Joe Biden Presidency thread Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21

Tell me how · 25-02-2021 6:17pm

The Floyd p wrote: »

If people in this thread are anything to go by, Biden has possibly the easiest 4 years of any USA president ever. Just don't act overly oafish or unpresidential and you're golden, achieving little apart from ensuring more Democrat hardship once your legacy is viewed as one of very little substance.

It's better than taking many galloping steps in to the past.

Also, for recent comparisons.
Obama introduced Obamacare meaning access to healthcare for millions who didn't have it.
Initiated recovery out of the financial crash which happened just before he took over.
Bill Clinton only government to return a budget surplus in recent years.

George Bush Jnr, initiated wars which are still ongoing
Cut back on financial regulation which in part led to crash of 2008.
George Bush Snr, initiated 1st gulf war
Ronald Raegan, introduced trickle down economics which facilitates wealth being kept in just a few individuals and corporations.
Presided over rampant CIA shenanigans.
Removed the Fairness Doctrine requiring media to be truthful and balanced.

Biden is not going to fix everything, neither is Harris or anyone else. Plenty Democrats capable on being focused on their own needs, but Republican/Conservatives are focused solely on looking in to the past and trying to limit society today to how it was then. The only reason they are relevant is that they have convinced people that the laws designed when the population of the country was about 130 times smaller than it is today should still be the benchmark for governing society.

Timberrrrrrrr · 25-02-2021 6:30pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There has been no 'State of the Union' address..

And? There is no set date for this and Biden has bigger things to fix before worrying about a speech.

Timberrrrrrrr · 25-02-2021 6:30pm

12gauge dave wrote: »

Great to have you back ðŸ™‚

I wasn't away.

Nabber · 25-02-2021 7:32pm

Shame Americans vote on identity and popularity than anything else.
A vast majority are voting based on colour (Red/Blue) rather than actual policies.

What's even more bizarre is that you accuse some one of being a racist rapist and then you are their running mate. This phenomenon works for both Reps and Dems. It's amazing.

The racial profiling by both parties and the media is also something else.
Convert parts of their politics to Ireland " Leo is on the campaign trail in Blanchardstown to get the black vote".. "Expecting great black turn out in Balbriggin"

statesaver · 25-02-2021 8:05pm

https://twitter.com/GarbyJooman3/status/1364331090849234951

Cody montana · 25-02-2021 8:22pm

statesaver wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GarbyJooman3/status/1364331090849234951

Is Donal Trump president?

No!

12gauge dave · 25-02-2021 8:23pm

statesaver wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GarbyJooman3/status/1364331090849234951

Talk about double standards.

25-02-2021 8:39pm

statesaver wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GarbyJooman3/status/1364331090849234951

Trump's policy was to deliberately remove children from their parents with no clear intent to reunite them and place them in what were sometimes inhumane facilities. Biden's policy is to put already unaccompanied children into a pleasant facility until the best outcome is decided for them. Not even close to the same thing.

Where else do you think unaccompanied children should go while the best course of action for them is decided? Just wander outside maybe?

Trump’s policy on children at the border wasn’t controversial merely because it resulted in children being held at the border, which is a long-standing reality and is what will happen at this facility. It was controversial because it forced children to be separated from their parents given its hard-line policy requiring that the parents be held and not released into the country (and given that children couldn’t be held with their parents). This, in effect, made for more children (often very young) that needed to be held alone — about 3,000 in total — beyond the unaccompanied minors (who are often older) who arrive...

It was also controversial in large part because of some of the conditions in which many of the children were then held: often in large groups behind chain-link fences at Border Patrol stations.

Whether you called those “cages” or “chain-link partitions” or anything else, though, that’s not the situation at the border facility the Biden administration is reactivating. Carrizo has many more facilities for those staying there — to the point where it costs $775 per day per child. Nor is the administration forcing these children to be separated from their parents. Whatever one thinks about how these children are handled once they’re taken into custody — and there are valid debates about both the speed and efficacy of that process — it bears little resemblance to what happened under Trump. They are not being held behind chain-link fences at a Border Patrol station because of a policy that requires them to be separated from their parents.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/02/23/no-bidens-new-border-move-isnt-like-trumps-kids-cages-not-hardly/

Cody montana · 25-02-2021 9:11pm

extra gravy wrote: »

Trumpsters couldn't give a toss about the children. It's all about getting a dig in on Biden while pretending they're outraged. Pathetic as usual.

