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15-05-2019, 14:06   #1
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Housing Crisis and Immigration?

I see that theres another thread about the primetime episode last night on immigration, but I have my own specific experience/slant on it.

Heres the episode on RTE player https://www.rte.ie/player/series/pri...id=IH000368194

Looking at the map they created for immigration numbers in Dublin was staggering. Actually hard to believe. Lots of areas where irish people are in the severe minority, with Dorset street in particular being only 7% irish.

A few weeks ago a family member, a student, had three college mates turn up at the door late at night. Individually they had to leave their own accommodation because of the costs, and collectively they came up with the plan to "stay in the living room" of the family member. And if this last ditch plan didn't work out they would have to split back home to various parts of the country.

Of course the family member wasn't on for it at all, because there was no plan, it was all indefinite. Desperate stuff, especially coming close to exams.

So...

Besides that little anecdote (amongst many!), and then the non-stop reminders of the housing crisis (especially Dublin)….how can anyone not link the subject of that primetime episode and the housing crisis together?

It seems almost extraordinary that immigration is never linked to the housing crisis. But numbers are numbers, or at least they used to be!

It feels like people are losing/have lost their minds. When did the obvious become so invisible? Is it just taboo in the extreme?

I know there are many factors involved in the housing crisis, but my interpretation is that there is no bigger, glaring factor than the massive influx of people into Ireland/Dublin.

Is there a bigger contributing factor to the housing crisis? Some would say there aren't enough houses being built, but whats the point if they will only be filled up immediately? Id be interested in hearing peoples opinions on this.
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The housing crisis is because we didn't build anything for nearly a decade.

The other problem is that people looking for a council house only want to live next door to Mammy when people buying homes have to make do without Mammy.

The rental crisis is because of government interference diving accidental and small landlords out by a biased legislation and RTB.

I migration is a miniscule problem. There is hundreds of thousands of empty houses in the county.
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In order to practice political correctness, certain truths must die

Beit preaching about the housing shortage while completely ignoring the large influx of immigrants or discussing " Me Too" issues while ignoring the fact that minorities are over represented when it comes to assault cases

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To clarify, I said "whats the point of building more houses if they'll be filled up immediately?"

What I meant was there is little point in building more housing when you have an infinite amount of people ready to fill them up. Building towards a sustainable number is fine. But it seems to me like there is no sustainability in mind here.

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The housing crisis is because we didn't build anything for nearly a decade.

The other problem is that people looking for a council house only want to live next door to Mammy when people buying homes have to make do without Mammy.

The rental crisis is because of government interference diving accidental and small landlords out by a biased legislation and RTB.

I migration is a miniscule problem. There is hundreds of thousands of empty houses in the county.
Im aware of these other factors, but taking the extreme case of dorset street for example, 7% being irish is far more important a factor than anything you listed above, in my opinion.

And don't forget that (as mentioned in the episode), there are rapidly growing numbers of non-irish on those housing lists too. There was one guy talking about a new development of social housing of 80 units, and how he believes there should be a priority for irish people.

Edit: Your point about empty housing is a good one. I was reading an article in the independent yesterday and I learned of a new term, "cuckoo" funds/investors. People were complaining (rightly) about outsiders buying property with no intention of living there, or even in the country. It doesn't explain all of the empty housing, of course, but I'd guess its a sizeable chunk. Besides that, if they are empty with lots of immigration, then they would presumably be empty with no immigration too...in other words its a negligible point.

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To clarify, I said "whats the point of building more houses if they'll be filled up immediately?"

What I meant was there is little point in building more housing when you have an infinite amount of people ready to fill them up. Building towards a sustainable number is fine. But it seems to me like there is sustainability in mind here.
We should all live at the side of the road, but we would run out of road eventually. What do you suggest mass murder? We have bogs for disposal.

Building Social housing is cheaper for the tax payer than buying at market rates to use as social housing. It's how private developers make money.
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I thought it was Parnell that was only 7% white-irish - anyway, doesn't matter.
As I said in the other thread - that could mean its 90% Polish in that area - I think most people automatically assume the area is 93% African when they hear that stat first.

We need to do a couple of things:
- we need to build Up and not out
- we need to get a grip on REITs, Cuckoo Funds and Shadow Banks (David McWilliams talks about these on his new Podcast - worth a listen)
- we need to tax the hole off of land horders and those holding derelict sites
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We should all live at the side of the road, but we would run out of road eventually. What do you suggest mass murder? We have bogs for disposal.
Youre completely missing my point, even after I thought I had clarified it.

