Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

Alanstrainor · 11-07-2018 3:36pm

NeedMoreGears wrote: »

Very irritating near miss last night.

I was coming onto the small roundabout at Baldoyle. The set up is typical of small roundabouts that have three entry /exit points. The main single land road becomes two lanes just before the roundabout (say 30m), the roundabout features two lanes for a 10 metres or so to facilitate cars going left and then becomes one lane a bit before the through exit.

I'm in the right hand lane approaching roundabout about 50cm from its left edge. Our hero passes me on the right as I am entering the roundabout. I have to hit the brakes or else he's going to clip my front wheel with his rear wheel. Annoying and dangerous.

The real pIsser was our hero was on a bike.

What a dope.

That roundabout can be tricky with cars trying to overtake in the middle of it when you're going straight through to Portmarnock. I've found I have to stick my right arm out indicating to prevent such passes.

ED E · 11-07-2018 8:35pm

https://twitter.com/rohal_/status/1017103743345709060

micar · 11-07-2018 10:20pm

ED E wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rohal_/status/1017103743345709060

Was the driver actually trying to do a u turn?

Jaysci20 · 11-07-2018 10:31pm

VW 1 wrote: »

Wasn't too sure of where to post this, but had a strange interaction with a garda car this morning. I cycle daily from finglas to town via the R135/Finglas Road, always in the bus lane as the cycle lane is shared with pedestrians, including school kids and frequent bus stops.

This morning a garda car was behind me, so i was making sure to indicate that i was pulling out around man hole covers etc.
After 30 seconds sitting behind me i hear the siren so i prepare to move in to the kerb to let them by. At this point they pull alongside and ask me to stop.

3 garda in the car, the one in the front passenger seat speaks to me.

Garda: why aren't you using the cycle lane?
Me: because its shared with pedestrians and children, its dangerous when i cycle at 40+ kph so i use the bus lane instead
G: you cant use the bus lane, its mandatory to use the cycle lane
Me: it isn't mandatory, its optional. It isn't a cycle lane, its a path with a line in it and school kids, and dogs are being walked across the full path there *points* its just not safe
G: you need to get off the road now and into the cycle lane, you're obstructing busses
Me: i havent held up any busses and it isn't mandatory to use the cycle path. The road sign there for the bus lane shows a bus and a cyclist. *points again*
G: get off the road and use the bus lane
Me: im going to continue as i was, if im breaking a law, ill take a ticket.

He rolled up his window, i cycled on in the middle of the lane and they stayed right behind me until i moved around a fire brigade taking up the whole road seeing to a car crash that had taken place, but no more sirens and no pulling in.

I find the whole thing bizarre that a garda is telling me something that is blatantly not true. I felt i was being cheeky in arguing, but doing so in a confident and respectful tone, it never got heated or anything. Still.it doesnt sit right with me for some reason.

What absolute plonkers. Three gardai sitting on their asses driving after a cyclist who is doing nothing wrong.

11-07-2018 10:39pm

ED E wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rohal_/status/1017103743345709060

Not excusing the driver here at all but even if that car had edged out at a snails pace it was going to be dangerous with that van in the cycle lane, but if he'd stuck his nose out a little the guy would have been able to see him and either wave him out or take evasive action.

Maddening thing is there looks to be a parking space across the street that van could be in.

Arcade_Tryer · 11-07-2018 11:19pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Not excusing the driver here at all but even if that car had edged out at a snails pace it was going to be dangerous with that van in the cycle lane, but if he'd stuck his nose out a little the guy would have been able to see him and either wave him out or take evasive action.

Maddening thing is there looks to be a parking space across the street that van could be in.

The car is completely at fault. The van being positioned where it is makes no difference to that. The driver was simply faced with a different decision than if the van was not there, and still made a terribly poor (and dangerous) one. The driver didn't even try to nose out; it was simply a blind pull out SMIDGAF.

magicbastarder · 11-07-2018 11:35pm

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

The car is completely at fault. The van being positioned where it is makes no difference to that.

it's not a zero sum game though; granted, the motorist in the car should not have done what he or she did, but the danger is saying that they're completely responsible could be taken as an argument that absolves the van driver. if the motorist is 100% responsible, that leaves 0% to attribute to the van driver.

