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Bus Eireann N3/M3 Corridor Route & Timetable Changes - Phase 3
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Lucky to have had two days off last week, and stayed clear of BE for the other days given the reports that were coming out .
Looking at options for tomorrow . There are something like 10 buses arriving in the square between 6 and 740 am and the can't offer as much as one true express service ?
7:20 or so really is a crunch time for those starting work or college in the city at 9 . Just having a quick look at the time table.
Current options are a slow coach at 7.25 that will purported hit o Connell street at 8:39 or an "express service " at 7:20 that will do the same by 8:33.
So BE's idea of an express service at a key time is one minute quicker 🙄🙄🙄
Sillian on the other hand at least claim there 7.20 will have you in for 8:13 , so will definitely take them up on that to see how it goes .
Still can't believe they have scrapped the true express services morning and evening that worked so well .
This new timetable has so many flaws I think it's definitely another nail in the BE coffin .0 -
Commuter109 wrote: »Lucky to have had two days off last week, and stayed clear of BE for the other days given the reports that were coming out .
Looking at options for tomorrow . There are something like 10 buses arriving in the square between 6 and 740 am and the can't offer as much as one true express service ?
7:20 or so really is a crunch time for those starting work or college in the city at 9 . Just having a quick look at the time table.
Current options are a slow coach at 7.25 that will purported hit o Connell street at 8:39 or an "express service " at 7:20 that will do the same by 8:33.
So BE's idea of an express service at a key time is one minute quicker ������
Sillian on the other hand at least claim there 7.20 will have you in for 8:13 , so will definitely take them up on that to see how it goes .
Still can't believe they have scrapped the true express services morning and evening that worked so well .
This new timetable has so many flaws I think it's definitely another nail in the BE coffin .
Do you not see any positives at all. in the new timetables for the services between Cavan and Dublin?
Cavan and Virginia passengers have more options of services that avoid Navan and Dunshaughlin.
The 109X Cavan Dublin services that do serve Navan, stop and pick up at the Navan Fire Station Abbey Road stop, meaning they don't have to go through Trimgate Street and the Market Square.
There are far more services to and from Dublin and Navan which are scheduled every 20 minutes. People who live in Johnstown have more options for getting to and from Navan town centre, and to and from Johnstown and Dublin.
There are more services for people in Johnstown getting to and from Dublin.
Navan passengers have services to and from Dublin throughout the whole day that avoid Clonee and Dunshaughlin. Navan passengers don't have to wait at Market Square for a bus coming from Cavan, which might be late.
They can get the NX bus, that is scheduled to leave from Navan every 20 minutes, to and from Navan Market Square and Wilton Terrace. The NX From Dublin picks up at Wilton Terrace and Beresford Place, instead of starting from Bus Aras. Some posters, in this forum, were unhappy that 109 services, to and from Dublin and Navan, started from Bus Aras when going to Navan.
Previously, at Navan Market Square, if passengers missed any of the 109 services that started in Kells at 15 minutes past the hour - which were generally on time for the stop at Navan at 35 minutes past the hour - you might be waiting at Navan Market Square for 40 plus minutes for the next scheduled 109 services at 5 past the hour, that started in Cavan on the previous hour.
The buses from Cavan to Dublin that were scheduled to be in Navan at 5 past the hour, were often delayed by 10-15 minutes.
These Cavan - Dublin 109 services were often 10-15 minutes late when they got to the Market Square bus stop, after coming from Kells, where they were scheduled to drop off and pick up at Kells at 45 minutes past the hour, and often, heavy traffic when entering Navan town centre, contributed further to that delay.
Passengers for the Berkeley Road Mater Hospital area stop can still get there, on the 109 Kells Navan Dunshaughlin Dublin route.
I would imagine, that if it can be shown to Bus Éireann and The NTA, that there would be enough people going direct to and from Navan and Dublin City Centre, at particular times in the morning and evening, that Bus Éireann and The NTA would be receptive to the idea of reinstating the direct services that had been operating.0 -
Got the 109x yesterday from Dublin to Virginia. Only took 85 minutes. Brilliant improvement on the 109 imo0
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Horseburger, a few select videos to bus eireann's twitter account might make the visual aspect of the issue more front and face in the public eye. A video of the queues and their new digital bus tops might raise the profile of the issue.
Navan needs a better service than this.
Meanwhile on the train, one can gauge ones time to work to the nearest minute.0 -
Cannon_fodder wrote: »Horseburger, a few select videos to bus eireann's twitter account might make the visual aspect of the issue more front and face in the public eye. A video of the queues and their new digital bus tops might raise the profile of the issue.
Navan needs a better service than this.
Meanwhile on the train, one can gauge ones time to work to the nearest minute.
I know that at certain times of the morning, to Dublin, and from Dublin in the evening, that there'd be enough passengers to and from Navan Market Square and Dublin City Centre, to run an express service, with no stops in between, like the 109 at 5.30pm and 6.30pm that used to go out the Port Tunnell from Dublin.
The other aspect of it is, that at other times, I am not sure that there would be enough people at the Market Square, going to Dublin to fill a bus that wouldn't stop anywhere in between Navan Market Square and Dublin City Centre.
Someone, in an earlier post, expressed displeasure about the NX serving Blanchardstown Slip Road.
This poster suggested that Blanchardstown Slip Road should be covered on the 109 service instead of the NX.
The NX serves Johnstown, and perhaps there are passengers at Blanchardstown Slip Road, taking the NX service, from Wilton Terrace, Beresford Place and Blanchardstown Slip Road, for Johnstown.
