Easons at Heuston Station closed

Dravokivich · 01-07-2019 6:31pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Anyone know when brambles are due to open in Heuston ?

I’m just angry/let down that easons couldn’t have remained open but with a cafe to one side or down the back. Even a joint venture with brambles or fallon and Byrne.

That would require ppl thinking outside the box though so no chance ...

Easons are still in Houston. And theres a lot of coffee shops already. Theres no point in them looking to partner with the same thing, to keep an additional unit viable.

L1011 · 01-07-2019 6:32pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Why bonkers????

Easons have 2 -yes 2!!- separate food offerings in their O’Connell st branch. Coffee shop on ground and full blown cafe on 3rd.

And also a record shop leasing the 3rd floor.

Not far fetched to say do similar in Heuston. A cafe or pharmacy would clean up.

Wow. Such “far out” thinking. Bonkers indeed ?!

You're just giving examples showing that they would have already looked at all the options.

You pining for a station bookshop does not fix the fact that they are closing everywhere. Even the airport bookshop has been downsized to a newsagents with minimal racks of pulp fiction now - people are not buying enough books when traveling to keep them alive

Beechwoodspark · 01-07-2019 6:33pm

L1011 wrote: »

You're just giving examples showing that they would have already looked at all the options.

No they didn’t. I personally suggested the pharmacy leasing part of the shop as it’s clearly something commuters want.

Or a cafe down the back. They never explored this. They just shut up shop sadly

L1011 · 01-07-2019 6:38pm

You are assuming, when evidence shows that Eason do sublet space elsewhere

How much floor space and what content do you think would be left after you've put in a cafe and it's kitchen or a pharmacy and all its legally required items (consultation rooms, controlled meds safe)?

You'd have as much books as the second Eason sells.

tabbey · 01-07-2019 6:57pm

L1011 wrote: »

evidence shows that Eason do sublet space elsewhere

The difference is that Irish Rail / CIE lets space in railway stations to shop and restaurant operators to provide a complementary service for passengers, while Easons in their larger shops at O'Connell St and Dun Laoghaire let space to restaurant and cafe operators to provide catering for their customers.

In DunLaoghaire, Costa coffeee probably has a higher turnover than the book and magazine departments. People go into Easons to browse magazines then buy coffee and cake. Easons hope that people will then browse the books and possibly purchase something. Easons also get rental revenue to help pay for the premises. The same applies to O'Connell St.

Irish Rail traditionally provided a restaurant service, but a private operator can do so more cost-effectively by employing at the minimum wage, people who are anxious to work hard, whether immigrants or students.

Therefore Easons would not have a coffee shop in a railway bookshop, as it is not their core business.

There is probably scope for someone to run a combined takeaway coffee and bookstall at smaller stations, but not Heuston or Connolly.

n!ghtmancometh · 01-07-2019 8:40pm

Heuston is fierce grim, all the addicts huddled at the front entrance or at the bench at the luas stop selling pills to each other and drinking cans inbetween roaring abuse and begging at the luas TVM. How IR & Luas can't pay for a Garda to be based there instead of the useless contract security staff is beyond me, awful image to visitors arriving, and leaving the city with the Airlink.

I'm in the station daily, and the food offerings are poor. The smell emanating from Supermacs does be absolutely foul. Them, Donuts, greasy pizza at a fiver a slice, smoothies and the coffee places and M&S ready meals. That city kitchen place is the only half decent option.

The tiny Eason's is still surviving and looks to be busy most of the time at least.

XPS_Zero · 01-07-2019 8:59pm

L1011 wrote: »

If Easons wasn't working out shoving a food counter or a pharmacy counter or whatever other bonkers idea you have in to it wasn't going to save it

Easons have cafes and franchises in other stores - they will have evaluated everything. Bookshops are dying and station bookshops are dead.

You realize your first sentence called an idea bonkers then the second sentence said it's done all the time?

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Starbucks will have to get their own security.

another starbucks jesus. In another 20 years every rail station and town centre on the planet will just look like a copy and paste of every other rail station and town centre.`

As for renting part of the shop it's done all the time, check out the new Post Office in Supervalu Blackrock

A pharmacy might be more difficult though because they make money in much weirder ways, the bulk through the GMS (but even that's slow and meandering not computerized amazingly, t his day in age) for medical cards, but also through OTC (over the counter).