If theres no limit on the number of people, then there is no point in building houses. The housing crisis would be/is indefinite.

You have to draw a line towards sustainability.

Theres one house shared between two family's. Its less than ideal and causes problems. Solution = build another house. That's fine.

The real problem is that you build another house only to have another two family's show up. You haven't solved anything
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RTE reported on this last month
https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0401/10...ouncil-report/

Think it was mentioned once on a previous thread here, but that thread was quickly closed and comment removed.
Don't mention the 21% factor whatever you do!
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Is it 100,000 houses we have vacant in Ireland. And as was said no social housing built for 10 years. So to me it's blatantly obvious terrible government policies have led to the lack of affordable housing for people. So my anger would be directed at the government, not immigrants.
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Its the elephant in the room nobody wants to talk about because you would be branded a racist or far right. Year to April 2018 immigration counted for 50% increase in our population compared to year to April 2017.

UK got sick of it, we will eventually....
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There's a lovely Brazillian lady in work who cleans our toilets. Her English is improving every day.

My boss is Puerto Rican.

I was just handed my lunch by the canteen chef who likes to practice Irish phrases on everybody who visits the canteen. His daughter started learning Irish in school, so he's learning it to help her with homework. He's from Cameroon.

I'd rather have these 3 people as neighbours than Deco, Jacinta and their ever growing brood of ill behaved, future criminal children.

If we're dividing up the population based on arbitrary categories like whether or not they are scumbags, or whether they were born in a different country before deciding if they should be our neighbour, then I'm all for it!

Do you play tennis OP? I think anybody who plays tennis should be evicted, made homeless and kicked out of the country.

Am I doing this right?
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I thought it was Parnell that was only 7% white-irish - anyway, doesn't matter.
As I said in the other thread - that could mean its 90% Polish in that area - I think most people automatically assume the area is 93% African when they hear that stat first.

We need to do a couple of things:
- we need to build Up and not out
- we need to get a grip on REITs, Cuckoo Funds and Shadow Banks (David McWilliams talks about these on his new Podcast - worth a listen)
- we need to tax the hole off of land horders and those holding derelict sites
Well, whether theyre polish or Nigerian or American doesn't matter. We have a relatively tiny population, and most other countries in the world dwarf us. As long as these immigration numbers keep up (and it appears to be increasing quite rapidly), we're at nothing building anything. We cant house our own as it is.

I agree about the other points, but I'm still thinking that these are less important compared to the immigration factor.

There was a radio program a while ago talking with REIT funds from abroad. They generally consider 40 apartments a minimum investment. That prices out Irish people generally speaking, especially on new-build apartments. Then the massive competition for renting is severely exacerbated by immigration numbers...all money goes to the REITs. The whole thing is bonkers. Building more is not going to solve anything.
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https://www.thejournal.ie/social-hou...07803-May2019/

There is no housing crisis, just an entitlement crisis.
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There's a lovely Brazillian lady in work who cleans our toilets. Her English is improving every day.

My boss is Puerto Rican.

I was just handed my lunch by the canteen chef who likes to practice Irish phrases on everybody who visits the canteen. His daughter started learning Irish in school, so he's learning it to help her with homework. He's from Cameroon.

I'd rather have these 3 people as neighbours than Deco, Jacinta and their ever growing brood of ill behaved, future criminal children.

If we're dividing up the population based on arbitrary categories like whether or not they are scumbags, or whether they were born in a different country before deciding if they should be our neighbour, then I'm all for it!

Do you play tennis OP? I think anybody who plays tennis should be evicted, made homeless and kicked out of the country.

Am I doing this right?
The point you may be missing is that Deco, Jacinta and their ever growing brood is in ADDITION to Miguel, Ivanka and THEIR ever growing brood.

And as someone else mentioned in another thread, the family reunification thing has an average of 20 people being petitioned to join each individual. And in one case 70. Deco and Jacinta may have plenty of time in the sack, but they aren't going to add 20+ people to the country in the space of a couple years

Its numbers, nothing more.

Also, I'd like to point out the obvious, that there is nothing "arbitrary" about distinguishing people from different parts of the planet in relation to a specific, localised problem. You seem to have no problem doing it yourself.

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