FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

Ace2007 · 25-02-2021 8:16pm

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

The Irish person should be in hotel quarantine. The person who came to Belfast and travelled here should have been met by a checkpoint our side of the border and if a tourist sent back where they came from.

Do you know how big the border is? it's not realistic to man the border nor is it politically going to happen - not even SF would suggest to man the border.

What is the Irish person was what you called an essential worker a few posts ago - perhaps they brought it into the country - you seem to suggest that they wouldn't need to quarantine. Have you changed your mind about this now?

James Brown · 25-02-2021 8:18pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Correct decision. The scale of the epidemic isn't such that it is required. It would be disproportionate.

We are already on the borderline with regards to human rights.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0225/1199178-human-rights-covid-legislation/

"The IHREC has pointed out that separate to this research, it warned Oireachtas members last September that emergency legislation related to Covid-19 needed to be used exceptionally, and subjected to strict human rights standards and oversight."

It seems that those voting for mandatory quarantine are ignoring all human rights consideration, yet they would be the first to complain if there was a finding.

Sections of Australia lockdown if one case is reported. Disproportion is in the eye of the beholder it seems. I believe Canada has anyone arriving paying for their own hotel stay.

Quite right. This is how it works, we discuss things. If we are told they would contravene civil rights, we don't. We shouldn't assume and not do things without looking into it.

Ace2007 wrote: »

Maybe in a thread about the virus or the sub forum, but not in a thread about the government - it's just spreading rumours without knowing the facts behind it.

This is a general thread regarding government. Stuff comes up.

Whatisthisnow · 25-02-2021 8:21pm

Ace2007 wrote: »

Do you know how big the border is? it's not realistic to man the border nor is it politically going to happen - not even SF would suggest to man the border.

What is the Irish person was what you called an essential worker a few posts ago - perhaps they brought it into the country - you seem to suggest that they wouldn't need to quarantine. Have you changed your mind about this now?

Its about limiting the chances of the virus and new strains getting here. If a flight has 50 on it split 50/50 essential workers. Is it better to allow 25 go do what they want or send them to quarantine.

We are not allowed travel 5km and people are talking about civil rights of tourists coming into country during a pandemic.

blanch152 · 25-02-2021 8:25pm

Ace2007 wrote: »

Do you know how big the border is? it's not realistic to man the border nor is it politically going to happen - not even SF would suggest to man the border.

What is the Irish person was what you called an essential worker a few posts ago - perhaps they brought it into the country - you seem to suggest that they wouldn't need to quarantine. Have you changed your mind about this now?

Look, some of the people suggesting things don't have a clue, they are just repeating what the opposition are saying without any filter.

I asked about hotel room numbers earlier, didn't get a credible response.

Mandatory quarantine is only useful as part of a zero Covid strategy, which the same posters deny they want.

blanch152 · 25-02-2021 8:30pm

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

Its about limiting the chances of the virus and new strains getting here. If a flight has 50 on it split 50/50 essential workers. Is it better to allow 25 go do what they want or send them to quarantine.

We are not allowed travel 5km and people are talking about civil rights of tourists coming into country during a pandemic.

The virus getting here is not the problem, the virus already here is.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0225/1199357-hse-coronavirus-ireland/

"HSE Chief Executive Paul Reid has said while there is "room for optimism" due to the vaccination roll-out, the HSE "remains concerned" at the high level of movement across the community."

""There are out higher levels of movement across society, people going to work, in transit and moving between households."

"Mr Reid also said there has been an increase in the positivity rate among close contacts over the past seven days, and that the average number of close contacts for the last seven days is 3.3 - with one person recording 38 close contacts."

Those who are wasting their breath about manadatory quarantine are ignoring the public health experts and their advice and should be concentrating on the real issues of people movement.

Whatisthisnow · 25-02-2021 8:30pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Look, some of the people suggesting things don't have a clue, they are just repeating what the opposition are saying without any filter.

