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Physics prof. states fact at CERN - gets fired

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  • 02-10-2018 12:42am
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    Pero_Bueno
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    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45709205

    So CERN caved and suspended him over an angry bunch of dour feminists.
    He stated facts.
    But the new Orwellian ministry of truth doesn't like facts if they go against the agenda.

    Sad times, all the misinformation being spread about it

    Look at this idiot
    https://twitter.com/jesswade/status/1046334690268008448

    So wrong on James Damore and wrong on this guy - "against women in STEM"
    These people just want to be victims and wallow in there false sense of inequality.


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    #2
    Pero_Bueno
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    Just saw this thread over on TGC

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108231887&postcount=3698

    spot on ..


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    JJayoo
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    In fairness if the guy is dumb enough to say this to a room full of women in 2018 then he probably shouldn't be working on any big projects.

    Think it but don't say it


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    Donald Trump
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    Well it has been predominantly men, but there might be other reasons for that.

    Two influential physicists that spring to mind would be Emmy Noether and Marie Curie


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    Pero_Bueno
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    JJayoo wrote: »
    In fairness if the guy is dumb enough to say this to a room full of women in 2018 then he probably shouldn't be working on any big projects.

    Think it but don't say it

    So where does it end ?
    CERN is supposed to be a scientific institution - for truth whatever the cost!
    This DENIAL of reality and facts!! we see it in Biology, there is a spectrum of chromosomes between XX and XY so we have a gender spectrum ???? WHAT???

    Is that coming to physics next ? or at least stats within the STEM subjects.

    I think 1984 should be mandatory reading for kids in school, this is where this is heading .


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    Grayson
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    His conclusions on the slide is that there is cultural marxsim.
    The goal of this is: more women in STEM. Indoctrinating to the ideology.

    Their “gender equality” works because it’s the usual sexism: women and men
    in their traditional gender roles of victims and protectors/providers. It’s blind
    human biology practiced as in the plains of Africa thousands of years ago.

    I said Thoughtcrime according to Minister of Truth and PC Thought Police.

    The guys nuts. Only those redpill idiots would agree with him.

    He picks studies and figures, presents conclusions for them without considering any other ideas. And then and the end chucks in a bit about african plains that he pulled out of his arse.


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    pleas advice
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    Intersectionalism, innit?

    check your privilege


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    riffmongous
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    I saw one of his graphs on the bbc, and it seemed like it was a bit misleading, at least I had quite a few questions about it and the data. It was on citations versus career age


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    pleas advice
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    [citations needed]


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    Victor
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    Pero_Bueno wrote: »
    gets fired
    He didn't work for CERN, so they didn't fire him. He was a guest speaker. CERN has just cut ties with him.


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    Deusexmachina
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    JJayoo wrote: »
    In fairness if the guy is dumb enough to say this to a room full of women in 2018 then he probably shouldn't be working on any big projects.

    Think it but don't say it

    sounds Orwellian.


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    Hector Savage
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    Grayson wrote: »
    His conclusions on the slide is that there is cultural marxsim.



    The guys nuts. Only those redpill idiots would agree with him.

    He picks studies and figures, presents conclusions for them without considering any other ideas. And then and the end chucks in a bit about african plains that he pulled out of his arse.
    So do you think there is any differences in women and men ?
    and their choices of study ?

    What about nordic countries where they have the best equality yet less women still choose to go into engineering ?
    What about areas where men are under represented ? like Psychology ?

    Not trying to rile you here, just genuinely curious - I know your field is stats and logic so I would like to see your input on this.


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    Southwest Alaska
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    There are some serious nutcase gender difference deniers out there.

    Men are more likely to be elite in their field because the potential reward has made it worth the risk to build the male brain in such a way where they are more likely to excel. The same reward hasn't been there for women so the safety of mediocrity is the optimum strategy.


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    Hector Savage
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    Southwest Alaska wrote: »
    There are some serious nutcase gender difference deniers out there.

    Some of the women on Twitter - and scientists as well ! jesus wept , from the OP

    https://twitter.com/jesswade/status/1028645073448316928

    Who the hell wears a T shirt saying "Inferior" ?
    wtf ?

    "Because I don’t want to just tell girls they can do anything. I want them to read it, be empowered, and join our fight for equality."

    Holy f*ck, so she wants to lie to young girls, tell them they are victims and they need to fight for something they already have ?

    Does this idiot not see she is making it worse ?
    This is pure brainwashing.


