Man (69) attempts to legally reduce his age

suicide_circus · 08-11-2018 10:01am #1

A 69 year old Dutch man is going to court to get his age legally changed to the age he self identifies as, namely 49.

He feels discriminated against being 69 and feels his prospects of employment, opportunities and success on tinder will be greatly enhanced were he legally the age he feels like.

he likens his situation to that of transgender people.

Link: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46133262

probably a stunt but legally I wonder on what grounds the court will refuse the application? Once self identification is accepted for one aspect of ones identity, why not another aspect?

super_furry · 08-11-2018 10:02am

suicide_circus wrote: »

probably a stunt but legally I wonder on what grounds the court will refuse the application? Once self identification is accepted for one aspect of ones identity, why not another aspect?

On the basis of time passed between his birth and today I'd imagine.

Richard Hillman · 08-11-2018 10:06am

I self identify as a 65 year old, public servant. Where's my pension?

riemann · 08-11-2018 10:08am

super_furry wrote: »

On the basis of time passed between his birth and today I'd imagine.

Looks like we've got an ageist here.

minikin · 08-11-2018 10:10am

Interesting case... I now identify a year as being 24 months.... 21 again. Must get me one of those smart telephones so I can surf the webernet and get an ‘email’

Franz Von Peppercorn · 08-11-2018 10:10am

The exact kind of response you would expect from the obviously cis ageist privileged posters here

razorblunt · 08-11-2018 10:10am

Is he a Nigerian footballer?

suicide_circus · 08-11-2018 10:11am

super_furry wrote: »

On the basis of time passed between his birth and today I'd imagine.

well...yeah. but that kind of rigorous myopic logic isn't applied evenly.

inforfun · 08-11-2018 10:12am

That is Emile Ratelband who does anything for a bit of attention.
In The Netherlands we stopped taking this guy seriously before anyone had even heard about a Y2k problem.

Snake oil salesman. Prostitute d'attention.
But well... he might actually finally have accomplished international fame now.

alias no.9 · 08-11-2018 10:12am

super_furry wrote: »

On the basis of time passed between his birth and today I'd imagine.

Time is an arbitrary social construct and people experience it in different ways, why do you need to oppress this poor man? What did he ever do to you?

HappyAsLarE · 08-11-2018 10:14am

This is actually no more ridiculous than self identifying as the opposite sex.

biko · 08-11-2018 10:14am

He is doing it to show the stupidity of legal system moving away from simple biology. This whole "I identify as a ..." mess.

Edit, I personally know transgender people and have no issues with that.
You can be born a woman and later change sex to a man, that's not an issue for me.
It's when the genders limits gets blurred and people start saying there are more than two genders I disagree.

08-11-2018 10:14am

hatespeech itt where are the mods, you know the ones

igCorcaigh · 08-11-2018 10:20am

Will he have to give up his pension if he wins the case?

Roger Hassenforder · 08-11-2018 10:20am

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I self identify as a 65 year old, public servant. Where's my pension?

Congrats.
You'll get it next year.

Sign on until then

suicide_circus · 08-11-2018 10:22am

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Will he have to give up his pension if he wins the case?

he has said he will do so if he wins

igCorcaigh · 08-11-2018 10:22am

biko wrote: »

He is doing it to show the stupidity of legal system moving away from simple biology. This whole "I identify as a ..." mess.

Well, gender dysphoria is a recognised medical condition, age dysphoria isn't.

looksee · 08-11-2018 10:25am

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Well, gender dysphoria is a recognised medical condition, age dysphoria isn't.

Not yet.

OldGoat · 08-11-2018 10:28am

Time is both empirical and subjective from the observers viewpoint thus it's an arbitrary construct.

/Exhales a plume of 'flavoured' smoke.

Kevin Finnerty · 08-11-2018 10:28am

looksee wrote: »

Not yet.

I'm gonna live til I'm 314.

inforfun · 08-11-2018 10:32am

biko wrote: »

He is doing it to show the stupidity of legal system moving away from simple biology. This whole "I identify as a ..." mess.