I asked about hotel room numbers earlier, didn't get a credible response.

Mandatory quarantine is only useful as part of a zero Covid strategy, which the same posters deny they want.

Yes you did. It was pointed out that theres thousands of hotel rooms all over Ireland, not just Dublin

Whatisthisnow · 25-02-2021 8:34pm

blanch152 wrote: »

The virus getting here is not the problem, the virus already here is.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0225/1199357-hse-coronavirus-ireland/

"HSE Chief Executive Paul Reid has said while there is "room for optimism" due to the vaccination roll-out, the HSE "remains concerned" at the high level of movement across the community."

""There are out higher levels of movement across society, people going to work, in transit and moving between households."

"Mr Reid also said there has been an increase in the positivity rate among close contacts over the past seven days, and that the average number of close contacts for the last seven days is 3.3 - with one person recording 38 close contacts."

Those who are wasting their breath about manadatory quarantine are ignoring the public health experts and their advice and should be concentrating on the real issues of people movement.

Just under 4000 people arrived last week non essential, they are moving about the country.
Our schools are returning Monday that will be more movement. I have to take 8 and 9 year old to the school gates just so my 5 yr old can go back. I know plenty in same boat

My sons school has pupils from both sides of the border

blanch152 · 25-02-2021 8:39pm

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

Yes you did. It was pointed out that theres thousands of hotel rooms all over Ireland, not just Dublin

I said I didn't get a credible response. The only one I did get didn't understand the extra risks associated with the idea.

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

Just under 4000 people arrived last week non essential, they are moving about the country.
Our schools are returning Monday that will be more movement. I have to take 8 and 9 year old to the school gates just so my 5 yr old can go back. I know plenty in same boat

My sons school has pupils from both sides of the border

I assume that they are being sent straight to quarantine for two weeks?

Whatisthisnow · 25-02-2021 8:40pm

blanch152 wrote: »

I said I didn't get a credible response. The only one I did get didn't understand the extra risks associated with the idea.

I assume that they are being sent straight to quarantine for two weeks?

Why would they, our Govt voted against it. The same day a new strain has been identified

Ace2007 · 25-02-2021 8:42pm

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

Just under 4000 people arrived last week non essential, they are moving about the country.
Our schools are returning Monday that will be more movement. I have to take 8 and 9 year old to the school gates just so my 5 yr old can go back. I know plenty in same boat

My sons school has pupils from both sides of the border

How do you know there were 4,000 and that they were non-essential travel? How do you know they are moving around the country?

Ace2007 · 25-02-2021 8:54pm

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

Why would they, our Govt voted against it. The same day a new strain has been identified

But what about the Government in the north, given SF voted for it down here, I'm sure they are pushing for mandatory quarantine in the north for those that cross the board? o wait, no there aren't - wonder why that is?

Whatisthisnow · 25-02-2021 8:54pm

Ace2007 wrote: »

How do you know there were 4,000 and that they were non-essential travel? How do you know they are moving around the country?

Stephen Donnelly stated it in the dail yesterday.

We don't know that's the problem

Whatisthisnow · 25-02-2021 8:56pm

Ace2007 wrote: »

But what about the Government in the north, given SF voted for it down here, I'm sure they are pushing for mandatory quarantine in the north for those that cross the board? o wait, no there aren't - wonder why that is?

Eh mandotary quarantine wasnt for n Ireland residents. It was for anyone arriving in the state from ports/airports

You knew this

blanch152 · 25-02-2021 8:56pm

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

Why would they, our Govt voted against it. The same day a new strain has been identified

Another new strain today?

There was a California one detected a few days ago, so what one are you talking about?

Whatisthisnow · 25-02-2021 8:59pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Another new strain today?

There was a California one detected a few days ago, so what one are you talking about?

Great it came via the post did it?

blanch152 · 25-02-2021 9:00pm

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

Eh mandotary quarantine wasnt for n Ireland residents. It was for anyone arriving in the state from ports/airports

You knew this

And completely useless and pointless without similar for people coming from Northern Ireland.

