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Direct Provision to be Abolished

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  • #152
    kildare lad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭kildare lad


    Working class heroes wrote: »
    I thought boards was supposed to be left wing?

    The fcuking echoes in hear are horrendous.

    Most people in Ireland are left wing , we voted overwhelmingly for gay marriage, abortion etc but all this nonsense about we needing diversity and immigration being forced down our throats is a load of rubbish . We're spending far to much money on keeping people in direct provision. Anyone coming to Ireland should be given a working visa for 2 years , if you can't support yourself after that time , bye bye . No appeals , no nothing . I'd a mate who got deported from Australia , he overstayed his visa. He got in a fight one night and got arrested . He got brought to a detention centre and was shipped back here 3 weeks later . That's the way it should be done here .


  • #153
    mikeym
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,985 ✭✭✭mikeym


    Theres no point having a meaningful debate because the snowflake liberals will call racist on anything anti migrant.


    If an asylum seeker is refused asylum they get one more appeal and if thats unsuccessful its deportation.


  • #154
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,004 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    mikeym wrote: »
    Theres no point having a meaningful debate because the snowflake liberals will call racist on anything anti migrant.


    If an asylum seeker is refused asylum they get one more appeal and if thats unsuccessful its deportation.

    Gov has to face down the NGOs and the Legal Profession for that to happen.

    And if they don't bother, or won't do it, well we are all paying for it anyway, apart from the entitled brigade and those on the scratch getting everything free anyway. Most vocal are those who will not have to pay anything for this farce.

    Hope Helen McEntee listens up good. Her predecessor Flanagan was a fkn disaster anyway.

    But we don't know who is leading the charge on this do we? UN, EU who knows, it is all a bit of a mystery.


  • #155
    kildare lad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭kildare lad


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    There doesn't have to be a war for people to face violence or persecution unfortunately. Should we really turn ourselves into a fortress of exclusivity?

    If that's the case there's 54 other countries in Africa to choose from if they're facing prosecution. Why don't they not go to one of the them ???


  • #156
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    kildare lad wrote: »
    Most people in Ireland are left wing , we voted overwhelmingly for gay marriage, abortion etc but all this nonsense about we needing diversity and immigration being forced down our throats is a load of rubbish . We're spending far to much money on keeping people in direct provision. Anyone coming to Ireland should be given a working visa for 2 years , if you can't support yourself after that time , bye bye . No appeals , no nothing . I'd a mate who got deported from Australia , he overstayed his visa. He got in a fight one night and got arrested . He got brought to a detention centre and was shipped back here 3 weeks later . That's the way it should be done here .

    Most people in Ireland are generally quite conservative in their views. Middle of the road. Each of the votes you mentioned were nothing to do with being left wing, but rather changing values as a result of the decline in influence of the Catholic Church.

    Other than that, I'd agree with you about immigration policies.


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  • #157
    kildare lad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭kildare lad


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Most people in Ireland are generally quite conservative in their views. Middle of the road. Each of the votes you mentioned were nothing to do with being left wing, but rather changing values as a result of the decline in influence of the Catholic Church.

    Other than that, I'd agree with you about immigration policies.

    Gay marriage and abortion are left wing I taught ???


  • #158
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,004 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    kildare lad wrote: »
    Gay marriage and abortion are left wing I taught ???

    Who did you teach :P


  • #159
    Calhoun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    Higgins5473 wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/new-department-of-children-to-be-responsible-for-direct-provision-1.4290769

    The article is quite vague. It gives some suggestions at the end of what will be done to improve conditions at present but it is being replaced with “ending the Direct Provision system and will replace it with a new International Protection accommodation policy, centred on a not for profit approach"

    What is International Protection accommodation policy?

    Thats great news if they deliver it, say what you want about our current immigration policy but the for profit accommodation system is crap and basically lining the pockets of landlords.

    In my local area there are 3 hotels that should be closed down, two were defunct and were bought and opened up as direct provision centres.

