Stage 21 Paris

breezy1985 · 21-09-2020 1:24pm

Junior wrote: »

https://twitter.com/wlrfm/status/1307929652682514434

Video from the Bennett house for the sprint.

One thing is certain after this tour and thats that ourselves and the Slovenians do celebrating very differently

dulpit · 21-09-2020 1:33pm

Do we know if Bennett is going to ride either the Vuelta or Giro?

Dodge · 21-09-2020 1:37pm

dulpit wrote: »

Do we know if Bennett is going to ride either the Vuelta or Giro?

He won’t be going to the Giro. Vuelta is a possibility. A lot will depend on how he recovers from this. Unreal amount of cycling coming up with monuments clashing with Grand Tours (that overlap) so I’d imagine he’ll be busy anyway

thebiggestjim · 21-09-2020 1:38pm

Great footage from Saint Morkov's bike coming up to the finish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEVHNpk2ZEQ&ab_channel=FloBikes

mr spuckler · 21-09-2020 1:43pm

thebiggestjim wrote: »

Great footage from Saint Morkov's bike coming up to the finish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEVHNpk2ZEQ&ab_channel=FloBikes

That's brilliant. Love Morkov's reaction too, "that was a fvcking dream"

Ceepo · 21-09-2020 1:44pm

Dodge wrote: »

He won’t be going to the Giro. Vuelta is a possibility. A lot will depend on how he recovers from this. Unreal amount of cycling coming up with monuments clashing with Grand Tours (that overlap) so I’d imagine he’ll be busy anyway

Probably wont get a chane to defend the National championships either.

mr spuckler · 21-09-2020 2:22pm

Here's the interview from Off The Ball this morning.

https://www.otbsports.com/other-sports/expectation-crippling-sam-bennett-1079121

He said he's got 3 more classics / semi-classics coming up but that there may be more to come. Said he doesn't know when he'll get home which I imagine means the nationals are out for sure.

JMcL · 21-09-2020 2:36pm

harringtonp wrote: »

LOL. I often bump into guys I've chatted to when racing and don't recognise them with normal clothes and no helmet.

I met one of the lads in the club I was in a few years back and had to do a double take - he was bald as a coot - I'd never seem him without the lid, This was after having been out for the weekend spin with him for most of the previous year

breezy1985 · 21-09-2020 2:45pm

mr spuckler wrote: »

Here's the interview from Off The Ball this morning.

https://www.otbsports.com/other-sports/expectation-crippling-sam-bennett-1079121

He said he's got 3 more classics / semi-classics coming up but that there may be more to come. Said he doesn't know when he'll get home which I imagine means the nationals are out for sure.

Ide say it would be a bumper crowd if he shows up which is both good and bad these days

Boscoirl · 21-09-2020 2:58pm

JMcL wrote: »

I met one of the lads in the club I was in a few years back and had to do a double take - he was bald as a coot - I'd never seem him without the lid, This was after having been out for the weekend spin with him for most of the previous year

i was in a shop one day waiting to be served, gave a nod to a guy that was waiting too, we were both there for about 5 min until it was his turn, when he started talking the shop assistant, i recognised his voice, turns out i had been cycling with him twice a week for the previous 4 months, just had never seen him without a helmet and sun glasses.

I cautiously asked him was his name John when he was finished at the till :pac:

Junior · 21-09-2020 3:17pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

Ide say it would be a bumper crowd if he shows up which is both good and bad these days

Nationals are been run on a closed road circuit with no spectators - from the email I got I think morning.

breezy1985 · 21-09-2020 3:35pm

Junior wrote: »

Nationals are been run on a closed road circuit with no spectators - from the email I got I think morning.

I expected the start finished to be closed but was hoping I could perch somewhere along the route

lennymc · 21-09-2020 3:43pm

Junior wrote: »

Nationals are been run on a closed road circuit with no spectators - from the email I got I think morning.

Do you know what the route is Junior?

breezy1985 · 21-09-2020 4:14pm

lennymc wrote: »

Do you know what the route is Junior?

