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Great Railway Journeys on CIE

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,521 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    They have to use up the budget on fencing for something. Some of the carry on from them is disgraceful.

    The country is destroyed with the indiscriminate use of prison grade fencing, regardless if it's needed or not.
    Has everywhere looking like a South African housing estate.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,588 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    Man goes on track.
    Man gets hit by train.
    Man killed.
    Man’s family sues claiming IE did not go to sufficient lengths to discourage access to tracks.
    Result is fencing erected to ensure same thing doesn’t happen again.

    Simple really when you think about it.

    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,521 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Man goes on track.
    Man gets hit by train.
    Man killed.
    Man’s family sues claiming IE did not go to sufficient lengths to discourage access to tracks.
    Result is fencing erected to ensure same thing doesn’t happen again.

    Simple really when you think about it.

    Man could find any number of ways to access the track, including off the public platform. It's happened before.
    Hell why don't we fence off all streets and public roads, where far more people get killed?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,756 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Man goes on track.
    Man gets hit by train.
    Man killed.
    Man’s family sues claiming IE did not go to sufficient lengths to discourage access to tracks.
    Result is fencing erected to ensure same thing doesn’t happen again.

    Simple really when you think about it.

    Any evidence of cases? Access to track here is very easy.

    The fencing here is complexly unnecessary just like in many other sites with various squares and gates constructed. There is a big difference putting up fences for prevent rock throwing off bridges and general access issues.

    Although I did hear they put a fence along Wexford quay, clear example of when fencing is actually needed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,057 ✭✭✭Vic_08


    British and Irish railways are required by law to restrict access to lines to a far higher standard than is normal in most other countries.

    AFAIR it is Victorian era laws dating from the original acts granted to allow the building of lines in the first place. Because of these laws the railways liability to anyone on their lines is high. Add this to our judiciary's love of awarding lottery winning amounts to chancers and scumbags (the LUAS tram surfer for example) when they get a boo-boo then it is no surprise railway lines are surrounded by prison fencing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,588 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    Man could find any number of ways to access the track, including off the public platform. It's happened before.
    Hell why don't we fence off all streets and public roads, where far more people get killed?

    Oh I agree. But right or wrong, that’s the reason.

    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,588 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Any evidence of cases? Access to track here is very easy.

    The fencing here is complexly unnecessary just like in many other sites with various squares and gates constructed. There is a big difference putting up fences for prevent rock throwing off bridges and general access issues.

    Although I did hear they put a fence along Wexford quay, clear example of when fencing is actually needed.

    Yes. Two cases in my town. Two suicide attempts, one “successful. Won’t be linking, you will have to take my word for it.
    There is an onus on IE to keep their property safe. The fencing does this. Bit like a building site.

    Not saying it’s right or wrong just saying how it is.

    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,756 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Yes. Two cases in my town. Two suicide attempts, one “successful. Won’t be linking, you will have to take my word for it.
    There is an onus on IE to keep their property safe. The fencing does this. Bit like a building site.

    Not saying it’s right or wrong just saying how it is.[/QUOTE}


    All I will say there is far more safety issues with members of the public and little action is taken. The fencing here is excessive and to be honest I wouldn't say Wexford station is a hot spot for trespassing or any other activity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,521 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    There is an onus on IE to keep their property safe. The fencing does this.

    If there's ways around it, there always is for the determined trespasser, it really doesn't.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭man98


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »


    All I will say there is far more safety issues with members of the public and little action is taken. The fencing here is excessive and to be honest I wouldn't say Wexford station is a hot spot for trespassing or any other activity.

    While the fencing is probably excessive here given trains would be well able to stop prior to hitting someone, there is a bit of an issue with trespassing on the site. I've seen what appeared to be a drug deal before while waiting on the platform. That area of the station, as far as I'm aware, is also used as a base for maintenance ops in the area so there is equipment, bus storage and the odd bit of permanent way infrastructure over there - but it can be accessed easily through a service road south of the station, making the fencing pointless (though there is further fencing to protect equipment). The real shame is the sheer scale of fencing along the railway across from Brownswood, visible from the old N11 - it's an absolute scar on the landscape and it's so rural that I don't see any issue with trespassing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    Friday 13th December

    8.04am Enniscorthy/Connolly an uneventful journey. Windows almost too caked with brake dust to see out of and only a minor annoyance but shortly before Connolly I needed to use the toilet - half an inch of 'fluid' lapped around the floor, no water in the taps and the basin almost overflowing.....yuk.

