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SJW campaign leads to porn star suicide.

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  • #102
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    LadyMacBeth_ wrote: »
    Thanks for your replies, I've just never really thought about it. I'm coming from a different place as a bi-sexual person though. I think it's probably similar to the fact that I generally tend to be more attracted to white people than black people or Asian people. I don't consider it to be racist, just my general sexual preference.
    I'd be the same when it came to "racial" preferences. Just don't find Asian/African women subjectively attractive for me. Maybe my willy is in the KKK...

    On women being dubious about sex with men who have had sex with other men I can see the biological logic behind it. As a heterosexual man I'd have no issue with bi women and a few of my exes have been. Unprotected lesbian sex would be about the least risky as far as HIV transmission goes all things being equal, whereas unprotected gay sex between men would be about the most risky and cold hard stats bear this out. In the US two thirds of new HIV infections are among gay/bi men. Gay women don't even figure, or at least to so small a degree it's hard to find stats for them. Which makes biological "mechanical" sense.

    Heterosexual women are at more risk of HIV and other STD's because in unprotected sex men leave *ahem* body fluids containing the virus internally. Much higher potential viral load and across a much larger area of sensitive moist skin than going the other way. Homosexual/Bi male sex same thing, only said stuff is left in an area not quite evolved to take it and the tissue is even thinner so more chance of tears etc(of course same is in play in hetero couples that include the road less traveled).

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • #103
    siblers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,600 ✭✭✭✭siblers


    Ubbquittious wrote: »
    Can we not just build a wall around the united states and cut them off from the rest of the world?

    Walls aren't much use when it comes to cyber bullying


  • #104
    Saruhashi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 591 ✭✭✭Saruhashi


    RayM wrote: »
    At the risk of some dullard calling me a "virtue signaler" I'd just like to say that I would never, under any circumstances, discriminate against a cake, whatever its colour.

    Can't argue with this.

    I'd white knight for a cake even if nobody would take notice of how virtuous I was being.

    I only virtue signal for cookies and likes.

    :)


  • #105
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    This thread has confirmed something pretty depressing to me; everyone seems to have a side now.

    If this was a story of online abuse leading to a suicide would the first reaction be "Oh they obviously must have had other problems already". If it was Transphobic abuse or "slut-shaming" would the first instinct be to undermine that argument? Would it ****e.


    Tragic stuff altogether, whatever the "cause".

    Hold your horses there. She ended her life within days of making the Tweet in question.

    Most people would note the chain of events happened very rapidly, and it's reasonable to speculate that there may have been other issues that this was piled on top of. That doesn't mean the bullying wasn't the cause, just that it may have been part of other causes too.

    Not all posts have to be interpreted through the lens of whatever a persons pet bias is.

    That girl is dead - at least in part - because people are vicious, and thats the most important to take away here.


  • #106
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,946 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Gijoseph wrote: »
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/august-ames-dead-porn-actress-suicide-body-adult-films-actor-a8096496.html

    So basically August refused to do a scene with a male star who also does Gay porn scenes. This was apparently because gay porn actors do not get tested because they wear condoms. However there was huge backlash against the girl for this by women and gay men on social media platforms to the point where they told the girl to kill herself.

    Is it time to start handing out harsh punishments for bullying on social media?

    Urging opponents to commit suicide. The Bertie Ahern Approach.


  • #107
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Candie wrote: »
    Hold your horses there. She ended her life within days of making the Tweet in question.

    Most people would note the chain of events happened very rapidly, and it's reasonable to speculate that there may have been other issues that this was piled on top of. That doesn't mean the bullying wasn't the cause, just that it may have been part of other causes too.

    Not all posts have to be interpreted through the lens of whatever a persons pet bias is.

    That girl is dead - at least in part - because people are vicious, and thats the most important to take away here.

    Thanks for missing my point. My horses are fine btw, I have a boy for them.


  • #108
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Only it's been reported that she had been suffering heavily from depression.