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    sbsquarepants
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    What I don't understand is why exactly he felt the need to point this out to a room full of women?

    You wouldn't sit there and point out that it was built by white men - even if it's true. You just can't get away with this shít these days.


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    Southwest Alaska
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    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    What I don't understand is why exactly he felt the need to point this out to a room full of women?

    You wouldn't sit there and point out that it was built by white men - even if it's true. You just can't get away with this shít these days.

    Perhaps it's a sense of personal integrity, he doesn't want to lie for approval.


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    amcalester
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    Southwest Alaska wrote: »
    Perhaps it's a sense of personal integrity, he doesn't want to lie for approval.

    Did he ask to present a paper, and then talk about a different one? Article is confusing.

    Either way it seems he went out of his way to give this talk, which was probably foolish.
    Professor Alessandro Strumia, a senior researcher at the National Institute of Chemical Physics and Biophysics, had allegedly asked Cern if he could deliver a talk on his most recent bibliometrics paper.

    He then proceeded to present a talk about “fundamental theory and gender”, where he spoke about how female physicists such as Marie Curie were welcomed into the physics world only once they had established themselves.

    And all because he was passed over for a job in favour of a woman.
    He also explained how he believed that he should have been hired by the National Institute of Nuclear Physics over Anna Ceresole, the professor who was eventually chosen for the position that he’d applied for, as he had more citations than her.


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    Franz Von Peppercorn
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    Meanwhile China is hiring whomever it needs to do whatever science it wants. If they were smart they’d appeal to any disaffected male western scientist or engineer.


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    Assetbacked
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    A news story consisting of opinions garnished from Tweets, as a general point, is not worth taking at face value.


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    #20
    Your Face
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    They all have lovely bottoms.


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    super_furry
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    Sounds like a bitter man who couldn't get over the fact that he didn't get the promotion he wanted, so he went on a rant.

    But you know, this is After Hours so we can't pass up the chance to whinge about feminism and paint this guy as a martyr.


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    nthclare
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    I'm staying out of this one, I'll only get banned again for having a larf......


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    #23
    JJayoo
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    Something something DONALD TRUMP something =all men are bad


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    Southwest Alaska
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    super_furry wrote: »
    Sounds like a bitter man who couldn't get over the fact that he didn't get the promotion he wanted, so he went on a rant.

    But you know, this is After Hours so we can't pass up the chance to whinge about feminism and paint this guy as a martyr.

    On what basis do you think he is bitter?


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    #25
    Donald Trump
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    JJayoo wrote: »
    Something something DONALD TRUMP something =all men are bad




    Feck off


    Yer ma doesn't complain about me when I call over


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    Hector Savage
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    Assetbacked wrote: »
    A news story consisting of opinions garnished from Tweets, as a general point, is not worth taking at face value.

    Very good advice actually, I must start taking it.

    Also I need a break from twitter, I just get angry when I check it.

    :mad:


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    Wanderer78
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    he was just on bbc news there, whats the crack with this chap, havent read into it?


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    Cienciano
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    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    What I don't understand is why exactly he felt the need to point this out to a room full of women?

    You wouldn't sit there and point out that it was built by white men - even if it's true. You just can't get away with this shít these days.

    He should have went by the boards rule: Don't be a dick.

    Of course, people are delighted he's suspended because they can pretend they're outraged and it's "PC gone mad".
    Unfortunately, that's the world we live in now.


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    wexie
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    Cienciano wrote: »
    He should have went by the boards rule: Don't be a dick.

    You'd think that once you get close enough near the top of your field to be lecturing at CERN you might have enough social and political acumen than to present your findings in such a blunt way.

    ....maybe he's just one of these people that are really really good at what they do and just don't see the world in shades of political correctness and levels of victim-hood.

    If that's the case I think we could do with more of him to be honest.


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    goose2005
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    JJayoo wrote: »
    In fairness if the guy is dumb enough to say this to a room full of women in 2018 then he probably shouldn't be working on any big projects.

    Think it but don't say it

    In fairness if the guy is dumb enough to advocate heliocentrism a room full of priests in 1633 then he probably shouldn't be working on any big projects.

    Think it but don't say it


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    Franz Von Peppercorn
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    goose2005 wrote: »
    In fairness if the guy is dumb enough to advocate heliocentrism a room full of priests in 1633 then he probably shouldn't be working on any big projects.

    Think it but don't say it

    Copernicus did exactly that. It was a more tolerant age though.


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