    Anyway, nothing compared to the return journey! My son and myself arrived at Tara Street to catch the 5.33pm ex.Connolly and that's when the trouble started. Shortly before the train was due somebody ran off the end of the Up platform and climbed onto the Loop Line bridge. All services between Pearse and Connolly were suspended and eventually an announcement over the PA persuaded most passengers to leave the station. The lone IE member of staff on duty downstairs suggested that southbound passengers walk to Pearse where some services might be turned. Asked about what passengers for beyond Greystones might do he had no information!!


    Tara%2BStreet%2B13th%2BDecember.jpeg

    We headed for Busaras in the hope of making the 6.30pm bus to Wexford where they might accept our rail tickets. This however proved impossible and we were advised to get our rail tickets stamped at Connolly and for us to get Connolly to ring Busaras and tell them to take us. The Ticket office at Connolly duly stamped our tickets but the man at the Information desk would not ring Busaras as he said he if did it for us he would have to do it for everyone! He told us to come back to him if things did not return to normal.

    The staff at the barrier were clueless as to what was happening and told us that they were being told nothing. Needless to say there wasn't any sort of a manager to be seen - well it was Friday and after 5.30pm.


    Connolly%2BDeparture%2BArrival%2Bboard.jpg


    So we missed the 6.30pm bus but knew that there was another at 7.30pm - we waited on the concourse until 7.10pm and then made our way back to the Information desk where the man on duty took pity on us and signed our tickets and rang Busaras. We got back to Busaras in the nick of time but need not have worried as the bus left ten minutes late.


    TICKETS.jpeg


    Whatever about the reasons for the delay the complete lack of information and no sign of anybody taking charge of the situation was ridiculous. The PA system at Connolly was completely useless and every couple of words of an announcement would be followed by prolonged loud static making the whole thing unintelligible. Needless to say I will be seeking a partial/full refund. Watch this space.


    PS Before anyone ask the obvious - I had insufficient cash with me to buy bus tickets and my bank cards were in Enniscorthy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭tabbey


    Fencing was required by law in the Victorian era for the safety of livestock, which would otherwise wander on to the track.

    It is not to protect humans who can walk onto the line from platforms or climb over the fence.

    On the Rosslare line there is 2 metre high fencing between the railway and the river Slaney, south of Enniscorthy, which looks ugly in such a scenic location, and when vegetation grows on it will obscure the view for passengers. As the trains on this route are so slow (to / from Dublin), the scenery is a major selling point.
    Not merely is this fencing a total waste of money, as there are no cattle, sheep or pigs grazing on the river bank, but it is another nail in the coffin of this scenic railway line.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,337 ✭✭✭dowlingm


    tabbey wrote: »
    Fencing was required by law in the Victorian era for the safety of livestock, which would otherwise wander on to the track.

    It is not to protect humans who can walk onto the line from platforms or climb over the fence.

    On the Rosslare line there is 2 metre high fencing between the railway and the river Slaney, south of Enniscorthy, which looks ugly in such a scenic location, and when vegetation grows on it will obscure the view for passengers. As the trains on this route are so slow (to / from Dublin), the scenery is a major selling point.
    Not merely is this fencing a total waste of money, as there are no cattle, sheep or pigs grazing on the river bank, but it is another nail in the coffin of this scenic railway line.
    This seems to me to be a view at variance with the workings of insurance cases in the courts (and the amount of thieving of signal cable that has been happening)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,542 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    Chris Tarrant has his Irish episode of Extreme Railway Journeys from Cobh to Londonderry broadcasting on Channel 5 at the moment. Is anyone watching it? It is really good so far. He did a stint on an Enterprise locomotive from Drogheda to Dundalk Central. Now he going on a ride on a bus to board the Peace Train very soon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭tabbey


    dowlingm wrote: »
    This seems to me to be a view at variance with the workings of insurance cases in the courts (and the amount of thieving of signal cable that has been happening)

    Cable thieves do not care about fencing, they just cut it.

    As for insurance claims, one guy sued NTA or Transdev because he claimed to have injured himself climbing over fencing at Dundrum tram station.

    The solution to insurance claims lies with the legislature, unless the law unambigously limits compensation, judges will continue to grant absurd awards.
    Legislators will only address the problem if voters express their anger at the elections.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭tabbey


    Chris Tarrant has his Irish episode of Extreme Railway Journeys from Cobh to Londonderry broadcasting on Channel 5 at the moment. Is anyone watching it? It is really good so far. He did a stint on an Enterprise locomotive from Drogheda to Dundalk Central. Now he going on a ride on a bus to board the Peace Train very soon.

