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BBQ Dog is it for you?

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  • #52
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    Yester wrote: »
    What would happen to all the pigs if no one ate them?

    Most probably wouldn't have been born.


  • #53
    Unearthly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,047 ✭✭✭Unearthly


    lassykk wrote: »
    You couldn't be further from hitting a nerve. This is absolute gold and really brightened up my afternoon.

    But just to play along

    - Breakfast - scrambled egg with brown bread during the week - maple rashers with more brown bread at the weekend

    - Cheap processed meat - No I prefer the slightly more expensive processed meat

    - Surprisingly I don't eat a lot of chicken but I'm unsure where it comes from to be honest like a lot of other people

    Your closing argument uses a lot of nice descriptive language which I applaud you for.

    I have also not insulted your intelligence, lifestyle or personal appearance. I actually have no problem at all with vegans or vegetarians and my initial comment that I would try dog given the opportunity was genuine. Quite why that has upset you so much I'm not sure but I guess you might be having a bad day

    To be fair while I'd disagree with your liking for meat, at least you're consistent in your logic and belief so no issue with me with you


  • #54
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    People go into farming forum and open threads to asks questions - moderators close them down.

    Farmers love coming into the vegan though.

    I reckon farmers post in here more than vegans.

    They must be really really fearful of the impending change.


  • #55
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Unearthly wrote: »
    Expand more

    To be fair unearthly - you know I have no issue with anyone eating what the want but the old 'dog thou' thing been done to death a thousand times here. It's an argument that does not have any logical outcome...

    Can't believe some still think that it somehow makes for effective proselytising

    It simply convinces me that some are more interested in trying to use emotion as blackmail than present a coherent argument.

    Better to have an honest debate than that type of malarkey imo but that's just my opinion btw.


  • #56
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    People go into farming forum and open threads to asks questions - moderators close them down.

    Eh no they dont - there's been a bunch of vegan related threads over there - theres even a long running one about those fake burgers - quite an Interesting discussion tbh. Afaik the only ones which got shut down were where a tiny number of extreme plant food advocates got nasty and started attacking posters. There was one where a previously self declared vegan even put themselve up as a farmers apparently to stir **** - that was fairly low tbh.
    Farmers love coming into the vegan though.

    Well if there are discussions about farming / farmers (and tbh a whole load of them have been fairly off the wall) then of course you are going to get farmers and others responding. What do want an echo chamber?
    I reckon farmers post in here more than vegans.

    I reckon farmers and non farmers post here when there are threads about meat and farmers and stunts like that described by the OP. And you know what - that's fair enough
    They must be really really fearful of the impending change.

    From the posts I've seen - posters are simply more interested in correcting the various types of misinformation which is posted about farming and eating meat as part of a balanced diet. But you know that already.


  • #57
    TCP/IP
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    I started the post and I hold my hands up and say I am 100% not a farmer or have any connections with the farming community in case anybody was concerned.


  • #58
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,510 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    People go into farming forum and open threads to asks questions - moderators close them down.

    Farmers love coming into the vegan though.

    I reckon farmers post in here more than vegans.

    They must be really really fearful of the impending change.

    Fearful? Do you think it will be some other group that provides the crops for vegan foods rather than farmers? Farmers do beef etc because there is (supposedly) more money in it. If eating meat was banned tomorrow you'd still be relying on farmers for your food.


  • #59
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    runawaybishop wrote: »
    Fearful? Do you think it will be some other group that provides the crops for vegan foods rather than farmers? Farmers do beef etc because there is (supposedly) more money in it. If eating meat was banned tomorrow you'd still be relying on farmers for your food.

    Not so much 'more money' - the average income from beef type enterprises here are quite modest.

    What is of importance is that farming in Ireland is severely limited by our topography, climate and soils. Livestock farming is aknowledged as better suited to most of the country. Grass is a crop which grows well here and means that cattle can subsist a natural diet for most of the year. Only during the winter months when cattle need to be housed is there a real need for supplementary feed.