    Ah right, I kind of suspected that given the rapid unfolding of events. The poor thing.


  • #109
    JackTaylorFan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭JackTaylorFan


    She was a porn star, I imagine there was lot more going on under the surface than just this one instant.


  • #110
    beertons
    Hosted Moderators Posts: 23,151 ✭✭✭✭beertons


    What a girl. More famous now than when she was alive. Bet she'll be trending on redtube for weeks.

    She made over 290 movies, don't try watch them all in the one go.


  • #111
    Sephiroth_dude
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 80,790 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    Poor girl, the reaction and the hate towards her for her choice was ridiculous, she shouldn't have had too explain herself too anyone let alone those keyboard morons!


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  • #112
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    beertons wrote: »
    What a girl. More famous now than when she was alive. Bet she'll be trending on redtube for weeks.

    She made over 290 movies, don't try watch them all in the one go.

    Hilarious.


  • #113
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,690 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Candie wrote: »
    Hold your horses there. She ended her life within days of making the Tweet in question.

    Most people would note the chain of events happened very rapidly, and it's reasonable to speculate that there may have been other issues that this was piled on top of. That doesn't mean the bullying wasn't the cause, just that it may have been part of other causes too.

    Not all posts have to be interpreted through the lens of whatever a persons pet bias is.

    That girl is dead - at least in part - because people are vicious, and thats the most important to take away here.

    Im sure a lot of the tweets weren't even "vicious" but using the magic word "homophobic" is the moral equivalent of sticking pins in a doll, it has magic powers if you think it has.

    here is a random tweet I pulled from her account, on any other topic its not much above with "I disagree" but it has the magic incantation included
    Jimmy‏
    @NicksNaughtyPup
    Follow Follow @NicksNaughtyPup
    More
    Replying to @LSWG321 @AugustAmesxxx
    no her tweet was extremely homophobic. she should just admit, apologize and move on
    5:43 AM - 5 Dec 2017

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #114
    [Deleted User]
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    Candie wrote: »
    Ah right, I kind of suspected that given the rapid unfolding of events. The poor thing.

    Well, my understanding is that other porn stars that knew her mentioned they were aware of her depression, but didn't know how deep it actually was.

    The backlash she received was probably the straw that broke the camel's back and she couldn't take it.

    You'd have to wonder whether the people that tweeted bile at her feel anything for being indirectly responsible for her death.


  • #115
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


    This post has been deleted.


  • #116
    Sephiroth_dude
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 80,790 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    JackTaylorFan wrote: »
    LOL... The irony :pac:

    Excuse me?


  • #117
    JackTaylorFan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭JackTaylorFan


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    Her comments were pretty homophobic though.

    Discrimination in the workplace and all that nonsense.


  • #118
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    Totally agree. It just shows how scary the internet mob can be.

    Remember when the Rosetta spacecraft landed on that comet? The head of the project appeared on camera wearing a shirt that had half-naked women on it. He received so much backlash that he had to give a press conference apologising for wearing the shirt.

    What should have been the happiest day of his life -- the culmination of nearly a decade of effort -- and he was reduced to tears because of the exact same kind of crowd mentality that this lady faced.

    And it turned out that the shirt was made by his best friend -- a woman -- and he was wearing it because of how much he loved it and to give her work an international audience.

    This kind of SJW crowd mentality is an absolute pox.


  • #119
    neonsofa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,476 ✭✭✭neonsofa


    It was based on the fact that the testing procedures for gay porn are not as stringent as in straight porn afaik. So if a guy has done gay porn without undergoing sufficient testing, the risk of exposure was obviously higher. Afaik, even if he then undergoes the stringent testing in preparation for a scene with a woman, there is still a risk that he had contracted hiv when the actors went untested and it's just too soon to show up on the test now. There was a porn star in America who tested clean before a scene but then at his next testing two weeks after it came up positive and he has been saying that testing every two weeks is not sufficient. But I am obviously no expert on porn or std testing so that could all be incorrect info,it's just my understanding from what I've heard!
    (Last part sounds like I'm protesting a little too much :pac: )


  • #120
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    JackTaylorFan wrote: »
    Her comments were pretty homophobic though.