    We need proper accommodation along with a proper system.


  • #160
    SFC1895
    Registered Users Posts: 141 ✭✭SFC1895


    Calhoun wrote: »
    Thats great news if they deliver it, say what you want about our current immigration policy but the for profit accommodation system is crap and basically lining the pockets of landlords.

    In my local area there are 3 hotels that should be closed down, two were defunct and were bought and opened up as direct provision centres.

    We need proper accommodation along with a proper system.


    Lining the pockets of landlords sure, but also saving the taxpayer expense. A State-run or not-for-profit system would have to absorb the additional costs and would have taken from current social spending.


  • #161
    kildare lad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭kildare lad


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Who did you teach :P

    Elon musk was a pupil of mine


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  • #162
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,004 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Something has to give here to give those working and trying to get a place of their own a break.

    Maybe they should go to Nigeria and enter Dublin Airport claiming asylum.. No bother dear, here is your accommodation, no charge and everything is free for you honey bunch. All you have to do is spend your stipend wisely in the community that is looking after you ok? Everything is free for you, isn't that great. Come on in. But hold on, you are white, what's the story there!

    We will ask others no questions for years, and you can claim health care, and so on in the meantime. Welcome to IRELAND. Check out our Facebook and Twitter to get the lowdown for all your family and friends.


  • #163
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,004 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    kildare lad wrote: »
    Elon musk was a pupil of mine

    Was just having a laugh, not much of a pedant anyway:)


  • #164
    [Deleted User]
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    Calhoun wrote: »
    We need proper accommodation along with a proper system.

    That's probably another sticky mess that the politicians will not want to touch.

    Where do you build this accommodation?

    There's already fights over building rental accomodation, social housing and traveller halting sites etc etc.

    The hotels are easier hired and already built.


  • #165
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,004 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Topgear on Dave wrote: »
    That's probably another sticky mess that the politicians will not want to touch.

    Where do you build this accommodation?

    There's already fights over building rental accomodation, social housing and traveller halting sites etc etc.

    The hotels are easier hired and already built.

    Total scam and everyone knows it, but PC ensures that we are muzzled and therefore we are Controlled to think a certain way. Cannot say what we really think anymore. Every media source in this country won't allow any comment either.

    That is the real tragedy now regarding lots of issues that are verboten.


  • #166
    Working class heroes
    Registered Users Posts: 3,588 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    mikeym wrote: »
    Theres no point having a meaningful debate because the snowflake liberals will call racist on anything anti migrant.


    If an asylum seeker is refused asylum they get one more appeal and if thats unsuccessful its deportation.

    If the jack boots fit.....

    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • #167
    kildare lad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭kildare lad


    Working class heroes wrote: »
    If the jack boots fit.....

    So you're a Nazi now , if you don't believe in having uncontrolled immigration... Good one


  • #168
    Mysterypunter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    biko wrote: »
    No they don't.

    Nigeria, Pakistan and Zimbabwe have, between 2001 and 2019, been the most common origin of asylum applicants.
    Can you name a common factor with regard to these three countries, The British again, causing trouble all over the world. Ireland was not a colonial power, we owe nothing to citizens of these three countries. We are only a small country on the world stage, and multiculturalism doesn't need to apply because liberals think it should, by putting ourselves in a position where we have been dictated to by the EU, we have welcomed lots of people in at the expense of our own population. Politicians as usual have no need to upset the easily offended, because they are protected from the negative consequences of multiculturalism, so the ordinary people suffer because of decisions taken by government. This is not by any means a racist county, and most people are trying to get on, but as usual, the lunatics on both sides shout the loudest and make most noise and less sense. Direct provision is awful, but why does the application process take so long to complete for asylum seekers, and why does Ireland have to stand up in the world as if we are some kind of moral crusaders? In Australia, boats are not even allowed to dock, so there is the other side of the argument


  • #169
    Calhoun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    SFC1895 wrote: »
    Lining the pockets of landlords sure, but also saving the taxpayer expense. A State-run or not-for-profit system would have to absorb the additional costs and would have taken from current social spending.