Print media is not gonna go away, lots of people still like a physical book, including kids. There are workbooks (for adults and kids), coloring books etc that people like too. But it's downsized because it's so much easier now to go to the kindle app on your ipad or android or acer tablet and click PURCHASE than to walk out and get it from a book shop that may not have what you want. In fact if anything it bugs me that lots of older books are still not in ebook format. People have discovered other advantages in ebooks. One I like is I can lay on my side at night when reading in bed and hold it with one hand, without the lamp on, so I can properly relax, and it has lighting settings with dark background and white text to avoid eye strain and be comfortable.

There are huge and obvious advantages open here for schools with ebooks and tablets but the DOE has not caught on yet because it's still in hock to the likes of Folens, and as a dept, it's second only to finance in it's resistance to change (only reason we got free secondary education was the Minister at the time went behind the backs of both DOE and Finance and sprung it on them last minute before they could obstruct the idea).

This has led to a dive in physical book purchases but they won't vanish because they have their own advantages (including never running out of battery power!) but it does mean probably only bigger stores will survive.

Websites are killing magazines. Even Mens Health etc people realize it's 1/2 ads and people can get the same news tips and info on a website with adblock plus engaged much faster and for free.

Keep in mind DVDs used to be a huge part of their sale, but the market has changed there too, torrents, Netflix, iTunes, only 7-8 years ago the likes of these options were caught behind physical and traditional TV media but outdated licensing and intellectual property regimes but they have now smartened up. You'll see many tv networks not even deleting youtube clips now because they see it brings people to watch the main show.

Music another thing...itunes and the streaming services.

So you have ebooks, movies/tv, and music all going away from physical media being dominant. The market has to adjust.

Food places are more likely to get high foot traffic.

As to a pharmacy I defo think one would be used A LOT at Heuston but I'm not sure if it would be profitable. There used to be regulations, until the early 2000s, that if you wanted to build a new pharmacy you had to make a case, there could not be another one within x distance etc, those laws were seen a monopolistic and a strangle on competition so they were done away with.

I do know a few things about the operating costs re a pharmacy:
-When I worked in one, a very successful one, individual staff had sales targets and engaged in link selling, it was so depressing, and some of them did it in very unethical ways. I found a way to do it which didn't conflict with my conscience, I never advised anyone to buy the Homeopathic sh1te (advised the opposite, quietly, out of my bosses earshot) and I never suggested anyone buy something with their existing something unless it would actually help the problem they had.
-The utility bills (water included) were insane, so were rates/rent etc I was shocked
-Even with restricted products they were pushing the line. They'd be complaining, quietly to each other (my manager would) about how customer x was going to rip the stomach out of himself because he was taking Nurofen Plus too often and would end up with bleeding ulcers...then tell staff if someone asked for N+ but didn't specify a pack size, to just give them the bigger pack!!!

I had to wonder if this place, that hired me partially because I was studying for a degree where you help society, and liked my altruism, were engaging in all this grossly unethical behavior because their margins were thin

L1011 · 01-07-2019 9:56pm

XPS_Zero wrote: »

You realize your first sentence called an idea bonkers then the second sentence said it's done all the time?

It's done where it works. It wouldn't work here. And the pharmacy counter in a bookshop idea is insane anywhere

GMS payments have been computerised for decades, maybe over two - there are still pharmacies that do it on paper for their own arcane reasons

Beechwoodspark · 02-07-2019 8:38am

I just wish that easons was still open. It was a great little gem and great staff there too by the way

Emme · 02-07-2019 9:41am

n!ghtmancometh wrote: »

Heuston is fierce grim, all the addicts huddled at the front entrance or at the bench at the luas stop selling pills to each other and drinking cans inbetween roaring abuse and begging at the luas TVM. How IR & Luas can't pay for a Garda to be based there instead of the useless contract security staff is beyond me, awful image to visitors arriving, and leaving the city with the Airlink.

I'm in the station daily, and the food offerings are poor. The smell emanating from Supermacs does be absolutely foul. Them, Donuts, greasy pizza at a fiver a slice, smoothies and the coffee places and M&S ready meals. That city kitchen place is the only half decent option.