    Must have been made a good while ago, the Peace Train was decades ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,563 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    tabbey wrote: »
    Must have been made a good while ago, the Peace Train was decades ago.

    Its an 80 class with the headboard from it at Downpatrick (might be the unit used, suspect not!). Show is a few years old at most.

    15mins on Channel 5+1 if you have it.

    edit: I think the show is actually new this year


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,756 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    edit: I think the show is actually new this year

    Filing took place earlier in the summer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,563 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Oof, his commentary on the cost effectiveness of Limerick-Ballybrophy won't go down well!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    Another great railway journey on CIE yesterday - well Enniscorthy/Connolly/Enniscorthy yet again - and it could have been worse. In the Up direction (8.04 ex.Enniscorthy) I was entertained by the loud conversation of a drug dealer arranging his pick-up and price per gram with a colleague via his mobile phone. He had all the gear (sorry) - tracksuit hoodie, tatoos, white runners etc. and visited the toilet at least six times on the journey to Connolly. Is this latter point a typical giveaway?


    Two trams later and I arrived at my halfway destination - Kehoe's, Sth.Anne Street but not open until after 11am so I checked into Grogan's, Sth.William Street another favourite haunt. Great place for the art collector as nearly everything on the walls is for sale - good service, sandwiches etc. too and pristine toilets!


    Grogan%2527s%2BBlurred.jpg

    The return journey (16.33 ex.Connolly) was the usual shambles on a four piece 29000 series railcar but not before an ICR turned up at the platform with all the indicators clearly showing Rosslare Europort as the destination.

    People standing until Rathdrum in my carriage but at least the open windows kept the air circulating and less chance of the virus gaining a foothold. Two officials eventually checked tickets - including, yes, the train host! In fact train host, Tom, also checked tickets and made an announcement on another train that I recently used. Working class heroes please note!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,588 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    Del.Monte wrote: »
    Another great railway journey on CIE yesterday - well Enniscorthy/Connolly/Enniscorthy yet again - and it could have been worse. In the Up direction (8.04 ex.Enniscorthy) I was entertained by the loud conversation of a drug dealer arranging his pick-up and price per gram with a colleague via his mobile phone. He had all the gear (sorry) - tracksuit hoodie, tatoos, white runners etc. and visited the toilet at least six times on the journey to Connolly. Is this latter point a typical giveaway?


    Two trams later and I arrived at my halfway destination - Kehoe's, Sth.Anne Street but not open until after 11am so I checked into Grogan's, Sth.William Street another favourite haunt. Great place for the art collector as nearly everything on the walls is for sale - good service, sandwiches etc. too and pristine toilets!

    Grogan%2527s%2BBlurred.jpg

    The return journey (16.33 ex.Connolly) was the usual shambles on a four piece 29000 series railcar but not before an ICR turned up at the platform with all the indicators clearly showing Rosslare Europort as the destination.

    People standing until Rathdrum in my carriage but at least the open windows kept the air circulating and less chance of the virus gaining a foothold. Two officials eventually checked tickets - including, yes, the train host! In fact train host, Tom, also checked tickets and made an announcement on another train that I recently used. Working class heroes please note!
    Noted!:D

    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    As part of my regular 'great' railway journeys I have the misfortune to pass along CIE's Great Wall of Shame between Greystones and Connolly and it never fails to depress me. Does nobody else notice? I refer to the epidemic of graffiti and vandalism visible along the route - nearly all of it caused by scumbags accessing the locations from the railway.

    My predecessor, Judgement Day, posted about it eight years ago here: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=76765359&postcount=2
    and things haven't improved!

    What should be the most architecturally inspiring part of the route - between Dun Laoghaire and Blackrock is like a war zone. The superb section of stone walling in the vicinity of the Yacht clubs and Irish Lights HQ is a graffiti artists playground and they seem completely oblivious to it. Beyond, the wonderful Cloncurry Towers, harbour and bathing pavilion built as compensation to a local landowner, are more wrecked every time I go past.

    The pictures below are from the opening of the line in 1834 and 1979 - in the latter view the bathing pavilion was largely intact and it's only in recent years that it has been dismantled by vandals.

    What can be done?