Throughout the pandemic, the importation of the virus across the land border has caused much more problems than the importation of the virus through ports and airports. Donegal, Monaghan and Louth have suffered far more because of that.

blanch152 · 25-02-2021 9:00pm

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

Great it came via the post did it?

So there wasn't a new variant identified today?

James Brown · 25-02-2021 9:02pm

blanch152 wrote: »

The virus getting here is not the problem, the virus already here is.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0225/1199357-hse-coronavirus-ireland/

"HSE Chief Executive Paul Reid has said while there is "room for optimism" due to the vaccination roll-out, the HSE "remains concerned" at the high level of movement across the community."

""There are out higher levels of movement across society, people going to work, in transit and moving between households."

"Mr Reid also said there has been an increase in the positivity rate among close contacts over the past seven days, and that the average number of close contacts for the last seven days is 3.3 - with one person recording 38 close contacts."

Those who are wasting their breath about manadatory quarantine are ignoring the public health experts and their advice and should be concentrating on the real issues of people movement.

blanch152 wrote: »

Another new strain today?

There was a California one detected a few days ago, so what one are you talking about?

Director of the National Virus Reference Laboratory Dr Cillian de Gascun has said one case of the B1525 variant which was first identified in December in the UK and Nigeria has been confirmed in Ireland.

He said the reason they are potentially concerned about B1525 is because it possesses the E484K amino acid change, which has been associated with reduced response to neutralising antibodies.

The idea is to stamp out the spread, so obviously more coming in would be an issue, no?

Mr. Reid is basically an administrator, not a medical expert.
You know full well if FF/FG came out looking to bring it in you'd be on here defending it.

Whatisthisnow · 25-02-2021 9:04pm

blanch152 wrote: »

And completely useless and pointless without similar for people coming from Northern Ireland.

Throughout the pandemic, the importation of the virus across the land border has caused much more problems than the importation of the virus through ports and airports. Donegal, Monaghan and Louth have suffered far more because of that.

Yes because our Govt refused to asw emails from Stormont and never really bothered their arse trying to get an all island approach

Ace2007 · 25-02-2021 9:05pm

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

Eh mandotary quarantine wasnt for n Ireland residents. It was for anyone arriving in the state from ports/airports

You knew this

But there is no mandatory quarantine arriving into the north's ports and/r airports - why not? Why aren't SF putting this motion forward - given that they are in power in the north - why aren't they voting for it there??

Why aren't SF demanding that the north police their side of the border and stop people from traveling south?

You stated earlier in the thread that there should be checkpoints in the south and to send people "back to where they came from".

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

The Irish person should be in hotel quarantine. The person who came to Belfast and travelled here should have been met by a checkpoint our side of the border and if a tourist sent back where they came from.

You seem to be very like SF - we'll say one thing for the south, but say nothing about the north, despite them being in power in the north.

Whatisthisnow · 25-02-2021 9:05pm

blanch152 wrote: »

So there wasn't a new variant identified today?

There was, do you read the news or just Eamonn Ryans updates

Whatisthisnow · 25-02-2021 9:07pm

Ace2007 wrote: »

But there is no mandatory quarantine arriving into the north's ports and/r airports - why not? Why aren't SF putting this motion forward - given that they are in power in the north - why aren't they voting for it there??

Why aren't SF demanding that the north police their side of the border and stop people from traveling south?

You stated earlier in the thread that there should be checkpoints in the south and to send people "back to where they came from".

You seem to be very like SF - we'll say one thing for the south, but say nothing about the north, despite them being in power in the north.

I don't live in the North. I dont have an opinion on what they do

We need to protect our country

I voted SD first if you want to know
There's no international arrivals into Belfast.

RandomViewer · 25-02-2021 9:10pm

blanch152 wrote: »

And completely useless and pointless without similar for people coming from Northern Ireland.