It's on the Newcastle West cycling facebook but not easy find.

TT route is NW to Rathkeale and back and the RR starts in Knockaderry and follows a 18km loop north east of the village and back in on North west

Boscoirl · 21-09-2020 4:20pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

I expected the start finished to be closed but was hoping I could perch somewhere along the route

They are looking for volunteers to marshal.you could kill 2 birds with 1 stone.

dulpit · 21-09-2020 4:25pm

mr spuckler wrote: »

Here's the interview from Off The Ball this morning.

https://www.otbsports.com/other-sports/expectation-crippling-sam-bennett-1079121

He said he's got 3 more classics / semi-classics coming up but that there may be more to come. Said he doesn't know when he'll get home which I imagine means the nationals are out for sure.

He was on with Claire Byrne as well, he said he didn't think he'll be back for the nationals at all - the travel restrictions with Covid plus other events in Belgium/etc will get in the way.

breezy1985 · 21-09-2020 4:27pm

Boscoirl wrote: »

They are looking for volunteers to marshal.you could kill 2 birds with 1 stone.

Where can I sign up and do I need experience or accreditation. Honestly ide work the weekend of it

eeeee · 21-09-2020 4:28pm

thebiggestjim wrote: »

Great footage from Saint Morkov's bike coming up to the finish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEVHNpk2ZEQ&ab_channel=FloBikes

He's a real big gear person isn't he Sam?

I shall be using Saint Morkov from now on!

Junior · 21-09-2020 8:07pm

Where Sam grew up in Carrick

Ceepo · 21-09-2020 8:22pm

Junior wrote: »

Where Sam grew up in Carrick

Thats gas alright

Thats actually where Sams house is, not where his parents live.

lennymc · 21-09-2020 8:29pm

i thought Bennett Close was just behind Sagan view?

Junior · 21-09-2020 8:37pm

lennymc wrote: »

i thought Bennett Close was just behind Sagan view?

No, sadly Sagan View got moved.

lennymc · 21-09-2020 8:39pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

It's on the Newcastle West cycling facebook but not easy find.

TT route is NW to Rathkeale and back and the RR starts in Knockaderry and follows a 18km loop north east of the village and back in on North west

https://www.facebook.com/cyclingireland/posts/3237757779646337 - NWCC linked to Cycling Ireland details in the link above.

21-09-2020 8:53pm

Tara Fogarty on Sporza last night

https://sporza.be/nl/2020/09/20/sammy-neyrinck-bij-tara-fogerty-echtgenote-van-sam-bennett-tom~1600634213270/

mr spuckler · 22-09-2020 9:36am

red_ken wrote: »

Tara Fogarty on Sporza last night

https://sporza.be/nl/2020/09/20/sammy-neyrinck-bij-tara-fogerty-echtgenote-van-sam-bennett-tom~1600634213270/

That's absolutely lovely! Like really heartwarmingly lovely.

Mefistofelino · 22-09-2020 9:55am

mr spuckler wrote: »

That's absolutely lovely! Like really heartwarmingly lovely.

Great, wasn't it?

As an aside, the Sporza commentators and presenters always remind me of this guy-

Nice!

CMcsporty · 22-09-2020 4:19pm

thebiggestjim wrote: »

Great footage from Saint Morkov's bike coming up to the finish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEVHNpk2ZEQ&ab_channel=FloBikes

MICHAEL MØRKØV should lead out the next St. Patrick's day parade

cunavalos · 22-09-2020 4:40pm

CMcsporty wrote: »

MICHAEL MØRKØV should lead out the next St. Patrick's day parade

Andre Greipel can back off, all the praise in the world will not tempt Mørkøv to Israel Start Up Nation for 2021 although it is interesting to see the respect Morkov has within the peloton from a former top sprinter whom he never rode with (IIRC)

https://twitter.com/cycling_visual/status/1308308266791903234

Dodge · 22-09-2020 5:46pm

Top lead out men are like gold dust. Mark Renshaw was the first super quick lead out man I remember (for Cav)