    TOWERS.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭tabbey


    You are absolutely right!
    As one who lives closer to this area, I have unfortunately long given up thinking about the vandalism here.
    It is a law & order issue, and sadly the voting public do not seem to care. Sooner or later, a conscientous citizen will catch one of these criminals red-handed and hopefully administer some well deserved retribution.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    Wednesday 22nd July saw me donning a face mask and taking the 06.20 express from Enniscorthy to Dun Laoghaire. A very quiet service, myself, my son and an OAP being the only passengers from Enniscorthy. As usual the ticket machine refused to accept a €50 note for my €29 fare. Ticket office not open so I boarded without a ticket.


    The friendly, and well briefed, ticket checker rang ahead to Wicklow and organised for them to sell me a ticket.


    Irish Rail have discovered how to beat social distancing problems - put on extra trains and don't tell passengers or staff about them.

    Returning south in the afternoon I found that some bright spark had decided to operate the 16.30 Connolly/Rosslare (it had been taken off due to Covid-19) but they neglected to tell staff or passengers. I had heard about the possibility of it running from the ticket checker on the outward journey. However, at Dun Laoghaire the gruff staff member in the ticket office tried to tell me that more trains were being taken off rather than added!

    Unconvinced I took the DART to Bray and checked with another staff member who told me in no uncertain terms that there was no train until the 17.33 service from Connolly. I went with my instincts and headed for the Down platform where on schedule the 16.33 ex.Connolly duly arrived - of course no platform announcements as Bray station is a shambles which it has been for most of the 50+ years that I've been using it. Nobody in charge, even the half mad young lad who runs about the place dispensing information but not in any sort of uniform, was missing.

    Three people disembarked from the 4-piece ICR and I boarded to find myself the sole occupant. This remained the situation until Gorey when the checker appeared and two passengers. Combine this sort of nonsense with a massive amount of serious lineside works on the entire route south of Greystones and you have to fear for the future of the line. Great for the contractors clear felling trees, building embankments and culverts, installing fencing but what is it costing and why is a lot of it actually needed?


    16.30%2Bfrom%2BConnolly.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,146 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    just another day of even worse crap for the users of this particular line compared to others, there is a surprise.
    staff not being informed of what is happening or not is a long held tradition of the rosslare line, being going on as long as i remember, as is passengers only finding out something just by turning up.

    surprised an ICR was operating on the week day, 29 heaps of junk have been doing it for the last while, at least they have opening windows i suppose and that's the only thing going for them, but that wouldn't have been the reason for their pollution of the line again, and they are even more of the absolute pits now then they ever were, they need a serious refurbishment.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,588 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    Del.Monte wrote: »
    Wednesday 22nd July saw me donning a face mask and taking the 06.20 express from Enniscorthy to Dun Laoghaire. A very quiet service, myself, my son and an OAP being the only passengers from Enniscorthy. As usual the ticket machine refused to accept a €50 note for my €29 fare. Ticket office not open so I boarded without a ticket.


    The friendly, and well briefed, ticket checker rang ahead to Wicklow and organised for them to sell me a ticket.


    Irish Rail have discovered how to beat social distancing problems - put on extra trains and don't tell passengers or staff about them.

    Returning south in the afternoon I found that some bright spark had decided to operate the 16.30 Connolly/Rosslare (it had been taken off due to Covid-19) but they neglected to tell staff or passengers. I had heard about the possibility of it running from the ticket checker on the outward journey. However, at Dun Laoghaire the gruff staff member in the ticket office tried to tell me that more trains were being taken off rather than added!

    Unconvinced I took the DART to Bray and checked with another staff member who told me in no uncertain terms that there was no train until the 17.33 service from Connolly. I went with my instincts and headed for the Down platform where on schedule the 16.33 ex.Connolly duly arrived - of course no platform announcements as Bray station is a shambles which it has been for most of the 50+ years that I've been using it. Nobody in charge, even the half mad young lad who runs about the place dispensing information but not in any sort of uniform, was missing.

    Three people disembarked from the 4-piece ICR and I boarded to find myself the sole occupant. This remained the situation until Gorey when the checker appeared and two passengers. Combine this sort of nonsense with a massive amount of serious lineside works on the entire route south of Greystones and you have to fear for the future of the line. Great for the contractors clear felling trees, building embankments and culverts, installing fencing but what is it costing and why is a lot of it actually needed?


    16.30%2Bfrom%2BConnolly.jpg
    That half mad young lad as you describe him has medical condition.
    Describing someone like that as “half mad” says more about you than him.