    No idea why 'farmers' are seen by some as the enemy. Welfare and animal husbandry standards here are some of the best I've came across across Europe. If there are exceptions- then they need to be dealt with and not used to tar everyone as being exactly the same or to push anyones beliefs.


  • #60
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    I don't give a damn about farmers or vegans for that matter. In fact I don't care what anyone is eating as long as they leave me alone. I just think a stunt with fake dog is completely pointless. If you intend to shock then at least use the real deal.


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  • #61
    auspicious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭auspicious


    meeeeh wrote: »
    I don't give a damn about farmers or vegans for that matter. In fact I don't care what anyone is eating as long as they leave me alone. I just think a stunt with fake dog is completely pointless. If you intend to shock then at least use the real deal.

    There's laws against that.
    Though not if it's a pig.
    Cognitive dissonance anyone?


  • #62
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    auspicious wrote: »
    There's laws against that.Though not if it's a pig.
    Cognitive dissonance anyone?

    Not that old hoary chestnut again? It's been done to death already and shown to be nothing but platitudes.

    But just to reiterate let me ask you a question - do people eat 'rat' for example in this country No? Why is that? One of the main reasons because it's ****e meat - the same as dog. Even in the countries where dog is eaten it is unregulated and a backyard / black market trade. It's been banned in the Philippines and Hong Kong for health reasons such as Rabbies and Sars etc. 

    Tbh the only ones pushing the cognitive dissonance angle seem to those who themselves exhibit the symptoms of same. I would also like to know why vegans don't eat all vegetable matter? Cacti, Grass , Trees? Surely with a bit of seasoning it would all taste the same no?

    Here was one of the last forays into that lack of logic ...

    https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057881174/1


  • #63
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    auspicious wrote: »
    There's laws against that.
    Though not if it's a pig.
    Cognitive dissonance anyone?

    Like they always obey the law. Don't insult people's intelligence and use the excuse of Peta obeying the law as a reason for fake dog.

    As for cognitive dissonance, people put down their dogs all the time and they are not prosecuted for it. But you can't force people to eat things they don't want to. Is that what you want? To force people to eat what you want them to eat?


  • #64
    auspicious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭auspicious


    meeeeh wrote: »
    Like they always obey the law. Don't insult people's intelligence and use the excuse of Peta obeying the law as a reason for fake dog.

    As for cognitive dissonance, people put down their dogs all the time and they are not prosecuted for it. But you can't force people to eat things they don't want to. Is that what you want? To force people to eat what you want them to eat?

    You have a poor understanding of the arguments.
    A pet is euthanised out of care and respect for the animal. It is done to benefit the animal.
    I do not want farmed animals to be exploited and forced to suffer undeserving unnecessary deaths.
    I get all the nutrients, protein included, that I need from plants and I've never enjoyed my food more.


  • #65
    auspicious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭auspicious


    gozunda wrote: »
    Not that old hoary chestnut again? It's been done to death already and shown to be nothing but platitudes.

    Tbh

    It's a well understood psychological concept (tbh) and very pertinent to the subject matter (tbh) tbh.

    tbh
    tbh

    I being honest by the way tbh.


  • #66
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    auspicious wrote: »
    You have a poor understanding of the arguments.A pet is euthanised out of care and respect for the animal. It is done to benefit the animal.
    I do not want farmed animals to be exploited and forced to suffer undeserving unnecessary deaths. I get all the nutrients, protein included, that I need from plants and I've never enjoyed my food more.

    I dont believe he has. No one us forcing you to eat meat etc

    Farm animals are not 'exploited'. They are cared for, fed and their health looked after to produce food for humans. They are cared for not only because it the expeditious thing to do because it is the right thing to do. In this country they are slaughtered in a humane and in a controlled environment which is heavily inspected and regulated. If there are exceptions to this - then that needs to be corrected and not held as cudgel to best everyone else with.

    I understand you do not want animals farmed - but the facts are that the equivalent animals in the wild do not have anything of a similar quality of health or care and their death whilst natural is often fairly brutish and painful. That is simlly how it is.


