Ireland Team Talk XI: Team of nervoUS MOD warning Post 1

DGRulz · 13-10-2019 2:29pm

Kiwis won't have played a competitive game since round one, they'll be under cooked. Retallik has no minutes under his belt. Every match from here on out is potentially Joe and Rory's last for Ireland. We've got this.

Bridge93 · 13-10-2019 2:30pm

So to win it we’re looking at potentially NZ, England, SA...

If you’re going to do it you may as well do it right!

DGRulz · 13-10-2019 2:34pm

Bridge93 wrote: »

So to win it we’re looking at potentially NZ, England, SA...

If you’re going to do it you may as well do it right!

No one can say we don't deserve it if we do it. Quarter final is maybe the best of the knockouts to get NZtoo given their history their.

mystic86 · 13-10-2019 2:36pm

Who would people like to see starting next weekend?

For me:

Healy,
Best,
Furlong,
Henderson,
Ryan,
Ruddock,
van der Flier,
Stander,
Murray,
Sexton,
Stockdale,
Farrell,
Ringrose,
Conway,
Kearney

Farrell as Aki not available as it stands, Henshaw bit off the boil, and Kearney instead of Larmour for his ability in defense and reading the backline and his positioning, because of the attacking threat of NZ.

Bridge93 · 13-10-2019 2:37pm

mystic86 wrote: »

Who would people like to see starting next weekend?

For me:

Healy,
Best,
Furlong,
Henderson,
Ryan,
Ruddock,
van der Flier,
Stander,
Murray,
Sexton,
Stockdale,
Farrell,
Ringrose,
Conway,
Kearney

Farrell as Aki not available as it stands, Henshaw bit off the boil, and Kearney instead of Larmour for his ability in defense and reading the backline and his positioning, because of the attacking threat of NZ.

His would be my side with Henshaw instead of Farrell

gamma001 · 13-10-2019 2:42pm

mystic86 wrote: »

Who would people like to see starting next weekend?

For me:

Healy,
Best,
Furlong,
Henderson,
Ryan,
Ruddock,
van der Flier,
Stander,
Murray,
Sexton,
Stockdale,
Farrell,
Ringrose,
Conway,
Kearney

Farrell as Aki not available as it stands, Henshaw bit off the boil, and Kearney instead of Larmour for his ability in defense and reading the backline and his positioning, because of the attacking threat of NZ.

Henshaw will start without a doubt. How silly would it to keep an injured center for the entire tournament only not to play him (for the big game we have been keeping him for) when he is finally fit.

Other than that, this would be my team selection except maybe earls in for Conway

Former Former · 13-10-2019 2:46pm

I can't see Conway starting ahead of Earls. That would be a massive surprise

Rockbeast2 · 13-10-2019 2:51pm

My 23 Vs. NZ:

Healy, Best, Furlong
Ryan, Henderson
POM, Stander, JVDF
Murray, Sexton
Henshaw, Ringrose
Stockdale, Earls
Kearney

Kilcoyne
Cronin
Porter
Beirne
Ruddock
Carbery*
Carty
Larmour

* Just to be outrageous! I think us winning depends on Murray playing 80, and I don't think McGrath offers enough if we are chasing game. I'd risk it ;-)

jammiedodgers · 13-10-2019 3:14pm

Niallof9 wrote: »

That’s that so. Four year cycles etc. talking of South Africa has been foolhardy for us all

We have shown nothing in the last year to worry New Zealand. 2018 seems an age away.

We have shown nothing in the last 12 months to worry New Zealand. Apart from ya know... beating New Zealand.

Niallof9 · 13-10-2019 3:19pm

jammiedodgers wrote: »

We have shown nothing in the last 12 months to worry New Zealand. Apart from ya know... beating New Zealand.

Ok sure let’s live off that. That’s should see us through. It didn’t help us subsequently but sure look it’s great.

With Sexton playing like he is we have a shot. If we are in any way off tho and throwing passes to the floor like all tournament it could be a 2012 job.

We couldn’t deal with Japan’s pace and handling so I’m struggling to see how we get a result. We needed South Africa

If we lose it will be ah look sure how could we expect to have beaten the World Champions.

I don’t know...perhaps by not playing like drains against Japan.

Our best opportunity gone in 55 minutes of madness. Ironically playing the least joe Schmidt like!!

Rockbeast2 · 13-10-2019 3:23pm

"it could be a 2012 job."