    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,146 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    That half mad young lad as you describe him has medical condition.
    Describing someone like that as “half mad” says more about you than him.


    very unfair given del.monte probably only knows the chap to see him so is not aware of his medical situation and cannot be expected to do so unless the chap told him which it sounds unlikely that he did.
    staff not being informed of what trains are operating on the line they are based on is on the other hand ridiculous and not on, and that is ultimately the issue here and not someone being unaware of someone else's medical condition.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,588 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    very unfair given del.monte probably only knows the chap to see him so is not aware of his medical situation and cannot be expected to do so unless the chap told him which it sounds unlikely that he did.
    staff not being informed of what trains are operating on the line they are based on is on the other hand ridiculous and not on, and that is ultimately the issue here and not someone being unaware of someone else's medical condition.

    He called a young lad “half mad”. That’s a disgraceful comment regardless of knowledge of someone’s circumstances or not. It is very obvious the chap suffers from a medical condition and only someone stuck in a ‘70’s timewarp would say what was said here.

    Now stop trying to defend the indefensible please.

    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,756 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Del.Monte wrote: »
    Wednesday 22nd July saw me donning a face mask and taking the 06.20 express from Enniscorthy to Dun Laoghaire. A very quiet service, myself, my son and an OAP being the only passengers from Enniscorthy. As usual the ticket machine refused to accept a €50 note for my €29 fare. Ticket office not open so I boarded without a ticket.


    The friendly, and well briefed, ticket checker rang ahead to Wicklow and organised for them to sell me a ticket.


    Irish Rail have discovered how to beat social distancing problems - put on extra trains and don't tell passengers or staff about them.

    Returning south in the afternoon I found that some bright spark had decided to operate the 16.30 Connolly/Rosslare (it had been taken off due to Covid-19) but they neglected to tell staff or passengers. I had heard about the possibility of it running from the ticket checker on the outward journey. However, at Dun Laoghaire the gruff staff member in the ticket office tried to tell me that more trains were being taken off rather than added!

    Unconvinced I took the DART to Bray and checked with another staff member who told me in no uncertain terms that there was no train until the 17.33 service from Connolly. I went with my instincts and headed for the Down platform where on schedule the 16.33 ex.Connolly duly arrived - of course no platform announcements as Bray station is a shambles which it has been for most of the 50+ years that I've been using it. Nobody in charge, even the half mad young lad who runs about the place dispensing information but not in any sort of uniform, was missing.

    Three people disembarked from the 4-piece ICR and I boarded to find myself the sole occupant. This remained the situation until Gorey when the checker appeared and two passengers. Combine this sort of nonsense with a massive amount of serious lineside works on the entire route south of Greystones and you have to fear for the future of the line. Great for the contractors clear felling trees, building embankments and culverts, installing fencing but what is it costing and why is a lot of it actually needed?


    16.30%2Bfrom%2BConnolly.jpg

    If you know the ticket machines don't accept 50e notes why did you not have smaller notes, pay with card or book a flexible ticket online. You board a train without a valid ticket and you should have been finned. Just as well there was a ticket checker there and no RPU when you got off at DL.

    In theory he should have been able to sell you the ticket but he probably wouldn’t accept 50s either.

    I think the schedules changed so quick last week getting the message to people apart from those who need it i.e. the driver takes a bit of time and that service was probably putting a set in place for resumption of 7.20 on Thursday.

    Works you mentioned have taken place on many routes over the last year so not something to worry about after years of neglect.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    If you know the ticket machines don't accept 50e notes why did you not have smaller notes, pay with card or book a flexible ticket online. You board a train without a valid ticket and you should have been finned. Just as well there was a ticket checker there and no RPU when you got off at DL.

    In theory he should have been able to sell you the ticket but he probably wouldn’t accept 50s either.

    I think the schedules changed so quick last week getting the message to people apart from those who need it i.e. the driver takes a bit of time and that service was probably putting a set in place for resumption of 7.20 on Thursday.

    Works you mentioned have taken place on many routes over the last year so not something to worry about after years of neglect.




    Yeah, it's mad stuff - a fare of €29 - a €50 note tendered in 2020 and the CIE machine can't accept it. rolleyes.png As for me paying a finn (is that the same as a fine?) - I don't think so. I usually buy a ticket at the ticket office but it was closed. Incidentally a staff member at the station warned me a while back that the machine has a habit of taking €50 notes and not returning them. Would you like me to get that in writing for you and post it here?


    With your know it all, authoritarian approach you should apply for a job with IE as you fit the profile of many of their staff. How about the fact that I pay hundreds of Euros to the company every year to travel on their sub-standard trains on the Rosslare line and you want me fined for not being able to get a ticket from their crock of ****e vending machine.