Yeah, posting someone’s tweet really is the height of a winning debate.
I can sense they’re getting desperate.

Biden should praise white supremacists for the laugh.

12gauge dave · 25-02-2021 9:16pm

extra gravy wrote: »

Trumpsters couldn't give a toss about the children. It's all about getting a dig in on Biden while pretending they're outraged. Pathetic as usual.

What's with all the name calling and derogatory terms?

Can you not be civil?

25-02-2021 9:19pm

12gauge dave wrote: »

What's with all the name calling and derogatory terms?

Can you not be civil?

How about you reply to my post and explain how it's not double standards as you claim? Then you can prove to us that your claim is not pathetic.

12gauge dave · 25-02-2021 9:22pm

His softer touch hasn't been missed by his southern neighbours.

I hope he builds these hotels tall and wide.
Maybe he should ask Donald for some hotelier tips.

U.S. authorities made nearly 78,000 arrests and detentions along the border with Mexico in January — the highest number for that month in at least a decade and more than double the amount from a year earlier — a sign of the immediate challenge President Biden will face as he attempts to undo the policies of former president Donald Trump.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/border-arrests-increased-in-january/2021/02/10/8604f714-6bc0-11eb-9f80-3d7646ce1bc0_story.html%3foutputType=amp

eagle eye · 25-02-2021 9:25pm

12gauge dave wrote:

U.S. authorities made nearly 78,000 arrests and detentions along the border with Mexico in January â€” the highest number for that month in at least a decade and more than double the amount from a year earlier â€” a sign of the immediate challenge President Biden will face as he attempts to undo the policies of former president Donald Trump.

Have we the dates of these arrests? Like how many made before 20th January when Biden took office?

12gauge dave · 25-02-2021 9:31pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Have we the dates of these arrests? Like how many made before 20th January when Biden took office?

Now who's being pathetic.

If you want more children in camps then Biden is your man.

Where is the common sense gone?

25-02-2021 9:32pm

12gauge dave wrote: »

Now who's being pathetic.

If you want more children in camps then Biden is your man.

Where is the common sense gone?

I have literally demonstrated to you that that is not true. I'm glad to know that you still haven't changed and are still ignoring what you don't want to hear.

eagle eye · 25-02-2021 9:37pm

12gauge dave wrote:

Now who's being pathetic.

How am.i being pathetic, Biden was only in office for eleven days if that month. That's a fact, if the majority of those arrests happened before he took office then they had nothing to do with him.

Carfacemandog · 25-02-2021 10:11pm

eagle eye wrote: »

How am.i being pathetic, Biden was only in office for eleven days if that month. That's a fact, if the majority of those arrests happened before he took office then they had nothing to do with him.

You're "being pathetic" because you're pointing out the very obvious flaw in their agenda and it clearly seems to have upset them.

Carfacemandog · 25-02-2021 10:15pm

Cody montana wrote: »

Yeah, posting someone’s tweet really is the height of a winning debate.
I can sense they’re getting desperate.

Biden should praise white supremacists for the laugh.

They're boy who cried wolfing themselves. I'm sure there will be plenty to criticise over the course of Biden's presidency, there always is with US presidents.

The thing is, when they are so blatantly obvious in their constant feigning of concern and worry, it means that when legitimate things do pop up not many outside of their little circle jerk is going to take them seriously.

TomSweeney · 25-02-2021 10:19pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And? There is no set date for this and Biden has bigger things to fix before worrying about a speech.

!!!

Biden has things to fix !!

That jabbering senile demented moron is doing nothing, they roll him out every so often to give a speech where he blunders and stammers ....

Kamala and all are "fixing" things in the background ..

Necro · 25-02-2021 10:21pm

TomSweeney wrote: »

!!!

Biden has things to fix !!

That jabbering senile demented moron is doing nothing, they roll him out every so often to give a speech where he blunders and stammers ....

Kamala and all are "fixing" things in the background ..