Arcade_Tryer · 11-07-2018 11:52pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

it's not a zero sum game though; granted, the motorist in the car should not have done what he or she did, but the danger is saying that they're completely responsible could be taken as an argument that absolves the van driver. if the motorist is 100% responsible, that leaves 0% to attribute to the van driver.

It's not the same game. The driver was faced with a choice and made a poor one. The van driver was also an idiot for parking there. Two separate events.

12-07-2018 12:33am

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

It's not the same game. The driver was faced with a choice and made a poor one. The van driver was also an idiot for parking there. Two separate events.

No it is the same game if you are the cyclist though and I'd take my idiots as I find them, van first driver second but both equal.

Bad driving 100% all day every day, but driver likely would not have made the move but for the van.

Van 100% caused the situation in the 1st place.

plodder · 12-07-2018 9:56am

micar wrote: »

Was the driver actually trying to do a u turn?

Very likely. Look at the angle of the car and the position of the front wheels. Was just about to point it out when I saw your post. Quite a reckless thing to do with vision obscured by the van.

Hungrycol · 12-07-2018 10:41am

Steam still coming out my ears. Was going right at the roundabout (3rd exit) and took the correct road position on the roundabout (green line). Car coming from the direction of my first exit (red line) starts flying up my inside on the roundabout taking her 2nd exit (my 3rd). I have to go to the left hand side coming out of the roundabout to assume my correct road position coming off the roundabout (with arm out indicating at point 1) but had I not done my lifesaver she would have creamed me on the inside, point 2. :eek: She started waving her hands giving out then started getting aggressively close to my back wheel and eventually overtook, looked straight ahead and put the foot down. I shouted "ARE YOU TRYING TO KILL ME?".

Me Green line, her Red line.

RebelButtMunch · 12-07-2018 10:43am

Hungrycol wrote: »

Steam still coming out my ears. Was going right at the roundabout (3rd exit) and took the correct road position on the roundabout (green line). Car coming from the direction of my first exit (red line) starts flying up my inside on the roundabout about taking her 2nd exit (my 3rd). I have to go to the left hand side coming out of the roundabout to assume my correct road position coming off the roundabout (with arm out indicating at point 1) but had I not done my lifesaver she would have creamed me on the inside, point 2. :eek: She started waving her hands giving out then started getting aggressively close to my back wheel and eventually overtook, looked straight ahead and put the foot down. I shouted "ARE YOU TRYING TO KILL ME?".

Me Green line, her Red line.

Very annoying, there's arseh0les everywhere.
I was cycling in this morning at a fair clip and a fellow cyclist decided to overtake me and then freewheel right in front of me. I had to overtake them again which made me feel a bit of a dick!

ED E · 12-07-2018 6:31pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Maddening thing is there looks to be a parking space across the street that van could be in.

Van is parked opposite a traffic island and depending on time of day is in a clearway. 100m away is a clearway 24/7. DSPS drive passed :mad:

Sheep breeder · 13-07-2018 8:58am

Not trying to be smart here, two things I witnessed in the last couple of days in a busy country village. First a guy on a mountain bike with a small terrier dog on a lead running a long side him as he cycled on the road. Has to be looking for trouble. The second the next evening while sitting in the car outside a garage a car turning in left and had clearly indicated and slowed down to a crawl a guy on a big bike came along a hit the passangers door and fell off the bike and was very lucky only grazed his knee and arm, the bike was easily travelling at 30 to 40km and the guy was down in racing position and never seen the car or attempts to brake or slow down and proceeds to attack the young girl for being in the wrong and how valuable his bike was and she would pay for all damages. Two of us witnessed the whole thing and helped the rider up and cleaned his cuts and told him how lucky he was and all he wanted was her insurance details for his bike and did not want the guards called. The guards arrived and did not want to get involved as no body was hurt. The damage to the bike was small and the guy was lucky to get no break of bones. Sorry for the long post but these two guys were not helping cyclists and don’t get me wrong see so many bad drivers on country roads.

