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Philip Gilbert in Ireland in October for cycling event/sportif

  • 14-09-2019 3:31pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭


    Thought I'd help promote this

    Looks like a good event ...both the cycling part and the the dinner for Crumlin Hospital

    And 2 pros for the price of one

    Nico Roche & Philip Gilbert in Kildare & Wicklow on 19th and 20th October

    https://www.theprojectnr.com/cycle-series


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,095 ✭✭✭buffalo


    Are they keeping the routes secret deliberately?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 316 ✭✭thelawman


    looks like lake drive for the short one and Wicklow gap and sally gap for the longer route,


    https://www.theprojectnr.com/routes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭fat bloke


    Sounds cool but...


    "A percentage of the entries will be donated to charity"

    to-protect-mother-earth-each-copy-contains-a-certain-percentage-2693746.png

    😁


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Great we can "sort him out" for taking the stage off Sam the other day :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 366 ✭✭Derrydingle


    Very little information on the routes, as to what roads both routes are taking


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,066 ✭✭✭✭neris




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭MPFGLB


    Looks like the routes are no walk in the park

    https://twitter.com/nicholasroche/status/1175075480875261952?s=20


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,823 ✭✭✭ballyharpat


    fat bloke wrote: »
    Sounds cool but...


    "A percentage of the entries will be donated to charity"

    to-protect-mother-earth-each-copy-contains-a-certain-percentage-2693746.png

    😁

    My sentiments exactly...... the spelling in the original ad was atrocious as well, joke....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭MPFGLB


    I prefer to believe Nicolas Roche when he says a percentage of the entries will go charity ...but then again I have no valid reason to believe and repeat the worst of someone.

    Same for the spelling...immaterial really esp with French as first language ..

    Not really what I would think are valid reasons to call this event a joke :rolleyes:


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,855 Mod ✭✭✭✭eeeee


    This event looks like it's there solely to make money, with crumlin a way to get more in because of the charitable nature pig almost all other sportives. Neither the proceeds of the dinner nor the cycle go to crumlin, just an auction AT the dinner.

    To each their own, I'd have absolutely no interest in it whatsoever. I do hope they manage to raise loads of money for Crumlin at the auction.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,997 ✭✭✭68 lost souls


    Crumlin charity all feeds through cmrf who are obliged to say a portion is donated to charity as they take their running costs out. We tried to arrange a fundraising with proceeds going directly but were told we had to go through cmrf


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,817 ✭✭✭marvin80


    Jeez - tough crowd.

    I'd assume Roche and Gilbert would be getting tidy sums to appear at this event considering their current pros and big names in cycling (Roche more so in Ireland and it seems he's playing a part in organising it).
    I don't really see the issue.

    The likes of Sean Kelly and former pros get a few euros for appearances throughout the country as well and don't see many people complaining.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Eamonnator


    eeeee wrote: »
    This event looks like it's there solely to make money, with crumlin a way to get more in because of the charitable nature pig almost all other sportives. Neither the proceeds of the dinner nor the cycle go to crumlin, just an auction AT the dinner.

    To each their own, I'd have absolutely no interest in it whatsoever. I do hope they manage to raise loads of money for Crumlin at the auction.

    According to the blurb "a percentage of the entries will be donated to the charity"
    That doesn't sound to me as if it's just the proceeds of the auction, that will be given to the charity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭MPFGLB


    eeeee wrote: »
    This event looks like it's there solely to make money, with crumlin a way to get more in because of the charitable nature pig almost all other sportives. Neither the proceeds of the dinner nor the cycle go to crumlin, just an auction AT the dinner.

    To each their own, I'd have absolutely no interest in it whatsoever. I do hope they manage to raise loads of money for Crumlin at the auction.

    You seem to have enough interest to deliberately run it down when it clearly say proceeds of the entries go to charity

    Also Gilbert will need to be paid expenses etc to come to Ireland so what if it makes some money as then more goes to charity

    Sean Kelly and co make money in fees for their events but where is the holier than thou attitude on this ??


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,855 Mod ✭✭✭✭eeeee


    No holier than thou attitude, just because I'm not into the event doesn't make me holier than thou.:rolleyes:
    And it says on the homepage that proceeds from the auction of the dinner go to crumlin.
    It's right there on the first page.

    Pointing out the problematics of something isn't running it down, nothing is above critical thinking.

    Differences of opinion are allowed.

    In fact I'd argue that a lack of critical thinking is at the root of a lot of issues more generally.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭MPFGLB


    eeeee wrote: »
    No holier than thou attitude, just because I'm not into the event doesn't make me holier than thou.:rolleyes:
    And it says on the homepage that proceeds from the auction of the dinner go to crumlin.
    It's right there on the first page.