The 109 service no longer serves Johnstown. The 109 services that used to leave from Bus Aras at 30 minutes past the hour, Monday to Friday, and the 109 services at 5 minutes to the hour from Navan Market Square to Dublin, Monday to Friday, used to serve Johnstown.
They don't anymore, since 17th September.
If the NX didn't serve Johnstown, which service should serve Johnstown?
The 109 covers Kells, Navan, Dunshaughlin, Clonee, Blanchardstown Slip Road and Dublin city centre.
What other service should cover Johnstown, to and from Navan and Dublin?
If the NX didn't serve Johnstown, and the 109 did, is it reasonable to expect passengers from Kells who are going to Dublin, to also have to go through Johnstown, as well as Navan, Dunshaughlin, and Clonee?0 -
Saw at least 8 people at the bus stop in Johnstown SC this morning. A bloody feeder bus to hog them down the town is what is required and leave the provincial service leave the town without acting as local short hop bus.
At the early hours between 6.30 and 8 such a service should be circulating every 20 mins.
A bit of imagination by BE and it would be a better service.
The 109 and not the NX should service BSC. An xpress service is town to town or Navan to Dublin.0 -
Cannon_fodder wrote: »Saw at least 8 people at the bus stop in Johnstown SC this morning. A bloody feeder bus to hog them down the town is what is required and leave the provincial service leave the town without acting as local short hop bus.
At the early hours between 6.30 and 8 such a service should be circulating every 20 mins.
A bit of imagination by BE and it would be a better service.
The 109 and not the NX should service BSC. An xpress service is town to town or Navan to Dublin.
I am not sure that there'd be enough people at any one bus stop at any scheduled time, except at certain times of the morning an evening, to justify running express services throughout the day, to and from locations, that did not serve intermediate stops.
Neither the 109, NX, or 109X buses serve Blanchardstown Shopping Centre anymore.
The 109, 109X and NX buses, serve the Blanchardstown Slip Roads to and from Dublin.
The issue is that there are passengers for Johnstown, who have been getting the NX, at Wilton Terrace, Beresford Place and Blanchardstown Slip Road, going to Johnstown.
I'm sure they don't want to go through Clonee or Dunshaughlin, on the 109 service - any more than passengers who go to and from Dublin city centre and Navan Market Square - and then have to wait for a connecting service to Johnstown from Navan town centre.
If there was a feeder bus, operating in the morning, in the way you suggest between 6.30am and 8am, then, I guess it would operate in the evening, between around 6pm and 8pm, to bring passengers back to Johnstown?
If the NX stopped serving Blanchardstown Slip Road, and there was a limited feeder bus service at particular times in the morning and evening, to and from Navan town centre and Johnstown, then for most of the day and evening until the last NX service to and from Navan and Dublin, the passengers for Johnstown, going to and from the Blanchardstown Slip Road, getting off the 109 at the Mercy Convent stop in Navan, would have no bus service to Johnstown, unless a feeder bus operated throughout the same time as the NX is scheduled to operate, all day until late evening.
It is very hard for any bus company to make timetable changes that receives the approval of all its customers.
For example, a follow on from the changes is that the NX service does not serve the Mater Hospital Berkeley Road Stop, where previously the 109 services that covered Navan Market Square to Johnstown, and on to Dublin, did stop at the Mater Hospital stop at Berkeley Road.0 -
Cannon_fodder wrote: »Horseburger, a few select videos to bus eireann's twitter account might make the visual aspect of the issue more front and face in the public eye. A video of the queues and their new digital bus tops might raise the profile of the issue.
Navan needs a better service than this.
Meanwhile on the train, one can gauge ones time to work to the nearest minute.
Totally agree Cannon Fodder. This seems to be lost on some people who all they do is cut and paste - cut and paste bland open ended posts with no substance and no solutions.
An express service for Navan, dictated by its condensed population makes sense. Not one every 20 minutes but at extreme peak times. A reliable service where you know that its going to arrive and depart on time Monday to Friday. Would I pay extra for this? I surely would. How hard of a concept is that?0 -
Cannon_fodder wrote: »Saw at least 8 people at the bus stop in Johnstown SC this morning. A bloody feeder bus to hog them down the town is what is required and leave the provincial service leave the town without acting as local short hop bus.
At the early hours between 6.30 and 8 such a service should be circulating every 20 mins.
A bit of imagination by BE and it would be a better service.
The 109 and not the NX should service BSC. An xpress service is town to town or Navan to Dublin.
Exactly. This seems to be lost on Horseburger. One waits now for 1000 word reply to this post.0 -
Got the 109x yesterday from Dublin to Virginia. Only took 85 minutes. Brilliant improvement on the 109 imo
Very impressive. Took the NX home from Dublin to see what it was like and it took the same time. While I thought that was OK, to Virginia its very very impressive. At lease some good has come out of these new changes.0 -
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Exactly. This seems to be lost on Horseburger. One waits now for 1000 word reply to this post.
No Tom23.
This is not lost on me.
I never said that there shouldn't be express services. I questioned how full an express service would be to and from Navan Market Square and Dublin, throughout the whole day, that didn't stop in places like Johnstown or the Blanchardstown Slip Roads.
I asked this because very often at Market Square there wouldn't be more than 10 or 12 people getting on the bus for Dublin, at times throughout the day, and often there'd be less than that.
I questioned how successful express services would be, from places like Kells and Virginia to Dublin.
I questioned this for a number of reasons.
The 109 buses from Cavan to Dublin on the previous timetable were able to accommodate passengers at all intermediate points; Virginia, Kells, Navan, Dunshaughlin and Clonee.
A company tried a service in October 2013, which picked up in Virginia going to Dublin, avoiding Kells, Navan and Dunshaughlin, and it lasted about three weeks.