    As for your excuses about why nobody knew whether or not the 16.33 train was running - with that spin is it Barry Kenny's job you're after?


    Works on the route shouldn't worry me because it's happening everywhere.....you mean like the relaying work on the closed Nenagh branch?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,588 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    Del.Monte wrote: »
    Yeah, it's mad stuff - a fare of €29 - a €50 note tendered in 2020 and the CIE machine can't accept it. rolleyes.png As for me paying a finn (is that the same as a fine?) - I don't think so. I usually buy a ticket at the ticket office but it was closed. Incidentally a staff member at the station warned me a while back that the machine has a habit of taking €50 notes and not returning them. Would you like me to get that in writing for you and post it here?


    With your know it all, authoritarian approach you should apply for a job with IE as you fit the profile of many of their staff. How about the fact that I pay hundreds of Euros to the company every year to travel on their sub-standard trains on the Rosslare line and you want me fined for not being able to get a ticket from their crock of ****e vending machine.



    As for your excuses about why nobody knew whether or not the 16.33 train was running - with that spin is it Barry Kenny's job you're after?


    Works on the route shouldn't worry me because it's happening everywhere.....you mean like the relaying work on the closed Nenagh branch?
    Care to comment on your disgraceful post earlier?

    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,756 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Del.Monte wrote: »
    Yeah, it's mad stuff - a fare of €29 - a €50 note tendered in 2020 and the CIE machine can't accept it. rolleyes.png As for me paying a finn (is that the same as a fine?) - I don't think so. I usually buy a ticket at the ticket office but it was closed. Incidentally a staff member at the station warned me a while back that the machine has a habit of taking €50 notes and not returning them. Would you like me to get that in writing for you and post it here?

    No need to get it in writing, if the machine hasn't enough change it will accept the fare price or above and send you on your way. You will have to contact Irish Rail about a refund outstanding. The machines are progommed not to accept 50 euro notes. Why you ask, because someone who pays for a 5 euro fare will drain all the change and notes (coins before cash) from the machine if repeated by multipal people.

    So its lodgical not to accept them to ensure there is change available. Now don't quote me on this I beleive if the fare is over 30 euro they will accept 50 notes.

    You have ignored the option to purchase via card or online. There was options available to you to purchase before you boarded and legally you would be slapped with a fine if RPU caught you. Do you not have a Debit/Credit card?
    With your know it all, authoritarian approach you should apply for a job with IE as you fit the profile of many of their staff. How about the fact that I pay hundreds of Euros to the company every year to travel on their sub-standard trains on the Rosslare line and you want me fined for not being able to get a ticket from their crock of ****e vending machine.

    I would be to ambitious for IE, they would hate me plus my big mouth wouldn't get me past interview :)
    As for your excuses about why nobody knew whether or not the 16.33 train was running - with that spin is it Barry Kenny's job you're after?

    Well I would do a better job than wishy washy Barry Kenny! IE need to take a tougher tone with media.

    Did you check the journey planner, I'm sure it was in that. Again given the fluid situation schedules are changing with little notice.
    Works on the route shouldn't worry me because it's happening everywhere.....you mean like the relaying work on the closed Nenagh branch?

    I am refering to works that you mentioned, fencing, tree falling, clerence, culverts and enbankment re-enforment. Its happened accross many routes over last 18 months.

    Now you can't relay track on a live railway line can you? Given the extent of the works on Nenagh branch its more cost effective to close it rather than having to do weeks of weekend/night works.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    Care to comment on your disgraceful post earlier?


    If I must. I don't know if the lad in question has a medical condition or anything about him except that he is regularly to be seen running about the platforms at Bray station. If he does have a medical condition it's not a suitable place for him to be running about in - not that he should be anyway as it doesn't appear that he is a member of staff. I'm not surprised that he is able to since as I stated in my previous post there never seems to be anyone in charge at Bray.


    As for my 1970's mindset - that's me I'm afraid - I call a spade a spade. Can I still say that or I have dirtied my bib again in your politically correct little world?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,146 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    He called a young lad “half mad”. That’s a disgraceful comment regardless of knowledge of someone’s circumstances or not. It is very obvious the chap suffers from a medical condition and only someone stuck in a ‘70’s timewarp would say what was said here.