    Pointing out the problematics of something isn't running it down, nothing is above critical thinking.

    Differences of opinion are allowed.

    In fact I'd argue that a lack of critical thinking is at the root of a lot of issues more generally.
    In fact I'd argue that a lack of critical thinking is at the root of a lot of issues more generally.


    Critical thinking is not the same as unsubstantiated innuendo and uncalled for and undue criticism

    You can not be into something or not support it...no one cares
    I draw you attention to 'knocking it' without any proof ..there is a world of difference

    But I guess you must be good to getting to the root cause of issues :rolleyes: even if there are none


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Eamonnator


    eeeee wrote: »
    No holier than thou attitude, just because I'm not into the event doesn't make me holier than thou.:rolleyes:
    And it says on the homepage that proceeds from the auction of the dinner go to crumlin.
    It's right there on the first page.

    Pointing out the problematics of something isn't running it down, nothing is above critical thinking.

    Differences of opinion are allowed.

    In fact I'd argue that a lack of critical thinking is at the root of a lot of issues more generally.

    It's also on the front page, that a percentage of the entries will go to the charity.
    Why are you ignoring that? In fact, in your first post on this thread you contradicted it.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    I generally prefer if they give a better breakdown of the % that goes to charity (aka some events will say all profits), but perhaps they've no idea at the moment. I'd always complain about that with running events when there is a lack of transparency and I've been following the instagram and the website for this and it has grated at me that it isn't very clear.

    Planning to do the cycle myself anyway - however many times I've said I would, I've never done Wicklow Gap so there'll be no excuses if I do the cycle. Might go to the dinner if there's anyone else I know going.

    Routes are up now on the site btw.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭MPFGLB


    I generally prefer if they give a better breakdown of the % that goes to charity (aka some events will say all profits)

    This is the problem...an organisational one rather than for any nefarious reasons

    The site say % of entries go to charity...but if you have to pay all your costs including the not insubstantial cost of Philip Gilbert appearance and travel,hotel,etc then its hard to say what percentage of entries go to charity until you have assessed the income and final sales and paid costs

    If you said say 50% of profits then that would be after all costs and would have been easier to say upfront...

    Rookie mistake ...cant say for instance 20% of entries go to charity as you have no idea what percentage cover costs yet as not yet sold


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,161 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    They have sponsors covering some of the costs that do not seem to be mentioned either. i was under the impression that Spirit in Sandyford were covering a chunk of the appearance fees as Nico is their Volvo rep/Sports person. Happy to wait to see, neither strike me as stupid enough to pretend to be giving some up for charity and then not doing it in this day and age. Odd they don't have the sponsors up on the page yet though.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,855 Mod ✭✭✭✭eeeee


    MPFGLB wrote: »
    Critical thinking is not the same as unsubstantiated innuendo and uncalled for and undue criticism

    You can not be into something or not support it...no one cares
    I draw you attention to 'knocking it' without any proof ..there is a world of difference

    But I guess you must be good to getting to the root cause of issues :rolleyes: even if there are none

    There's as much evidence for my point of view as your own.
    It's important to look at things critically, I will continue to do so.

    It's not for me, I still believe it is not being run for entirely altruistic reasons, I think profit making is a big motivation for it. There's nothing wring with that.
    It's not the kind of thing that would attract me for the reasons I've laid out and others I won't go into here.

    To each their own.
    Eamonnator wrote: »
    It's also on the front page, that a percentage of the entries will go to the charity.
    Why are you ignoring that? In fact, in your first post on this thread you contradicted it.

    I misread that, I was racing Saturday morning, completely emptied myself, then had a birthday all weekend. My mistake. I think I've only recovered from Saturday today :pac:


    One positive of it is that it's a non-CI event so they've managed to get their own insurance, which, in these insurance crazy times is a really good thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,338 ✭✭✭Lusk_Doyle


    How does one have a birth"day" all weekend? Hate to be a stickler or negative but the critical thinker in me just won't rest.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,855 Mod ✭✭✭✭eeeee


    Lusk_Doyle wrote: »
    How does one have a birth"day" all weekend? Hate to be a stickler or negative but the critical thinker in me just won't rest.

    :D
    The mother was 60, dinner Saturday evening immediate family, then rest of family dinner/gentle party Sunday, actual birthing day anniversary Monday, presents and the like.

