_ie · 24-05-2021 2:23pm

I'm looking at the capitalised Y in Yates (next page same household) which seems different, but yes have to agree that the G doesn't match either

KildareFan · 25-05-2021 10:42am

If the enumerator entered the name 'Gordon' - then his capital G looks very like the lower case g in 'hinge'; yet the capital G in George in later entries is totally different.

Spook_ie · 25-05-2021 6:59pm

Where someone has annoted that Euytichus and Yonton are the one and same, is there a link somewhere to why they think it's the same person?

Deja Boo · 25-05-2021 7:45pm

A basic notation is usually given (click on the alternate name), like "transcription error" in the edit box. The record generally linked to someone in their tree where you can view similarities of family members, places and dates.

They added this alternate in 2010:

Spook_ie · 25-05-2021 9:23pm

Deja Boo wrote: »

A basic notation is usually given (click on the alternate name), like "transcription error" in the edit box. The record generally linked to someone in their tree where you can view similarities of family members, places and dates.

They added this alternate in 2010:

I don't get that, I do get an option to add another name though

Ancestry-co-uk-1851-England-Census-2021-05-25-21-18-04.png

What browser do you use? this is with Chrome

Deja Boo · 25-05-2021 9:34pm

chromebook, yes --- try a quick double click on Euticus, it should work

Spook_ie · 25-05-2021 10:02pm

Deja Boo wrote: »

chromebook, yes --- try a quick double click on Euticus, it should work

I dunno I can't get anything to come up, if I hover over Yonton I get "Also Eutychus Fisher " but nothing to click except as previous

Deja Boo · 25-05-2021 10:44pm

Spook_ie wrote: »

I dunno I can't get anything to come up, if I hover over Yonton I get "Also Eutychus Fisher " but nothing to click except as previous

Hmmm, we may have a different format then, sorry... This is the record ancestry shows me (where only Euticus has a hoverable link).

As it shows, when I hover over Euticus it says "This value was member-submitted. Click to see the details" and if I click (or double click) on Euticus, it shows the edit notation I posted earlier (but without the name of the submitter, which I didn't post for their privacy sake.)

I am happy to email or pm you what is shown on ancestry, if you like.

chooseusername · 28-05-2021 2:04pm

Looking for a bit of help.

Based on the following;
Father ; Michael.
Mother ; Mary
Married 1859.

Their children in order ,eldest first; Richard (born 1860), Catherine, Bridget (died young),
Mary, Bridget, Michael (could be William), Patrick, and Margaret.
What are the likely first names of the children's grandparents ?

KildareFan · 28-05-2021 2:39pm

If they followed the usual naming conventions:
Michael's father was Richard, his mother was Bridget
Mary's father was Michael or William, her mother was Catherine

chooseusername · 28-05-2021 3:00pm

KildareFan wrote: »

If they followed the usual naming conventions:
Michael's father was Richard, his mother was Bridget
Mary's father was Michael or William, her mother was Catherine

So;
Sons; 1st- Father's Father, then Mother's father
Daughters; 1st- Mother's mother, then Father's Mother
Thanks KildareFan

tabbey · 28-05-2021 3:12pm

chooseusername wrote: »

So;
Sons; 1st- Father's Father, then Mother's father
Daughters; 1st- Mother's mother, then Father's Mother
Thanks KildareFan

Most families followed this convention to some extent, but not so many did so completely.

chooseusername · 28-05-2021 3:17pm

tabbey wrote: »

Most families followed this convention to some extent, but not so many did so completely.

True,Tabbey,
but it's a good place to start.

tabbey · 28-05-2021 3:32pm

chooseusername wrote: »

True,Tabbey,
but it's a good place to start.

Provided you bear in mind that it may lead you down the wrong direction.

chooseusername · 28-05-2021 5:30pm

tabbey wrote: »

Provided you bear in mind that it may lead you down the wrong direction.

Yes, I've been there.
Can you imagine in the future looking back for Tysons and Chantells?

Hermy · 28-05-2021 6:27pm

chooseusername wrote: »

Looking for a bit of help.

Based on the following;
Father ; Michael.
Mother ; Mary
Married 1859.

Their children in order ,eldest first; Richard (born 1860), Catherine, Bridget (died young),
Mary, Bridget, Michael (could be William), Patrick, and Margaret.
What are the likely first names of the children's grandparents ?

This is not a handwriting query.

Can we please keep things on topic - thanks everyone.

chooseusername · 28-05-2021 7:13pm

Apologies,
should have put it in off-topic thread.

Spook_ie · 04-06-2021 3:50pm

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1952/04478/4174899.pdf
Entry 426
I read
23 Sept 1952
23 Belvedere Avenue ( matches address on 1911 census )
F
Widow ( need to find death of husband found a 1927 that matches)
76 ( b. circa 1876)
Home duties ( possibly )
Cause Haven't a clue what that reads!
Reported by Alice? Bergin Daughter same address ( matches 1911 census )

Any deciphering of cause of death, I'm fairly happy with the rest unless anyone is reading it differently

Cheers and thanks

Jellybaby_1 · 04-06-2021 7:49pm

Spook_ie wrote: »

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1952/04478/4174899.pdf
Entry 426
I read
23 Sept 1952
23 Belvedere Avenue ( matches address on 1911 census )
F
Widow ( need to find death of husband found a 1927 that matches)
76 ( b. circa 1876)
Home duties ( possibly )
Cause Haven't a clue what that reads!
Reported by Alice? Bergin Daughter same address ( matches 1911 census )

Any deciphering of cause of death, I'm fairly happy with the rest unless anyone is reading it differently

Cheers and thanks

Very difficult. I read what you read. Definitely Alice Bergin. Cause, Something.....something.....senility...chronic something....bed sores....2 years. Could be very wrong. Sorry can't get anything else from it.

spurious · 04-06-2021 8:16pm

I think the first cause is Myocardial Degeneration. (6/12 yrs???)
Then Senility, Chronic Cholecystitis and Bed Sores. (2 years)

04-06-2021 8:22pm

spurious wrote: »

I think the first cause is Myocardial Degeneration. (6/12 yrs???)
Then Senility, Chronic Cholecystitis and Bed Sores. (2 years)

Beat me to it! 6/12 refers to six months. I was also considering Thyrocardiac, a term not really used now.