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  • #67
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    auspicious wrote: »
    Tbh
    It's a well understood psychological concept (tbh) and very pertinent to the subject matter (tbh) tbh.tbh tbh I being honest by the way tbh.

    Considering my reasoned comment - that response comes across as a bit bitchy no? There was one 'tbh' in my comment and you try to take the piss by repeating it without reason in yours lol. Indeed you are funny. If my use of that phrase really offends you - please report me to the grammar police. Otherwise get out.

    And No it is not a "well understood psychological concept" when used with the daft 'dog thou' argument

    It's a term misappropriated by a small number of plant food advocates who regurgitate the same old tired platitudes which they have came across on mainly vegan websites etc

    The fact is that unless the same plant food advocates themselves - eat all types of vegetation without exception then it is a non sequitur.

    I'm sorry you don't seem to understand that.


  • #68
    Always Tired
    Closed Accounts Posts: 945 ✭✭✭Always Tired


    Lil Sally Anne Jnr. wrote: »
    Probably the first stunt I've seen PETA pull that I admire.

    I know it's hip to look down on vegans these days, but if you're too squeamish to look at a fake dog being barbecued then you have no business eating meat, and I include children in that. Ignorance may be bliss, but hiding the truth from yourself is weak af.

    I agree. You'll notice meat eaters never will watch any of the programs peta or other organizations put out that show what the reality of animals being raised and killed for meat is.

    I live in a rural town and the other day I walked by a van full of chickens in cages. Well they were more like tiny crates. Stacked on top of eachother, with a little hole just wide enough to stick their head out. they all looked very stressed and the smell was rank. the whole scene just gave me a horrible feeling. totally different to the clinical, neatly presented products we buy in the shops.

    and that wasnt even the worst part of the process.


  • #69
    auspicious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭auspicious


    gozunda wrote: »
    Considering my reasoned comment- that response comes across as a bit bitchy no? There was one 'tbh' in my comment and you try to take the piss by putting 3 in yours lol. Indeed you are funny.

    And No it is not a "well understood psychological concept".

    It's a rather stupid makey uppy BS argument used by a small number of plant food advocates who regurgitate the same old tired platitudes which they have came across on mainly vegan websites etc

    The fact is that unless the same plant food advocates themselves - eat all types of vegetation without exception then is a non sequitur.

    I'm sorry you don't seem to understand that.

    Tired platitudes? Lol. Were you not recently supporting the idiotic BS idea that plants have feelings? You just get better and better.
    Like pruning your shrubs is the same as plunging a knife in to a traumatised animal's neck.


    Eat all types of vegetation...... What??!!! As I said you keep getting better and better. You've brightened up day. My sides are actually hurting.
    tbh


  • #70
    auspicious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭auspicious


    gozunda wrote: »
    I dont believe he has. No one us forcing you to eat meat or is slapping the veggie burger out of your hands.

    Farm animals are not 'exploited'. .....

    .....I understand you do not want animals farmed - but the facts are that the equivalent animals in the wild do not have anything of a similar quality of health or care and their death whilst natural is often fairly brutish and painful. That is simlly how it is.

    Not exploited? Oh dear. That sir is cognitive dissonance.

    So you propose farming all wildlife so you can NOT exploit them and give them healthcare.
    Ermmm not sure how to respond to that tbh.


  • #71
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    auspicious wrote: »
    Tired platitudes? Lol. Were you not recently supporting the idiotic BS idea that plants have feelings? You just get better and better.
    Like pruning your shrubs is the same as plunging a knife in to a traumatised animal's neck.Eat all types of vegetation...... What??!!! As I said you keep getting better and better. You've brightened up day. My sides are actually hurting.
    tbh

    Indeed tired platitudes. 'Cognitive dissonance' being the one under discussion atm.

    Nope. Incorrect. I did not claim "plants have feelings". I showed that there is a significant body of recognised research which has proven that plants are indeed 'sentient'. Do you understand that?