The tiny Eason's is still surviving and looks to be busy most of the time at least.

The food offerings at Heuston couldn't be worse. The stuff M&S sells there is very poor and doesn't do the store any justice. Commuting is unhealthy enough as it is without being sold the unhealthiest and most disgusting foods at the train station. The coffee shops and the juice bar are the fine but the rest are artery clogging fodder outlets.

A Chopped or other healthy food outlet is badly needed at Heuston.

As for Fallon and Byrne being expensive as mentioned above I have always found Brambles to be ridiculously overpriced for what you get.

XPS_Zero · 02-07-2019 12:26pm

L1011 wrote: »

It's done where it works. It wouldn't work here. And the pharmacy counter in a bookshop idea is insane anywhere

GMS payments have been computerised for decades, maybe over two - there are still pharmacies that do it on paper for their own arcane reasons

I don't think they have been, because customers have to sign each GMS script now due to some pharmacies claiming for meds they never dispensed. I've never seen anyone signing on a tablet with a stylist.

L1011 · 02-07-2019 1:38pm

The paper copies have to be retained, the payment has been requested electronically for donkeys years for those pharmacies that do it. Supplied the software for it!

Were still holdouts in 2013 when I stopped doing that job. They got paid weeks to months in arrears

XPS_Zero · 03-07-2019 12:06am

Emme wrote: »

The food offerings at Heuston couldn't be worse. The stuff M&S sells there is very poor and doesn't do the store any justice. Commuting is unhealthy enough as it is without being sold the unhealthiest and most disgusting foods at the train station. The coffee shops and the juice bar are the fine but the rest are artery clogging fodder outlets.

A Chopped or other healthy food outlet is badly needed at Heuston.

As for Fallon and Byrne being expensive as mentioned above I have always found Brambles to be ridiculously overpriced for what you get.

Since I was 15 I go to the gym daily, and I always eat fresh food or at worst frozen (regards to like veg). Over the years I have learned more and more about food and nutrition, and it's really disturbing how much utter crap is in those ready meals, they've far less nutrition and are loaded with salts and sugars. Yet people have this "i don't have TIME!!!!" attitude today. Same reason I started saying no (though I'll usually not phrase it that way) when people ask for me detailed suggestions or to write out a fitness plan for them to follow if they join the gym (usually around new years) because they won't go, they never do, ever. People have this notion in their heads that you need hours of free time every day to eat healthy and go to the gym.
I have the body of a mens health cover model I go to the gym for an hour a day in the morning..that's it...an hour and I'll be wrapped up and done before the hours up. If you make it part of your routine it's no big deal, once you get past that first 30 days and it's ingrained in you you're fine.

Who cares? I used to think, not everyone needs to have a 6 pack, in a way I actually like that it's rarer cos makes me more special :P but I'm noticing it's

bigger and more serious than aesthetics now, it's becoming a more serious matter than looks and getting laid more. I'm seeing people eat their breakfast in the car on the way into work (by ''breakfast'' I mean a meal bar or something over processed out of a carton).

The crap this "i've no time rush rush rush!" outlook is causing people to buy is contributing towards higher cancer rates not to mention a myriad of other illnesses, I'm seeing obese kids now ffsake. I remember when the sugar tax came in people said "that's not gonna deter people from buying the products"...it wasn't meant to. Setting it up and hiking it slowly is designed to pay for the new pressure on the health service caused by all the extra crap people are eating! Its leading to longer waiting lists, poorer health outcomes etc.

I've also noticed a huge contrast starting to occur, the 1-2% who are very healthy and ripped are becoming slightly more common, actively overweight are becoming WAYYYYYYYYYYY more common, and the average body type in the middle is a rapidly shrinking group. PC culture is even starting to play into it, with plus size models, I don't get why the model types have to be morbidly obese + abercrombie & fitch ...why not show the latter, someone with a bit more body fat than the average person would like, then a variety of shapes in between, the obese one should not even be up there, it normalizes it. Set ups and what's available in commuting locations etc all plays a key part in this.

fergus1001 · 03-07-2019 12:16am

For Forks Sake wrote:

(also coverage blackspots along the lines if using 4g)

came down to kildare today phone signal was dire in spots

tabbey · 03-07-2019 9:08pm

fergus1001 wrote: »

came down to kildare today phone signal was dire in spots

Please do not blame Easons for that.

drive on right · 20-07-2019 10:08pm

THANK YOU to everyone for suggestions re: LEAP Visitors Card.