Yep, just like losing to World Cup Holders Spain 4:0"

;-)

Niallof9 · 13-10-2019 3:26pm

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

"it could be a 2012 job."

Yep, just like losing to World Cup Holders Spain 4:0"

;-)

Nah was referring to the test in Hamilton in June of that year! Thankfully I don’t think that can happen with a Schmidt team although twickers recently

For all the love of Japan this is New Zealand style rugby set by two of world rugby’s finest brains. It could get bloody in these conditions and in our form and I’ll be sickened. I hope we can do it. Need the best week of prep ever and we need to double down on our usual narrow style

Bridge93 · 13-10-2019 3:29pm

Surely 2012 is a great example of how quickly things can change? Yeah they lost 60-0 but they were also robbed of at least a draw the week beforehand

joseywhales · 13-10-2019 3:30pm

People keep making sunk cost arguments like , well it would be stupid to change style now and it would be stupid to not play henshaw because we carried him injured so far. We will play our style because it's our best chance of winning and henshaw will play because he is our best option.

I don't believe the management is prideful enough to make bad decisions based on sunk cost.

Rockbeast2 · 13-10-2019 3:30pm

Well, we're not losing 60 Nil!

We'll put up a good fight, and a couple of bounces of the ball will probably be the difference IMO.

NZ -12 is probably right handicap, but I wouldn't be shocked were we to win by 12 either...

ScissorPaperRock · 13-10-2019 3:31pm

The negativity around here these days is just so tedious.

We may lose... but what an opportunity. The lads have a shot at knocking the world champions out of the competition.

Yeah, our chances of getting to a semi-final would've been higher if we were facing South Africa.

But **** it. This is a shot at making some real history. It doesn't get much more exciting than this.

ScissorPaperRock · 13-10-2019 3:34pm

joseywhales wrote: »

People keep making sunk cost arguments like , well it would be stupid to change style now and it would be stupid to not play henshaw because we carried him injured so far. We will play our style because it's our best chance of winning and henshaw will play because he is our best option.

I don't believe the management is prideful enough to make bad decisions based on sunk cost.

How is this a sunk cost argument? This is just about practicality/feasibility... assuming we haven't practiced an alternative style sufficiently to this point, it would not be practical to change it now.

AbusesToilets · 13-10-2019 3:36pm

We can get the first score, I'd be confident of a tight game. We're no mugs with a lead, Japan game notwithstanding. I doubt NZ are particularly happy about having to play us. Joe has probably built this team with beating NZ in mind.

shootermacg · 13-10-2019 3:41pm

NZ to get a red card in the first 20 for a shoulder to the head. Ireland to win by more than a converted try!

COYBIG!

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 13-10-2019 3:44pm

ScissorPaperRock wrote: »

The negativity around here these days is just so tedious.

We may lose... but what an opportunity. The lads have a shot at knocking the world champions out of the competition.

Yeah, our chances of getting to a semi-final would've been higher if we were facing South Africa.

But **** it. This is a shot at making some real history. It doesn't get much more exciting than this.

Agreed.

Italy were genuinely furious to not be able to play against NZ, and they would have been clobbered.

highgiant1985 · 13-10-2019 3:48pm

I believe we can and will beat New Zealand next week.

Dubinusa · 13-10-2019 4:04pm

I think we have a chance. I may be wrong. If Sexton and Murray are on form and we can instill our gameplan, I think we can win

If it's pissing raining, I like our chances even more. The selection will be crucial. I would stick with Beirne at 6 and dump Kleyn. Put Pom and Ruddock on the bench.
The midfield pairing is going to be Ringrose and Henshaw. Hopefully, Henshaw improves on his last performance.
I'd start Conway and Larmour. Larmour has improved dramatically, imo and his attacking is incredible.
Hope I'm right.

The Rape of Lucretia · 13-10-2019 4:20pm

shootermacg wrote: »

NZ to get a red card in the first 20 for a shoulder to the head. Ireland to win by more than a converted try!

COYBIG!

Refs don't give red to NZ. It's somewhere in the IRB code, in the same section about all teams genuflecting and kowtowing for the haka.

WeleaseWoderick · 13-10-2019 4:20pm

Really can't wait until this match next week. F*ck the negativity!

I think we've a genuine chance of making history with a win next weekend and would say NZ would have much preferred to avoid us this early.