Throughout the pandemic, the importation of the virus across the land border has caused much more problems than the importation of the virus through ports and airports. Donegal, Monaghan and Louth have suffered far more because of that.

All flights from Brazil and Portugal to the UK and the North are cancelled so the Brazilian strain didn't come that way, Larry's indentured servants would be my suspicion

Whatisthisnow · 25-02-2021 9:12pm

RandomViewer wrote: »

All flights from Brazil and Portugal to the UK and the North are cancelled so the Brazilian strain didn't come that way, Larry's indentured servants would be my suspicion

Im amazed they dont know this about flights into Belfast or they do know and are trying to deflect

Ace2007 · 25-02-2021 9:13pm

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

I don't live in the North. I dont have an opinion on what they do

We need to protect our country

I voted SD first if you want to know
There's no international arrivals into Belfast.

No international arrivals? I can book a flight online now from New York to Belfast, via london. This idea that there is no international travel just means direct - what's stopping flights from the UK, or in my example flying to Belfast via a stop over in the UK?

So again what's stopping an individual with a deadly variant of the virus that's spreading in the UK, getting on a plane in Manchester and flying to Belfast? Nada. And until SF raise that issue in the north, they can realistically have no creditability in the south.

I also love how SF tweeted today about that vote, but have yet to tweet about their living with Covid plan - why is that?

RandomViewer · 25-02-2021 9:17pm

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

Im amazed they dont know this about flights into Belfast or they do know and are trying to deflect

Exploitation can't be held up by a little pandemic, Keeling likely bringing in pickers again this year to a country with 25% unemployment

Whatisthisnow · 25-02-2021 9:18pm

Ace2007 wrote: »

No international arrivals? I can book a flight online now from New York to Belfast, via london. This idea that there is no international travel just means direct - what's stopping flights from the UK, or in my example flying to Belfast via a stop over in the UK?

So again what's stopping an individual with a deadly variant of the virus that's spreading in the UK, getting on a plane in Manchester and flying to Belfast? Nada. And until SF raise that issue in the north, they can realistically have no creditability in the south.

I also love how SF tweeted today about that vote, but have yet to tweet about their living with Covid plan - why is that?

SF and SDLP tried, The unionists and alliance went against them. What do you want them to do?
The Green Party are in the North, what are they doing?

blanch152 · 25-02-2021 9:22pm

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

There was, do you read the news or just Eamonn Ryans updates

Don't see anything about it in the RTE headlines. Or on the Indo website.

Are you sure it is something that important?

blanch152 · 25-02-2021 9:24pm

Ace2007 wrote: »

No international arrivals? I can book a flight online now from New York to Belfast, via london. This idea that there is no international travel just means direct - what's stopping flights from the UK, or in my example flying to Belfast via a stop over in the UK?

So again what's stopping an individual with a deadly variant of the virus that's spreading in the UK, getting on a plane in Manchester and flying to Belfast? Nada. And until SF raise that issue in the north, they can realistically have no creditability in the south.

I also love how SF tweeted today about that vote, but have yet to tweet about their living with Covid plan - why is that?

Sinn Fein lost all credibility on the crisis when Michelle was calling for schools to be closed when Mary-Lou was calling for pubs to be open.

The only common thread was that they were against whatever the others wanted.

Whatisthisnow · 25-02-2021 9:25pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Don't see anything about it in the RTE headlines. Or on the Indo website.

Are you sure it is something that important?

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1365003088151609347?s=19

Yes its important, all cases and variants are important

Whatisthisnow · 25-02-2021 9:25pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Sinn Fein lost all credibility on the crisis when Michelle was calling for schools to be closed when Mary-Lou was calling for pubs to be open.

The only common thread was that they were against whatever the others wanted.