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Water John · 25-02-2021 10:33pm

TMK a new POTUS doesn't deliver a 'State of The Union' address.

extra gravy · 25-02-2021 10:34pm

12gauge dave wrote: »

What's with all the name calling and derogatory terms?

Can you not be civil?

Calling something out as pathetic is perfectly civil, it's called criticism. Why did you thank Tom's post above, not a very civil post was it? Or was that okay because he was calling Biden names?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 25-02-2021 10:51pm

newhouse87 wrote: »

It was in the post, everlast to be fair said he deserves criticism when its warranted, some on here take any criticism of him as a personal insult.

So it was just tit-for-tat confirmation bias. Hardly adds anything to the thread.

extra gravy · 25-02-2021 10:57pm

https://twitter.com/HRC/status/1365052361639669765?s=19

Not sure that three Republican votes qualifies as "bipartisan support" but anyway, another good day for the administration.

everlast75 · 25-02-2021 11:19pm

This... i am righteously pi$$ed off about this...

https://twitter.com/BrianKarem/status/1365059080839127046?s=19

Quantum Baloney · 25-02-2021 11:21pm

They started locking children up under Obama, when Biden was VP, so of course as president he's gonna sit twiddling his fingers. The Democrats built the cages in the first place.

extra gravy · 25-02-2021 11:30pm

everlast75 wrote: »

This... i am righteously pi$$ed off about this...

https://twitter.com/BrianKarem/status/1365059080839127046?s=19

Possibly waiting for the report to be released first?

Water John · 25-02-2021 11:57pm

extra gravy wrote: »

Possibly waiting for the report to be released first?

That looks like the strategy. This call was with the King. Clears the way for the Report to be published.

everlast75 · 26-02-2021 12:32am

extra gravy wrote: »

Possibly waiting for the report to be released first?

Hope so

everlast75 · 26-02-2021 12:32am

Quantum Baloney wrote: »

They started locking children up under Obama, when Biden was VP, so of course as president he's gonna sit twiddling his fingers. The Democrats built the cages in the first place.

You literally haven't a clue what you are talking about

astrofool · 26-02-2021 12:49am

Quantum Baloney wrote: »

They started locking children up under Obama, when Biden was VP, so of course as president he's gonna sit twiddling his fingers. The Democrats built the cages in the first place.

Did you agree with the previous administration purposely separating children and parents on purpose?

12gauge dave · 26-02-2021 1:27am

everlast75 wrote: »

You literally haven't a clue what you are talking about

He knows more than you it seems.

Trump:
“They did it. We changed the policy and they built the cages. We did not build the cages.” Did the Obama administration build the cages?

Fact check:

The Obama administration did build the cages Trump alluded to. The facility Trump mentioned was built with chain-link fencing by the Obama administration in 2014 in a warehouse in Nogales, Ariz. The makeshift shelter was built in response to an exodus of unaccompanied immigrant children from Central America.

Did the Obama administration separate families at the southern U.S. border?

Fact check:

Yes, U.S. border officials did separate children from their parents on occasion, but it was not as widespread or systematic as it became under the Trump administration, particularly during its “zero-tolerance policy,” which was meant to deter migrants from seeking refuge in the U.S.

astrofool · 26-02-2021 1:35am

Dave, do you agree with trumps policy of separating children from their parents on purpose, as a means to deter immigration?

Why don't donny supporters ever answer that question? Are they afraid of it?

Danno · 26-02-2021 1:39am

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-military/2021/02/26/biden-orders-us-airstrike-against-iran-backed-militia-target-in-eastern-syria/

Biden is a bombin

Curse These Metal Hands · 26-02-2021 1:39am

everlast75 wrote: »

You literally haven't a clue what you are talking about

Is it not widely accepted as fact? Genuine question. I was always under the impression that cages came in under Obama but Trump used them in an even more inhumane fashion.

Timberrrrrrrr · 26-02-2021 1:48am

12gauge dave wrote: »

He knows more than you it seems.

Trump:
“They did it. We changed the policy and they built the cages. We did not build the cages.” Did the Obama administration build the cages?

Fact check:

The Obama administration did build the cages Trump alluded to. The facility Trump mentioned was built with chain-link fencing by the Obama administration in 2014 in a warehouse in Nogales, Ariz. The makeshift shelter was built in response to an exodus of unaccompanied immigrant children from Central America.