    She hates fuss, but also hates it when she isn't fussed over for big days, so there was a lot of mandatory I-can't-believe-it's-not-fussing fussing to be done!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭MPFGLB


    Mr eeeee ...what a complex life you lead


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,338 ✭✭✭Lusk_Doyle


    MPFGLB wrote: »
    Mr eeeee ...what a complex life you lead

    Eeeee ain't no mister!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭MPFGLB




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 23,231 Mod ✭✭✭✭godtabh


    MPFGLB wrote: »

    In 2011. Where they common in 2011?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,161 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    godtabh wrote: »
    In 2011. Where they common in 2011?

    At pro level I would have thought so, but he states that it was a sponsor issue rather than something else. There were alot of issues that probably hampered him at AG2R that probably meant he missed his best years. No TT bikes for TTs, not protecting their leader at times, for reasons that may or may not have been true. AG2R always seemed like they didn't fully back Nico, or simply couldn't back anyone but I always felt if he had a French Flag beside his name, some members of the backroom team would have backed him more. Just an impression, may not be true but I could be completely wrong and they may have been just as poor backing anyone as leader.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 23,231 Mod ✭✭✭✭godtabh


    CramCycle wrote: »
    At pro level I would have thought so, but he states that it was a sponsor issue rather than something else. There were alot of issues that probably hampered him at AG2R that probably meant he missed his best years. No TT bikes for TTs, not protecting their leader at times, for reasons that may or may not have been true. AG2R always seemed like they didn't fully back Nico, or simply couldn't back anyone but I always felt if he had a French Flag beside his name, some members of the backroom team would have backed him more. Just an impression, may not be true but I could be completely wrong and they may have been just as poor backing anyone as leader.

    Thats an impression borne out in his book.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭MPFGLB


    Yes..He stayed too long at Ag2R

    Seems to me that Nico Roche didnt get the equipment, training,weight loss, etc right until he left Ag2R.... not really till he got to SKY and by then it was too late for personal ambition


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,161 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    MPFGLB wrote: »
    Yes..He stayed too long at Ag2R

    Seems to me that Nico Roche didnt get the equipment, training,weight loss, etc right until he left Ag2R.... not really till he got to SKY and by then it was too late for personal ambition

    Which has to be upsetting as I remember some of his races with AG2R and thinking, only the smallest bit of support and he would have won that stage, done really well in GC etc. He is a phenomenal cyclist still but age is now against him, really nice bloke as well from anyone I know who has met him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭MPFGLB




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭fat bloke


    So this is nearly upon us. - Anyone going? The wife is taking me out for it. Dinner Saturday night and the spin Sunday morning. I'll be keeping a close eye on what's plated up for Neecko and Phleepo and report back on whether or not they ate dessert. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,454 ✭✭✭jamesd


    3 of going up from Galway for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭MPFGLB


    fat bloke wrote: »
    So this is nearly upon us. - Anyone going? The wife is taking me out for it. Dinner Saturday night and the spin Sunday morning. I'll be keeping a close eye on what's plated up for Neecko and Phleepo and report back on whether or not they ate dessert. :)

    It off season so suppose it will be fish & chips and sherry trifle all round

    Make sure to ask a few good questions of Phil Gil esp about his monument wins and how is he going to complete the set with MSR

    Would love to go but in London working

    Some people flying over though

    So enjoy yourself and report back all the gritty details


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,457 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Thinking about signing up


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭MPFGLB


    Thinking about signing up

    The dinner is sold out I believe but cycle still has places


    I'd say it will be a good event as lots gone into it ..plenty of time to speak with Phil and Nico during and afterwards , etc

    And get your questions and photos in


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,457 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    MPFGLB wrote: »
    The dinner is sold out I believe but cycle still has places

    Oh I was just referring to the cycle :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,263 ✭✭✭✭Borderfox


    Signed up for the cycle on Sunday, good to get a ton in Wicklow while the weather is good


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭fat bloke


    Ohmygodohmygodohmygod!!!!

    Best. Day. On the bike. Ever. :D:D:D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭fat bloke


    Probably deserves a more indepth, review. :)

    So. We wento to the whole shebang. Meal last night, spin today. Me and the Mrs, cos we both cycle, aaaand.... we both eat dinner.
    The story seems to be that Nico Roche is looking to set up a company "The Project" which will offer cyclo-experiences, of many sorts, but for a start the likes of which we participated in today. They're learning as they go and they he fully admitted that they weren't yet as slick as they want to be but I think he was far too apologetic, I thought it was a really nice evening yesterday, a great location (Palmerston Estate is frickin awesome!) and it was a very enjoyable and generous dinner. Philippe Gilbert is obviously a huge draw for cycling fans and his just being there was incredible. Roche himself isn't a polished PR guy but I thought he was really interesting to listen to, very honest and insightful and both his and Gilbert's tales from the peleton were fascinating.