    Now stop trying to defend the indefensible please.


    obviously it's not so obvious or otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion.
    care to comment on the constant and typical contemptable treatment of passengers on the rosslare line that is always worse then anything on any other line?
    that's what his post was ultimately about.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,843 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    Del.Monte wrote: »
    Yeah, it's mad stuff - a fare of €29 - a €50 note tendered in 2020 and the CIE machine can't accept it. rolleyes.png As for me paying a finn (is that the same as a fine?) - I don't think so. I usually buy a ticket at the ticket office but it was closed. Incidentally a staff member at the station warned me a while back that the machine has a habit of taking €50 notes and not returning them. Would you like me to get that in writing for you and post it here?


    With your know it all, authoritarian approach you should apply for a job with IE as you fit the profile of many of their staff. How about the fact that I pay hundreds of Euros to the company every year to travel on their sub-standard trains on the Rosslare line and you want me fined for not being able to get a ticket from their crock of ****e vending machine.



    As for your excuses about why nobody knew whether or not the 16.33 train was running - with that spin is it Barry Kenny's job you're after?


    Works on the route shouldn't worry me because it's happening everywhere.....you mean like the relaying work on the closed Nenagh branch?
    What an attitude!

    The vending machines can only dispense change in coin and therefore have very sensibly been programmed not to accept €50 for fares of less than €30 so they don't run the risk of running out of coin. This has been the case for many years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,965 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Hadn't been on a DART since the start of lockdown but got one from Bray into town today to do a medical for a job interview. My God agree about the graffiti, it was hurting my eyes! Everything is destroyed with it... Even the last 3 months has been a major escalation, if you got the council to paint that much square footage of surface area the bill would be a couple of million.

    Ive noticed it in a lot of places though, the top of the Great Sugarloaf theres graffiti all over the stones, same for Bray Head, same for all the junction boxes or any bit of infrastructure that presents a flat surface. No protest message or attempt at art to it either just those stupid tag names everywhere. a lovely mural in the big stone shelter on the Cliff Walk of all the animals in the area destroyed

    Maybe Im just getting old but its really getting to me now. No attempt at remedial work by anyone either, once you scrawl something it will still be there a year later where before it might have been painted over or cleaned a while later, actually thats probably the reason its so bad. Look at the bridge over the Liffey directly after Tara St, do they even bother cleaning that anymore? Streetview says no:

    https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3477847,-6.2549429,3a,46.8y,120.29h,90.02t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s6WkltuL77Xw0qElNHWFs7g!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D6WkltuL77Xw0qElNHWFs7g%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D71.06239%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,146 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Quackster wrote: »
    What an attitude!

    The vending machines can only dispense change in coin and therefore have very sensibly been programmed not to accept €50 for fares of less than €30 so they don't run the risk of running out of coin. This has been the case for many years.




    nope he's quite correct.
    he was doing everything he could to pay his fare and yet he was stifled from doing so until he got to wicklow by the very company he was paying to to use the service.
    if they want to program the ticket machines in such a manner then there should be an alternative option such as an open ticket office so he could pay, buying online is not always an option for people, especially on that yoke that counts as a website.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,588 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    Del.Monte wrote: »
    If I must. I don't know if the lad in question has a medical condition or anything about him except that he is regularly to be seen running about the platforms at Bray station. If he does have a medical condition it's not a suitable place for him to be running about in - not that he should be anyway as it doesn't appear that he is a member of staff. I'm not surprised that he is able to since as I stated in my previous post there never seems to be anyone in charge at Bray.


    As for my 1970's mindset - that's me I'm afraid - I call a spade a spade. Can I still say that or I have dirtied my bib again in your politically correct little world?

    You called someone with an obvious medical problem “half mad”
    Can you not see how this is wrong?
    Nothing to do with political correctness. Your post was moronic and an absolute disgrace and none of your out of date thinking will change my mind on that.

    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,229 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    he was doing everything he could to pay his fare and yet he was stifled from doing so until he got to wicklow by the very company he was paying to to use the service.

    When paying customers are seen as an inconvenience by an organisation you know their fundamentals are upside down.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,843 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    nope he's quite correct.
    he was doing everything he could to pay his fare and yet he was stifled from doing so until he got to wicklow by the very company he was paying to to use the service.
    if they want to program the ticket machines in such a manner then there should be an alternative option such as an open ticket office so he could pay, buying online is not always an option for people, especially on that yoke that counts as a website.
    Absolute nonsense. It's up to every business to decide what methods of payment they will or won't accept.

