39 people found dead in trailer in UK

Hector Savage · 23-10-2019 11:49am

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

thats a fridge unit

they are left running on crossings

could have been one of the crew plugging it in by mistake and freezing them to death

jesus that's grimm ...

Hector Savage · 23-10-2019 11:51am

Sky news saying arresting him on suspicion of murder is standard in these cases, seems a bit overkill

igCorcaigh · 23-10-2019 11:51am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

There are but Ireland is an easy route to the UK. No border check. Up to NI, over to Scotland and down south. As opposed to trying to run the gauntlet in Calais.

Genuine question here, what is the draw to UK specifically, rather than any other EU country... France, or even in thus case, Ireland?

Why do people risk their lives to get from France to UK?

Esse85 · 23-10-2019 11:54am

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Genuine question here, what is the draw to UK specifically, rather than any other EU country... France, or even in thus case, Ireland?

Why do people risk their lives to get from France to UK?

I'm guessing the UK are more generous in terms of benefits.

igCorcaigh · 23-10-2019 11:55am

Esse85 wrote: »

I'm guessing the UK are more generous in terms of benefits.

To risk your life though?
I would assume they work on the black market and keep under the radar... You can't just arrive illegally and apply for jobseeker's?

Maybe they have family in UK? I dunno.
It's an awful thing to be happening.

Plumbthedepths · 23-10-2019 11:59am

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Genuine question here, what is the draw to UK specifically, rather than any other EU country... France, or even in thus case, Ireland?

Why do people risk their lives to get from France to UK?

The BBC interviewed several at Calais asking what the attraction was. Several answered that in UK they give you house and money.
For many there is already a large community of them fellow countrymen there and that itself is an attraction.

igCorcaigh · 23-10-2019 12:02pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The BBC interviewed several at Calais asking what the attraction was. Several answered that in UK they give you house and money.
For many there is already a large community of them fellow countrymen there and that itself is an attraction.

France must have a very different system then.
I must look into it more.
It's hard to make sense of.

IRE60 · 23-10-2019 12:03pm

scotchy wrote: »

Newstalk saying that the truck traveled via Dublin.

Unfortunately, if it arrived in Holyhead on Saturday (as stated for Police statement) on a RoRo - then it came through Dublin Port.

derrymcorry · 23-10-2019 12:03pm

Sky News saying that it might have gone from France to Ireland to escape heavy customs checks and GB ports.

LillySV · 23-10-2019 12:05pm

Esse85 wrote: »

I'm guessing the UK are more generous in terms of benefits.

No they get way less in uk ....Ireland leads in the free money club

Which makes me thinks this was a group coming over for work...

Anyways rip, very sad

23-10-2019 12:08pm

LillySV wrote: »

No they get way less in uk ....Ireland leads in the free money club

Which makes me thinks this was a group coming over for work...

Anyways rip, very sad

bigger population means more chance of hiding i guess.

a large number of Chinese immigrants were found dead in the back of a lorry in Calais a few year back i think. A dutch driver was charged by the French police and I guess this meant more checks and tighter security, hence the route through Ireland.

YFlyer · 23-10-2019 12:16pm

Sad to hear.

Every freight trailer should have built in carbon dioxide detectors that customs should be able to monitor remotely.

igCorcaigh · 23-10-2019 12:20pm

YFlyer wrote: »

Sad to hear.

Every freight trailer should have built in carbon dioxide detectors that customs should be able to monitor remotely.

That's a very good idea.

rock22 · 23-10-2019 12:48pm

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Presumably they went that way because checks for people smuggling are much lighter on the Cherbourg/rosslare route .

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replaced with Cherbourg - Dublin since beginning of year

4068ac1elhodqr · 23-10-2019 12:49pm

Aegir wrote: »

bigger population means more chance of hiding i guess.

Also no requirement to carry photo ID, unlike some other EU countries, think in France you must carry photo ID at all times, likely coupled with mobile fingerprint readers.

In the uk there is likely a larger black market to operate within, stashing a dozen or so in a shed, of the back garden isn't unheard of neither - to avoid any real housing costs while earning a couple of quid per hour.

NIMAN · 23-10-2019 12:52pm

Very sad.
What a terrible way to go.

DellyBelly · 23-10-2019 12:54pm

Surely the driver must have heard them banging on the inside of the container unless of course it happened while they were in the boat and there was no one around. The terror must have been awful.

Birneybau · 23-10-2019 12:56pm

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Very sad way to go out for sure but these people knew they were taking a risk and it didnt work out for them. Had they made it to their destination they would also have been a burden on the tax payer. The best way to prevent these things happening is to make it not worth their while ie. If they are found to be illigal, send them straight back to where they came from. Give them the most basic accomodation and food rations whilst they are in custody and in the long run, fix the problems they are running from

Yeah, fcuk it, hopefully 39 dead puts them off *sarcasm*

Sir Oxman · 23-10-2019 12:58pm

DellyBelly wrote: »

Surely the driver must have heard them banging on the inside of the container unless of course it happened while they were in the boat and there was no one around. The terror must have been awful.