You still lying

Our Govt lost all credibility going against NPHET pre xmas which cost hundreds of lives

Ace2007 · 25-02-2021 9:32pm

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

You still lying

Our Govt lost all credibility going against NPHET pre xmas which cost hundreds of lives

Go into the Covid forum and just read the posts - the majoirty on there want the government to go against NPHET again and open the country.

Whatisthisnow · 25-02-2021 9:42pm

Ace2007 wrote: »

Go into the Covid forum and just read the posts - the majoirty on there want the government to go against NPHET again and open the country.

I dont use boards.ie to gather publics opinion

RandomViewer · 25-02-2021 9:45pm

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

SF and SDLP tried, The unionists and alliance went against them. What do you want them to do?
The Green Party are in the North, what are they doing?

If they are anything like the Southern version, off their faces or sleeping it off

Finty Lemon · 25-02-2021 9:50pm

All messing and bickering aside, it was something at least to see 4 counties report Zero cases this evening. Including Monaghan as it happens.
A further 5 counties with fewer than 10 cases.

With 226,000 vaccines administered (150k with second shot) there is some progress.

Leaving the politicians out of it, the health EXPERTS are straining to emphasize the precarious nature of things.

Individual responsibility must kick, despite the fact you might be pissed off.
So if you hate Donnelly, make him irrelevant and do whats needed. If you support Donnelly, do whats needed.

Whatisthisnow · 25-02-2021 9:51pm

RandomViewer wrote: »

If they are anything like the Southern version, off their faces or sleeping it off

Or defending Govt ministers leaking confidental documents to their 'not' friend

Going against their pre election promises because they are told too by their partners

Cluedo Monopoly · 25-02-2021 9:57pm

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0224/1199007-mother-and-baby-homes/

The Dáil has passed a Social Democrats motion to extend the Commission of Investigation into Mother and Baby Homes by one year.

The Government had chosen not to oppose the motion, however, it is not obliged to act on it.

Therefore the Commission will still conclude at the end of the week as scheduled.

This afternoon, Social Democrats TD Gary Gannon requested that the Dáil allocated time to discuss giving effect to the motion. However, this was voted down by the Government.

The duplicity will not be forgotten.

Finty Lemon · 25-02-2021 9:58pm

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

You still lying

Our Govt lost all credibility going against NPHET pre xmas which cost hundreds of lives

October 2020
MARY Lou McDonald has called for pubs to remain open.
Sinn Fein leader McDonald said she does not underestimate Covid-19 but disagreed with a move to close pubs and restaurants.
NPHET has recommended that indoor dining in pubs and restaurants in Dublin be banned as the county moved into Level 3 restrictions but the SF leader disagreed.
Wet pubs - bars which do not serve food - have already had their reopening delayed further due to surging cases in the capital.
Speaking on RTE's Today with Claire Byrne show McDonald said evidence does not suggest that restaurants and pubs are at as high of a risk for outbreaks as households.
She said: "What we're hearing, particularly in Dublin is that there is a problem with infection in our homes, with gatherings in homes.
"I think people have heard that message, I think therefore we need to be told what measures are needed to get a grip of that and to take the actions that keep people safe."

December
Allowing house to house visits 'absolutely the right call' and questions the closure of pubs due to 'low risk'.

As bad as Donnelly it seems

Whatisthisnow · 25-02-2021 9:58pm

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0224/1199007-mother-and-baby-homes/

The duplicity will not be forgotten.

Scum, every single one of them

25-02-2021 10:04pm

Finty Lemon wrote: »

October 2020
MARY Lou McDonald has called for pubs to remain open.
Sinn Fein leader McDonald said she does not underestimate Covid-19 but disagreed with a move to close pubs and restaurants.
NPHET has recommended that indoor dining in pubs and restaurants in Dublin be banned as the county moved into Level 3 restrictions but the SF leader disagreed.
Wet pubs - bars which do not serve food - have already had their reopening delayed further due to surging cases in the capital.
Speaking on RTE's Today with Claire Byrne show McDonald said evidence does not suggest that restaurants and pubs are at as high of a risk for outbreaks as households.
She said: "What we're hearing, particularly in Dublin is that there is a problem with infection in our homes, with gatherings in homes.
"I think people have heard that message, I think therefore we need to be told what measures are needed to get a grip of that and to take the actions that keep people safe."