As far as I am aware, Bus Éireann has never operated express services from Kells to Dublin, or Virginia to Dublin.
I guess neither Bus Éireann or the NTA think they would be viable. I guess this is why Bus Éireann and the NTA, have maintained the Kells, Navan, Dunshaughlin, Dublin 109 route.
At times of the day, other than at certain times in the morning and evening, very often only a handful of people get on the buses for Dublin at Market Square.
That's the issue, that there aren't enough people getting on at Navan Market Square, at any one time, except certain times in the morning and evening, to justify not stopping at other locations.
Taking that into consideration, is it reasonable to expect passengers from Kells who are going to Dublin on the 109, who also have to go through Navan, Dunshaughlin and Clonee, to have to go through Johnstown, as suggested in an earlier post, and Blanchardstown Slip Road, as suggested by the poster above - a comment which received your endorsement, in a scenario where the NX didn't cover the Blanchardstown Slip Roads?
What service should places like Johnstown have, to and from Dublin, or to and from the Blanchardstown Slip Roads and Johnstown, in a scenario where the NX didn't serve Johnstown, or the Blanchardstown Slip Roads, and there was just a feeder bus to and from Johnstown and Navan Market Square only in the morning and again in the evening?
Or do you just think that any bus that you don't use, should serve places you don't want to go through, and disregard the passengers who go to Dublin from further out than Navan, who don't want to go through places like Dunshaughlin and Clonee, any more than passengers to and from Dublin, who get the buses at Navan.
Is your suggestion, just that the 109, should cover Johnstown, because it's a service you won't need to take?
The only service that would satisfy everyone, is that if everyone had an express service from their area to and from Dublin; Cavan to and from Dublin, Virginia to and from Dublin, Kells to and from Dublin, Navan to and from Dublin, Dunshaughlin to and from Dublin, services that start and end at each location that do not stop anywhere else, but it seems to me, that having separate express services, from each of these locations, to Dublin, is not viable.0 -
horseburger wrote: »No Tom23.
This is not lost on me.
I never said that there shouldn't be express services. I questioned how full an express service would be to and from Navan Market Square and Dublin, throughout the whole day, that didn't stop in places like Johnstown or the Blanchardstown Slip Roads.
I asked this because very often at Market Square there wouldn't be more than 10 or 12 people getting on the bus for Dublin, at times throughout the day, and often there'd be less than that.
I questioned how successful express services would be, from places like Kells and Virginia to Dublin.
I questioned this for a number of reasons.
The 109 buses from Cavan to Dublin on the previous timetable were able to accommodate passengers at all intermediate points; Virginia, Kells, Navan, Dunshaughlin and Clonee.
A company tried a service in October 2013, which picked up in Virginia going to Dublin, avoiding Kells, Navan and Dunshaughlin, and it lasted about three weeks.
As far as I am aware, Bus Éireann has never operated express services from Kells to Dublin, or Virginia to Dublin.
I guess neither Bus Éireann or the NTA think they would be viable. I guess this is why Bus Éireann and the NTA, have maintained the Kells, Navan, Dunshaughlin, Dublin 109 route.
At times of the day, other than at certain times in the morning and evening, very often only a handful of people get on the buses for Dublin at Market Square.
That's the issue, that there aren't enough people getting on at Navan Market Square, at any one time, except certain times in the morning and evening, to justify not stopping at other locations.
Taking that into consideration, is it reasonable to expect passengers from Kells who are going to Dublin on the 109, who also have to go through Navan, Dunshaughlin and Clonee, to have to go through Johnstown, as suggested in an earlier post, and Blanchardstown Slip Road, as suggested by the poster above - a comment which received your endorsement, in a scenario where the NX didn't cover the Blanchardstown Slip Roads?
What service should places like Johnstown have, to and from Dublin, or to and from the Blanchardstown Slip Roads and Johnstown, in a scenario where the NX didn't serve Johnstown, or the Blanchardstown Slip Roads, and there was just a feeder bus to and from Johnstown and Navan Market Square only in the morning and again in the evening?
Or do you just think that any bus that you don't use, should serve places you don't want to go through, and disregard the passengers who go to Dublin from further out than Navan, who don't want to go through places like Dunshaughlin and Clonee, any more than passengers to and from Dublin, who get the buses at Navan.
Is your suggestion, just that the 109, should cover Johnstown, because it's a service you won't need to take?
The only service that would satisfy everyone, is that if everyone had an express service from their area to and from Dublin; Cavan to and from Dublin, Virginia to and from Dublin, Kells to and from Dublin, Navan to and from Dublin, Dunshaughlin to and from Dublin, services that start and end at each location that do not stop anywhere else, but it seems to me, that having separate express services, from each of these locations, to Dublin, is not viable.
Folks, it is very obvious to me at least that there are a number of us here who are having a conversation about express services to and from Navan at peak times , and another individual appears to be arguing with himself around express services along the whole route peak and non peak hours.
My experience of the NX to date has been shaky to say the least. 1 hour 33 to O O'Connell street on Monday and circa 1 hour 23 this morning. Two buses ( 5.40 and 6.00) simply not showing yesterday evening. The numbers getting on in the square being at least twice those getting on on all other stops combined as far as Garlow. 2 to 3 people out of a bus load using the Blanch slip road.0 -
horseburger wrote: »No Tom23.
This is not lost on me.
I never said that there shouldn't be express services. I questioned how full an express service would be to and from Navan Market Square and Dublin, throughout the whole day, that didn't stop in places like Johnstown or the Blanchardstown Slip Roads.