    Discrimination in the workplace and all that nonsense.

    Emm....no they weren't?
    :confused:

    People are entitled to put more value in their health and safety over their work?



    Noone can force you to do anything in work (no matter what it is),if you don't want too


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  • #121
    Permabear
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    This post has been deleted.


  • #122
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    PeterParker957 wrote: »
    I hate coffee cake and it will never be welcome in my house.

    Carrot cake is the king of standard cakes. But to preach such vitriol against coffee cake should be a charter breach.

    I'll stand by my opinion!!!!! ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜


  • #123
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    JackTaylorFan wrote: »
    Her comments were pretty homophobic though.

    Discrimination in the workplace and all that nonsense.

    Nonsense is right in this post.


  • #124
    JackTaylorFan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭JackTaylorFan


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    If her reasoning for not consenting is based on any of the terms covered by the discriminatory in the workplace laws in her country? Yes.


  • #125
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,348 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    JackTaylorFan wrote: »
    Her comments were pretty homophobic though.

    Nope, her phobia (if that word is even appropriate, I have strong doubts as to which definition of phobia you are working under) was towards the gay porn industry, not homosexuals or homosexuality.

    Also it is worth remembering that not all porn actors who do gay porn are, themselves, homosexual.


  • #126
    major bill
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,421 ✭✭✭major bill


    JackTaylorFan wrote: »
    If her reasoning for not consenting is based on any of the terms covered by the discriminatory in the workplace laws in her country? Yes.

    She gave her reason so which laws is she breaking?


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  • #127
    Ineedaname
    Closed Accounts Posts: 369 ✭✭Ineedaname


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Totally agree. It just shows how scary the internet mob can be.

    Remember when the Rosetta spacecraft landed on that comet? The head of the project appeared on camera wearing a shirt that had half-naked women on it. He received so much backlash that he had to give a press conference apologising for wearing the shirt.

    What should have been the happiest day of his life -- the culmination of nearly a decade of effort -- and he was reduced to tears because of the exact same kind of crowd mentality that this lady faced.

    And it turned out that the shirt was made by his best friend -- a woman -- and he was wearing it because of how much he loved it and to give her work an international audience.

    This kind of SJW crowd mentality is an absolute pox.

    I've read some of the tweets directed at her. Some of them are truly vile.

    What's most disturbing though is they seem completely incapable of grasping the irony of abusing her for refusing to have sex with someone she wasn't comfortable with.


  • #128
    Help!!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,965 ✭✭✭Help!!!!


    Ubbquittious wrote: »
    Can we not just build a wall around the united states and cut them off from the rest of the world?

    Unfortunately we have already a number of people in Ireland who have caught the SJW mental disorder


  • #129
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,348 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    Ineedaname wrote: »
    I've read some of the tweets directed at her. Some of them are truly vile.

    I am not a twitter user or reader myself, but I am more and more getting the impression that vile tweets are alas par for the course. My news feed had an article citing some of the tweets that were truly vile directed at a women who appeared on a break fast show this week.

    The crime this woman committed? She invites a large quantity of family to her house for dinner every Christmas, and due to the costs of feeding that many people a quality and memorable meal..... she asks them to pay some money towards it.

    The vileness of the tweets directed at her does not seem to scale with this "crime" very much. I somewhat feel noticing the vileness of tweets on ANY topic (let alone this one) is about as useful as noting that water is wet these days.


  • #130
    Permabear
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    This post has been deleted.


  • #131
    Wombatman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    This thread title is such BS.

    "SJW campaign leads to porn star suicide"

    We have no idea if this is the case. No newspaper would dare run with a headline like this.

    The linked article in the OP had a headline which is fact

    "August Ames dead: 23-year-old adult entertainment actor's body found after homophobia row".