We're 2 from 4 against them under Joe. Would be great to make that 3 from 5 in the most important game so far.

clsmooth · 13-10-2019 4:21pm

Niallof9 wrote: »

But we did the exact same thing in multiple games. Japan for instance

Oh yeah sorry I forgot we have hidden moves we will see them next week hopefully

Niallof9 wrote: »

That’s true. Hopefully we have the game of our lives. Can’t change our style now

Niallof9 wrote: »

Nah was referring to the test in Hamilton in June of that year! Thankfully I don’t think that can happen with a Schmidt team although twickers recently

For all the love of Japan this is New Zealand style rugby set by two of world rugby’s finest brains. It could get bloody in these conditions and in our form and I’ll be sickened. I hope we can do it. Need the best week of prep ever and we need to double down on our usual narrow style

ScissorPaperRock wrote: »

The negativity around here these days is just so tedious.

We may lose... but what an opportunity. The lads have a shot at knocking the world champions out of the competition.

Yeah, our chances of getting to a semi-final would've been higher if we were facing South Africa.

But **** it. This is a shot at making some real history. It doesn't get much more exciting than this.

I wouldn’t necessarily agree with anything negative Niall has to say about Irish rugby. I’m quite optimistic going into next week. Think we can put it up to NZ. It’s a big ask and if we lose to them it’ll be no shame, but I think we might surprise a lot of people and put them under huge pressure and hopefully sneak a win.

Niallof9 · 13-10-2019 4:29pm

clsmooth wrote: »

I wouldn’t necessarily agree with anything negative Niall has to say about Irish rugby. I’m quite optimistic going into next week. Think we can put it up to NZ. It’s a big ask and if we lose to them it’ll be no shame, but I think we might surprise a lot of people and put them under huge pressure and hopefully sneak a win.

That’s fair enough everything is smooth sailing. I can’t wait for the game myself. We are where we are.

clsmooth · 13-10-2019 4:35pm

Niallof9 wrote: »

That’s fair enough everything is smooth sailing. I can’t wait for the game myself. We are where we are.

That’s the spirit! Great to hear a bit of positivity from you! Doesn’t it feel good?! Hopefully we’ll be celebrating next week

teednab-el · 13-10-2019 4:56pm

highgiant1985 wrote: »

I believe we can and will beat New Zealand next week.

Like i believe i can land on the moon eventhough i will never land there. Not a hope in hell will we win next Saturday against NZ. We dont stand a chance. We are going home lads. Enjoy the last week.

andymx11 · 13-10-2019 4:57pm

teednab-el wrote: »

Like i believe il can land on the moon eventhough i will never land there. Not a hope in hell will we win next Saturday against NZ. We dont stand a chance. We are going home lads. Enjoy the last week.

Like I believe you can spell.

teednab-el · 13-10-2019 5:00pm

ScissorPaperRock wrote: »

The negativity around here these days is just so tedious.

We may lose... but what an opportunity. The lads have a shot at knocking the world champions out of the competition.

Yeah, our chances of getting to a semi-final would've been higher if we were facing South Africa.

But **** it. This is a shot at making some real history. It doesn't get much more exciting than this.

We won't beat New Zealand lads. Stop getting ahead of ourselves. Realistically we havent a hope.

teednab-el · 13-10-2019 5:02pm

AbusesToilets wrote: »

We can get the first score, I'd be confident of a tight game. We're no mugs with a lead, Japan game notwithstanding. I doubt NZ are particularly happy about having to play us. Joe has probably built this team with beating NZ in mind.

They know they will beat and hammer us. In NZ rugby is a religion. They will destroy us.

teednab-el · 13-10-2019 5:04pm

andymx11 wrote: »

Like I believed you can spell.

You are a good man for spelling :rolleyes:

andymx11 · 13-10-2019 5:09pm

teednab-el wrote: »

You are a good man for spelling :rolleyes:

Quoting my post and changing it to look like I made a mistake - lol

Squidgy Black · 13-10-2019 5:15pm

I dunno why you bother responding lads, just giving them the attention they want.

teednab-el · 13-10-2019 5:23pm

andymx11 wrote: »

Quoting my post and changing it to look like I made a mistake - lol

You corrected it. lol

bmcc10 · 13-10-2019 5:25pm

teednab-el wrote: »

You corrected it. lol

You still upset over the people not giving you wedding gifts?

Cosmo Kramer · 13-10-2019 5:28pm

shootermacg wrote: »

NZ to get a red card in the first 20 for a shoulder to the head. Ireland to win by more than a converted try!

COYBIG!