Horrific though it may sound, they might well have been dead by the time they reached Dublin if the Europe-Ireland-UK route is correct

vicwatson · 23-10-2019 1:00pm

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Those poor people.

That's a reefer unit. Poor people could have froze to death:(

scotchy · 23-10-2019 1:03pm

Just talking about this with a lorry driver in the job. He says he knows of plenty of Bulgarian registered, but Irish operated trucks working on the Island of Ireland, And he seems to think that this truck is one of them, and it didn't necessarily travel here from the continent.

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Plumbthedepths · 23-10-2019 1:07pm

Esperanza Whispering Receiver wrote: »

In the uk there is likely a larger black market to operate within, stashing a dozen or so in a shed, of the back garden isn't unheard of neither - to avoid any real housing costs while earning a couple of quid per hour.

Or on a halting site.

derrymcorry · 23-10-2019 1:07pm

The driver is from County Monaghan according to RTÉ.

WTF Essex Police, since when is County Monaghan in Northern Ireland?

23-10-2019 1:08pm

Esse85 wrote: »

I'm guessing the UK are more generous in terms of benefits.

Not particularly. It is probably a combination of factors.
English is widely spoken.
No ID requirements.
Established communities to help integrate.
General laissez faire approach to regulations like employment or immigration.
Lower unemployment.

derrymcorry · 23-10-2019 1:12pm

There are two serious aspects of this case:

1. The fact that 39 people are dead in the back of a lorry.

2. The fact that Essex Police has said that the driver was from Northern Ireland when in fact he was from County Monaghan. This is a British police force suggesting a territorial claim over a part of another country and it is a monumental disgrace.

BarryD2 · 23-10-2019 1:17pm

derrymcorry wrote: »

2. The fact that Essex Police has said that the driver was from Northern Ireland when in fact he was from County Monaghan. This is a British police force suggesting a territorial claim over a part of another country and it is a monumental disgrace.

Comment above in very poor taste, given the circumstances

Plumbthedepths · 23-10-2019 1:18pm

derrymcorry wrote: »

There are two serious aspects of this case:

1. The fact that 39 people are dead in the back of a lorry.

2. The fact that Essex Police has said that the driver was from Northern Ireland when in fact he was from County Monaghan. This is a British police force suggesting a territorial claim over a part of another country and it is a monumental disgrace.

Seriously? Cop on to yourself. The only important thing here is the death of 39 people.
The nationality of the driver is irrelevant.

jam_mac_jam · 23-10-2019 1:20pm

derrymcorry wrote: »

There are two serious aspects of this case:

1. The fact that 39 people are dead in the back of a lorry.

2. The fact that Essex Police has said that the driver was from Northern Ireland when in fact he was from County Monaghan. This is a British police force suggesting a territorial claim over a part of another country and it is a monumental disgrace.

That's what is a monumental disgrace about this ?

BarryD2 · 23-10-2019 1:21pm

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Those poor people.

Seems to be parked up on an access road in an industrial estate? You might expect it to be backed in near a warehouse and that the discovery was made when they went to unload? Just looks a bit odd.

Bigbagofcans · 23-10-2019 1:22pm

Such a heartbreaking story, those poor people

For the negative commenters, put yourself in their shoes.

derrymcorry · 23-10-2019 1:23pm

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

That's what is a monumental disgrace about this ?

The fact they said he was from Northern Ireland when he was in fact from County Monaghan. This is an illegal territorial claim as they made out that County Monaghan was in NI.

Isn't it bad enough they have the Six Counties?

Graces7 · 23-10-2019 1:24pm

YFlyer wrote: »

Sad to hear.

Every freight trailer should have built in carbon dioxide detectors that customs should be able to monitor remotely.

There is a series on youtube of officials seeking out illegals hiding aboard containers etc at Calais as they try to be smuggled to the UK. They do have CO2detectors and they also make full use of sniffer dogs.

The sheer scale of the traffic going through makes a check on every vehicle not feasible

If you google "smuggling people in at Calais" videos?

Sir Oxman · 23-10-2019 1:25pm

scotchy wrote: »

Just talking about this with a lorry driver in the job. He says he knows of plenty of Bulgarian registered, but Irish operated trucks working on the Island of Ireland, And he seems to think that this truck is one of them, and it didn't necessarily travel here from the continent.

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Looks like trailer is a Global Trailer Rentals Limited one going by a quick snatch of the back of the trailer on BBC News

They have an office in Dublin and solo business check shows registered address in Co Monaghan

derrymcorry · 23-10-2019 1:26pm

Priti Patel also said that he was from Northern Ireland.

COUNTY MONAGHAN IS IN THE REPUBLIC YOU STUPID WOMAN!

Rant over.