CircleofLife · 13-07-2018 9:06am

I have to ask, as a pedestrian, have you guys noticed an increased amount of idiots (mainly cyclists and pedestrians which is why I'm saying it here) in Dublin city lately? I have seen so many incidents since the sunny weather started. I've also had quite a few incidents where cyclists have decided to jump onto the pavement right in front of me, to the extent where I've had to stop or sidestep quite a bit to avoid being hit. That said, one of the worst that I've seen is when a mother, crossing against the lights at College Green, pushed her pram straight out in front of a cyclist and proceeded to tell him that if he hadn't stopped she would have killed him... In short the sunny weather has brought out the twats.

Edited: just removed a bit about lights that I had in. I don't want to talk about cyclist behaviour (or pedestrian) in general, I was just making an observation about the lack of general awareness I have seen since the sunny weather started from some in both groups.

Lambay island · 13-07-2018 9:26am

CircleofLife wrote: »

I have to ask, as a pedestrian, have you guys noticed an increased amount of idiots (mainly cyclists and pedestrians which is why I'm saying it here) in Dublin city lately? I have seen so many incidents since the sunny weather started. I've also had quite a few incidents where cyclists have decided to either break the lights when I was crossing at a green light or jump onto the pavement right in front of me, to the extent where I've had to stop or sidestep quite a bit to avoid being hit. That said, one of the worst that I've seen is when a mother, crossing against the lights at College Green, pushed her pram straight out in front of a cyclist and proceeded to tell him that if he hadn't stopped she would have killed him... In short the sunny weather has brought out the twats.

Cant say I have noticed this as such . There would be more people cycling on the road been summer anyway so an increase in numbers would bring about more chance of misdemeanors by the law of averages. I have noticed more pedestrians stepping out of roads around town without looking and having to take evasive action though which again prob comes with more people walking due to good weather. Both scenarios are an improvemnet anyway then people in cars, vans, buses hitting pedestrians

CramCycle · 13-07-2018 9:47am

Taxi turned across me last night in Batterstown, pulled alongside me and started to slow and the turn was only 5 metres away so i knew what was happening. Indicator came on as he turned and I had already hauled on the brakes and turned with him. I let a roar but he didn't even slow or stop.

I was travelling at 45kmph, he would have lost less than a second.

Part of me, feeling idiotic, wishes i had just hit the car and be done with it. Professional driver me hole.

Seth Brundle · 13-07-2018 10:17am

Sheep breeder wrote: »

The second the next evening while sitting in the car outside a garage a car turning in left and had clearly indicated and slowed down to a crawl a guy on a big bike came along a hit the passangers door and fell off the bike and was very lucky only grazed his knee and arm, the bike was easily travelling at 30 to 40km and the guy was down in racing position and never seen the car or attempts to brake or slow down and proceeds to attack the young girl for being in the wrong and how valuable his bike was and she would pay for all damages. Two of us witnessed the whole thing and helped the rider up and cleaned his cuts and told him how lucky he was and all he wanted was her insurance details for his bike and did not want the guards called. The guards arrived and did not want to get involved as no body was hurt. The damage to the bike was small and the guy was lucky to get no break of bones. Sorry for the long post but these two guys were not helping cyclists and don’t get me wrong see so many bad drivers on country roads.

In fairness the car would either have passed the bike seconds before it approached the filling station and would have known it was approaching and it then turned left into the path of the cyclist. Alternatively the car turned right into the filling station into the oncoming cyclist.
I'm not saying that the cyclist should not be aware of what's ahead but to me it sounds like the car caused the incident and is the one at fault.

