[TheDiceMan2020]

Originally Posted by fryup

i think its great to see people from other races living here, its about time irish discovered there more than just white people living in this world (and other religions as well)

Pretty insulting attitude to have about your own countrymen.

[Kivaro]

Originally Posted by John DoeReMi

Surely most Sinn Fein voters would be anti-immigration at least if not outright racist? The kind of knuckle dragger who votes for SF isn't going to be out celebrating Africa Day in the Iveagh Gardens.

You would expect the inward migration policy of Sinn Fein to somewhat reflect their nationalist ethos.
However, the official policy of Sinn Fein (found on their web site) is that there should be no limit to the amount of asylum seekers that we take in.
Think about that for a moment.

Everyone, and I mean everyone, knows that the overwhelming majority of asylum seekers in Ireland are economic migrants. But Sinn Fein wants us to take in every single asylum seekers from every corner of the planet ..... without any limit.

They also want the country to give amnesty to failed asylum seekers and not deport them. Think about that also. A failed asylum seekers who resorts to criminality should be rewarded with amnesty according to Sinn Fein.

I actually believe that this is one of the main reasons why Sinn Fein are doing badly in recent polls; their voter-base is finding out about these ludicrous polices.

[paleoperson]

Originally Posted by TheDiceMan2020

Pretty insulting attitude to have about your own countrymen.

I'll say. Patronizing race-baiting ****e all while taking a high horse.

[Patty Hearst]

Originally Posted by A Tyrant Named Miltiades!

You didn't provide a link, why don't you do your own research?

I'm just showing you what the Department has published. The average numbers of family members reunited with their loved ones is 2 - 3.

The Irish Minister of State for Equality, Immigration and Integration David Stanton speaking in the Dáil said that before the old Family Reunification program for refugees was altered, one refugee had applied to bring in 70 of their family members.

The average number per application was 20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTMOgUwYKxI

1:05
"In July the Govt informed the house that the average number of family members applied for family reunification provision of the refugee act was 20 and the largest application was for over 70 family members"

[Topgear on Dave]

This came to my attention this morning.

http://www.courts.ie/Judgments.nsf/0...b?OpenDocument

Ms Chen is a national of China. She came to Ireland on 14.11.2013 on a 90-day ‘C’ visa and remains here today. On 19.02.2014, she applied, by reference to s.4(7) of the Immigration Act 2004, to stay in Ireland on a long-term basis. That application failed. Ms Chen then commenced these proceedings.

Is this normal?

Arrive on a holiday visa and almost immediately look for long term residence?

Get denied and 6 years later the case is still clogging up the courts! Shes not going home ever.

[A Tyrant Named Miltiades!]

Originally Posted by Patty Hearst

The Irish Minister of State for Equality, Immigration and Integration David Stanton speaking in the Dáil said that before the old Family Reunification program for refugees was altered, one refugee had applied to bring in 70 of their family members.

The average number per application was 20

I think the reason for the discrepancy is that, on occasion, people may apply to be reunited with family members in circumstances where (a) the Applicant, or (b) the Family Member is prima facie ineligible. An example would be a refugee applying to be ruunited with a cousin, or a sibling and that sibling's family. That will be rejected out of hand, and does not form part of the statistics.

The staistics I have just shown you only include cases where both the Applicant and the Family member had advanced a valid application, in accordance with the International Protection Act (which application may, nevertheless, be declined).

I'm sorry to disappoint you, but the average number of family members for which there are valid applications is 2-3 per annum, and has been so since at least 2012.

You'll have to find something else to get worked-up about. Or just, you know, chill out a bit.

[rusty cole]

Originally Posted by paleoperson

I'll say. Patronizing race-baiting ****e all while taking a high horse.

I agree 100% paleoperson but the clue is in the grammer, this is obviously not an irish person by birth who posted that shyte…

"its about time irish discovered there more than just white people"... QED

[DelaneyIn]

What annoys me about the immigration debate is that the people in favour of mass immigration like to pretend they are morally superior to those of us who are not. When you look into it, the people most in favour of mass unfettered immigration are politicians, landlords, and property developers who want to drive up rents and property prices, and also employers who want to drive down wages.


These people are in favour of mass immigration for entirely selfish reasons and are happy to cram 15 immigrants into a damp 3 bedroom house and when they become ill in winter they can't afford the €60 to visit a GP. There is nothing moral about supporting this.


Then you have all the professional activists from immigration quangos and brainwashed leftists who are ideologically committed to open borders and bringing in as many third worlders as possible. These people talk incessantly of how awful Direct Provision is (it's actually full board accommodation in a hotel plus free lawyers, doctors, dentists, clothes etc) while having nothing to say about the Irish homeless. The left wing journalists/activists will always write and broadcast propaganda in favour of open borders and tell the rest of us there's nothing to fear because there's a Muslim in Mayo who plays GAA or because there's an African girl in Blanchardstown who can say a poem in Irish. Of course any misbehaviour or crimes committed by third worlders must always be downplayed, and the crisis in housing must never be linked to mass immigration in case the ordinary Irish people begin to realise it's not in their interest.

It’s some scam. I wonder what the result of the experiment shall be.

