Pilot training

milhous · 17-05-2019 9:05pm

California Dreamer wrote: »

And its so good that every flight school in europe is doing it as well.......oh wait!? :rolleyes:

Hmm?

Anyway, it's NFC for me. I'm only an hour away, going to do modular ppl and atpl. Then see what I'll do and where I'll do it from there.

smurfjed · 19-05-2019 7:11am

Just an idea.....

The aim of the Cadet Pilot Training program is to provide Etihad Airways with qualified future pilots and aviation professionals trained according to the highest international standards to support the growth of the airline. The Trainee will be developed into a well-rounded individual, equipped with a superior set of technical, personal and professional skills. The Training will consist of flying and theoretical knowledge to the standard required for the Cadet to successfully pass GCAA approved examinations for obtaining a Multi Crew Pilot License (MPL)

There is nothing in the advertisement to say that it's nationality based.

Irish Steve · 19-05-2019 9:10am

I may upset a few people here, the "new" multi crew pilot licence is an accountant's way to reduce the cost of getting crew into a commercial aircraft, in as much as it is the only commercial licence that has restrictions on it, you will be unable to hire and fly a light aircraft on that licence, it is only valid for flying as part of a crew, and it is so much focussed on commercial operation that it does not cover smaller aircraft, and in some cases it does not include a (for me) fundamental aspect of flying training, flying solo in a small aircraft to gain experience of having to make decisions about the conduct of a flight, which (for me) is a significant degradation of the overall skill set that is essential to being able to fly any aircraft.

blanchwill · 14-06-2019 10:07pm

How are you getting on with this milhous? I took an introductory flight with nfc last week. Probably going to go the modular route with them

1123heavy · 14-06-2019 10:20pm

blanchwill wrote: »

How are you getting on with this milhous? I took an introductory flight with nfc last week. Probably going to go the modular route with them

At 217EU/HR it's a flying disgrace

jack_frost_09 · 14-06-2019 11:57pm

blanchwill wrote: »

How are you getting on with this milhous? I took an introductory flight with nfc last week. Probably going to go the modular route with them

Interested to know too as weighing up a potential career change by doing modular ppl followed by aptl...

milhous · 15-06-2019 12:14am

I've decided that I will put this dream to one side for a few years and go for FTE Jerez, costs a fair bit more than Ireland because you're pretty much a border but I think its for me.
Edit: I talked to
three pilots and they recommended going here, they ended up with aerlingus

b757 · 15-06-2019 1:14am

milhous wrote: »

I've decided that I will put this dream to one side for a few years and go for FTE Jerez, costs a fair bit more than Ireland because you're pretty much a border but I think its for me.
Edit: I talked to
three pilots and they recommended going here, they ended up with aerlingus

No offence, but what a load of crap.

Basing the fact that 3 people who went to FTE got Aer Lingus, shouldn't be a reason for you to go there.

Did you talk to two of the people who went to NFC and numerous others who got EI too? I take it you didn't. I'd recommend doing a bit more research rather than shelving the idea of postponing because 3 EI "gods" recommended a holiday in Spain.

Best of luck....

California Dreamer · 15-06-2019 9:24am

Go to FTE and you will spend the first 6 months in the classroom without so much as getting a sniff of AvGas!!!

NFC will have you flying in week 1!

1123heavy · 15-06-2019 12:19pm

People in Aer Lingus at the moment have come from all different backgrounds and schools, the known and the unknown, the pretty and the ugly.

Pick the school that best suits your current requirements and needs. I've no doubt fte are a good school, but regarding value for money ... they are horrendously overpriced and having done the whole training i am very grateful i didn't go to a place like FTE because i would have been ripped off totally. Flight training does not cost anything near 100,000eu and anyone charging you that much is making a heavy profit out of you.

And anyway what about all the guys who went to FTE and never found jobs anyway? If one is to follow the stories of those who got into EI then we should also consider the stories of those who got in nowhere, of which there are more than a few.