Not sure about that, but with the current laws and their implementation there's a very good chance that a red card is going to have a huge impact on at least one knock out game.

joseywhales · 13-10-2019 5:31pm

Joking aside, I hope there are no red cards, win or lose, I want a game to wipe away the memories of the last two 1/4 finals, with at least a heroic performance, I will be thrilled with that.

Shefwedfan · 13-10-2019 5:38pm

teednab-el wrote: »

We won't beat New Zealand lads. Stop getting ahead of ourselves. Realistically we havent a hope.

I remember sitting in plane on way to Chicago.....2-3 podcast I had to turn them off....not losing by 10 was the best we could hope for.....most expected a hammering and maybe we could do something in Aviva in next game

Met the NZ team and they where full of confidence.....let’s just say the rest is history......

Shefwedfan · 13-10-2019 5:38pm

Niallof9 wrote: »

That’s fair enough everything is smooth sailing. I can’t wait for the game myself. We are where we are.

How you think Larmour went yesterday?

teednab-el · 13-10-2019 5:42pm

bmcc10 wrote: »

You still upset over the people not giving you wedding gifts?

I be more upset seeing Ireland lose to be honest

teednab-el · 13-10-2019 5:43pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I remember sitting in plane on way to Chicago.....2-3 podcast I had to turn them off....not losing by 10 was the best we could hope for.....most expected a hammering and maybe we could do something in Aviva in next game

Met the NZ team and they where full of confidence.....let’s just say the rest is history......

Hope you are right. I would love to see it.

P.Walnuts · 13-10-2019 7:55pm

joseywhales wrote: »

Joking aside, I hope there are no red cards, win or lose, I want a game to wipe away the memories of the last two 1/4 finals, with at least a heroic performance, I will be thrilled with that.

Being thrilled with a losing performance....nah

I could take bring proud of the team, but I definitely won't be thrilled with any kind of loss

Cypher_sounds · 13-10-2019 7:55pm

From BBC, on Aki:

The centre's fate will be decided at a hearing in Tokyo on Monday (11:30 BST) following his straight red card for a tackle direct to the head of Samoan fly-half Ulupano Seuteni.

Aidric · 13-10-2019 8:02pm

Shot to nothing scenario which is where Ireland tend to thrive. This All Blacks side is nowhere near vintage. They are capable of capitalizing on mistakes which works wonders against a side like SA showing their hand after a quarter of the game. Against a disciplined rigorous side like Ireland the breaks shouldn't be so forthcoming.

Schmidt is the most intelligent coach in world rugby and he has flushed NZ twice in recent years. If he pulled it off for a third time I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised.

Professor Genius · 13-10-2019 8:14pm

Aidric wrote: »

Shot to nothing scenario which is where Ireland tend to thrive. This All Blacks side is nowhere near vintage. They are capable of capitalizing on mistakes which works wonders against a side like SA showing their hand after a quarter of the game. Against a disciplined rigorous side like Ireland the breaks shouldn't be so forthcoming.

Schmidt is the most intelligent coach in world rugby and he has flushed NZ twice in recent years. If he pulled it off for a third time I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised.

Schmidt WAS the most intelligent coach in world rugby.....to say otherwise is fooling yourself. 2019 has been shocking in terms of inability to innovate once it became apparent his tactics had been found out

irishbucsfan · 13-10-2019 8:22pm

Professor Genius wrote: »

Schmidt WAS the most intelligent coach in world rugby.....to say otherwise is fooling yourself. 2019 has been shocking in terms of inability to innovate once it became apparent his tactics had been found out

Wouldn't be the first time he's been supposedly "found out" and brought the team back to the top.

13-10-2019 8:23pm

Professor Genius wrote: »

inability to innovate once it became apparent his tactics had been found out

Seems pretty obvious. Out of interest, in your opinion - which tactics were found out and what specifically have teams done to manage them?

Aidric · 13-10-2019 8:26pm

Professor Genius wrote: »

Schmidt WAS the most intelligent coach in world rugby.....to say otherwise is fooling yourself. 2019 has been shocking in terms of inability to innovate once it became apparent his tactics had been found out

Found out by who and when did it matter?

Eod100 · 13-10-2019 8:26pm

Professor Genius wrote: »

Schmidt WAS the most intelligent coach in world rugby.....to say otherwise is fooling yourself. 2019 has been shocking in terms of inability to innovate once it became apparent his tactics had been found out

Since the pools have come out it was signposted that if we got a qf we would play either SA or NZ. Why show them your game plan in the pool stages? Don't think it's a case of flipping a switch for good performance, but building momentum and with right tactics who knows

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