    A fairer thread title would be ""SJW campaign may have contributed to porn star suicide"

    Users see these thread titles bubbling up in latest posts and it somehow becomes truth. Very misleading.


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  • #132
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    JackTaylorFan wrote: »
    If her reasoning for not consenting is based on any of the terms covered by the discriminatory in the workplace laws in her country? Yes.

    Choosing to not have sex with a particular individual on the basis of personal preference isn't discrimination, ffs.


  • #133
    JackTaylorFan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭JackTaylorFan


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    Emm....no they weren't?
    :confused:

    People are entitled to put more value in their health and safety over their work?



    Noone can force you to do anything in work (no matter what it is),if you don't want too

    Her job is to **** people. She's more than likely ****ed tons of guys who haven't been tested, but didn't object to it because they were straight.

    Also, what is with people and too on here? It's like you've all forgot about grammar in your moment of incandescent rage.


  • #134
    JackTaylorFan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭JackTaylorFan


    anna080 wrote: »
    Choosing to not have sex with a particular individual on the basis of personal preference isn't discrimination, ffs.

    If it's your job, it kinda is. I have to work with people I don't particularly like. But I grin and bear it.


  • #135
    DivingDuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭DivingDuck


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    The porn industry agrees with you, which is why they have an entire concept of a "no" list— that wouldn't fly in most other industries, but we are talking about having sex here. Nobody should have to have sex with someone they don't want to have sex with, no matter what their reasons. It is their body, and therefor their choice.

    I always wondered when the obsession with inclusivity at the expense of all other rights would end with people claiming others had no right to discriminate about who they had sex with. I guess that time has come.


  • #136
    JackTaylorFan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭JackTaylorFan


    Wombatman wrote: »
    This thread title is such BS.

    "SJW campaign leads to porn star suicide"

    We have no idea if this is the case. No newspaper would dare run with a headline like this.

    The linked article in the OP had a headline which is fact

    "August Ames dead: 23-year-old adult entertainment actor's body found after homophobia row".

    A fairer thread title would be ""SJW campaign may have contributed to porn star suicide"

    Users see these thread titles bubbling up in latest posts and it somehow becomes truth. Very misleading.


    Ironically this thread is to try encourage bullying of people considered SJWs


  • #137
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    JackTaylorFan wrote: »
    Her job is to **** people. She's more than likely ****ed tons of guys who haven't been tested, but didn't object to it because they were straight.

    Also, what is with people and too on here? It's like you've all forgot about grammar in your moment of incandescent rage.

    Well, as has been mentioned, regular testing for STIs is pretty much mandatory for straight pornography. What I didn't realise, but has been mentioned here, is that in gay pornography the testing isn't as stringent (surely I hope it's not the case). If true, it would be understandable that she did not want to take the risk.

    Also having to rely on pointing out grammatical errors shows that you're using it as a fallback as you don't fully believe in your own opinion.


  • #138
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    JackTaylorFan wrote: »
    Her job is to **** people. She's more than likely ****ed tons of guys who haven't been tested, but didn't object to it because they were straight.
    .

    Article says testing is widespread in straight porn...but not in gay??. ...this seems to be the issue here


    She is unwilling to risk her health for her job.... I don't see any issue here tbh??

    She said she not do it (as is anyones right in any work),her employer got someone else to do the job (as is there right)......


    She tipped off someone and advised againest the health risk. ....seriously wtf is the problem.here?


  • #139
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    JackTaylorFan wrote: »
    If it's your job, it kinda is. I have to work with people I don't particularly like. But I grin and bear it.

    So she has to just grin and bear it and fcuk whoever walks in the door no questions asked? Just because she was a porn star doesn't mean her right to consent is eroded and invalidated.
    Your perspective is grim.


  • #140
    JackTaylorFan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭JackTaylorFan


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Well, as has been mentioned, regular testing for STIs is pretty much mandatory for straight pornography. What I didn't realise, but has been mentioned here, is that in gay pornography the testing isn't as stringent (surely I hope it's not the case). If true, it would be understandable that she did not want to take the risk.