Also budget for the fact if EI don't take you, your other option is going to be easyJet ... will you have 35k for the type rating after the 117k spent on training?

I did mine for 60,000eu and ended up with the same license at the end and from going to assessments i am satisfied that my school trained me to a standard that is more than competitive. Regarding standard though, your school obviously matters, but not as much as you in my opinion.

There are people who went to top famous schools and have a skillset that is less than satisfactory and those who went to "poorer" schools and came out with a skillset that is of a very high caliber. The same way you can find excellent instructors at bad schools and bad instructors at excellent schools.

It is a very thorough topic that requires a lot more analysis than meets the eye if you want to go the whole way into "these are a good school they will get me into aer lingus". It doesn't quite work as simple as you'd like to imagine.

California Dreamer · 15-06-2019 1:04pm

The fatal error that so many people make is they have their hearts set on one company.

When you finish training and are the guts of 100k in the hole you apply EVERYWHERE!!!!

You may end up as a new FO in Aer Lingus, but you may end up do night mail flights in a Saab 340, and it also may take you a year to get that first job!!!

basill · 15-06-2019 1:16pm

Becoming a pilot is a process of self selection. We have no clue as to the ability and aptitude of the OP. There are any number of online tests that they could undertake that may give them some idea if they possess some of the key criteria that the airlines are looking at and will be required to pass the flying training. GAPAN used to run courses and have an exam. Some of the integrated providers have entrance exams in order to try and ensure the “product” is not diluted. There is no shortage of wannabes so the big schools can and do pick and choose who gets in.

FTE is the go to school for EI at the moment. Oxford has also been a good breeding ground in the past. Same for BA, Easy, Flybe and a number of other airlines. Some self sponsored Jerez students have been in the right place at the right time and were referred to EI. Others were good networkers and had the smarts to get to know the EI liaison staff that visit Jerez from time to time to check up on the cadets. Others were deemed suitable by the Jerez instructors and phone calls made.

I have zero idea if NFC has any relationship with EI. The relative success of students in gaining employment is something I would be asking all the schools the OP is considering. Sometimes it’s published online on “where are they now”/Alumni pages. Ultimately a lot comes down to timing when you complete your training. Of course you still have to pass the entrance tests/interviews/cognitives etc. Better to find out sooner rather than later that you are not cut out for this battery of tests now in my opinion than having spent the cost of the training.

SierraLima · 18-06-2019 9:31am

1123heavy wrote: »

People in Aer Lingus at the moment have come from all different backgrounds and schools, the known and the unknown, the pretty and the ugly.

Pick the school that best suits your current requirements and needs. I've no doubt fte are a good school, but regarding value for money ... they are horrendously overpriced and having done the whole training i am very grateful i didn't go to a place like FTE because i would have been ripped off totally. Flight training does not cost anything near 100,000eu and anyone charging you that much is making a heavy profit out of you.

And anyway what about all the guys who went to FTE and never found jobs anyway? If one is to follow the stories of those who got into EI then we should also consider the stories of those who got in nowhere, of which there are more than a few.

Also budget for the fact if EI don't take you, your other option is going to be easyJet ... will you have 35k for the type rating after the 117k spent on training?

I did mine for 60,000eu and ended up with the same license at the end and from going to assessments i am satisfied that my school trained me to a standard that is more than competitive. Regarding standard though, your school obviously matters, but not as much as you in my opinion.

There are people who went to top famous schools and have a skillset that is less than satisfactory and those who went to "poorer" schools and came out with a skillset that is of a very high caliber. The same way you can find excellent instructors at bad schools and bad instructors at excellent schools.

It is a very thorough topic that requires a lot more analysis than meets the eye if you want to go the whole way into "these are a good school they will get me into aer lingus". It doesn't quite work as simple as you'd like to imagine.

Hi,
If you don’t mind me asking, did you complete your training via integrated or modular route? Also, what ATO(s) did you chose to compelete your training?
Currently in 3rd year of my degree in DCU and looking to begin training in a year or so, with cost and quality being my priority!
Thanks

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