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Will exclusion based on religion really stop?

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  • #52
    tabby aspreme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,039 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    visg wrote: »
    I would say its just very tight and preferences are still given based on religion.



    There should not be a lack of places in school.

    If a school has places, ie, is under the maximum, pupil/ teacher ratio, it is obliged to take students, if a school is over the ratio, it is not, it is not the schools fault if it is oversubscribed.
    If a school is over the ratio for September, the first month of the school year, it can apply for extra teaching staff , usually these appointments are sanctioned to begin the following September, if the school needs extra classrooms for these teachers, it can apply at the end of September also, for funding for the new buildings, our local school was granted funding 11 months after the application, and the building was finished 19 months after that, the actual build took 4 months.
    If there is a lack of places, it rarely has anything to do with admissions policies, or school management, more to do with government policy. If a developer wants to build more than 60 houses, a creche has to be part of the development, there is no similar joined up thinking with the dept of education regarding school facilities.


  • #53
    visg
    Registered Users Posts: 22 ✭visg


    I feel that this is going in circles.

    I guess that the majority likes it the way it is but admits there are issues. I have made my statement about this.

    It was good to hear other people their opinion on this. I also read information about ETB and VOL that I was not aware of.

    I will leave it here.

    Thanks to everybody participating in this discussion. Thank you for your contribution.


  • #54
    tabby aspreme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,039 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    visg wrote: »

    I think when you are not really welcome on 96% of the schools, it can be challenging.


    Good to have some numbers.

    Glad that you learned something from this thread OP, but saying that non denominational children are not really welcome in 96% of schools is rubbish, this is Ireland in 2019 not 1939


  • #55
    Lackadaisical
    Closed Accounts Posts: 518 ✭✭✭Lackadaisical


    Well they weren't welcome until 2018 when the law changed.

    You don't have to go that far back to find the darkages on this island.

    If the shoe were on the other foot, for example if 90% if English schools had been Church of England and Irish Catholics were only offered places when the local church of England students got places I suspect there'd have been uproar.


  • #56
    tabby aspreme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,039 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    Lackadaisical wrote: »
    Well they weren't welcome until 2018 when the law changed.

    You don't have to go that far back to find the darkages on this island.

    If the shoe were on the other foot, for example if 90% if English schools had been Church of England and Irish Catholics were only offered places when the local church of England students got places I suspect there'd have been uproar.

    The change in legislation has nothing to do with the welcome, CoI students were always welcome in our local Catholic school, so much so, that the local CoI school closed about 8 years ago, as the parents preferred to send the children to the Catholic school.


  • #57
    The Bishop Basher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭The Bishop Basher


    tabby aspreme wrote: »
    CoI students were always welcome in our local Catholic school

    I think the problem is the other way round.
    salmocab wrote: »
    I don’t understand your point, firstly catholic schools if they have a place will certainly take you as will Protestant schools (we are trying a Protestant one locally that definitely has Catholics attending).

    Good to hear that the schools in your area haven’t slipped back into the dark ages like they have around here in Greystones where the local CoI primary school not only excludes non protestants but made many of them feel distinctly unwelcome.

    The BoM even went as far as turning down an extra teacher (which was unprecedented according to the department) but by keeping the school small they could legally keep it protestant.

    They didn’t count on driving their own flock away though..

    Their policy is now seriously backfiring as significant numbers of CoI parents are turning down places solely due to the ill feeling and anger around the sectarian policy. After all, who wants their child educated in that kind of environment?

    The BoM have long since lost the support of the majority of existing parents and staff but have managed to silence them for now.

    Money talks in the end though. 2 years ago only 6% of admissions to this school were non parish affiliated yet now they’re quite literally offering places to anyone with a few quid and I hear yet more begging letters are to be sent out to the remaining parishioners in the coming weeks but they can only carry the can for so long.

    People ultimately vote with their feet and thankfully the majority won’t accept sectarianism any more, especially where they have other school options available to them.


  • #58
    byhookorbycrook
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,505 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    I think the OP's question has been answered. If people wish to start a separate thread on minority religions, please do.


  • #59
    downthemiddle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,141 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    visg wrote: »
    And what would be your view on:


    Some expat works for a US company and just moved to a commuting town of Dublin. I know that some might advise to go back to your own country:) but lets be honest, a large part of the economy are foreign firms that attract expats.



    - educate together is unfortunately not possible due to the waiting list
    - Catholic schools are not eager to take you because you are not catholic. Some still have the policy, and some did follow the law but have multiple other factors in the admission policy.

    - As mentioned the protestant schools will not take you as well.



    Where can you go? Maybe after being bounced around you finally find a place at the other side of town. When it is April, there is a very high chance you actually need to wait till the next semester before you can join. I just do not understand why it is not common sense to have a place at school.

    No school, Educate Together or otherwise, is allowed a waiting list for anything other than the current school year. If an ET school is still operating a first come first served enrolment policy they too are breaking the law.


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