I asked this because very often at Market Square there wouldn't be more than 10 or 12 people getting on the bus for Dublin, at times throughout the day, and often there'd be less than that.
I questioned how successful express services would be, from places like Kells and Virginia to Dublin.
I questioned this for a number of reasons.
The 109 buses from Cavan to Dublin on the previous timetable were able to accommodate passengers at all intermediate points; Virginia, Kells, Navan, Dunshaughlin and Clonee.
A company tried a service in October 2013, which picked up in Virginia going to Dublin, avoiding Kells, Navan and Dunshaughlin, and it lasted about three weeks.
As far as I am aware, Bus Éireann has never operated express services from Kells to Dublin, or Virginia to Dublin.
I guess neither Bus Éireann or the NTA think they would be viable. I guess this is why Bus Éireann and the NTA, have maintained the Kells, Navan, Dunshaughlin, Dublin 109 route.
At times of the day, other than at certain times in the morning and evening, very often only a handful of people get on the buses for Dublin at Market Square.
That's the issue, that there aren't enough people getting on at Navan Market Square, at any one time, except certain times in the morning and evening, to justify not stopping at other locations.
Taking that into consideration, is it reasonable to expect passengers from Kells who are going to Dublin on the 109, who also have to go through Navan, Dunshaughlin and Clonee, to have to go through Johnstown, as suggested in an earlier post, and Blanchardstown Slip Road, as suggested by the poster above - a comment which received your endorsement, in a scenario where the NX didn't cover the Blanchardstown Slip Roads?
What service should places like Johnstown have, to and from Dublin, or to and from the Blanchardstown Slip Roads and Johnstown, in a scenario where the NX didn't serve Johnstown, or the Blanchardstown Slip Roads, and there was just a feeder bus to and from Johnstown and Navan Market Square only in the morning and again in the evening?
Or do you just think that any bus that you don't use, should serve places you don't want to go through, and disregard the passengers who go to Dublin from further out than Navan, who don't want to go through places like Dunshaughlin and Clonee, any more than passengers to and from Dublin, who get the buses at Navan.
Is your suggestion, just that the 109, should cover Johnstown, because it's a service you won't need to take?
The only service that would satisfy everyone, is that if everyone had an express service from their area to and from Dublin; Cavan to and from Dublin, Virginia to and from Dublin, Kells to and from Dublin, Navan to and from Dublin, Dunshaughlin to and from Dublin, services that start and end at each location that do not stop anywhere else, but it seems to me, that having separate express services, from each of these locations, to Dublin, is not viable.
I would disagree I think there is scope to run an express service. As I said not all departures need to be express just a select few at peak times. And I ll keep saying the 07:05 and 07:20 where very very popular? Why?0 -
Commuter109 wrote: »Folks, it is very obvious to me at least that there are a number of us here who are having a conversation about express services to and from Navan at peak times , and another individuals appears to be arguing with himself around express services along the whole route peak and non peak hours.
My experience of the NX to date has been shaky to say the least. 1 hour 33 to O O'Connell street on Monday and circa 1 hour 23 this morning. Two buses ( 5.40 and 6.00) simply not showing yesterday evening. The numbers getting on in the square being at least twice those getting on on all other stops combined as far as Garlow. 2 to 3 people out of a bus load using the Blanch slip road.
"Folks",
I am asking, if there are more express services, how these would operate. I am asking this with consideration to the issue that people who take buses to and from Dublin, don't particularly want to have to go through the next intermediate town that they do not go to.
I mentioned the issue of express services to and from places like Virginia, and Kells, and whether or not they would be viable, with regard to my understanding, that Bus Éireann has never operated separate express services to and from Virginia and Dublin, or to and from Kells and Dublin, that didn't stop anywhere in between.
I mentioned this issue, to suggest that Bus Éireann might consider that separate express services from places like Virginia and Kells to Dublin, would not be viable, if there isn't enough people going to and from Virginia and Kells and Dublin, at any one time, to justify running a bus that didn't stop anywhere else before Dublin.
"Folks", I mentioned these issues, about services to and from Viriginia, Kells and Dublin, to consider why Bus Éireann and NTA, have decided on the particular changes to the overall Cavan Dublin services - which include intermediate stops on both the 109 and 109X services - and not just the changes to the Navan Dublin services.
I am asking what services would people consider should be put in place for places like Johnstown and the Blanchardstown Slip Roads, for people who are at Johnstown going to and from Dublin, and people going to and from the Blanchardstown Slip Roads and Johnstown, if the NX didn't serve Johnstown or the Blanchardstown Slip Roads, as has been suggested by posters above.
The people who are suggesting the NX should not serve Johnstown or Blanchardstown Slip Roads, are not coming up with much of an answer.
The 109 no longer serves Johnstown, so that is not an alternative suggestion. The NX serves Johnstown.
"Folks", you might notice that I didn't need to underline any of my text.0 -
horseburger wrote: »"Folks",
I am asking what services would people consider should be put in place for places like Johnstown and the Blanchardstown Slip Roads, for people who are at Johnstown going to and from Dublin, and people going to and from Blanchardstown from Johnstown, if the NX didn't serve Johnston or Blanchardstown, as has been suggested by posters above.
The people who are suggesting the NX should not serve Johnstown or Blanchardstown, are not coming up with much of an answer.
The 109 no longer serves Johnstown, so that is not an alternative suggestion. The NX serves Johnstown.
Who's asking Horseburger, NTA or BE? And you say you work for who again?0 -
horseburger wrote: »"Folks",
I am asking what services would people consider should be put in place for places like Johnstown and the Blanchardstown Slip Roads, for people who are at Johnstown going to and from Dublin, and people going to and from Blanchardstown from Johnstown, if the NX didn't serve Johnston or Blanchardstown, as has been suggested by posters above.