    Maybe then there would be incentive to put regulations in place so that the system doesnt take 9-10 years to get through.


  • #170
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Mysterypunter wrote: »
    ]No they don't.

    Nigeria, Pakistan and Zimbabwe have, between 2001 and 2019, been the most common origin of asylum applicants.
    Can you name a common factor with regard to these three countries, The British again, causing trouble all over the world. Ireland was not a colonial power, we owe nothing to citizens of these three countries. We are only a small country on the world stage, and multiculturalism doesn't need to apply because liberals think it should, by putting ourselves in a position where we have been dictated to by the EU, we have welcomed lots of people in at the expense of our own population. Politicians as usual have no need to upset the easily offended, because they are protected from the negative consequences of multiculturalism, so the ordinary people suffer because of decisions taken by government. This is not by any means a racist county, and most people are trying to get on, but as usual, the lunatics on both sides shout the loudest and make most noise and less sense. Direct provision is awful, but why does the application process take so long to complete for asylum seekers, and why does Ireland have to stand up in the world as if we are some kind of moral crusaders? In Australia, boats are not even allowed to dock, so there is the other side of the argument

    Why is it awful?

    In the context of your home country being so awful you had to escape to Ireland. Nigeria/Pakistan/Zimbabwe aren't exactly next door.

    And that's an honest question. It's a phrase I hear all the time but have rarely seen explained. Getting food water warmth and safety has to be better then the country they were fleeing.


  • #171
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    About time too that all voices are heard, not just the leftie communistas with time on their hands.

    Yeah you're so oppressed. Muh free speech.


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  • #172
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    Mysterypunter wrote: »
    No they don't.

    Nigeria, Pakistan and Zimbabwe have, between 2001 and 2019, been the most common origin of asylum applicants.
    Can you name a common factor with regard to these three countries, The British again, causing trouble all over the world.

    Nigeria's proclamation of independence from British rule on 1 October 1960.

    Pakistan gained independence from the British rule on August 14, 1947.

    Pakistan gained independence from the British rule on 11 November 1965

    Common factor? They've been independent a long time, and what what they done with their independence? nah. Let's not deal with the nasty internal problems and instead pass the buck on to the British,... between 2001 and 2019 no less. Apparently the British are to blame for crap that happens after they no longer control the countries...

    It's time to stop tolerating the "colonialisation excuse" for a countrys' failure to prove for its own citizens. You think that blaming the UK is fine, but it's not because collective guilt is the agenda being pushed. The only way to deal with this BS is to point out a nations failures as their own, and the suggestion that refugees should be back fixing their country rather than seeking a better life in another country.

    Just drop the guilt trip completely.


  • #173
    Kiith
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,216 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    I really don't know where so many people get the idea that all refugees are lying and only want to come over and sit on their hole getting welfare. I know quite a few people in Direct Provision, and pretty much all of them started working as soon as they were legally allowed to. You know, serving your food, packing food/equipment, cleaning up after you for very little wages. The jobs plenty of Irish people would never give up their welfare to do.

    Are there false claims? Sure there are, and they should be sent home. If the system wasn't a ****ing mess, it wouldn't take 9 months to even get an initial interview. But it's not as easy as saying "Your country isn't at war" and sending them home though. It can be a complex situation for many of them, with racial, religious or sexuality violence aimed at them.

    These DP centers make a sickening amount of money while leaving people live an ****e conditions.


  • #174
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    I am glad its going to end and be on a non for profit basis. However I am pessimistic about how actually fair any new system will be. I also doubt how efficient the greens will be.


  • #175
    Corcaigh84
    Registered Users Posts: 592 ✭✭✭Corcaigh84


    ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »
    Why is it awful?

    In the context of your home country being so awful you had to escape to Ireland. Nigeria/Pakistan/Zimbabwe aren't exactly next door.