We are arriving by Coach on X8 - from Cashel (so can't buy it at airport).

MY QUESTION IS:
Do you know IF it is the "Easons NEWS Concession" in Heuston Station that sells the LEAP Visitors Card?

OR
Was it the "Easons BOOK Store" (THAT HAS CLOSED) who sold the LEAP Visitors Card??

On a Sunday: Our only other choice is to take a Taxi to "Visit Dublin Center" at 25 Suffolk Street.

We are trying to get to 14 Henrietta Street for their last Tour at 16:00.
(Didn't want to spend the afternoon chasing down the LEAP Visitor's Card with luggage.)

We live in USA - and LEAP web site says it will mail it:
Says it will take TWO WEEKS.

But all mail goes by plane.
It might have taken Two Weeks "BY BOAT" around 1960's???

Thank You

Jamie2k9 · 20-07-2019 10:26pm

The Easons newsagents which is open in Heuston has them as does the one at Busaras.

The two week online post is probably been conservative to prevent those buying last minute before flying to Ireland and not getting them on time.

drive on right · 20-07-2019 10:45pm

To: Jamie2k9

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!

This REALLY helps!!!

Now we drop our bags; and use the LUCAS and make it to 14 Henrietta Street for a Tour.
(they are Closed Mon & Tues)

I really appreciate the info

Ellen

drive on right · 21-07-2019 7:35pm

I thought I was ALL SET - Thanks to info from Jamie2k9.

BUT.......after Dubin Bus answered my email (see below): I am still CONFUSED!!!

Jamie2k9 posted that:
Easons News Agent is STILL Open and that they are CURRENTLY Selling LEAP Visitor Cards.
Also: that I could buy a LEAP Visitor Card at Easons at Busarus.

HOWEVER:

Dublin Bus wrote in their email:
"The only places you are able to purchase a Leap visitor card are Dublin Airport or the Dublin bus head office in o'connell street."

"On behalf of Dublin Bus thank you for your email and apologises for any inconvenience caused."

On the LEAP web page:
The LEAP Visitor Card Info STILL shows as follows:

"Purchase your card when you arrive in Dublin from a number of different agents in the city:

Dublin Airport

Bus & Travel Information Desk (T1 Arrivals)
Spar (T2 Arrivals)
WHSmith (T1 Arrivals)
Dublin City Centre

Dublin Bus, 59 Upper O’Connell St.
Discover Ireland Centre, 14 Upper O’Connell St.
Visit Dublin Centre, 25 Suffolk St.
Easons Busaras, Beresford Place
Easons Heuston Station, Dublin 8 "

I could call Easons New Agent at Heuston Station before we arrive.
I can also call Visit Dublin Centre.

On a Sunday: we will not make it to Dublin Bus by closing time at 14:00.
Discover Ireland Centre is Closed on Sunday.

I guess I could FORGET about the "Visitor" LEAP card and buy a REGULAR LEAP Card.
(and accept loosing the 5 euro deposit).

THANKS for reading this and for any help you have

Jamie2k9 · 21-07-2019 7:51pm

drive on right wrote: »

I thought I was ALL SET - Thanks to info from Jamie2k9.

BUT.......after Dubin Bus answered my email (see below): I am still CONFUSED!!!

Jamie2k9 posted that:
Easons News Agent is STILL Open and that they are CURRENTLY Selling LEAP Visitor Cards.
Also: that I could buy a LEAP Visitor Card at Easons at Busarus.

HOWEVER:

Dublin Bus wrote in their email:
"The only places you are able to purchase a Leap visitor card are Dublin Airport or the Dublin bus head office in o'connell street."

"On behalf of Dublin Bus thank you for your email and apologises for any inconvenience caused."

On the LEAP web page:
The LEAP Visitor Card Info STILL shows as follows:

"Purchase your card when you arrive in Dublin from a number of different agents in the city:

Dublin Airport

Bus & Travel Information Desk (T1 Arrivals)
Spar (T2 Arrivals)
WHSmith (T1 Arrivals)
Dublin City Centre

Dublin Bus, 59 Upper O’Connell St.
Discover Ireland Centre, 14 Upper O’Connell St.
Visit Dublin Centre, 25 Suffolk St.
Easons Busaras, Beresford Place
Easons Heuston Station, Dublin 8 "

I could call Easons New Agent at Heuston Station before we arrive.
I can also call Visit Dublin Centre.