    Do you think IE should have to facilitate some chap who shows up waving a €100 note? A €200 note?? A €500 note???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,146 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    When paying customers are seen as an inconvenience by an organisation you know their fundamentals are upside down.




    absolutely correct.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,146 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Quackster wrote: »
    Absolute nonsense. It's up to every business to decide what methods of payment they will or won't accept.

    Do you think IE should have to facilitate some chap who shows up waving a €100 note? A €200 note?? A €500 note???




    not nonsense at all, businesses generally accept multiple methods of payment so that people can pay for the service or product they are buying from the business.
    irish rail on the other hand stifle people from paying for their "service" in certain situations and that is not on, especially when they will be quick to use the fine cash cow rather quickly, when in fact the individual was actually wanting to pay but was unable to do so.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 533 ✭✭✭91wx763


    You called someone with an obvious medical problem “half mad”
    Can you not see how this is wrong?
    Nothing to do with political correctness. Your post was moronic and an absolute disgrace and none of your out of date thinking will change my mind on that.

    You've said the same thing three times.

    A question- are you saying that "mad" people (of any fraction) with learning or psychiatric difficulties who are clearly unsupervised on a railway platform on a regular basis are in an appropriate place ?


  • Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,843 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    not nonsense at all, businesses generally accept multiple methods of payment so that people can pay for the service or product they are buying from the business.
    irish rail on the other hand stifle people from paying for their "service" in certain situations and that is not on, especially when they will be quick to use the fine cash cow rather quickly, when in fact the individual was actually wanting to pay but was unable to do so.
    Exactly. Sensible businesses try to be as flexible as possible in terms of the methods of payment they accept, WITHIN REASON. That doesn't of course mean every possible method of payment though as some methods of payment are simply not practical in certain situations.

    For instance, try using a €50 note (or indeed any note) on Dublin Bus and see how far that gets you.

    Irish Rail does accept multiple methods of payment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭tabbey


    Quackster wrote: »
    Absolute nonsense. It's up to every business to decide what methods of payment they will or won't accept.
    ???

    It is not nonsense.
    It is a long standing principle that a customer is covered once he has tendered his money.

    On northern Ireland railways, the conductor comes to the boarding passenger immediately and issues a ticket. Apart from dart trains Irish rail trains generally have a guard, host or whatever on board. There is no reason why they should not be trained to issue tickets.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,588 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    91wx763 wrote: »
    You've said the same thing three times.

    A question- are you saying that "mad" people (of any fraction) with learning or psychiatric difficulties who are clearly unsupervised on a railway platform on a regular basis are in an appropriate place ?

    So? I’ll say it as many times as I like.
    If you have a problem have a look at the little triangle.
    Have a read of what you just posted. It’s absolutely moronic, to say the least.
    You are suggesting that someone with a mental(or otherwise) illness should not be allowed into a train platform. Really?

    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,588 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    Quackster wrote: »
    Exactly. Sensible businesses try to be as flexible as possible in terms of the methods of payment they accept, WITHIN REASON. That doesn't of course mean every possible method of payment though as some methods of payment are simply not practical in certain situations.

    For instance, try using a €50 note (or indeed any note) on Dublin Bus and see how far that gets you.

    Irish Rail does accept multiple methods of payment.

    Indeed. The OP knows this very well. But then again another reason for him
    to moan.

    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,588 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    not nonsense at all, businesses generally accept multiple methods of payment so that people can pay for the service or product they are buying from the business.
    irish rail on the other hand stifle people from paying for their "service" in certain situations and that is not on, especially when they will be quick to use the fine cash cow rather quickly, when in fact the individual was actually wanting to pay but was unable to do so.

    The individual must be fcuking minted. Always seems to turn up with wads of 50’s.

    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,843 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    tabbey wrote: »
    It is not nonsense.
    It is a long standing principle that a customer is covered once he has tendered his money.

    On northern Ireland railways, the conductor comes to the boarding passenger immediately and issues a ticket. Apart from dart trains Irish rail trains generally have a guard, host or whatever on board. There is no reason why they should not be trained to issue tickets.
    So, by 'long-standing principle' I should be able to hop on any train, tender any note (up to €500) regardless of the fare and the poor ticket-checker must have the required change to hand to facilitate my notions? I'm sorry but that is just beyond moronic in this day and age.

    I'm so glad we're moving more and more towards an almost-cashless society.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,208 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Irish Rail is following regulations issued by the Central Bank which limit the amount of change which can be issued.

    If the fare was 32 euro or more a 50 euro note would be accepted. All major credit and debit cards, with chip and pin or contactless are accepted


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