The people who are suggesting the NX should not serve Johnstown or Blanchardstown, are not coming up with much of an answer.
The 109 no longer serves Johnstown, so that is not an alternative suggestion. The NX serves Johnstown.
Ok take Johnston, what folks living on Balreask Manor, Slane Road, all have to walk a considerable distance to get a bus stop.
Fine if we have to serve Johnstown, you run your express from MARKET SQAURE and then Johnstown Stops and then back on the motorway at Navan, thats the trade off at NOT stopping at Blanch. Down the Navan road. at least 2-3 from the early morning peak departures would do. Thats an Express.0 -
I would disagree I think there is scope to run an express service. As I said not all departures need to be express just a select few at peak times. And I ll keep saying the 07:05 and 07:20 where very very popular? Why?
I never said there shouldn't be express services, where there is enough people at particular times to and from Dublin. I have emphasised that a number of times.
I said that the only measure that would satisfy all passengers, would be express services from each location between Cavan and Dublin to and from Dublin. That is what I suggested would not be viable, because I don't think you'd have enough people at any one bus stop, at any one time, throughout the whole day, to merit each bus being an express service.
I am not sure that, outside of particular times in the morning and evening, to and from Dublin, that there would be enough people at Market Square, to merit a service from Navan Market Square to Dublin, not stopping at any other intermediate stops.
I think Bus Éireann and the NTA have decided to include Johnstown and the Blanchardstown Slip Roads on the NX route throughout the day, because it is only at particular times in the morning and evening to and from Dublin, that there'd be enough people, at Market Square to Dublin, and from Dublin to Navan town centre, to fill certain services.
Other times, there's room for passengers at the Market Square and Johnstown.0 -
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Ok take Johnston, what folks living on Balreask Manor, Slane Road, all have to walk a considerable distance to get a bus stop.
Fine if we have to serve Johnstown, you run your express from MARKET SQAURE and then Johnstown Stops and then back on the motorway at Navan, thats the trade off at NOT stopping at Blanch. Down the Navan road. at least 2-3 from the early morning peak departures would do. Thats an Express.
Thanks for your suggestion as to how the issue might be resolved.
It's better than making snide remarks.0 -
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horseburger wrote: »Thanks for your suggestion as to how the issue might be resolved.
It's better than making snide remarks.
Your welcome. I think this version of an express is fair, Johnstown gets served. Commuters from Navan get their Express back and everyone is happy. Another way to speed up this Express is LEAP CARDs only, no fumbling with large bank notes and internet tickets.0 -
On the 5:15 109X. Still on the M50. Can't see how this service is ment to be quicker at peak times.
Went into the city on the 11:10 from Virginia. Again I cannot see the point in going Via Finglas or the M50.0 -
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the new timetable for Dunshaughlin is brutal. Today I got the bus from Dunshaughlin to Navan, then back to Dunshaughlin. 2 buses failed to turn up and then on the way home, I noticed that most of the services were NX which use the motorway and avoid Dunshaughlin, no 109 for over an hour.
Then this evening got the bus from Dunshaughlin to blanch, had no problems there, then on way home waited over an hour a 109 on the slip road and in that time 6 X services passed, none of them going to Dunshaughlin, then the 109 failed to show and I saw it driving past on the N3, avoiding the slip road altogether. Myself and my friends ended up phoning for a lift after waiting over 90 minutes with no service available, absolutely disgraceful.0 -
Make sure to send your compliments through in writing to Bus Eireann and also your local county councillor. Only chance of some improvements.0
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Make sure to send your compliments through in writing to Bus Eireann and also your local county councillor. Only chance of some improvements.
I think if bus users send in observations to the NTA and Bus Éireann, that would be far more worthwhile than contacting public representatives.
If the county councilor or TD, or senator, doesn't use the bus services regularly, they won't be able to speak, or write with any knowledge or authority, on the issue.
Bus users would be far more able to articulate, and express, the issues of concern, because they are far more familiar with the services.
An example is, Regina Doherty's press statement last year when she was giving out about changes to the 103 and 105 services.
She issued a press statement saying how awful it was that passengers from Duleek and Kentstown would no longer be able to get to Dublin on the 105, because the route of the 105 was being changed to serve Blanchardstown Connolly Hospital as a last stop, instead of Dublin city centre.
She didn't even know that the 105 had never served Duleek or Kentstown, when the 105 had served Ratoath and Ashbourne, to and from Dublin, before the timetable changes to the 103 and 105 services in 2016.
Duleek had been served on the 103, and Kentstown on the 107, at the time that Regina Doherty issued that press statement.
Her statement, in January 2016, starts with the following paragraph:
"Fine Gael TD for Meath East, Regina Doherty, has called on Bus Eireann to reverse proposed changes to Route 105 which will see the new terminus at Connolly Hospital and will no longer bring commuters from Duleek, Kentstown, Ashbourne, and Ratoath to the city centre".
http://reginadoherty.blogspot.ie/2016/01/doherty-calls-for-reversal-of-proposed.html0 -
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the new timetable for Dunshaughlin is brutal. Today I got the bus from Dunshaughlin to Navan, then back to Dunshaughlin. 2 buses failed to turn up and then on the way home, I noticed that most of the services were NX which use the motorway and avoid Dunshaughlin, no 109 for over an hour.
Then this evening got the bus from Dunshaughlin to blanch, had no problems there, then on way home waited over an hour a 109 on the slip road and in that time 6 X services passed, none of them going to Dunshaughlin, then the 109 failed to show and I saw it driving past on the N3, avoiding the slip road altogether. Myself and my friends ended up phoning for a lift after waiting over 90 minutes with no service available, absolutely disgraceful.