On a Sunday: we will not make it to Dublin Bus by closing time at 14:00.
Discover Ireland Centre is Closed on Sunday.

I guess I could FORGET about the "Visitor" LEAP card and buy a REGULAR LEAP Card.
(and accept loosing the 5 euro deposit).

THANKS for reading this and for any help you have

Eason sell them, Leap website is correct.

Its probably lack of knowledge from the DB Customer Relations Team.

Contact Leap Card directly if you want to double check.

https://about.leapcard.ie/contact

drive on right · 21-07-2019 8:11pm

To: Jamie 2k9

Thank you AGAIN for helping me!!

I was also thinking something was wrong with Dublin Bus's email.
AS if they ONLY thought of THEIR Locations:
59 O'Connell Street and The "BUS & Travel Desk" at Airport.

IF you EVER need help figuring out New York City's Subway & Bus:
I am happy to help you. I lived there for many years.

Because we don't want to drive on the "Opposite Side" of the road:
Our trip to Ireland is all by train, bus & taxi.

THANK YOU

ongarboy · 22-07-2019 10:34am

Anteayer wrote: »

They were gold mines and then along came smartphones, tablets and ultra portable notebooks.

I can't even remember when the last time I've seen someone boarding a train with a pile of newspapers and magazines. Whereas even a decade ago you'd often stock up for an almost 3 hour journey.

Lol, I just bought the Sunday Business Post and Sunday Times yesterday to preoccupy me for the 4 hour Tralee to Dublin journey. Both sites are subscriber only online which is why I made the physical purchases. I'd say younger folk were looking at me oddly with all my papers/supplements...:pac:

Granted, I used to buy a Sunday newspaper every week but now maybe 3 times a year (train journeys like this etc). I have to say I still get a more satisfying read out of a physical broadsheet. You end up reading articles and informing yourself on items you wouldn't necessarily click into when scrolling online as that is more click bait designed!

Newsagents must be decimated by the fall off in newspaper/magazine purchases.

ongarboy · 22-07-2019 10:36am

Emme wrote: »

Rip out Supermacs in Heuston and replace it with Fallon & Byrne - the cleaning costs of trains would drop dramatically.

So would the smell on the trains of curry chips and those burgers....

TheShow · 22-07-2019 10:41am

ongarboy wrote: »

Is M&S opening in Connolly too?

I probably use Heuston only about 3 times a year now if I choose not to drive home to culchie land

Why don't you stay in Jackeen Land then. Typical dub:rolleyes:

ongarboy · 22-07-2019 10:49am

TheShow wrote: »

Why don't you stay in Jackeen Land then. Typical dub:rolleyes:

Are you seriously offended by me using the term culchieland? I am a culchie and proud of it and use it as a term of affection, never in a derogatory way to you ( if you are from outside the pale) or anyone else. I do however live in Dublin in recent years now. Your hostility is a little strong....

Emme · 22-07-2019 10:57am

ongarboy wrote: »

Lol, I just bought the Sunday Business Post and Sunday Times yesterday to preoccupy me for the 4 hour Tralee to Dublin journey. Both sites are subscriber only online which is why I made the physical purchases. I'd say younger folk were looking at me oddly with all my papers/supplements...:pac:

Granted, I used to buy a Sunday newspaper every week but now maybe 3 times a year (train journeys like this etc). I have to say I still get a more satisfying read out of a physical broadsheet. You end up reading articles and informing yourself on items you wouldn't necessarily click into when scrolling online as that is more click bait designed!

Newsagents must be decimated by the fall off in newspaper/magazine purchases.

Trains are so packed out now there isn't room on trains to read a newspaper or decent sized book. It's small screens all the way. I honestly think overcrowded trains are one of the reasons the Easons bookshop at Heuston had to close.

TheShow · 22-07-2019 10:57am

ongarboy wrote: »

Are you seriously offended by me using the term culchieland? I am a culchie and proud of it and use it as a term of affection, never in a derogatory way to you ( if you are from outside the pale) or anyone else. I do however live in Dublin now. Your hostility is a little strong....