    And that's an honest question. It's a phrase I hear all the time but have rarely seen explained. Getting food water warmth and safety has to be better then the country they were fleeing.

    So an economic migrant then. Just so we're clear - not fleeing war. If their home countries are so bad, why do the vast majority of asylum seekers who get a spot in one of the DP centres book a holiday back home as soon as they land?


  • #176
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    gilberto_eire wrote: »
    Its scandalous, they can go back on holidays to these countries they apparently cant stay in for fear of their life, commit fraud and crimes and it's not revoked.

    And tbh the same conditions should apply to EU citizens, you get temporary welfare support and after that you're going home.
    You commit any crimes you're deported after your sentence.
    I wouldn't move abroad and expect another country's welfare system to fund my life, I'd be booking a flight home once my job ended.

    We already have that for EU citizens. If they can't support themselves or become a social welfare burden we can repatriate them. We never do though.


  • #177
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Corcaigh84 wrote: »
    So an economic migrant then. Just so we're clear - not fleeing war. If their home countries are so bad, why do the vast majority of asylum seekers who get a spot in one of the DP centres book a holiday back home as soon as they land?

    Even for an economic migrant, free food, water, shelter and money - why is it so bad?

    I have yet to hear an actual alternative that isnt "let everyone in, give them all houses etc"

    And I am for skilled immigration


  • #178
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    LiquidZeb wrote: »
    There doesn't have to be a war for people to face violence or persecution unfortunately. Should we really turn ourselves into a fortress of exclusivity?

    100% yes


  • #179
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    We can't do that legally.

    Yes we can, anyone that lands from another safe country can be sent directly back. And we have an opt-out clause from taking EU refugees from Nice 2.


  • #180
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    The problem with making the process more efficient is it will inevitably lead to more people being deported.

    Why is that a problem?


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  • #181
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Most people in Ireland are generally quite conservative in their views. Middle of the road. Each of the votes you mentioned were nothing to do with being left wing, but rather changing values as a result of the decline in influence of the Catholic Church.

    Other than that, I'd agree with you about immigration policies.
    Every referendum on the issue has proven you incorrect.


  • #182
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    Every referendum on the issue has proven you incorrect.

    abortion rights and same sex marraige are perfectly compatible with a broad church of views including centre-right and moderate right politics. Has nothing to do with Ireland 'going left'


  • #183
    Mysterypunter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »
    Why is it awful?

    In the context of your home country being so awful you had to escape to Ireland. Nigeria/Pakistan/Zimbabwe aren't exactly next door.

    And that's an honest question. It's a phrase I hear all the time but have rarely seen explained. Getting food water warmth and safety has to be better then the country they were fleeing.
    Its awful from the point of view of a dragged out system that doesn't work, only from the point of view of the genuine cases, for the spoofers it's a dream come true.


  • #184
    Mysterypunter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Nigeria's proclamation of independence from British rule on 1 October 1960.

    Pakistan gained independence from the British rule on August 14, 1947.

    Pakistan gained independence from the British rule on 11 November 1965

    Common factor? They've been independent a long time, and what what they done with their independence? nah. Let's not deal with the nasty internal problems and instead pass the buck on to the British,... between 2001 and 2019 no less. Apparently the British are to blame for crap that happens after they no longer control the countries...

    It's time to stop tolerating the "colonialisation excuse" for a countrys' failure to prove for its own citizens. You think that blaming the UK is fine, but it's not because collective guilt is the agenda being pushed. The only way to deal with this BS is to point out a nations failures as their own, and the suggestion that refugees should be back fixing their country rather than seeking a better life in another country.

    Just drop the guilt trip completely.

    The citizens of the 3 countries hover around this area because of colonial links, they have no connection with Ireland, but used to be ruled by England, I know they have not done much with their independence, but the point I was making is the British were a colonial power, Ireland wasnt


  • #185
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    abortion rights and same sex marraige are perfectly compatible with a broad church of views including centre-right and moderate right politics. Has nothing to do with Ireland 'going left'
    Has the pope sanctioned abortion and gay marriage?