December
Allowing house to house visits 'absolutely the right call' and questions the closure of pubs due to 'low risk'.

As bad as Donnelly it seems

Always someone else to blame,when government makes a balls of stuff

Finty Lemon · 25-02-2021 10:06pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Always someone else to blame,when government makes a balls of stuff

Always. As bad as each other.

Finty Lemon · 25-02-2021 10:06pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Always someone else to blame,when government makes a balls of stuff

No alternative

Finty Lemon · 25-02-2021 10:07pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Always someone else to blame,when government makes a balls of stuff

Weak government weak opposition. Clueless all.

25-02-2021 10:11pm

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Weak government weak opposition. Clueless all.

Time for em to resign so....noone has confidence in em

We have a new varient about,likely running rampant,which shows signs its semi-resistant to vaccine....the government vote down requiring mandatory hotel quarantine

We're going to be still pricking around with lockdowns,this time next year thanks to them

Ace2007 · 25-02-2021 10:13pm

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0224/1199007-mother-and-baby-homes/

The duplicity will not be forgotten.

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

Scum, every single one of them

There is no viable alternative government, so as much as you say it won't be forgotten it will be.

Whatisthisnow · 25-02-2021 10:24pm

Ace2007 wrote: »

Go into the Covid forum and just read the posts - the majoirty on there want the government to go against NPHET again and open the country.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/irish-times-poll-strong-support-for-reopening-society-as-soon-as-possible-1.4495298?mode=amp

31% think too many restrictions
43% about right
24% not enough

44% want to open up now so the majority do not want it opened

blanch152 · 25-02-2021 10:27pm

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1365003088151609347?s=19

Yes its important, all cases and variants are important

Yes, came across the land border from the UK.

Whatisthisnow · 25-02-2021 10:27pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Yes, came across the land border from the UK.

Did it? Have you proof of this or more lies?

blanch152 · 25-02-2021 10:30pm

Finty Lemon wrote: »

October 2020
MARY Lou McDonald has called for pubs to remain open.
Sinn Fein leader McDonald said she does not underestimate Covid-19 but disagreed with a move to close pubs and restaurants.
NPHET has recommended that indoor dining in pubs and restaurants in Dublin be banned as the county moved into Level 3 restrictions but the SF leader disagreed.
Wet pubs - bars which do not serve food - have already had their reopening delayed further due to surging cases in the capital.
Speaking on RTE's Today with Claire Byrne show McDonald said evidence does not suggest that restaurants and pubs are at as high of a risk for outbreaks as households.
She said: "What we're hearing, particularly in Dublin is that there is a problem with infection in our homes, with gatherings in homes.
"I think people have heard that message, I think therefore we need to be told what measures are needed to get a grip of that and to take the actions that keep people safe."

December
Allowing house to house visits 'absolutely the right call' and questions the closure of pubs due to 'low risk'.

As bad as Donnelly it seems

So Mary-Lou did call for pubs to be opened.

blanch152 wrote: »

Sinn Fein lost all credibility on the crisis when Michelle was calling for schools to be closed when Mary-Lou was calling for pubs to be open.

The only common thread was that they were against whatever the others wanted.

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

You still lying

Our Govt lost all credibility going against NPHET pre xmas which cost hundreds of lives

Withdraw your malicious accusation of lying.

blanch152 · 25-02-2021 10:32pm

Whatisthisnow wrote: »

Did it? Have you proof of this or more lies?

Stands to reason, more people enter Ireland across the land border every day than by any other means. Sure we had one poster on earlier telling us that traffic across the border was as high as ever.

FF/FG/Green Government - part 2

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