Perhaps it is more accurate to state that it isn't the timetable that is brutal, and that what is brutal, are the issues that occurred that resulted in buses not arriving, according to the timetable?
There are 109 buses scheduled to operate every 20 minutes, and every 30 minutes, to and from Dunshaughlin and Blanchardstown, for much of the day.
The scheduled services on the 109 between Navan and Dunshaughlin are also quite frequent. The 109A operates 24 hours between Navan and Dunshaughlin.
One disadvantage of the timetable changes on the 109X between Cavan and Dublin is that there is no longer a direct connection between Dunshaughlin, Virginia and Cavan. Anyone at Cavan or Virginia going to Dunshaughlin would have to change buses at Kells.
http://buseireann.ie/timetables/1504435589-109.pdf
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On the 5:15 109X. Still on the M50. Can't see how this service is ment to be quicker at peak times.
Went into the city on the 11:10 from Virginia. Again I cannot see the point in going Via Finglas or the M50.
The 109X to and from Dublin and Cavan, serves stops to and from Finglas and Glasnevin. That is why it goes via Finglas.
That might seem like an obvious answer to your query, wondering what the point is, of it going via Finglas.
The 109X from Dublin serves Whitworth Road Lower, Glasnevin Hart's Corner, Finglas (Opposite Bottom of Hill) and Finglas (North Road Westbound)
The 109X from Cavan serves Finglas (North Road), Finglas (Bottom of Hill) and Dublin (Glasnevin)
If no one got out at Finglas or Glasnevin, on the particular bus you got from Virginia, it doesn't mean that people didn't get out at Finglas or Glasnevin, on one of the earlier or later 109X services, from Cavan to Dublin, at the stops at; Finglas North Road, Finglas (Bottom of Hill) and Dublin (Glasnevin),
If no one got on the 109X service that you got at 5.15pm from Dublin to Cavan, at the stops at; Lower Dorset Street, Whitworth Road Lower, Glasnevin (Harts Corner), Finglas (Opposite Bottom of Hill) and Finglas (North Road Westbound), it doesn't mean that no one got on at these stops on the the earlier or later 109X services, from Dublin to Cavan.
At least on the 5.15pm 109X from Dublin, you didn't have to go through Navan!:)
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horseburger wrote: »Perhaps it is more accurate to state that it isn't the timetable that is brutal, and that what is brutal, are the issues that occurred that resulted in buses not arriving, according to the timetable?
There are 109 buses scheduled to operate every 20 minutes, and every 30 minutes, to and from Dunshaughlin and Blanchardstown, for much of the day.
The scheduled services on the 109 between Navan and Dunshaughlin are also quite frequent. The 109A operates 24 hours between Navan and Dunshaughlin.
One disadvantage of the timetable changes on the 109X between Cavan and Dublin is that there is no longer a direct connection between Dunshaughlin, Virginia and Cavan. Anyone at Cavan or Virginia going to Dunshaughlin would have to change buses at Kells.
http://buseireann.ie/timetables/1504435589-109.pdf
http://buseireann.ie/timetables/1504435671-109X.pdf
Dunshaughlin now has less peak time buses and from the timetable anyway none serve the South city anymore0 -
Dunshaughlin now has less peak time buses and from the timetable anyway none serve the South city anymore
I was referring to the frequency of connections between Dunshaughlin and Navan, and Dunshaughlin and the Blanchardstown Slip Roads, in reply to the post about these locations, which were mentioned by the poster above, named Gonzo. Gonzo described the timetable as brutal, in relation to getting to and from the Blanchardstown Slip Roads and Dunshaughlin, and to and from Dunshaughlin and Navan.
It sounds to me, that it isn't the timetable that is at fault, in relation to the 109 services, to and from Navan and Dunshaughlin, and to and from Dunshaughlin and the Blanchardstown Slip Roads not operating, according to the timetable, as indicated by Gonzo. There is a very frequent service scheduled, as outlined in the timetable.
The issue is that the services did not operate according to the timetable, and it seems that it wasn't due to traffic issues, that services were not operating at particular times.
Absenteeism was mentioned in this RTE news item, as a reason for some of the services not operating according to the new timetable.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0926/907636-bus-eireann/0 -
Standing waiting 30 minutes for an NX tonight , pinged them a message on FB to see what was happening to be told the NX service was cancelled tonight. Joke Shop , No notice given that I can see . 😡😡😡😡0
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Nothing on the website whatosever, would your experience suggest that there has generally been more disruption than posted?0
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Nothing on the website whatosever, would your experience suggest that there has generally been more disruption than posted?
There is an item on the website, concerning two services of the 103.
It is not correct to say there is nothing on the website whatsoever. There has been an item posted every day listing "disruptions" each day.
The item, posted either last night at midnight, or earlier this morning, states:
"Updated: Midnight
We wish to advise customers of the following disprutions to todays services in the Eastern Region
Route 103
•07.10 Dublin/Ratoath – (Alternative Services at 06.58 & 07.28)
•08.15 Ratoath/Dublin – (Alternative Services at 07.55 & 08.35)
We regret any inconvenience these disruptions may cause our customers.
Wednesday, 27th September, 2017."
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horseburger wrote: »There is an item on the website, concerning two services of the 103.
It is not correct to say there is nothing on the website whatsoever. There has been an item posted every day listing "disruptions" each day.
The item posted earlier today states:
"Updated: Midnight
We wish to advise customers of the following disprutions to todays services in the Eastern Region
Route 103
•07.10 Dublin/Ratoath – (Alternative Services at 06.58 & 07.28)
•08.15 Ratoath/Dublin – (Alternative Services at 07.55 & 08.35)
We regret any inconvenience these disruptions may cause our customers.