Unfortunately not.

He is only doing it for himself and the attention.

Just a couple of links, in Dutch, to give you an idea what kind of person he is:

https://www.telegraaf.nl/entertainment/2732192/emile-ratelband-onthult-waarom-hij-20-jaar-jonger-in-paspoort-wil-zijn

https://www.telegraaf.nl/entertainment/2484231/emile-ratelband-vindt-al-drie-draagmoeders

https://www.ad.nl/show/emile-ratelband-69-zoekt-draagmoeder-om-weer-vader-te-kunnen-worden~a536a167/

Just copy\paste the links in Google translate, should work.

Penn · 08-11-2018 10:34am

HappyAsLarE wrote: »

This is actually no more ridiculous than self identifying as the opposite sex.

Age is a measure of time. Gender dysphoria is a recognised diagnosis which tends to result in clinically significant distress or impairment, likely stemming from development of the foetus.

It is more ridiculous. It is actually entirely more ridiculous.

RayCun · 08-11-2018 10:38am

inforfun wrote: »

That is Emile Ratelband who does anything for a bit of attention.
In The Netherlands we stopped taking this guy seriously before anyone had even heard about a Y2k problem.

Snake oil salesman. Prostitute d'attention.
But well... he might actually finally have accomplished international fame now.

He discovered the secret to getting attention was to appeal to the permanently outraged. He can expect the offers from Fox and the Daily Mail to come in now. And he already has his own brand of snake oil? The man was clearly thinking ahead.

suicide_circus · 08-11-2018 10:39am

Penn wrote: »

Age is a measure of time. Gender dysphoria is a recognised diagnosis which tends to result in clinically significant distress or impairment, likely stemming from development of the foetus.

It is more ridiculous. It is actually entirely more ridiculous.

what branch of medicine is this covered by?

TomSweeney · 08-11-2018 10:45am

More denial of reality nonsense.
Where will it end ?

Roger Hassenforder · 08-11-2018 10:46am

Penn wrote: »

Age is a measure of time. Gender dysphoria is a recognised diagnosis which tends to result in clinically significant distress or impairment, likely stemming from development of the foetus.

It is more ridiculous. It is actually entirely more ridiculous.

If i was travelling fast, ill age slower than you*,. But you're ok with me suffering "clinically significant distress or impairment" just so you can impose your arbitary ageist constructs based on your patriatchial timebound norms on me.

Monstrous

*May need some maths here

NIMAN · 08-11-2018 10:48am

Its because of this kind of nonsense that the worlds becoming more right wing.

People are getting fed up with the liberals saying people can be whatever they want to be, totally against all logic, and its making people call it out as BS and then they are the ones being accused of being anti-everything.

If you're 69, you're 69
If you have a penis, you're a man
If you have a vagina, you're a woman

Roger Hassenforder · 08-11-2018 10:51am

NIMAN wrote: »

If you're 69, you're 69
If you have a penis, you're a man
If you have a vagina, you're a woman

What if you've a mangina?

inforfun · 08-11-2018 10:51am

RayCun wrote: »

He discovered the secret to getting attention was to appeal to the permanently outraged. He can expect the offers from Fox and the Daily Mail to come in now. And he already has his own brand of snake oil? The man was clearly thinking ahead.

Oh, he has been a master at that

That is his car ( i think he had a couple of them) which made him of course very populair with permanently outraged at the opposite side.

He also had an Bugatti EB110 but his mechanic crashed that one for him.

antodeco · 08-11-2018 10:52am

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

What if you've a mangina?

You're a keeper!

Roger Hassenforder · 08-11-2018 10:53am

inforfun wrote: »

That fringe though.
And he wonders why he cant get some

minikin · 08-11-2018 10:59am

I’m 43 and have no idea what a tracker mortgage fringe is... grew up in the era of the basin fringe... but don’t see that here.

inforfun · 08-11-2018 10:59am

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

That fringe though.
And he wonders why he cant get some

Old picture, old hairstyle. Pic is from a 10 year old article.

