Stove came loose from flue liner (adapter burned off?)

enfant terrible · 24-03-2020 10:52am #1

Hi guys,

Noticed our stove was giving off a lot of smoke when I opened the door.

Looked behind the stove and found what looks like the adaptor the connects the stove to the liner on the ground.

I moved the stove slightly and the liner came completely away from the stove.

Would this indicate we are burning the wrong type of fuel in the stove?

What type of adapter do I need to connect the stove to the flue liner?

It's a stanley oisin stove sn stove. Pictures attached below.

upupup · 24-03-2020 4:18pm

It doesn't look good as I can't see much of the flange left.The flexi flue pipe should not have been connected directly to the stove,perhaps that's the reason it fell apart.You need to be able to attach a steel pipe to the flange at the back of the stove and connect the flexi flue to the other end of it.

jelutong · 24-03-2020 4:25pm

Was the adapter/collar screwed to the stove ? I should have been held in place by 2 screws.

enfant terrible · 24-03-2020 4:45pm

jelutong wrote: »

Was the adapter/collar screwed to the stove ? I should have been held in place by 2 screws.

Yes there is two very burnt screws still attached to the stove, can't get them off.

Is the entire stove damaged now? Can I get another adapter on or is stove beyond repair?

enfant terrible · 24-03-2020 4:47pm

upupup wrote: »

It doesn't look good as I can't see much of the flange left.The flexi flue pipe should not have been connected directly to the stove,perhaps that's the reason it fell apart.You need to be able to attach a steel pipe to the flange at the back of the stove and connect the flexi flue to the other end of it.

Yes the stove was in the house when we purchased it four years ago never used one before.

Do you think the flange may be too damaged to get a pipe on?

jelutong · 24-03-2020 5:08pm

You could either drill out the old screws or drill 2 new holes. Use stainless steel screws if can source them. The original screws could have been 1/4 bsw or 6 mm. A simple fix.

upupup · 24-03-2020 5:56pm

enfant terrible wrote: »

Yes the stove was in the house when we purchased it four years ago never used one before.

Do you think the flange may be too damaged to get a pipe on?

You need a new collar/spigot,about 30euro from a stove shop but you may have a problem fitting a new one so follow jeltongs advice about the screws

enfant terrible · 24-03-2020 6:17pm

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jelutong wrote: »

You could either drill out the old screws or drill 2 new holes. Use stainless steel screws if can source them. The original screws could have been 1/4 bsw or 6 mm. A simple fix.

upupup wrote: »

You need a new collar/spigot,about 30euro from a stove shop but you may have a problem fitting a new one so follow jeltongs advice about the screws

Cheers lads,

Is this what I need?

https://stovespareparts.ie/product/flue-spigot-top-or-backenamel-4/

upupup · 24-03-2020 8:51pm

enfant terrible wrote: »

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Cheers lads,

Is this what I need?

https://stovespareparts.ie/product/flue-spigot-top-or-backenamel-4/

yes thats what you need and it's best to attach a short straight steel flue to the spigot and maybe 2@45degree bends to get the steel flue vertical and attach the flexiflue to the end of the 45

jelutong · 24-03-2020 11:29pm

Another thing, the flexi pipe should fit inside the cast iron collar not outside as it seems to be on your stove.

enfant terrible · 25-03-2020 9:27am

upupup wrote: »

yes thats what you need and it's best to attach a short straight steel flue to the spigot and maybe 2@45degree bends to get the steel flue vertical and attach the flexiflue to the end of the 45

jelutong wrote: »

Another thing, the flexi pipe should fit inside the cast iron collar not outside as it seems to be on your stove.

Cheers lads,

Will try and get the screws off and go from there.

enfant terrible · 13-08-2020 11:00pm

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Hi guys,

Got my cast iron collar but when I had a look at the flexi pipe I found a rip in it.

I attached a picture of it above, its six inch diameter.

Is this the type of flexi pipe I need?

https://www.laoisstone.com/stoves-s/flexible-flue-liners/flexible-flue-liner-1-meter

https://www.laoisstone.com/stoves-s/flexible-flue-liners/flexible-904l-grade-flue-liner-1-meter

If it is should I go for the higher grade pipe?

Thanks

Lewis_Benson · 14-08-2020 12:23am

enfant terrible wrote: »

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Hi guys,

Got my cast iron collar but when I had a look at the flexi pipe I found a rip in it.

I attached a picture of it above, its six inch diameter.

Is this the type of flexi pipe I need?

https://www.laoisstone.com/stoves-s/flexible-flue-liners/flexible-flue-liner-1-meter

https://www.laoisstone.com/stoves-s/flexible-flue-liners/flexible-904l-grade-flue-liner-1-meter

If it is should I go for the higher grade pipe?

Thanks

Was the flexi liner just shoved up the chimney?

enfant terrible · 14-08-2020 1:10am

Lewis_Benson wrote: »

Was the flexi liner just shoved up the chimney?

It was connected to what looks like another liner.

I attached a picture below.

Do I actually need a flue bend?
https://www.laoisstone.com/stoves-s/single-wall-chimney-flues/flue-bend-90-degree-with-inspection-door?gclid=CjwKCAjwydP5BRBREiwA-qrCGgACOyc6sAonZ-mJ2QfnCqJHzOf8XhicxwZhUs6SH6tUjZGbEXYhSxoCKagQAvD_BwE

upupup · 14-08-2020 11:33am

enfant terrible wrote: »

It was connected to what looks like another liner.

I attached a picture below.