Wednesday, 27th September, 2017."
http://buseireann.ie/news_timetable.php?id=2397&month=Sep
I was talking about the NX of which the previous poster was refering to, there is nothing about that on the website at all.0 -
Seriously not good. This is a PSO route so competitors can't compete on these routes and instead people are left with this excuse of a service.0
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I think so . The message I got read "NX Services cancelled tonight " so obviously more than one service .
Witnessed a 5:40 and 6:00 cancelled on Monday , but think only the 5;40 was formally notified ?
Can't confirm as they taking the "bad news stories " off the website asap
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mugsymugsy wrote: »Seriously not good. This is a PSO route so competitors can't compete on these routes and instead people are left with this excuse of a service.
I don't think it is accurate to say that other bus companies cannot compete on these routes.
There are two other companies running services to and from Dublin, covering towns that are served on the 109, NX, 109X and 109A.
Ashbourne Connect runs services daily to and from Dublin and Ashbourne and Ratoath.
Sillan Tours covers Navan to and from Dublin daily.
Sillan Tours also includes Dunshaughlin on a number of its services.
The difference is that Bus Éireann operate daily services, to and from Dublin, much later than the services operated by Ashbourne Connect and Sillan Tours.
Since the end of July 2016, Bus Éireann has been operating a 24 hour service to and from Kells, Navan, Dunshaughlin, Ratoath, Ashbourne and Dublin Airport, on the 109A service. There is a full 24 hour service between Kells, Navan, Dunshaughlin, Ratoath, Ashbourne and Dublin City Centre, through the 109, 109X, and NX services, the 103 service, and the 109A service which drops off at Bus Aras, hourly, during the night, and leaves from Bus Aras Store Street, hourly at 25 past the hour, from 12.25am till 6.25am.
Despite the unfortunate instances of cancellations, over the last 10 days, or so, it is somewhat more than an "excuse of a service".
Would Sillan Tours or Ashbourne Connect be inclined to operate later services?
Would the NTA be receptive to the idea of either company operating later services to and from Dublin, if either company applied to do so?
Is there any stipulation, prohibiting them from operating later services, to and from Dublin, if, as I understand it, that the rule is, that they cannot operate services that have the exact same routes, that are covered by other bus companies, in this case, Bus Éireann?
Neither Sillan Tours or Ashbourne Connect run services, that are the exact same, as the services operated by Bus Éireann.
http://sillan.ie/
https://www.yougo.ie/
http://buseireann.ie/timetables/1473263565-109A.pdf
http://buseireann.ie/timetables/1504435671-109X.pdf
http://buseireann.ie/timetables/1504435631-NX.pdf
http://buseireann.ie/timetables/1504435589-109.pdf
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horseburger wrote: »There is an item on the website, concerning two services of the 103.
It is not correct to say there is nothing on the website whatsoever. There has been an item posted every day listing "disruptions" each day.
The item, posted either last night at midnight, or earlier this morning, states:
"Updated: Midnight
We wish to advise customers of the following disprutions to todays services in the Eastern Region
Route 103
•07.10 Dublin/Ratoath – (Alternative Services at 06.58 & 07.28)
•08.15 Ratoath/Dublin – (Alternative Services at 07.55 & 08.35)
We regret any inconvenience these disruptions may cause our customers.
Wednesday, 27th September, 2017."
http://buseireann.ie/news_timetable.php?id=2397&month=Sep
Very obivious horseburger commuter109 is referring to the NX. Think before you cut and paste.0 -
Very obivious horseburger commuter109 is referring to the NX. Think before you cut and paste.
Thanks for your comment tom23, and thank you for telling me to think. I would never have thought of it otherwise.
I didn't dispute that Commuter109 was referencing the NX.
I was referring to the statement by devnull which suggested that there were no details "whatsoever" on the Bus Éireann website.
devnull stated: "Nothing on the website whatsoever".
It would have been a more accurate statement, if devnull had stated, that there are no details whatsoever on the website, about the cancellation of the NX service, on the particular day, concerning the particular NX service, for which Commuter109, had been waiting.
Commuter109 had stated that the daily updates on the Timetable News section of the website, about cancellations, are being deleted each day. Commuter109 suggested that the deleting of the items, was preventing bus users from being able to check and compare, through reading previous daily updates, what cancellations have occurred on each day.
Commuter109 stated:
"Can't confirm as they taking the "bad news stories " off the website asap".
The items are not being taken off the website. Here are the links to the daily list of Timetable News items that were posted on each day.
The items for each day, are included in the Timetable Archive section of the website. The items detail daily cancellations over the last six days, since last Saturday 23rd September.
Commuter109 had stated that these items were being deleted from the website.
Saturday 23rd September 2017
http://www.buseireann.ie/news_timetable.php?id=2390&month=Sep
Sunday 24th September 2017
http://www.buseireann.ie/news_timetable.php?id=2392&month=Sep
Monday 25th September 2017
http://www.buseireann.ie/news_timetable.php?id=2393&month=Sep
Tuesday 26th September 2017
http://www.buseireann.ie/news_timetable.php?id=2394&month=Sep
Wednesday 27th September 2017
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horseburger wrote: »I didn't dispute that Commuter109 was referencing the NX.
I was referring to the statement by devnull which suggested that there was no details whatsoever on the Bus Éireann website. devnull stated: "Nothing on the website whatsoever".
Commuter109 stated:
"Can't confirm as they taking the "bad news stories " off the website asap".