Still, which bit is a negative for cyclists? The guy pissed off with the poor girl or that he had the tenacity to get knocked down? You certainly portray it as being the cyclists fault but I dont think it was.

Nonetheless you claim to know the speed of the cyclist (with a 33% variance in your opinion). How is that relevant when a car turns in front of you?

Maybe you haven't given us all the information. Was the cyclist on the road or hard shoulder? How slow was the driver going when they went into the garage (you were able to take a wild guess at the cyclists speed)?
How far from the car was the cyclist when the car started to turn?
Who had right of way?

Also, you cleaned his cuts??? WTF?

The Kop · 13-07-2018 10:29am

Sheep breeder wrote: »

Not trying to be smart here, two things I witnessed in the last couple of days in a busy country village. First a guy on a mountain bike with a small terrier dog on a lead running a long side him as he cycled on the road. Has to be looking for trouble.

Lol that's a new one.Never seen that before.

I've noticed lately some people cycling with those trailer for kids attached to the bike. I can't for the life of me understand how any responsible parent could even think of going out on a public road with kids in one of those contraptions.
This is not about who would be right or wrong if someone hit the trailer, this is about putting your kids in the firing line.
Seen one guy sail through a set of red lights in Lucan the other day with one of those trailers and kids inside.

PlaneSpeeking · 13-07-2018 10:33am

CircleofLife wrote: »

I have to ask, as a pedestrian, have you guys noticed an increased amount of idiots (mainly cyclists and pedestrians which is why I'm saying it here) in Dublin city lately? I have seen so many incidents since the sunny weather started. I've also had quite a few incidents where cyclists have decided to either break the lights when I was crossing at a green light or jump onto the pavement right in front of me, to the extent where I've had to stop or sidestep quite a bit to avoid being hit. That said, one of the worst that I've seen is when a mother, crossing against the lights at College Green, pushed her pram straight out in front of a cyclist and proceeded to tell him that if he hadn't stopped she would have killed him... In short the sunny weather has brought out the twats.

There is a cycle path in front of the LUAS stop at St Stephen's Green.

Apparently it's more fun to drive alongside it if you are going down York St - weave it and out of the lilac planters on the pavement and then go haring down the pavement in front of RCSI.

Oh and in the case of the idiot yesterday - tell the person they nearly knocked over to "f**king get out the way b**ch".

Lovely.

Fighting Tao · 13-07-2018 10:46am

It appears that the weather has also affected some of the recent posters on this thread.

AndrewJRenko · 13-07-2018 10:58am

The Kop wrote: »

I've noticed lately some people cycling with those trailer for kids attached to the bike. I can't for the life of me understand how any responsible parent could even think of going out on a public road with kids in one of those contraptions.
This is not about who would be right or wrong if someone hit the trailer, this is about putting your kids in the firing line.

How many kids die in cars each year compared to how many kids die in cargo bikes each year?

AndrewJRenko · 13-07-2018 10:58am

The Kop wrote: »

I've noticed lately some people cycling with those trailer for kids attached to the bike. I can't for the life of me understand how any responsible parent could even think of going out on a public road with kids in one of those contraptions.
This is not about who would be right or wrong if someone hit the trailer, this is about putting your kids in the firing line.

How many kids die in cars each year compared to how many kids die in cargo bikes each year?

mloc123 · 13-07-2018 11:00am

The Kop wrote: »

Lol that's a new one.Never seen that before.

I've noticed lately some people cycling with those trailer for kids attached to the bike. I can't for the life of me understand how any responsible parent could even think of going out on a public road with kids in one of those contraptions.
This is not about who would be right or wrong if someone hit the trailer, this is about putting your kids in the firing line.
Seen one guy sail through a set of red lights in Lucan the other day with one of those trailers and kids inside.

Cycle much yourself?

The Kop · 13-07-2018 11:07am

mloc123 wrote: »

Cycle much yourself?

Yeah quite a bit actually. Log about 100miles a week to work and back.

RebelButtMunch · 13-07-2018 11:34am

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

How many kids die in cars each year compared to how many kids die in cargo bikes each year?