Do I actually need a flue bend?
https://www.laoisstone.com/stoves-s/single-wall-chimney-flues/flue-bend-90-degree-with-inspection-door?gclid=CjwKCAjwydP5BRBREiwA-qrCGgACOyc6sAonZ-mJ2QfnCqJHzOf8XhicxwZhUs6SH6tUjZGbEXYhSxoCKagQAvD_BwE

Throw away the flexi flue bend that you have as you shouldn't attach a flexi flue directly to a stove.You need that steel bend in your picture and possibly some of this pipe if there is space between the new bend and the pipe in the chimney.https://www.laoisstone.com/stoves-s/single-wall-chimney-flues/single-wall-vitreous-enamle-chimney-flue-pipe-1000mm

enfant terrible · 14-08-2020 1:07pm

upupup wrote: »

Throw away the flexi flue bend that you have as you shouldn't attach a flexi flue directly to a stove.You need that steel bend in your picture and possibly some of this pipe if there is space between the new bend and the pipe in the chimney.https://www.laoisstone.com/stoves-s/single-wall-chimney-flues/single-wall-vitreous-enamle-chimney-flue-pipe-1000mm

Cheers,

Will that extension pipe you linked fit into the elbow bend or do I need to join them with some fire cement or something?

upupup · 14-08-2020 3:59pm

enfant terrible wrote: »

Cheers,

Will that extension pipe you linked fit into the elbow bend or do I need to join them with some fire cement or something?

Yes.They are designed to fit together with a narrow and wide end,they have a hole to screw them together and also use some fire cement although its a tight fit so you won't get much cement in them.
Keep the wide end facing up so any rain coming down runs into the stove.
Make sure you have the correct diameter pipe.The flue pipe in the chimney needs to fit into the wide end of your new steel pipe.
The narrow end of your new flue bend needs to fit into your new collar.
A CO alarm is essential too.

enfant terrible · 15-08-2020 12:12pm

upupup wrote: »

Yes.They are designed to fit together with a narrow and wide end,they have a hole to screw them together and also use some fire cement although its a tight fit so you won't get much cement in them.
Keep the wide end facing up so any rain coming down runs into the stove.
Make sure you have the correct diameter pipe.The flue pipe in the chimney needs to fit into the wide end of your new steel pipe.
The narrow end of your new flue bend needs to fit into your new collar.
A CO alarm is essential too.

You think this one be decent upupup only 30 quid?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07VTPZHCF/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=AGLWHCWMXINVN&psc=1

upupup · 15-08-2020 3:15pm

enfant terrible wrote: »

You think this one be decent upupup only 30 quid?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07VTPZHCF/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=AGLWHCWMXINVN&psc=1

I'v no idea its quality.I would buy it off a good local stove dealer.Quality is important when it comes to stoves and possible fumes that can kill you while you sleep!...The way your stove was installed before was a botch job and that's why you have problems. Do it right,then you only have to do it once:)

enfant terrible · 08-09-2020 11:53am

Hi guys.

Got a steel fabricator to agree to come and try attach the new collar to the stove.

He's saying I also need a gasket between the collar and the stove. Saying it shouldn't be steel on steel.

I can't see any gasket available for my stove.

Do I need one or will the fire cement do?

upupup · 08-09-2020 4:31pm

enfant terrible wrote: »

Hi guys.

Got a steel fabricator to agree to come and try attach the new collar to the stove.

He's saying I also need a gasket between the collar and the stove. Saying it shouldn't be steel on steel.

I can't see any gasket available for my stove.

Do I need one or will the fire cement do?

The gasket is usually attached,glued to a new collar and it is the same material as stove rope.
This rope is too thick but you may be able to buy thinner rope or thin this rope out.https://stovespareparts.ie/product/door-rope-per-meter/

enfant terrible · 08-09-2020 4:45pm

upupup wrote: »

The gasket is usually attached,glued to a new collar and it is the same material as stove rope.
This rope is too thick but you may be able to buy thinner rope or thin this rope out.https://stovespareparts.ie/product/door-rope-per-meter/

Thanks again,

Does the rope go around the circumference or cover the entire collar?

After glueing on is it then pressed against stove and screwed on?

upupup · 08-09-2020 5:01pm

enfant terrible wrote: »

Thanks again,

Does the rope go around the circumference or cover the entire collar?

After glueing on is it then pressed against stove and screwed on?

Heres a photo of a collar i have

enfant terrible · 08-09-2020 5:09pm

upupup wrote: »

Heres a photo of a collar i have

You're a legend I'll try get some rope and glue so he's says he's coming Saturday.

This the kind of kit I need?
https://smile.amazon.co.uk/dp/B005CB46XE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_YC6vFbKV1TS82

upupup · 08-09-2020 5:18pm

enfant terrible wrote: »

You're a legend I'll try get some rope and glue so he's says he's coming Saturday.

This the kind of kit I need?
https://smile.amazon.co.uk/dp/B005CB46XE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_YC6vFbKV1TS82

yes that's what you need.the rope on my collar is about 3/5mm thick so you will need to thin it or try flatten it with a heavy hammer

enfant terrible · 08-09-2020 5:31pm

upupup wrote: »

yes that's what you need.the rope on my collar is about 3/5mm thick so you will need to thin it or try flatten it with a heavy hammer

Would 200cm be enough to cover it?

upupup · 08-09-2020 7:16pm

enfant terrible wrote: »

Would 200cm be enough to cover it?

200 cm will cover it 10 times!

bobbyy gee · 08-09-2020 7:24pm

seal it also use carbon monoxid alarm
https://shop.vitcas.com/help/free-standing-stove/how-should-i-seal-the-flue-pipe-to-the-stove.html

Stove came loose from flue liner (adapter burned off?)

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