You could just refer to the place you were travelling to by its proper name instead. The word culchie is not a term of endearment, nor is referring to anywhere outside of Dublin/the pale as culchieland.

XPS_Zero · 23-07-2019 8:40pm

TheShow wrote: »

You could just refer to the place you were travelling to by its proper name instead. The word culchie is not a term of endearment, nor is referring to anywhere outside of Dublin/the pale as culchieland.

It's hardly a term of bullying or abuse. It just means someone from outside Dublin...and there is a difference between us, don't tell me there is no cos in political circles I interact with people from all around the country and I constantly hear examples of the chip people outside Dublin (esp from the west) have on their shoulder for how "Dem up in Dublin get everything!" They practically see us as a different species.

It's no different to 'north sider' or 'southsider' or 'd4 head' people are put into groups in every city on earth and every country on earth.

Beechwoodspark · 23-07-2019 8:42pm

ongarboy wrote: »

Are you seriously offended by me using the term culchieland? I am a culchie and proud of it and use it as a term of affection, never in a derogatory way to you ( if you are from outside the pale) or anyone else. I do however live in Dublin in recent years now. Your hostility is a little strong....

I always call Dublin either jackeen land or junkie Ville but it’s meant in good humour

Mardyke · 23-07-2019 8:47pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I always call Dublin either jackeen land or junkie Ville but it’s meant in good humour

That upsets the West Brits in fairness

ongarboy · 24-07-2019 2:55pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I always call Dublin either jackeen land or junkie Ville but it’s meant in good humour

Exactly and no Dub would be offended by it said in good humour I'm pretty sure. Yet some snowflakes are offended by the use of culchie when the context is meant in good humour! I suppose snowflakes will be offended by the term snowflakes too....:rolleyes:

Ben D Bus · 10-02-2020 12:16pm

Brambles is open today in the old Easons. Looks nice. I'll try it for lunch.

ongarboy · 11-02-2020 12:47am

Ben D Bus wrote: »

Brambles is open today in the old Easons. Looks nice. I'll try it for lunch.

Good to hear. I noticed the last time I was in Heuston last month that there was not one place you could order a freshly made up sandwich as the previous 3 outlets that did were replaced by an Insomnia, a donut shop and an Asian street food counter. Hopefully Brambles addresses this.

Ben D Bus · 12-02-2020 7:49pm

ongarboy wrote: »

Good to hear. I noticed the last time I was in Heuston last month that there was not one place you could order a freshly made up sandwich as the previous 3 outlets that did were replaced by an Insomnia, a donut shop and an Asian street food counter. Hopefully Brambles addresses this.

If you're hoping for something like a deli counter you'll be disappointed. They have a few ready made options and some pre-packed sandwiches. Fairly limited hot food too.

It's a comfortable spot, way better than anything else in the station, but choice is limited.

Emme · 12-02-2020 11:07pm

Ben D Bus wrote: »

If you're hoping for something like a deli counter you'll be disappointed. They have a few ready made options and some pre-packed sandwiches. Fairly limited hot food too.

It's a comfortable spot, way better than anything else in the station, but choice is limited.

More train station fodder then. It's easy money for them. I have never seen so many unhealthy food outlets under one roof. Operation Transformation should do a programme on fat commuters (most of us are fat and I used to run 10Ks before I moved to commuterland) and show just how bad Heuston is for food. It's a heart attack, type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure and mindless hurried eating under one roof. It's a wonder Prof Donal O'Shea hasn't tried to get the place shut down. Or a few salad bars put in. Juice bar doesn't count, all those juices are full of sugar.

Del.Monte · 13-02-2020 12:00am

Back in the 1970s/90s there a fine restaurant on Platform.1. which management kept a secret where the awful Brasserie was later on. Though nominally open to the public it was used by Head Office managers to entertain - even me on a couple of occasions - silver service too but it had all the appearance of being closed. Venetian blinds on the windows.

Sic transit gloria mundi.

tabbey · 15-02-2020 10:29pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

Back in the 1970s/90s there a fine restaurant on Platform.1.
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For years I promised myself a treat there, alas, I left it too late.