His last serious girlfriend, last year was a 21 year old.
I think he is doing ok in the "getting some" department.

RayCun · 08-11-2018 11:00am

TomSweeney wrote: »

More denial of reality nonsense.
Where will it end ?

This guy, and people like him, will stop when people like you stop buying what they're selling.

He's doing this because he knows people will say, "That's stupid, just like trans people, they're also stupid, so really he's very smart for pointing out that trans people are stupid". And he'll be invited on talk shows to say that he knows this is stupid, but if other people can change their birth certs then why can't he.

Whereas if people just said, "That's stupid. He's a moron", he wouldn't get invited on shows, and he would stop doing things like this.

_Brian · 08-11-2018 11:00am

NIMAN wrote: »

Its because of this kind of nonsense that the worlds becoming more right wing.

People are getting fed up with the liberals saying people can be whatever they want to be, totally against all logic, and its making people call it out as BS and then they are the ones being accused of being anti-everything.

If you're 69, you're 69
If you have a penis, you're a man
If you have a vagina, you're a woman

This won’t be popular but I’m also sick of parents telling their kids they can be anything they want to be.

It’s jist not true, take medicine or whatever courses require 600+ points, most kids aren’t capable of that level of performance academically speaking.

It would be much better to support and encourage them to to their very best and make the best of themselves that they can be.

The problem is that even when they do their best and don’t get the 600+ points they feel like they have failed even if they have done their best.

I was among parents at a sporting event some time ago, my daughter was heading off to warm up for a race and last thing I said was” try your best and enjoy it”. Parent beside me said to their kid “if you don’t win it’s because your not trying hard enough”, truth was their kid doesn’t have the ability or skill but did enjoy competing, they’ve since left the sport as a result of constant conflict over performance.

Zorya · 08-11-2018 11:03am

If a poor delicate flower in Vancouver can have their ''human rights'' mercilessly trampled on because they cannot get a Brazilian for their stalky lady bits then I don't see why this codger can legally claim to be younger.

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/carpay-16-vancouver-women-facing-human-rights-complaints-for-refusing-to-wax-transgender-womans-male-genitalia/

RayCun · 08-11-2018 11:10am

Zorya wrote: »

If a poor delicate flower in Vancouver can have their ''human rights'' mercilessly trampled on because they cannot get a Brazilian for their stalky lady bits then I don't see why this codger can legally claim to be younger.

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/carpay-16-vancouver-women-facing-human-rights-complaints-for-refusing-to-wax-transgender-womans-male-genitalia/

ah, The Post Millenial, for all your important news

Zorya · 08-11-2018 11:16am

RayCun wrote: »

ah, The Post Millenial, for all your important news

hehe yeah I looked up their bias before i linked to them, not quite Hitler, but ya know, everyone who is not identifying as a pansexual Pleiadian otter-kin is a Nazi nowadays. Shrugs.
So, the paper is right leaning? The facts of the case stand - or do you dispute those?

RayCun · 08-11-2018 11:26am

Zorya wrote: »

hehe yeah I looked up their bias before i linked to them, not quite Hitler, but ya know, everyone who is not identifying as a pansexual Pleiadian otter-kin is a Nazi nowadays. Shrugs.
So, the paper is right leaning? The facts of the case stand - or do you dispute those?

It's outrage-farming.

Have any courts found in his favour? Is there any indication that he'd win a case?

No.

But they print it because they know that people like you go looking for "political correctness gone mad" stories as an excuse to talk about pansexual Pleiadian otter-kin.

They get traffic.

You get to feel edgy.

Just a bit more content pollution for the rest of us to live with.

ohnonotgmail · 08-11-2018 11:28am

RayCun wrote: »

It's outrage-farming.

Have any courts found in his favour? Is there any indication that he'd win a case?

No.