Did the Obama administration separate families at the southern U.S. border?

Fact check:

Yes, U.S. border officials did separate children from their parents on occasion, but it was not as widespread or systematic as it became under the Trump administration, particularly during its “zero-tolerance policy,” which was meant to deter migrants from seeking refuge in the U.S.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/04/trump-administration-family-separation-immigrants-joe-biden

Righting the wrongs of Trump’s globally condemned separations policy is one of the most urgent and challenging tasks that lies ahead for the incoming administration. Civil rights groups that have been fighting for years to reunite thousands of families are now pushing for a bold and speedy response from Joe Biden – one that reunifies victims, grants them protection in the US, and provides restitution.

“We tortured these families, we took their children,” said Carol Anne Donohoe, the managing attorney with Al Otro Lado, a group that has been working to reunite deported parents with their children. “Some parents and children haven’t seen each other in over three years. It’s an abomination, and we need immediate action … and accountability to ensure this never happens again.”

extra gravy · 26-02-2021 1:48am

Danno wrote: »

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-military/2021/02/26/biden-orders-us-airstrike-against-iran-backed-militia-target-in-eastern-syria/

Biden is a bombin

Following 3 separate rocket attacks against U.S. Forces. Looks like a proportionate response.

Curse These Metal Hands · 26-02-2021 2:01am

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/04/trump-administration-family-separation-immigrants-joe-biden

But Obama did put the cages there no? That's what that poster was responding to. Don't think there's much doubt Trump used them more inhumanely.

12gauge dave · 26-02-2021 2:03am

Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »

But Obama did put the cages there no? That's what that poster was responding to. Don't think there's much doubt Trump used them more inhumanely.

Yes that is fact 100% case closed

Trump:
“They did it. We changed the policy and they built the cages. We did not build the cages.” Did the Obama administration build the cages?

Fact check:

The Obama administration did build the cages Trump alluded to. The facility Trump mentioned was built with chain-link fencing by the Obama administration in 2014 in a warehouse in Nogales, Ariz. The makeshift shelter was built in response to an exodus of unaccompanied immigrant children from Central America.

poisonated · 26-02-2021 2:08am

12gauge dave wrote: »

Yes that is fact 100% case closed

Trump:
“They did it. We changed the policy and they built the cages. We did not build the cages.” Did the Obama administration build the cages?

Fact check:

The Obama administration did build the cages Trump alluded to. The facility Trump mentioned was built with chain-link fencing by the Obama administration in 2014 in a warehouse in Nogales, Ariz. The makeshift shelter was built in response to an exodus of unaccompanied immigrant children from Central America.

It would be super swell if you could answer astrofool’s question as I am interested in your response too. Thanks.

12gauge dave · 26-02-2021 2:18am

poisonated wrote: »

It would be super swell if you could answer astrofool’s question as I am interested in your response too. Thanks.

Sure, this video sums it up fairly well.

https://youtu.be/2HRKjwEVb2o

Biafranlivemat · 26-02-2021 3:03am

Danno wrote: »

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-military/2021/02/26/biden-orders-us-airstrike-against-iran-backed-militia-target-in-eastern-syria/

Biden is a bombin

A month in office and the bombing has started.

Not surprised.

Biafranlivemat · 26-02-2021 3:09am

Democrats Ask Biden To Surrender Keys On Nuclear Launches.

I didn't know, that other Democrats had realized that Biden was that unstable. Good news.

"House Democrats have asked President Joe Biden to give other officials the authority to launch nuclear weapons, an action which he currently has sole authority to do. California Rep. Jimmy Panetta spearheaded the Monday letter, which was signed by nearly three dozen House Democrats, Politico reported. “Vesting one person with this authority entails real risks,” the letter reads. “

https://michaelsavage.com/democrats-ask-biden-to-surrender-keys-on-nuclear-launches/

Cody montana · 26-02-2021 7:59am

Biafranlivemat wrote: »

Democrats Ask Biden To Surrender Keys On Nuclear Launches.

I didn't know, that other Democrats had realized that Biden was that unstable. Good news.