But the sprinter is still the star. Sam let Markov’s wheel go on Sunday because he (rightfully) thought following Trek was the better choice

breezy1985 · 22-09-2020 6:17pm

CMcsporty wrote: »

MICHAEL MØRKØV should lead out the next St. Patrick's day parade

Thats an amazing idea.

neris · 22-09-2020 7:18pm

Shane Archibold must be feeling very lonely these days

Ceepo · 22-09-2020 8:26pm

Great response

Cetyl Palmitate · 22-09-2020 8:42pm

He was pushing a massive gear it seemed in the final sprint. Is that unusual? Seemed to be spinning slower than others in the final sprint

TRANQUILLO · 22-09-2020 8:55pm

Ceepo wrote: »

Great response

Had he no flemish or Wallonian to throw out there?

harringtonp · 22-09-2020 9:49pm

Dodge wrote: »

Top lead out men are like gold dust. Mark Renshaw was the first super quick lead out man I remember (for Cav)

But the sprinter is still the star. Sam let Markov’s wheel go on Sunday because he (rightfully) thought following Trek was the better choice

The way he was able to split Sam and Sagan in the intermediate sprints would suggest to me that if he was sprinting for himself he would be a regular top ten flat stage finisher at any level.

Guys like that need to be looked after well if a team wants to keep them

breezy1985 · 23-09-2020 9:17am

neris wrote: »

Shane Archibold must be feeling very lonely these days

He was a fine leadout but Sam is at another level now. Morkov is fantastic and hopefully DQS give him enough shots at his own wins to keep him round because as he was always very well regarded some teams will have taken notice of his high finishes in this tour

Dodge · 23-09-2020 9:37am

breezy1985 wrote: »

He was a fine leadout but Sam is at another level now. Morkov is fantastic and hopefully DQS give him enough shots at his own wins to keep him round because as he was always very well regarded some teams will have taken notice of his high finishes in this tour

Morkov knows his role. He won’t beat the top sprinters. It’s 7 years since he won a race outside of Denmark

It sounds like I’m trying to knock him and I’m really not. The top lead out men get well paid because their job is so hard to do right.

dulpit · 23-09-2020 10:08am

Dodge wrote: »

Morkov knows his role. He won’t beat the top sprinters. It’s 7 years since he won a race outside of Denmark

It sounds like I’m trying to knock him and I’m really not. The top lead out men get well paid because their job is so hard to do right.

Speaking of lead out, one thing I noticed in a video shared previously with an on board camera (possibly on Morkov?) is that there didn't seem to be any words exchanged between any of the cyclists, it was almost instinctual for all parties. Some training I guess..

check_six · 23-09-2020 10:30am

dulpit wrote: »

Speaking of lead out, one thing I noticed in a video shared previously with an on board camera (possibly on Morkov?) is that there didn't seem to be any words exchanged between any of the cyclists, it was almost instinctual for all parties. Some training I guess..

Yeah, I suppose it's pretty noisy with the wind noise already. Not easy to be heard without roaring, and even then it's going to be indistinct. Not easy roaring when you are at max effort and max focus either. Bit of training and bit of a plan seems to be the best idea!

Junior · 23-09-2020 11:07am

Dodge wrote: »

Morkov knows his role. He won’t beat the top sprinters. It’s 7 years since he won a race outside of Denmark

It sounds like I’m trying to knock him and I’m really not. The top lead out men get well paid because their job is so hard to do right.

Won a Road Race...

Macy0161 · 23-09-2020 11:08am

Morkov is 35 as well at this stage. It's not just about the sprint, it's the positioning the whole way to the final that he has to do. There's a reason he's still at DQS, while sprinters come and go. Lefevere knows his value. What's amazing about Morkov is that it doesn't seem to matter which sprinter - so often they come as a pair.

As for whether the best lead out men can do it themselves, there's a whole mental aspect to the pressure to deliver. They're no different to mountain domestiques in a way - might have the numbers to win, but can they handle being the focus? Renshaw who was mentioned above, basically went for one contract and then was back leading out Cav.