Vita nova · 19-03-2020 12:42pm

ongarboy wrote: »

Are you seriously offended by me using the term culchieland? I am a culchie and proud of it and use it as a term of affection, never in a derogatory way to you ( if you are from outside the pale) or anyone else. I do however live in Dublin in recent years now. Your hostility is a little strong....

To be honest, I could understand someone reacting negatively to that label regardless of how it's meant, and I say that as a ruralite.

XPS_Zero wrote: »

It's hardly a term of bullying or abuse. It just means someone from outside Dublin...and there is a difference between us, don't tell me there is no cos in political circles I interact with people from all around the country and I constantly hear examples of the chip people outside Dublin (esp from the west) have on their shoulder for how "Dem up in Dublin get everything!" They practically see us as a different species.

It's no different to 'north sider' or 'southsider' or 'd4 head' people are put into groups in every city on earth and every country on earth.

"It's hardly a term of bullying or abuse" - It can be. I could see its use being considered name-calling by a HR department.

"It just means someone from outside Dublin." - That's not a universal definition though, and besides it's a synonym for "an unsophisticated country person"URL="https://www.google.com/search?q=culchie&rlz=1C1CHBF_enIE833IE833&oq=culchie&aqs=chrome..69i57.2031j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8"]ref[/URL.

"It's no different to 'north sider' or 'southsider' or 'd4 head" - It's very different; north, south and d4 are regions or points of the compass and there's nothing intrinsically pejorative about northsider, southsider or D4 head.

PreCocious · 26-03-2020 8:50pm

Vita nova wrote: »

To be honest, I could understand someone reacting negatively to that label regardless of how it's meant, and I say that as a ruralite.

"It's hardly a term of bullying or abuse" - It can be. I could see its use being considered name-calling by a HR department.

"It just means someone from outside Dublin." - That's not a universal definition though, and besides it's a synonym for "an unsophisticated country person"URL="https://www.google.com/search?q=culchie&rlz=1C1CHBF_enIE833IE833&oq=culchie&aqs=chrome..69i57.2031j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8"]ref[/URL.

"It's no different to 'north sider' or 'southsider' or 'd4 head" - It's very different; north, south and d4 are regions or points of the compass and there's nothing intrinsically pejorative about northsider, southsider or D4 head.

You can't seriously believe culchie is perjorative but northsider is fine ? They're all codewords for a particular groupings worst attributes.

Vita nova · 28-03-2020 11:56am

PreCocious wrote: »

You can't seriously believe culchie is perjorative but northsider is fine ? They're all codewords for a particular groupings worst attributes.

Reread what I wrote, north and northside are terms for regions and there is nothing "intrinsically pejorative" about northsider or any -sider from an etymological viewpoint and it's the same in every English speaking country. The same cannot be said for the other term. I felt XPS_Zero was making a false equivalence to justify his arguments.

Isambard · 28-03-2020 1:10pm

it was 6 months ago, I expect he got over it.

Bailey43 · 23-10-2020 7:39pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

Back in the 1970s/90s there a fine restaurant on Platform.1. which management kept a secret where the awful Brasserie was later on. Though nominally open to the public it was used by Head Office managers to entertain - even me on a couple of occasions - silver service too but it had all the appearance of being closed. Venetian blinds on the windows.

Sic transit gloria mundi.

I worked as a waiter in that restaurant back in the late 80',s..It was on platform 2.

Del.Monte · 23-10-2020 8:49pm

Bailey43 wrote: »

I worked as a waiter in that restaurant back in the late 80',s..It was on platform 2.

You have me there alright, Platform 1 was accessed via Platform 2 - the old military platform if I remember correctly. Anyway, the old 'secret' restaurant was a good place to eat - a bit like the secret restaurant in the old buffet at Connolly.

tabbey · 23-10-2020 10:12pm

Bailey43 wrote: »

I worked as a waiter in that restaurant back in the late 80',s..It was on platform 2.

If I am not mistaken, the numbers were changed when the middle platform (3&4) opened in 1974.

Before that, we had the departure platform, now 2, the arrival platform, now 5, and the military platform, now 1. I think the military platform might have been 3, in which case, 1&2 were the departure and arrival platforms.

So, you're both right.

Easons at Heuston Station closed

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