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Ireland's Jewish community

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    #122
    Gimme A Pound
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    Re anti semitism now in the Labour Party: I think an extended investigative documentary with this allegation being corroborated by actual members of the Labour Party, Jewish and non Jewish, seems like a reliable document.

    I don't think it was always there at all in the British Labour Party though.

    "Anti semitism" can certainly be used as an allegation for bullsh1t, underhand reasons (e.g. loyalist types love to pretend that we are crazed anti semitics down here) but I'm not gonna dismiss actual anti semitism because of the above.


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    #123
    Gimme A Pound
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    Tony EH wrote: »
    and the IRA were more interested in killing Jews than they were in tackling the British during the civil war.

    Talk about a post truth world. :rolleyes:
    Jeez who said they were more interested in that? Someone said their grandfather alluded to the IRA killing Jews but asked for clarification. Nobody stated it was a fact.


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    #124
    odyssey06
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    Big generalisation but Irish antisemitism historically has a strong catholic religious aspect. Jewish immigrants to Ireland were small in number and better off.

    In England historically it seemed to be more of a general anti foreigner / class thing. In 19th century they had large immigration to London of working class / peasant background.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #125
    odyssey06
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    The best way to see the jewish cemetary in Fairview Ballybough is from top deck of the 123 as it passes before the old players lounge pub on way to Marino. Sit on left.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #126
    Spanish Eyes
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    cameramonkey wrote: »
    There is another Jewish cemetery below the hell fire club at woodtown.

    Thanks for that, I never knew about it. Some amazing hidden things in Dublin.

    https://acloudonastring.wordpress.com/2017/03/15/progressive-jewish-cemetery-woodtown-dublin/


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    #127
    sweet_trip
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    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    It would take an entire thread to dismantle this utter bollocks.


    I literally said it wasn't an accurate recollection of what I was told, and I was corrected only a post below. Cool your jets lad.


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    #128
    Tony EH
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    Gimme A Pound wrote: »
    Jeez who said they were more interested in that? Someone said their grandfather alluded to the IRA killing Jews but asked for clarification. Nobody stated it was a fact.

    Sure, I may be being a bit hard on Sweet Trip, who said said he/she wasn't that well versed in Irish history. But the sheer amount of nonsense in this thread is head spinning.


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    #129
    sweet_trip
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    Tony EH wrote: »
    Sure, I may be being a bit hard on Sweet Trip, who said said he/she wasn't that well versed in Irish history. But the sheer amount of nonsense in this thread is head spinning.


    Welcome to After Hours.


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    #130
    odyssey06
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    sweet_trip wrote: »
    I literally said it wasn't an accurate recollection of what I was told, and I was corrected only a post below. Cool your jets lad.

    Yep and actually even if its not accurate if it is how things have been remembered it is part of the history ie what is said about Jewish people in Ireland over time is part of the story. As long as it is prefixed as anecdotal.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #131
    Tony EH
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    sweet_trip wrote: »
    Welcome to After Hours.

    I'll keep having to remind myself of that.


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    #132
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    Crock Rock wrote: »
    So are the majority of Irish Jews of German or Central European descent who were escaping Hitler's persecution?

    No. The majority of the Jewish communities in Ireland predate the Nazi party's rise I. Germay by decades or centuries, and the majority of the remainder came lobe after.

    Much like the US and UK, Devs Ireland wasn't keep on taking in too many central European Jewish refugees, unfortunately.

    Dev was an outright **** though, so it's hardly surprising.


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    #133
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    I haven't read this thread because I'm sure it's a absolute **** show, but I know members of the families who own Bretzel Bakery and StienTravel, both near the portebello area of Dublin, and have never had anything other than positive experiences with both or their friends and wider communities when attending events.


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    #134
    cameramonkey
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    There was some murders of Jewish men in Dublin in the early 1920s. It was believed that the murders were instigated by Free State army officers. These officers may have carried out the murders and they also colluded in covering up how those involved in the killings had used Beggar's Bush Barracks to escape on the night of one of the murders.


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    #135
    cameramonkey
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    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    I haven't read this thread because I'm sure it's a absolute **** show, but I know members of the families who own Bretzel Bakery and StienTravel, both near the portebello area of Dublin, and have never had anything other than positive experiences with both or their friends and wider communities when attending events.


    Bretzel bakery hasn't been owned by Jewish people for I would say 60 years as far as I know.


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    #136
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Bretzel bakery hasn't been owned by Jewish people for I would say 60 years as far as I know.

    I think you'd be surprised.