    Not to digress and back to the topic in hand - tell me by what reasoning do you not eat all types of vegetation and only choose to eat selected ones? Does that sound similar to you?

    Btw the tone of your comments are increasingly petulant and off the wall. If you wish to go down that drain pipe - then be my guest - I wont be joining you.


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  • #72
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    auspicious wrote: »
    You have a poor understanding of the arguments.
    A pet is euthanised out of care and respect for the animal. It is done to benefit the animal.

    Or for the benefit of new carpet or sofa. You can euthanise an animal for whatever reason you want. I'm pretty sure Fluffy won't care afterwards if it ends on the bbq or not.

    As for your diet, I never asked you what you eat so I don't know why you feel the need explaining your dietary preferences. It's not up to me to approve or disprove them.


  • #73
    auspicious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭auspicious


    gozunda wrote: »
    . If you wish to go down that drain pipe - then be my guest - I wont be joining you.

    Is that all it took? Ffs I should have done it sooner. I'll pass the word around all boards.ie topics so everyone knows what to do.
    Slan leat.


  • #74
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    auspicious wrote: »
    Not exploited? Oh dear. That sir is cognitive dissonance. So you propose farming all wildlife so you can NOT exploit them and give them healthcare.
    Ermmm not sure how to respond to that tbh.

    ?????....

    Jumping straight over the wall of logic again? Clearly humans have adapted a range of animals (and plants) which were once wild for the purposes of farming in order to produce food. We no longer need to hunt animals with spears or drive them over cliffs. The same way we do not have to forage for our fruit and vegetables.

    It's called farming and means the animals and crops under our care are tended and looked after in order to provide food for humans but also because as in the case of animals looking after them well is the right thing to do. It's a pity that some don't seem to understand that concept.

    You also failed to answer the one question I asked of you viz.

    By what reasoning do you not eat all types of vegetation and only choose to eat selected ones? 

    Finally you seriously need to have a look at your comments. One thing for sure you're not doing those v*gan arguments any favours.

    Take a read of this - I find it's a great guide for constructive posting- but maybe that's just me...

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/faq.php?faq=bie_faq


  • #75
    auspicious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭auspicious


    gozunda wrote: »
    Jumping straight over the wall of logic again?

    Nope. Just reading between the lines.
    I haven't read the rest of your post as you are a person who always has to have the last word and that says a lot.
    I'll let you have it from now on


  • #76
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    auspicious wrote: »
    Nope. Just reading between the lines.I haven't read the rest of your post as you are a person who always has to have the last word and that says a lot.I'll let you have it from now on

    It's a discussion. It's certainly not about being first or last or whatever. I asked a simple question but for some reason that was ignored and instead go on about 'tbh' and make personal remarks as above. If you want attack my argument - I have no issue at all with that. I leave it with you if want to reply. Ok.


  • #77
    runawaybishop
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    Always Tired wrote: »
    I agree. You'll notice meat eaters never will watch any of the programs peta or other organizations put out that show what the reality of animals being raised and killed for meat is.

    I live in a rural town and the other day I walked by a van full of chickens in cages. Well they were more like tiny crates. Stacked on top of eachother, with a little hole just wide enough to stick their head out. they all looked very stressed and the smell was rank. the whole scene just gave me a horrible feeling. totally different to the clinical, neatly presented products we buy in the shops.

    and that wasnt even the worst part of the process.

    I am well aware of where my meat comes from. I have no problems watching clips of how they are slaughtered either. The vast majority of rural people are fully aware of how their food ends up on their plate.


  • #78
    [Deleted User]
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    I've eaten flame grilled dog.

    Honestly? It was delicious


  • #79
    [Deleted User]
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    runawaybishop wrote: »
    I am well aware of where my meat comes from. I have no problems watching clips of how they are slaughtered either. The vast majority of rural people are fully aware of how their food ends up on their plate.




    I know damn well where some of my meat comes from. Right down the sights.


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