"House Democrats have asked President Joe Biden to give other officials the authority to launch nuclear weapons, an action which he currently has sole authority to do. California Rep. Jimmy Panetta spearheaded the Monday letter, which was signed by nearly three dozen House Democrats, Politico reported. “Vesting one person with this authority entails real risks,” the letter reads. “

https://michaelsavage.com/democrats-ask-biden-to-surrender-keys-on-nuclear-launches/

Why do you think that is?

duploelabs · 26-02-2021 8:05am

12gauge dave wrote: »

Sure, this video sums it up fairly well.

https://youtu.be/2HRKjwEVb2o

A YouTube link and several unsubstantiated 'proof' posts, oh Dave you never learn do you

Tell me how · 26-02-2021 8:05am

Biafranlivemat wrote: »

Democrats Ask Biden To Surrender Keys On Nuclear Launches.

I didn't know, that other Democrats had realized that Biden was that unstable. Good news.

"House Democrats have asked President Joe Biden to give other officials the authority to launch nuclear weapons, an action which he currently has sole authority to do. California Rep. Jimmy Panetta spearheaded the Monday letter, which was signed by nearly three dozen House Democrats, Politico reported. “Vesting one person with this authority entails real risks,” the letter reads. “

https://michaelsavage.com/democrats-ask-biden-to-surrender-keys-on-nuclear-launches/

Is that what you think happened?

salmocab · 26-02-2021 8:33am

Tell me how wrote: »

Is that what you think happened?

It’s almost like the poster doesn’t understand what they posted.

12gauge dave · 26-02-2021 9:11am

duploelabs wrote: »

A YouTube link and several unsubstantiated 'proof' posts, oh Dave you never learn do you

The proof is the pudding me ole mucker 🙂

everlast75 · 26-02-2021 9:12am

This was the post I was replying to;

Quantum Baloney wrote: »

They started locking children up under Obama, when Biden was VP, so of course as president he's gonna sit twiddling his fingers. The Democrats built the cages in the first place.

This is what I said..

everlast75 wrote: »

You literally haven't a clue what you are talking about

Before replying to QB, I checked the post history to see whether the poster was posting in good faith or not. This is what I saw...

Quantum Baloney wrote: »

I think that at base level, for me to agree that this was a serious attempt at a coup, rather than just a protest that became messy, I would expect to see a lot more guns involved. Americans love their guns but I don't think that anyone who stormed the Capitol Building was seen with one. If they are armed then the whole picture is different and then you have your coup for sure. But they weren't.

Quantum Baloney wrote: »

He's right insofar as that it was actually the Democrats and not the Republicans that started all this election fraud on a massive scale baloney.

They were the ones who started stirring the pot in 2016 with false allegations about vote-switching in electronic voting machines etc.

Basically, the Democrats can't have their cake and eat it. They are just as bad as the Republicans on this. Maybe worse as they kept at it for Trump's entire term.

Quantum Baloney wrote: »

Just check what Hillary Clinton and the Democrats were saying. There was massive suspicion regarding the transparency of the voting system from their side when Donald Trump won. This whole questioning the validity of the electoral process started with underhandedness from the democrats at the start of the last cycle.

So, I looked at his post in that context. It appears the poster has a particular motive. And rather than spell it out, I posted my reply above.

Now others have chimed in, let me reply more fully.

Yes, "Obama built cages" but as usual, it dismisses

a) what was happening at the time
b) why it was happening
c) his motive for doing so
d) the effect it had
e) the other immigration policies he persisted with, such as catch and release
f) how effective the overall policy was
and, most importantly
g) how anyone who was sentient during the Trump administration has a problem with what Biden is doing yet had no issue with Trump doing far, far, far worse - deliberately, as set out by this poster.

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/04/trump-administration-family-separation-immigrants-joe-biden

This post proves that it is demonstrably false to say that Biden is going to sit "twiddling his thumbs". He has already taken action on the policies that Trump/Sessions/Miller were behind.

The difference between Trump and Biden's administration is beyond night and day.

Anyone who says otherwise is either being disingenuous or, as I said, doesn't know that they are talking about.

ohnonotgmail · 26-02-2021 9:29am

everlast75 wrote: »

Anyone who says otherwise is either being disingenuous or, as I said, doesn't know that they are talking about.

that is a false dichotomy. It is entirely possible that they are both.

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