Talk about a straw-man.
What's the point you're making with that question or are you looking for someone else to go off and do the research for you

Hungrycol · 13-07-2018 11:44am

CircleofLife wrote: »

I have to ask, as a pedestrian, have you guys noticed an increased amount of idiots (mainly cyclists and pedestrians which is why I'm saying it here) in Dublin city lately?

Welcome to the cycling forum where we loved to be called idiots. Carry on.

benjamin d · 13-07-2018 11:52am

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

Talk about a straw-man.
What's the point you're making with that question or are you looking for someone else to go off and do the research for you

Car accidents are responsible for 37% of childhood deaths annually. goo.gl/1ZKnye
Cargo bikes are responsible for 0. Statistically, putting your child in a car is the single most irresponsible thing you can do to them.

So it's not a strawman to claim in response to someone who only came on here to say "that's dangerous because I think it looks dangerous", when the evidence shows the opposite is true. Would that person claim a driver is a bad and irresponsible parent? Unlikely, but on the weight of evidence that's where they should be directing their moralistic posts.

RebelButtMunch · 13-07-2018 11:56am

benjamin d wrote: »

Car accidents are responsible for 37% of childhood deaths annually. goo.gl/1ZKnye
Cargo bikes are responsible for 0. Statistically, putting your child in a car is the single most irresponsible thing you can do to them.

So it's not a strawman to claim in response to someone who only came on here to say "that's dangerous because I think it looks dangerous", when the evidence shows the opposite is true. Would that person claim a driver is a bad and irresponsible parent? Unlikely, but on the weight of evidence that's where they should be directing their moralistic posts.

It's crap statistics. How many people die flying a kite across the road? 0? Must be safe so.

benjamin d · 13-07-2018 12:06pm

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

It's crap statistics. How many people die flying a kite across the road? 0? Must be safe so.

Ok then let's ignore the cargo bike (since it's so safe there are literally no death stats)

How about that 37% of childhood deaths figure? Is that a crap statistic? If cycling stats were within an ass's roar of that figure bikes would have been banned years ago. Will I expect to see you outside Leinster house calling for an end to motor vehicles? Because if you're concerned about child safety that's exactly what you should be doing.

In fact all the stats point towards banning cars - law breaking, pollution, cost to taxpayers, public safety... all vehicle and driver issues that are hugely detrimental to society.

So will I meet you at the Dail?

Martin567 · 13-07-2018 12:08pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

In fairness the car would either have passed the bike seconds before it approached the filling station and would have known it was approaching and it then turned left into the path of the cyclist. Alternatively the car turned right into the filling station into the oncoming cyclist.
I'm not saying that the cyclist should not be aware of what's ahead but to me it sounds like the car caused the incident and is the one at fault.

According to the initial post, the car was turning left. If it had been turning right, the driver would certainly have been wrong.

The initial poster would need to clarify but it certainly doesn't automatically follow that the car had passed the bike seconds before turning left. As I read it, the cyclist should give way to a car turning left in front of him (again assuming that car hadn't just overtaken him and cut straight across him).

Martin567 · 13-07-2018 12:33pm

benjamin d wrote: »

Ok then let's ignore the cargo bike (since it's so safe there are literally no death stats)

How about that 37% of childhood deaths figure? Is that a crap statistic? If cycling stats were within an ass's roar of that figure bikes would have been banned years ago. Will I expect to see you outside Leinster house calling for an end to motor vehicles? Because if you're concerned about child safety that's exactly what you should be doing.

In fact all the stats point towards banning cars - law breaking, pollution, cost to taxpayers, public safety... all vehicle and driver issues that are hugely detrimental to society.

So will I meet you at the Dail?

I think you need to clarify what this statistic actually means. Are you really saying that 37% of all children (U18?) who die in a given year are killed in a car accident? That seems unlikely.