But they print it because they know that people like you go looking for "political correctness gone mad" stories as an excuse to talk about pansexual Pleiadian otter-kin.

They get traffic.

You get to feel edgy.

Just a bit more content pollution for the rest of us to live with.

It also gives them an excuse for their own poor behaviour. "The PC Brigade made me do it".

Zorya · 08-11-2018 11:29am

RayCun wrote: »

It's outrage-farming.

Have any courts found in his favour? Is there any indication that he'd win a case?

No.

But they print it because they know that people like you go looking for "political correctness gone mad" stories as an excuse to talk about pansexual Pleiadian otter-kin.

They get traffic.

You get to feel edgy.

Just a bit more content pollution for the rest of us to live with.

''Outrage farming''.

I like it.

If you are adverse to content pollution you are probably frequenting the wrong threads on Boards

Mrs OBumble · 08-11-2018 11:41am

biko wrote: »

You can be born a woman and later change sex to a man, that's not an issue for me.
It's when the genders limits gets blurred and people start saying there are more than two genders I disagree.

My sympathies lie the other way:

There are some people who are unlucky enough to be born with one set of chromosomes, and thw opposite sex organs. Or even wose, mixed up organs. This is where more than two comes in - and its very rare. These folk should get a lot of sympathy and accommodations made for them IMHO.

Whereas people who are born with matching bits and chromosomes but feel like they want to be opposite .... pfft .... go have a fight with social expectations of your sex, instead of trying to muscle in on mine.

Feisar · 08-11-2018 11:48am

suicide_circus wrote: »

well...yeah. but that kind of rigorous myopic logic isn't applied evenly.

Put so much more eloquently than I was gonig to say.

BoJack Horseman · 08-11-2018 11:52am

I doubt that court will go along with it.... but, once precedent is set by those with gender identity disorder, then I think it is only fair.

He probably needs a academic / medical witness to claim that "age dysphoria" is a legitimate mental disorder.

wexie · 08-11-2018 12:04pm

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

He probably needs a academic / medical witness to claim that "age dysphoria" is a legitimate mental disorder.

And if you've to believe all the craziness coming out of academia these days that may not even be too hard to do

Zorya wrote: »

If a poor delicate flower in Vancouver can have their ''human rights'' mercilessly trampled on because they cannot get a Brazilian for their stalky lady bits then I don't see why this codger can legally claim to be younger.

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/carpay-16-vancouver-women-facing-human-rights-complaints-for-refusing-to-wax-transgender-womans-male-genitalia/

Had a quick browse through that, regardless the leanings of the publisher that reads like pure blackmail. Sounds like these women have a legitimate reason for not providing the service but it's more of a 'pay up or I'll send the court and Twitterati after you'.

One of them, Shelah Poyer, is a single mom who works out of her home. JY was willing to withdraw his complaint in exchange for $2,500.

Once JY recognized that Shelah Poyer had legal representation and was going to put up a fight, he withdrew his complaint. No hearing took place.

wakka12 · 08-11-2018 12:46pm

He does extremely young to be fair to him..really hard to believe hes almost 70

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He looks early fifties

Yer Da sells Avon · 08-11-2018 1:02pm

I read about this elsewhere this morning and thought "yeah, there'll be a thread on AH about this".

mvl · 08-11-2018 2:05pm

fair play to him !
- tbh, more categories that are discriminated should push same agenda.
for example, in a binary world even, ageism seems to be affecting staff as young as 40 !

Zorya · 08-11-2018 2:05pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

I read about this elsewhere this morning and thought "yeah, there'll be a thread on AH about this".

And?

D3V!L · 08-11-2018 2:07pm

I'm going to start identifying as a 17 year old girl

Deebles McBeebles · 08-11-2018 2:10pm

wakka12 wrote: »

He does extremely young to be fair to him..really hard to believe hes almost 70

He looks early fifties

Looks like Rolf Harris had some work done.

Man (69) attempts to legally reduce his age

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