    So that was that. Grand job as the man says. Today however was an absolute piece de resistance. Undoubtedly the weather helped immensely but the route was great, the marshalling was top notch, but by far and away what made the day was the accessibility of the two stars. They were around and present and available all day for chat and snaps, they rode the entire route with the group, and Roche was insistent that everyone stop in Laragh for coffee and a chat and photo ops. The start was very pace controlled, which you could be forgiven for thinking a pain in the a$$, but then you look around and see one of the lads pedalling away next to you or behind or up ahead and that was a large reason for the spin - that you would actually be cycling with the stars. Now the boys fairly put the hammer down at times too and rocked up the Wicklow gap, but there were several times when they paused to regroup as well. From Sally Gap on though the roadbook went out the window and they absolutely hoored it down from there. The pace car was told to shag off into the distance and it was head down and drive on! Was absolutely surreal to be racing along and to be on Gilbert's wheel or have Roche next to you hammering along (not by their standards of course but, certainly by mine!). I thought when they got to Kilbride and the main road that they'd ease off and control things again but they kept going. At one point I was at the head of a line on the N81 trying to bridge to the Gilbert group, with Roche directly behind me (!!:)), it was amazing....

    and then I got a puncture! D'oh!

    But tbh, the pace they were going, I doubt I'd have kept with them up the hill over to Rathmore from the N81, so at least I had my excuse.

    A great day, really looking forward to the pics, and whoever they decide to bring over next year, consider me signed up. Was a tremendous debut for an endeavour that deserves to do well. Fair play to Nicolas and his partner, who was obviously very heavily involved in the organisation, and whose brainchild the whole thing apparently was.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,454 ✭✭✭jamesd


    Taught it was a great day, 4 of us from Portumna CC in Galway came up and really enjoyed the route, scenery and meeting the guys.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭Cyclewizard


    Did the ride today, one of the best events Iv done. The two lads were great and marshalling and food stops great. Took a while to sign on they could probably do with a few more staff next time but minor complaints. Really enjoyed it as did everyone in our group, I hope they are back next year


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭Cyclewizard


    Anyone know where the photos will be available?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭fat bloke


    Not sure. They must have billions of them to sift through, so it'll take a while. If you do find out come back and tell us!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭MPFGLB


    Imagine they will be on the website at some stage if they are going to be anywhere

    https://www.theprojectnr.com/


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    Did the ride today, one of the best events Iv done. The two lads were great and marshalling and food stops great. Took a while to sign on they could probably do with a few more staff next time but minor complaints. Really enjoyed it as did everyone in our group, I hope they are back next year

    Dammit probably would have made it out so. Woke up late and didn't think I'd make it over on time.
    Sounds like it went well, pity to have missed it- be interested again for the next one. Least some of my money goes to a good cause anyway. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭MyDarkArts


    fat bloke wrote: »
    A great day, really looking forward to the pics, and whoever they decide to bring over next year, consider me signed up. Was a tremendous debut for an endeavour that deserves to do well. Fair play to Nicolas and his partner, who was obviously very heavily involved in the organisation, and whose brainchild the whole thing apparently was.
    Looks like the experience of those with "the group" differed from those who weren't.

    I did the shorter route and after hitting the N81, I may as well have been on my own, spent far too long trying to figure out if I was on the right route or not. And encountering other participants with similar issues. Not delighted to have to start getting the phone out several times along the way and check I was on the right route.

    Registration was very slow too and while I wouldn't expect it to start on the stroke of 9 exactly, it was near enough to 10 when we got going.

    Don't think they're problems that can't be resolved though. A couple dozen corriboards signs with arrows at any junctions around the course and a more streamlined sign on would serve them well for future events.

    Perhaps it's not an event for people who aren't at the level of averaging 25kph+ on a route over the Wicklow and Sally Gaps though. But it'd be a shame if they're limiting their pool of participants to only people at that level.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,932 ✭✭✭fat bloke


    That's a pity, as on the main route there was plenty of signage - arrows on the tarmac, signs posted, and indeed a motorbike marshall at every junction I encountered.

    For example, when crossing the n81 in the morning there were gardaí to get us across safely as a group. But then coming home, I was on my own having punctured, the Gardaí were STILL there to shepherd me back across the N81. They saw me approach, stopped the traffic and gave me right of way. I was frankly amazed at that. And from there I went through 4 T-junctions and at each one there was a static moto-marshall.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,263 ✭✭✭✭Borderfox


    I missed out on the manor Kilbride part, as did quite a few other people. The registration and start are was a disaster. Only got to see their backs as they sailed off up the road


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