CramCycle · 13-07-2018 12:35pm

The Kop wrote: »

I've noticed lately some people cycling with those trailer for kids attached to the bike. I can't for the life of me understand how any responsible parent could even think of going out on a public road with kids in one of those contraptions.
This is not about who would be right or wrong if someone hit the trailer, this is about putting your kids in the firing line.
Seen one guy sail through a set of red lights in Lucan the other day with one of those trailers and kids inside.

They are really safe and have excellent protection. I'd have no issue using one and know several who do.

The Kop · 13-07-2018 12:45pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

How many kids die in cars each year compared to how many kids die in cargo bikes each year?

What's that got to do with anything I said?
You have a habit of turning everything back to cars. You need to change the record mate.
I personally wouldn't put my kids in one of those contraptions. I think parents who do are irresponsible. It really has nothing to do with cars or the amount of kids who are killed in either.

buffalo · 13-07-2018 12:46pm

The Kop wrote: »

I personally wouldn't put my kids in one of those contraptions. I think parents who do are irresponsible. It really has nothing to do with cars or the amount of kids who are killed in either.

Had to be done.

The Kop · 13-07-2018 12:46pm

CramCycle wrote: »

They are really safe and have excellent protection. I'd have no issue using one and know several who do.

Good for you. I wouldn't.

Lemming · 13-07-2018 1:02pm

The Kop wrote: »

Good for you. I wouldn't.

I'm confused; could you possibly elaborate on the difference of outcome between having kids in one of those cargo attachment thingies vs. the family cycling train with kids following their parents on bikes? Both are on the road with their parents, behind their parents.

mr spuckler · 13-07-2018 1:09pm

The Kop wrote: »

What's that got to do with anything I said?
You have a habit of turning everything back to cars. You need to change the record mate.
I personally wouldn't put my kids in one of those contraptions. I think parents who do are irresponsible. It really has nothing to do with cars or the amount of kids who are killed in either.

doesn't it? you're calling trailers dangerous and parents who use them irresponsible but then ignoring people's comments about observable safety relative to other transport options. why start a debate and then refuse to engage with it?

I'm one of those parents that you think is irresponsible btw. I could go on all day about the benefits of using the trailer but I doubt you care - however I personally feel safer on the road with the trailer behind me than I do when cycling solo. my personal experience (as well as that of plenty of "irresponsible" parents posting on other threads on this forum) is that motorists give more space when overtaking the bike + trailer. that's a fairly shocking reflection on motorists who either consciously or subconsciously demonstrate their increased willingness to endanger me when I'm cycling on my own.

the below quote from here is really horrifying. this was only published this year so I can't see equivalent stats for years since 2013. don't for a second think that having children in your car is some sort of magically safe way to transport them.

Forty-three children were killed on the State’s roads in 2013, compared with 163 in 1996, the study published in the Irish Medical Journal says.

magicbastarder · 13-07-2018 1:21pm

Martin567 wrote: »

I think you need to clarify what this statistic actually means. Are you really saying that 37% of all children (U18?) who die in a given year are killed in a car accident? That seems unlikely.

http://www.rsa.ie/en/Utility/News/2015/TRAFFIC-COLLISIONS-LEADING-CAUSE-OF-CHILD-MORTALITY-IN-IRELAND/

amcalester · 13-07-2018 1:22pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

http://www.rsa.ie/en/Utility/News/2015/TRAFFIC-COLLISIONS-LEADING-CAUSE-OF-CHILD-MORTALITY-IN-IRELAND/

The solution is obvious, we need to either ban roads or children.

Or both.

Chiparus · 13-07-2018 1:33pm

The Kop wrote: »

What's that got to do with anything I said?
You have a habit of turning everything back to cars. You need to change the record mate.
I personally wouldn't put my kids in one of those contraptions. I think parents who do are irresponsible. It really has nothing to do with cars or the amount of kids who are killed in either.

I dont think they are any more dangerous than allowing your child to walk along a footpath.

mloc123 · 13-07-2018 1:41pm

Chiparus wrote: »

I dont think they are any more dangerous than allowing your child to walk along a footpath.