[suicide_circus]

integration doesnt mean abandoning your own culture when you move to a new place. but it does mean compromising on and modifying those aspects of your culture which clash with the culture of the new place.

this is never discussed.

[Blueshoe]

Originally Posted by suicide_circus

integration doesnt mean abandoning your own culture when you move to a new place. but it does mean compromising on and modifying those aspects of your culture which clash with the culture of the new place.

this is never discussed.

When Irish people go to Australia or Canada for work the locals don't change to accommodate them. They go on as normal. It's fit in or **** off.

Seems to be an idea that some have here that we should change to accommodate strangers. No thanks

(Nothing to do with your point but I wanted to add it anyway)

[rusty cole]

Originally Posted by suicide_circus

integration doesnt mean abandoning your own culture when you move to a new place. but it does mean compromising on and modifying those aspects of your culture which clash with the culture of the new place.

this is never discussed.

agreed. case in point, some judge had a slew of stabbings from eastern Europeans on other eastern Europeans here over a period and commented something about those deaths happening during drink fueled sessions which were often a way of coping with homesickness and a longing for the family and culture left behind. He went on to suggest that these communities should seek to integrate more with irish life and society, rather than setting up minority cultures sometimes soaked in melancholy. We Irish really aren't that bad he might have said!

[A Tyrant Named Miltiades!]

Originally Posted by DelaneyIn

What annoys me about the immigration debate is that the people in favour of mass immigration like to pretend they are morally superior to those of us who are not.

Sometimes when the facts are at-odds with a persons biases, and that person is presented with the facts, there's a tendency to claim you are being 'talked down to'. Surely the whole point of threads like this is to debate, not to have your feelings protected.

Very strangely, the same people who complain about "morally superior" attitudes on the left seem to think everyone else is a snowflake.

people are in favour of mass immigration for entirely selfish reasons and are happy to cram 15 immigrants into a damp 3 bedroom house and when they become ill in winter they can't afford the €60 to visit a GP.

You're conflating a number of issues there. You're ignoring the overwhelming reliance that our healthcare system has on non-EU doctors (both in terms of Middle Eastern and Asian Government's funding Irish medical schools, and graduates staffing our system as nurses, pharmacists and doctors), whilst blaming them for flooding the system with their inconvenient illnesses.

They should come here and do jobs that irish people cannot or will not do, but just don't get sick?

I can anticipate the reply so let me answer it now. Not all non-EU migrants are skilled graduates or students. Agreed. And we should curtail the migration into Ireland, for economic purposes, of people without those skills and without funding their own education. And we already do.

You only get an employment visa to enter Ireland if you are a worker in an area with a shortage of skilled workers, whether you're a developer, a doctor, a chemist, or whatever.

Don't turn around and blame the workers who are needed here when they have to rent a property or visit a GP. They're paying taxes like the rest of us, and the fault is our own for not building houses, or incenticising those who can do so.

These are problems that can be addressed without closing the borders. How do we know? Because other European countries like France, Germany and Sweden are managing to house their people and run their healthcare services whilst processing a substantially bigger proportion of migrants.

[TheDiceMan2020]

Originally Posted by rusty cole

I agree 100% paleoperson but the clue is in the grammer, this is obviously not an irish person by birth who posted that shyte…

"its about time irish discovered there more than just white people"... QED

No they are very much Irish. I know the poster (not personally but know who they are)

[Wheeliebin30]

Originally Posted by A Tyrant Named Miltiades!

Sometimes when the facts are at-odds with a persons biases, and that person is presented with the facts, there's a tendency to claim you are being 'talked down to'. Surely the whole point of threads like this is to debate, not to have your feelings protected.

Very strangely, the same people who complain about "morally superior" attitudes on the left seem to think everyone else is a snowflake.

You're conflating a number of issues there. You're ignoring the overwhelming reliance that our healthcare system has on non-EU doctors (both in terms of Middle Eastern and Asian Government's funding Irish medical schools, and graduates staffing our system as nurses, pharmacists and doctors), whilst blaming them for flooding the system with their inconvenient illnesses.

They should come here and do jobs that irish people cannot or will not do, but just don't get sick?

I can anticipate the reply so let me answer it now. Not all non-EU migrants are skilled graduates or students. Agreed. And we should curtail the migration into Ireland, for economic purposes, of people without those skills and without funding their own education. And we already do.

You only get an employment visa to enter Ireland if you are a worker in an area with a shortage of skilled workers, whether you're a developer, a doctor, a chemist, or whatever.

Don't turn around and blame the workers who are needed here when they have to rent a property or visit a GP. They're paying taxes like the rest of us, and the fault is our own for not building houses, or incenticising those who can do so.

These are problems that can be addressed without closing the borders. How do we know? Because other European countries like France, Germany and Sweden are managing to house their people and run their healthcare services whilst processing a substantially bigger proportion of migrants.

Actually every country you just listened has MORE homeless people than Ireland.

Get your facts right.

[A Tyrant Named Miltiades!]

Originally Posted by Wheeliebin30

Actually every country you just listened has MORE homeless people than Ireland.

Get your facts right.

As a proportion of the local population?