    Are these not still the platforms the right still fight on in the us and around the world?

    I would imagine on the topic of direct provision in isolation away from immigration that Ireland would be quite liberal.

    Not to mention the fact that Direct provision is actually unlawful. (Which is the ONLY reason its being ended lets be real here).

    They have to end it. Or they face legal challenges.


  • #186
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Kiith wrote: »
    I really don't know where so many people get the idea that all refugees are lying and only want to come over and sit on their hole getting welfare. I know quite a few people in Direct Provision, and pretty much all of them started working as soon as they were legally allowed to. You know, serving your food, packing food/equipment, cleaning up after you for very little wages. The jobs plenty of Irish people would never give up their welfare to do.

    Are there false claims? Sure there are, and they should be sent home. If the system wasn't a ****ing mess, it wouldn't take 9 months to even get an initial interview. But it's not as easy as saying "Your country isn't at war" and sending them home though. It can be a complex situation for many of them, with racial, religious or sexuality violence aimed at them.

    These DP centers make a sickening amount of money while leaving people live an ****e conditions.

    It doesnt matter if they work when they come here.
    The fact is the vast majority of them are economic migrants and they're applying through a process that says theyre lives are in danger.

    There are people on Welfare who wont work a day in their lives but that's a complete and utter separate issue to this.


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  • #187
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    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    Every referendum on the issue has proven you incorrect.

    Rubbish. Every referendum has shown the wishes of the people, not their ideological preferences. Did you even read what I wrote?
    Mysterypunter wrote:
    The citizens of the 3 countries hover around this area because of colonial links, they have no connection with Ireland, but used to be ruled by England, I know they have not done much with their independence, but the point I was making is the British were a colonial power, Ireland wasnt

    Yes, they were, and colonialism wasn't amazing for all the countries involved. However, it's a get out of jail excuse. It's the card thrown down to excuse their own failures as nations, to provide for their own people, and to justify bashing western civilisation.. because we're all collectively responsible for what the colonial powers did.

    Posting such, simply encourages people to believe its true. And it's not. It's just PR spin..


  • #188
    Slowyourrole
    Registered Users Posts: 288 ✭✭Slowyourrole


    Danzy wrote: »
    What the modern left call a far right position on migration is a traditional left wing one and very much a working class one.


    Can you name one main stream party on the left that wants open borders or unmonitored immigration? What the people on the right claim is their position is generally the position held by most parties. What separates them tends to be the methods and intensity.


  • #189
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,760 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Slowyourrole wrote: »
    Can you name one main stream party on the left that wants open borders or unmonitored immigration? What the people on the right claim is their position is generally the position held by most parties. What separates them tends to be the methods and intensity.

    PBP seem to be for open borders, although they are not very specific:


    https://www.pbp.ie/policies/racism-and-immigration-policy/2/


  • #190
    Yellow_Fern
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,612 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    Slowyourrole wrote: »
    Can you name one main stream party on the left that wants open borders or unmonitored immigration? What the people on the right claim is their position is generally the position held by most parties. What separates them tends to be the methods and intensity.

    Irish parties tend to very vague about their key polices and when they are clear it is normally only in the short term. There are some clear exceptions with Sinn Fein and the Green Party but mostly the main parties don't have strong views on issues that are not currently being debated. If you look at the immigrant council or the anti racism networks you find plenty of people in support of open borders. I agree most left wingers are not mad but they will adopt mad positions very easily.


  • #191
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,760 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Slowyourrole wrote: »
    Can you name one main stream party on the left that wants open borders or unmonitored immigration? What the people on the right claim is their position is generally the position held by most parties. What separates them tends to be the methods and intensity.

    Left-wing parties never state that the vast majority of AS are bogus.

    They never state the truth.

    Left-wing parties presume that AS are genuine, where as the truth is that the vast majority are false.