Graces7 · 23-10-2019 1:26pm

Bigbagofcans wrote: »

Such a heartbreaking story, those poor people

For the negative commenters, put yourself in their shoes.

Suffocation is a painful and terrifying death that no one deserves.

ebbsy · 23-10-2019 1:28pm

Hector Savage wrote: »

Arrested for murder ?
What the hell happened ?
Surely he was just driving illegal immigrants, I mean manslaughter at the most.

I would say he knew.

This was not one or two guys trying to cut their way into a lorry.

Padraig Mor · 23-10-2019 1:32pm

derrymcorry wrote: »

The fact they said he was from Northern Ireland when he was in fact from County Monaghan. This is an illegal territorial claim as they made out that County Monaghan was in NI.

Isn't it bad enough they have the Six Counties?

Oh go away.

23-10-2019 1:32pm

derrymcorry wrote: »

Priti Patel also said that he was from Northern Ireland.

COUNTY MONAGHAN IS IN THE REPUBLIC YOU STUPID WOMAN!

Rant over.

In the context of what has just happened it is pathetic to be ranting about this.

jam_mac_jam · 23-10-2019 1:33pm

derrymcorry wrote: »

The fact they said he was from Northern Ireland when he was in fact from County Monaghan. This is an illegal territorial claim as they made out that County Monaghan was in NI.

Isn't it bad enough they have the Six Counties?

Its a mistake, I doubt the UK police are trying to claim Monaghan. Don't be so stupid.

jam_mac_jam · 23-10-2019 1:33pm

ebbsy wrote: »

I would say he knew.

This was not one or two guys trying to cut their way into a lorry.

I think with the number involved it would be very unlikely he did not know.

knipex · 23-10-2019 1:34pm

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Roundabout way and 4 passes through customs/random checks sounds incredibly risky but yes, that is one way.

Wouldn't the only customs check be where the truck crossed the EU border. After that all the driver would have to do is show his passport ??

derrymcorry · 23-10-2019 1:36pm

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Its a mistake, I doubt the UK police are trying to claim Monaghan. Don't be so stupid.

It's a pretty big (and serious) mistake.

4068ac1elhodqr · 23-10-2019 1:38pm

Graces7 wrote: »

The sheer scale of the traffic going through makes a check on every vehicle not feasible

Agree, while the media headlined the 80 or so folks (mainly from Iran) making their way across the channel in kayaks, dingys and so on, this is a drop in the ocean, compared to haulage which likely continues largely unnoticed (except for incidents such as today).

Atlantic Dawn · 23-10-2019 1:38pm

knipex wrote: »

Wouldn't the only customs check be where the truck crossed the EU border. After that all the driver would have to do is show his passport ??

Could have been checked for people smuggling, drugs, contraband etc at any crossing.

Drug smugglers must be getting lots through if 39 people on a truck were undetected, would mean no x-ray or check inside at all at any stage.

knipex · 23-10-2019 1:41pm

derrymcorry wrote: »

There are two serious aspects of this case:

1. The fact that 39 people are dead in the back of a lorry.

2. The fact that Essex Police has said that the driver was from Northern Ireland when in fact he was from County Monaghan. This is a British police force suggesting a territorial claim over a part of another country and it is a monumental disgrace.

Sweet Jeebus. cop on just a little bit..

Salary Negotiator · 23-10-2019 1:42pm

derrymcorry wrote: »

It's a pretty big (and serious) mistake.

RTE are reporting that a man from Northern Ireland has been arrested.

Get over it.

The bodies of 39 people have been found in a container at an industrial park in the UK and a 25-year-old man from Northern Ireland has been arrested on suspicion of murder.

Link

sk8erboii · 23-10-2019 1:43pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Could have been checked for people smuggling, drugs, contraband etc at any crossing.

Drug smugglers must be getting lots through if 39 people on a truck were undetected, would mean no x-ray or check inside at all at any stage.

X ray LOL

derrymcorry · 23-10-2019 1:43pm

knipex wrote: »

Sweet Jeebus. cop on just a little bit..

Good pun.

I'm just making the point that it is quite a mistake.

If Drew Harris or Charlie Flanagan said that Essex was part of France what would be said?

Harry Palmr · 23-10-2019 1:44pm

derrymcorry wrote: »

It's a pretty big (and serious) mistake.

Have you considered the merits of a long walk on a short pier.

This forum is a total cesspit of cranks.

knipex · 23-10-2019 1:45pm

derrymcorry wrote: »

Good pun.

I'm just making the point that it is quite a mistake.

If Drew Harris or Charlie Flanagan said that Essex was part of France what would be said?

39 people died and your more worried about a perceived insult from someone not having an encyclopedic knowledge of Irish Geography and county layout..

get a grip.

derrymcorry wrote: »

Priti Patel also said that he was from Northern Ireland.

COUNTY MONAGHAN IS IN THE REPUBLIC YOU STUPID WOMAN!

Rant over.

Grow up

39 people found dead in trailer in UK

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