JDERIC2017 · 11-06-2021 12:21pm

Morning, this is an obit from Irish Examiner, i have attached full file and smaller one and link, can anyone make out address of Daughter as have no record of this married daughter. thanks.

https://archive.irishnewsarchive.com/Olive/APA/INA/default.aspx?action=tab&tab=browse&pub=IEX#panel=document

ath262 · 11-06-2021 12:26pm

Mountrivers House

funeral to Aghabullogue

JDERIC2017 · 11-06-2021 12:32pm

ath262 wrote: »

Mountrivers House

funeral to Aghabullogue

Is Mountrivers house in cork?

ath262 · 11-06-2021 12:33pm

JDERIC2017 wrote: »

Is Mountrivers house in cork?

there are several - including one in Co. Cork, see Landed Estates.ie

what year is the death notice ?

ath262 · 11-06-2021 12:45pm

the word after Mountrivers House looks like Rylane, a village in Co. Cork north east of Macroom - maybe another Cork Mountrivers ?

make more sense in this case than the Carrigaline Mountrivers and it's in Aghabullogue civil parish.

ath262 · 11-06-2021 12:49pm

from Lewis Directory for Aghabulogue parish Co. Cork 'Mountrivers N. Whiting esq.'

JDERIC2017 · 11-06-2021 12:51pm

ath262 wrote: »

there are several - including one in Co. Cork, see Landed Estates.ie

what year is the death notice ?

1913

chooseusername · 11-06-2021 12:53pm

http://ir.speakingsame.com/p.php?q=Rylane,%20Co.+Cork&id=125566

ath262 · 11-06-2021 12:56pm

JDERIC2017 wrote: »

1913

Death register gives age as 69, Macroom district place of death Mounttrivers - so the Agahbullogue one. There are townlands named Rylane and Mountrivers in the parish.

Rylane townland & village on Logainm, Mountrivers townland is nearby, historic OS maps show the house

JDERIC2017 · 11-06-2021 1:00pm

ath262 wrote: »

Death register gives age as 69, Macroom district place of death Mounttrivers - so the Agahbullogue one. There are townlands named Rylane and Mountrivers in the parish.

Rylane townland & village on Logainm, Mountrivers townland is nearby, historic OS maps show the house

Thanks for the help everyone.

louis346789 · 15-06-2021 2:41pm

Hi All.
This is from an old burial record.
Looking for ideas on the name of the Mullan who was buried on the 6th May 1791.
Thank you.
Louis

stopthevoting · 15-06-2021 2:43pm

Jacobus (James)

tabbey · 15-06-2021 5:46pm

stopthevoting wrote: »

Jacobus (James)

Yes, remarkably clear for 230 years old, unless it was copied subsequently.

louis346789 · 15-06-2021 7:34pm

It's a lovely manuscript of approx 40 pages. It's the original. I photographed the pages today in the Ofiach library Armagh.a special word of thanks to the curator Mr Roddy Hegarty for facilitating me.
Thanks for deciphering James Mullen.

Mick Tator · 15-06-2021 9:15pm

I don't envy you with Mullen. One of my 2nd great grandmothers was one, from Coleraine On her marriage cert she is Mullen and her father is McMullin: the family often used Mullan and Mullins. Spread the net wide!

tabbey · 15-06-2021 9:52pm

louis346789 wrote: »

I photographed the pages today in the Ofiach library Armagh.a special word of thanks to the curator Mr Roddy Hegarty for facilitating me.
Change of personnel since I was there, is Bernard still there?
It's good to hear that it is open, I wish libraries and archives down here would cop on and reopen also.

louis346789 · 16-06-2021 8:47pm

Hi All
More help please.
The person burial on 2 Dec 1824 in Dromiskin
I wish it is a Mullen.
Looks more like millar though.

However no people called Miller in the Griffith.
Louis

stopthevoting · 16-06-2021 9:24pm

For the surname, as you say, I think it is Miller/Millar, not Mullen.
I think the second-last letter is probably E rather than A.

For the first name, it could be Richd for Richard.
That would be the letters R I C H followed by a superscript D.

I considered Michl for Michael, but the first letter does not seem to be M,
and the superscript does not look like L.

I also considered Patck for Patrick, but what should be a T is not crossed,
and there does appear to be a dot for a letter I, and a superscript letter D at the end,
and anyway it would usually be Patk rather than Patck.

So of these three names, I think Richd. is the most likely,
even though the R is difficult to make out and looks like it is two separate characters rather than one letter.

louis346789 · 17-06-2021 1:45am

I also had it as Richard.
Thank you for helping.

tabbey · 17-06-2021 9:59pm

louis346789 wrote: »

However no people called Miller in the Griffith.
Louis

Did you try the tithe applotments ( national archives of Ireland genealogy website)?, Much closer to 1824. A family of Millars could have emigrated by the time Griffith's men got to dromiskin.
Definitely Rich[ar]d Millar.

Deja Boo · 17-06-2021 10:34pm

There is a Richard Miller (protestant) listed on the 1766 Religious Census index for Dromiskin parish, Co. Louth.

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