    Also having to rely on pointing out grammatical errors shows that you're using it as a fallback as you don't fully believe in your own opinion.

    The guy was shooting straight porn - by your logic, and by the regulations of straight porn he would have had to have been tested. The rest of your argument is biased crap


  • #141
    JackTaylorFan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭JackTaylorFan


    anna080 wrote: »
    So she has to just grin and bear it and fcuk whoever walks in the door no questions asked? Just because she was a porn star doesn't mean her right to consent is eroded and invalidated.
    Your perspective is grim.

    I'm sure she signed some contract to **** said guy. Then broke contract for the sole reason that she found out the guy ****ed another guy once. That sounds a little homophobic to me.


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  • #142
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    JackTaylorFan wrote: »
    If it's your job, it kinda is. I have to work with people I don't particularly like. But I grin and bear it.

    Worst analogy ever.

    If you are asked to do something you dont want to do, you can refuse to do it and take your chances with disciplinary process, or leave.

    Look at her as a contractor.
    She chose not to undertake certain work/work with certain clients.


  • #143
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,348 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    JackTaylorFan wrote: »
    I'm sure she signed some contract to **** said guy. Then broke contract for the sole reason that she found out the guy ****ed another guy once. That sounds a little homophobic to me.

    Many things do to you. However as I said her issue seemed to be with the gay porn industry, not gay people or gay sex. AGAIN it pays to remember that peoples who have gay sex in porn are not always themselves gay.


  • #144
    JackTaylorFan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭JackTaylorFan


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    Worst analogy ever.

    If you are asked to do something you dont want to do, you can refuse to do it and take your chances with disciplinary process, or leave.

    Look at her as a contractor.
    She chose not to undertake certain work/work with certain clients.

    We gonna argue artistic freedom? Cool. I'll accept that. It's still homophobic artistic freedom.


  • #145
    [Deleted User]
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    JackTaylorFan wrote: »
    I'm sure she signed some contract to **** said guy. Then broke contract for the sole reason that she found out the guy ****ed another guy once. That sounds a little homophobic to me.

    You're the kind to hurl sh1te on Twitter, aren't you?


  • #146
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    JackTaylorFan wrote: »
    I'm sure she signed some contract to **** said guy. Then broke contract for another reason that she found out the guy ****ed another guy once. That sounds a little homophobic to me.

    Do you have any proof that this is the case, or are you just pulling shlt out of got arse?

    She's entitled to have sex with whoever she wants, based on whatever reasons she desires.

    There's a whiff of the notion that she should be forced into sex with people so as to not offend them from your posts.
    Grim.


  • #147
    JackTaylorFan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭JackTaylorFan


    nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »
    it pays to remember that peoples who have gay sex in porn are not always themselves gay.

    No ****... Well thanks for the lesson...


  • #148
    neonsofa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,476 ✭✭✭neonsofa


    JackTaylorFan wrote: »
    The guy was shooting straight porn - by your logic, and by the regulations of straight porn he would have had to have been tested. The rest of your argument is biased crap

    Stringent testing after a high risk encounter that may have resulted in him contracting hiv, which when tested so soon after exposure may not be detected.


  • #149
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    JackTaylorFan wrote: »
    I'm sure she signed some contract to **** said guy. Then broke contract for the sole reason that she found out the guy ****ed another guy once. That sounds a little homophobic to me.

    Will you listen to yourself:

    Someone is homophobic because they wouldnt fcuk someone...


  • #150
    JackTaylorFan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭JackTaylorFan


    anna080 wrote: »
    Do you have any proof that this is the case, or are you just pulling shlt out of got arse?

    Do you have any proof it isn't?

    Well?

    You're the guys working on assumption here, before I showed up


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  • #151
    JackTaylorFan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭JackTaylorFan


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You're the kind to hurl sh1te on Twitter, aren't you?

    Never used Twitter in my life, guy.

    #morelazyarsedassumptions.


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