I am going to start tutting at parents I see pushing buggies just inches away from busy roads... very irresponsible. What would happen if a car or truck was to mount the kerb, why do parents choose to put their kids at such risk? I will never understand.

RebelButtMunch · 13-07-2018 1:41pm

benjamin d wrote: »

Ok then let's ignore the cargo bike (since it's so safe there are literally no death stats)

How about that 37% of childhood deaths figure? Is that a crap statistic? If cycling stats were within an ass's roar of that figure bikes would have been banned years ago. Will I expect to see you outside Leinster house calling for an end to motor vehicles? Because if you're concerned about child safety that's exactly what you should be doing.

In fact all the stats point towards banning cars - law breaking, pollution, cost to taxpayers, public safety... all vehicle and driver issues that are hugely detrimental to society.

So will I meet you at the Dail?

Janey mack. Play the ball man and stick with the program.

How about we consider that every cyclist killed or injured so far this year had a trailer on the back of their bike with 2 kids in it. Totally horrific even to contemplate one child dying never mind what that number would.

We are arguing hypothetically anyway. One thing I can say for sure is that every day I see drivers acting the arse and I would NEVER EVER consider towing kids behind me with those drivers on the road. I personally consider anyone that does so, to be taking a gigantic risk with their childrens lives and I thing they are wrong to do so.

mloc123 · 13-07-2018 1:43pm

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

Janey mack. Play the ball man and stick with the program.

How about we consider that every cyclist killed or injured so far this year had a trailer on the back of their bike with 2 kids in it. Totally horrific even to contemplate one child dying never mind what that number would.

We are arguing hypothetically anyway. One thing I can say for sure is that every day I see drivers acting the arse and I would NEVER EVER consider towing kids behind me with those drivers on the road. I personally consider anyone that does so, to be taking a gigantic risk with their childrens lives and I thing they are wrong to do so.

Imagine if every car crash that resulted in a death this year on the roads also had two kids in the back that were killed... if we are imagining stuff, lets make it equal right?

RebelButtMunch · 13-07-2018 1:45pm

mloc123 wrote: »

Imagine if every car crash that resulted in a death this year on the roads also had two kids in the back that were killed... if we are imagining stuff, lets make it equal right?

You're the one that started with the rubbish stats and comparing apples and oranges. But in this case I'll concede that we can't compare at all.

mloc123 · 13-07-2018 1:49pm

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

You're the one that started with the rubbish stats and comparing apples and oranges. But in this case I'll concede that we can't compare at all.

Did I?

RebelButtMunch · 13-07-2018 1:54pm

mloc123 wrote: »

Did I?

If you think I'm going to get into some kind of weird internet argument quote/bold argument with you you're off your rocker. #ignore

mloc123 · 13-07-2018 1:55pm

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

If you think I'm going to get into some kind of weird internet argument quote/bold argument with you you're off your rocker. #ignore

I am asking a genuine question, I haven't mentioned stats at all. I am assuming you are mixing me up with somebody else that posted.

CramCycle · 13-07-2018 2:06pm

The Kop wrote: »

What's that got to do with anything I said?
You have a habit of turning everything back to cars. You need to change the record mate.
I personally wouldn't put my kids in one of those contraptions. I think parents who do are irresponsible. It really has nothing to do with cars or the amount of kids who are killed in either.

Your choice, I don't really care. You can think all you want but in this case you are wrong. I am far from irresponsible. Teaching my kids that there are other ways to get around is very responsible.

Martin567 · 13-07-2018 2:07pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

http://www.rsa.ie/en/Utility/News/2015/TRAFFIC-COLLISIONS-LEADING-CAUSE-OF-CHILD-MORTALITY-IN-IRELAND/

Thanks for those.

The numbers still seem very odd though. Even taking U15 as the definition of a child, I'm very surprised that only 38 (14÷.367) children under the age of 15 died in all of Ireland over the course of a full year.

Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

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