The items are not being taken off the website. Here are the links to the daily list of Timetable News items that were posted each day,
I replied after Commuter109 and I was speaking about the NX service that such poster was speaking about, I've already explained that once and clarrified that.
I think what Commuter109 was talking about was the fact that the news articles are being deleted off the front page so they became harder to find rather than deleted.0 -
I replied after Commuter109 and I was speaking about the NX service that such poster was speaking about, I've already explained that once and clarrified that.
I think what Commuter109 was talking about was the fact that the news articles are being deleted off the front page so they became harder to find rather than deleted.
They aren't hard to find, if you look for them, which I did, rather than incorrectly assuming, that they are being deleted.
I have included, in my last post, the links to each press release item, that were posted daily, on buseireann.ie. The items detail cancellations that occurred on each day, since Saturday 23rd September 2017.0 -
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All the previous cancellation notices are still in there in the timetable news archive.
No point in keeping out of date info on the front page.
But the fundamental point is that clearly not all cancellations are being listed on the website, and frankly that is not good enough.0 -
All the previous cancellation notices are still in there in the timetable news archive.
No point in keeping out of date info on the front page.
But the fundamental point is that clearly not all cancellations are being listed on the website, and frankly that is not good enough.
Having had a look at the " archive" , they certainly are not. They 2 buses I waited for that didn't show on Monday aren't on the list of cancelled services and last nights cancellation of "NX Services" ( how ever many that accounted for but I am assuming at least 5 i.e. 9:10 onward ) weren't published either.
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Commuter109 wrote: »Having had a look at the " archive" , they certainly are not. They 2 buses I waited for that didn't show on Monday aren't on the list of cancelled services and last nights cancellation of "NX Services" ( how ever many that accounted for but I am assuming at least 5 i.e. 9:10 onward ) weren't published either.
In fact the only bus I have successfully got on time this week was the 5.20 on Tuesday
LXFlyer said all previous cancellation notices, that were published on the website, are in the Timetable Archive, on the website, and were not deleted off the website.
LXFlyer said: "All the previous cancellation notices are still in there in the timetable news archive".
LXFlyer did not state that the details of every cancellation were included on the website. Nor did I. I said that, the items detailing cancellations for each day, from Saturday 23rd September 2017, that were published on the website daily, are still available on the website.
You were incorrect in stating that each item was being deleted from the website.
LXFlyer actually agreed with you, that not all cancellations were being included on the website, but judging by the tone of your post, you didn't notice that.
LXFlyer stated: "But the fundamental point is that clearly not all cancellations are being listed on the website, and frankly that is not good enough".0 -
Less sniping at each other and back to the topic at hand please.
Do not reply to this post.
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A list of "disruptions" posted today, updated 5.25pm.
http://buseireann.ie/news_timetable.php?id=2398&month=Sep
"Updated 17.25
We regret to advise customers in the Eastern Region of disruptions to the following services:
Route 103
18.58 Dublin/Ratoath
19.38 Dublin/Ratoath
21.58 Dublin/Ratoath
17.42 Ratoath/Dublin
20.02 Ratoath/Dublin
20.42 Ratoath/Dublin
22.02 Ratoath/Dublin
23.02 Ratoath/Dublin
Route 109
18.15 Dublin/Cavan
20.25 Dunshaughlin/Dublin
Route 109X
17.45 Dublin/Cavan
20.45 Cavan/Dublin
Route 111
23.15 Dublin/Athboy
Route NX
19.35 Dublin/Navan
20.40 Dublin/Navan
22.25 Dublin/Navan
18.00 Navan/Dublin
18.20 Navan/Dublin
21.00 Navan/Dublin
23.00 Navan/Dublin
23.35 Navan/Dublin
We apologise to our customers for any inconvenience these disruptions may cause
Thursday, 28th September, 2017."0 -
Very late to post that though as there was nothing there an hour ago at all about today. Large queues down near Beresford place for some services.0
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Updated againUpdated 19.00
We regret to advise customers in the Eastern Region of disruptions to the following services:
Route 103
18.58 Dublin/Ratoath
19.58 Dublin/Ratoath
21.58 Dublin/Ratoath
23.28 Dublin/Ratoath
20.02 Ratoath/Dublin
21.02 Ratoath/Dublin
22.02 Ratoath/Dublin
23.02 Ratoath/Dublin
Route 109
20.25 Dunshaughlin/Dublin
Route NX
19.35 Dublin/Navan
20.40 Dublin/Navan
22.25 Dublin/Navan
18.00 Navan/Dublin
18.20 Navan/Dublin
21.00 Navan/Dublin
23.00 Navan/Dublin
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Commuter109 wrote: »Having had a look at the " archive" , they certainly are not. They 2 buses I waited for that didn't show on Monday aren't on the list of cancelled services and last nights cancellation of "NX Services" ( how ever many that accounted for but I am assuming at least 5 i.e. 9:10 onward ) weren't published either.
In fact the only bus I have successfully got on time this week was the 5.20 on Tuesday
For clarity I said that the previous notices that were on the website are in the archive.
Those NX service cancellations weren't on the website at all in the first place which clearly isn't good enough.0 -
A friend of mine got caught up in that this evening. Got to the bus stop at Beresford place at 4 no show till 5 to 5 and to. And to make matters worse door on bus would not open and close properly. Very worrying times for BE this NX route was meant to bring confidence back to Navan commuters but it's pushing them further away.0
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For clarity I said that the previous notices that were on the website are in the archive.
Those NX service cancellations weren't on the website at all in the first place which clearly isn't good enough.
What you had written, was very clear, in the first place. I understood what you had written and mentioned it in a subsequent post.0
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