Inquitus · 23-09-2020 11:22am

Macy0161 wrote: »

Morkov is 35 as well at this stage. It's not just about the sprint, it's the positioning the whole way to the final that he has to do. There's a reason he's still at DQS, while sprinters come and go. Lefevere knows his value. What's amazing about Morkov is that it doesn't seem to matter which sprinter - so often they come as a pair.

As for whether the best lead out men can do it themselves, there's a whole mental aspect to the pressure to deliver. They're no different to mountain domestiques in a way - might have the numbers to win, but can they handle being the focus? Renshaw who was mentioned above, basically went for one contract and then was back leading out Cav.

How highly does Leferve rate Sam's achievement, as we know he is ruthless, but a genius with that ruthlessness. Sam's earnt his shot at next years tour imho, will Leferve see it the same way?

breezy1985 · 23-09-2020 11:23am

Dodge wrote: »

Morkov knows his role. He won’t beat the top sprinters. It’s 7 years since he won a race outside of Denmark

It sounds like I’m trying to knock him and I’m really not. The top lead out men get well paid because their job is so hard to do right.

I don't expect him to be given anything big the odd low ranked race if that's what he wants

Macy0161 · 23-09-2020 11:27am

Inquitus wrote: »

How highly does Leferve rate Sam's achievement, as we know he is ruthless, but a genius with that ruthlessness. Sam's earnt his shot at next years tour imho, will Leferve see it the same way?

Two year contract - don't see DQS signing anyone else. They've other sprinters, but none you could see taking the slot. I'd say if anything, he might have more hope of getting the mullet a place too.

mr spuckler · 23-09-2020 12:02pm

Inquitus wrote: »

How highly does Leferve rate Sam's achievement, as we know he is ruthless, but a genius with that ruthlessness. Sam's earnt his shot at next years tour imho, will Leferve see it the same way?

And we know he pays smaller salaries but bigger win bonuses, maybe why the team were celebrating as much as they were!

Maybe it's just optics but seeing the lead sponsor rebranding both their HQ and social media presence in response to wining green seems pretty significant. It might be that Sam is under more pressure to deliver green than stage wins next year...

After that it might be Sam's call if he prioritises winning with his dream team over a big money contract elsewhere, a la Viviani.

Dodge · 23-09-2020 12:09pm

Sam can do what he wants really. Stage wins at his last 3 grand tours and a green jersey win means every team without a genuine GC contender will want him

He proved with the Bora contract thing that he’s not afraid to back himself too

Inquitus · 23-09-2020 12:25pm

Dodge wrote: »

Sam can do what he wants really. Stage wins at his last 3 grand tours and a green jersey win means every team without a genuine GC contender will want him

He proved with the Bora contract thing that he’s not afraid to back himself too

DQS is his dream team and Tom Boonen his hero, can't see him moving tbh, success seems worth more than a minor wage bump to the guy! Plus imho you have to be mad to leave the wolfpack, very few succeed afterwards!

Panrich · 23-09-2020 12:35pm

Inquitus wrote: »

How highly does Leferve rate Sam's achievement, as we know he is ruthless, but a genius with that ruthlessness. Sam's earnt his shot at next years tour imho, will Leferve see it the same way?

Wasn't there talk of Leferve stepping down soon? I think I read somewhere that Boonen was in line to replace him.

mr spuckler · 23-09-2020 12:45pm

Panrich wrote: »

Wasn't there talk of Leferve stepping down soon? I think I read somewhere that Boonen was in line to replace him.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest-news/patrick-lefevere-looks-ahead-retirement-tom-boonen-become-successor-quick-step-443940

Macy0161 · 23-09-2020 12:46pm

Inquitus wrote: »

DQS is his dream team and Tom Boonen his hero, can't see him moving tbh, success seems worth more than a minor wage bump to the guy! Plus imho you have to be mad to leave the wolfpack, very few succeed afterwards!

I'd love to see Sam give the cobbles ago. I've been saying it a few years, certainly since some of the stuff he got over (dropping other sprinters) in that Giro.

Stage 21 Paris

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