    The family who opened it sold it less than 20 years ago, and the new(er) owners still operate it as a kosher bakery who produce traditional breads of the Jewish community to serve the nearby community.


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    #137
    Hurrache
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    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    Hang on. When has the British left historically been anti Semitic?
    Tony EH wrote: »

    Apparently the British Labour Party were always anti Semitic, except for the Blair years


    Nobody insinuated it was apart from you two.


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    #138
    cameramonkey
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    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    I think you'd be surprised.

    The family who opened it and it less than 20 years ago.


    Its been around for a lot longer than 20 years. I believe the last time Jewish people owned it was the 1950s, that was what the present owner told me but you could be right and i may be surprised.


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    #139
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Its been around for a lot longer than 20 years. I believe the last time Jewish people owned it was the 1950s, that was what the present owner told me but you could be right and i may be surprised.

    Its been around since the latter half the the 19th century. The current owners bought it less than 20 years ago.


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    #140
    cameramonkey
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    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    Its been around since the latter half the the 19th century. The current owners bought it less than 20 years ago.


    Who owned it before him?


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    Subcomandante Marcos
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    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Who owned it before him?

    The Elliman's and the Stein's.


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    #142
    cameramonkey
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    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    The Elliman's and the Stein's.


    Did the Hackett family not own it?


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    #143
    Thesiger
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    Met an Irish-Israeli guy in the main Irish bar near the beach in Tel Aviv, he said there is a very small community in the greater Tel Aviv area who all loosely know each other and connect around Paddy's Day events and stuff like that. Think he said he was from Terenure originally.


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    #144
    cameramonkey
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    From the below article.

    "A chain of Jewish ownership was broken when the bakery's head baker, Christy Hackett, agreed to take it over from Ida Stein in the 1960s for one week and said that if he made a profit he would continue. The bakery remained in the Hackett family for two generations until ill health forced a sale."



    https://www.herald.ie/lifestyle/people-are-fussier-now-they-have-less-money-29395471.html


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    #145
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Did the Hackett family not own it?

    Maybe. I know one of their head baker's was a local man called Hackett from stories.
    But I also know both the Stein's and Elliman's were proud to tell me it was "their family's" bakery. This was also 15+ years ago after it had been sold to the current owners so maybe they skipped someone.


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    #146
    Spanish Eyes
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    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    The Elliman's and the Stein's.

    Manny Stein lived close by us off Clanbrassil Street. Lovely man anyway. His wife was Sylvia and the daughter was/is Freya.

    Anyone remember them whether involved with the bakery or not. Often wondered about them after we moved on.

    How would you find out. Not being nosy, but curious.


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    #147
    Gimme A Pound
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    In a most Irish development, what landmark in "Jewtown", Cork is named after Mayor Goldberg? Why a pub of course. :)

    https://goldbergs.ie


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    #148
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Manny Stein lived close by us off Clanbrassil Street. Lovely man anyway. His wife was Sylvia and the daughter was/is Freya.

    Anyone remember them whether involved with the bakery or not. Often wondered about them after we moved on.

    How would you find out. Not being nosy, but curious.

    I don't know Manny but I'd have been friendly with Alex back then.
    I remember his dad being called Michael, maybe that was Manny?
    They ran the travel agents on the corner Camden street and pleasant Street?

    Haven't seen any of them in years though, unfortunately


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    #149
    Spanish Eyes
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    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    I don't know Manny but I'd have been friendly with Alex back then.
    I remember his dad being called Michael, maybe that was Manny?
    They ran the travel agents on the corner Camden street and pleasant Street?

    Haven't seen any of them in years though, unfortunately

    Ah thanks, I don't think Manny was involved in the Travel Industry (can't remember what the heck he did now!) but he was such a gentleman. Maybe they are related, but Manny and Sylvia had just the one daughter Freya.

    Sorry this is bringing a lot of my early years back. Wish I knew then how important it would be to record it. But that's kids for you.

    We all played together and there was no distinction made except on Shabbat. That's where us Gentiles made a few bob. Win win!


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    #150
    ILoveYourVibes
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    I know my me.

    Strange thread.


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    #151
    Wibbs
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    I grew up off the south circular road in Dublin in the 70's so a fair number of my friends were Jewish. Like SE noted we didn't make any real distinction. I do remember kids conversations about sausages and what, you can't eat them, what the hell? :D I also remember being in one mate's house and asking his ma about the fancy candlestick on the sideboard and she telling me about the Menorah and what it was about. I also clearly remember her smiling when I asked about the fancy candlestick. :) She also made these very very tasty pastries which I never had before and can't recall the name, but we would devour them.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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