    Left-wing politicians don't mention this, as it undermines the fallacy that they believe.



    https://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/1087


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  • #192
    Trey Slimy Easel
    Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Trey Slimy Easel


    Topgear on Dave wrote: »
    We know this.

    So what is the solution? If the solution was easy the politicians would have done it years ago. They LOVE easy fixes.

    I hear lots of campaign slogans about abolishing it all the time online.

    So what system should replace it?

    No, they wouldn't. It's the same as housing. They won't fix housing as so many of them are landlords/know somebody that is one.

    Housing could be sorted in the morning.


  • #193
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,676 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    The reason as to why they cross mainland Europe and all the safe countries there to make their way to Ireland has never been answered.

    We all know the reason before 2004 was to have anchor babies but yet despite the constant complaining from those in DP they still come here.


  • #194
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    A cluster of Covid associated with travel from Iraq. No doubt one of our persecuted asylum seekers taking a holiday back home once they got their leave to remain :)


  • #195
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No, they wouldn't. It's the same as housing. They won't fix housing as so many of them are landlords/know somebody that is one.

    Housing could be sorted in the morning.

    Do tell us how to fix the housing problems as well as the DP situation.

    Many TDs make great headlines decrying the shortage of homes and housing nationally whilst attempting to block construction in their own constituencies.


  • #196
    Slowyourrole
    Registered Users Posts: 288 ✭✭Slowyourrole


    Geuze wrote: »
    PBP seem to be for open borders, although they are not very specific:


    https://www.pbp.ie/policies/racism-and-immigration-policy/2/
    Yellow_Fern wrote: »
    Irish parties tend to very vague about their key polices and when they are clear it is normally only in the short term. There are some clear exceptions with Sinn Fein and the Green Party but mostly the main parties don't have strong views on issues that are not currently being debated. If you look at the immigrant council or the anti racism networks you find plenty of people in support of open borders. I agree most left wingers are not mad but they will adopt mad positions very easily.
    Geuze wrote: »
    Left-wing parties never state that the vast majority of AS are bogus.

    They never state the truth.

    Left-wing parties presume that AS are genuine, where as the truth is that the vast majority are false.

    Left-wing politicians don't mention this, as it undermines the fallacy that they believe.



    https://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/1087


    TLDR: No.

    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    The reason as to why they cross mainland Europe and all the safe countries there to make their way to Ireland has never been answered.

    We all know the reason before 2004 was to have anchor babies but yet despite the constant complaining from those in DP they still come here.


    Maybe they prefer the English language.


  • #197
    Trey Slimy Easel
    Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Trey Slimy Easel


    perfectkama wrote: »
    I will ask you too so answer ?

    Why is the waiting list so long?


    Because it's jobs for the boys.


  • #198
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Why is the waiting list so long?

    Simple they stopped building and sold off large stocks to tenants on the cheap
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  • #199
    Yellow_Fern
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,612 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    Gatling wrote: »
    Simple they stopped building and sold off large stocks to tenants on the cheap

    Were council housing lists really shorter years ago? It is true that they stopped building, but I thought the lists were always long.


  • #200
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,760 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    gilberto_eire wrote: »
    A cluster of Covid associated with travel from Iraq. No doubt one of our persecuted asylum seekers taking a holiday back home once they got their leave to remain :)

    I don't think they are AS.

    There is travel from Iraq involved, yes, to Sligo, but no mention of being AS.


  • #201
    greendom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭greendom


    gilberto_eire wrote: »
    Its scandalous, they can go back on holidays to these countries they apparently cant stay in for fear of their life, commit fraud and crimes and it's not revoked.

    And tbh the same conditions should apply to EU citizens, you get temporary welfare support and after that you're going home.
    You commit any crimes you're deported after your sentence.
    I wouldn't move abroad and expect another country's welfare system to fund my life, I'd be booking a flight home once my job ended.

    Why not go the whole hog and exile Irish people who can't find work?


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