Laura Whitmore - British Army

markodaly · 11-08-2020 5:59pm

Odhinn wrote: »

A lad from Tipp isn't going to end up in an unjustified war of aggression, eg Iraq.

That is a poltiical choice, not the choice of the soldier themself.
But I have to love the jingoistic superority complex some display about this. My army is better than your army. Playground stuff.

Odhinn · 11-08-2020 6:21pm

markodaly wrote: »

That is a poltiical choice, not the choice of the soldier themself.
...............

He joined up, given the history of the BA, he's made his choice.

Edgware · 11-08-2020 6:27pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Yeah great, when lads want out in their droves...

Usual negativity from people who don't know what they are on about

whisky_galore · 11-08-2020 6:49pm

Edgware wrote: »

Usual negativity from people who don't know what they are on about

Lol.

Tis all fake news.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/numbers-leaving-defence-forces-reaches-crisis-proportions-1.4036782?mode=amp

whisky_galore · 11-08-2020 6:53pm

Rothko wrote: »

And people are also free to criticise them too.

As if they'd take any notice of them.

jm08 · 11-08-2020 7:02pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Lol.

Tis all fake news.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/numbers-leaving-defence-forces-reaches-crisis-proportions-1.4036782?mode=amp

Easily solved by paying them properly. The problem seems to stem from Government cuts in 2013.

Ash.J.Williams · 11-08-2020 9:28pm

Irish army IT guys are retiring and walking into corporate IT management roles and getting big bucks , they are unreal. They have amazing discipline and skills.

Rothko · 12-08-2020 12:34am

whisky_galore wrote: »

As if they'd take any notice of them.

Then why does it matter?

markodaly · 12-08-2020 1:49am

Odhinn wrote: »

He joined up, given the history of the BA, he's made his choice.

Do you extend the same judgment to SF and IRA members.... we all know their history of murdering babies and toddlers... or are they 'grand fellas'?

James Brown · 12-08-2020 2:23am

markodaly wrote: »

Do you extend the same judgment to SF and IRA members.... we all know their history of murdering babies and toddlers... or are they 'grand fellas'?

So have you moved on from the BA or do they get a pass? Do you accept not everyone admires the BA for valid reasons?
'Two wrongs don't make a right', right?

Errashareesh · 12-08-2020 2:34am

markodaly wrote: »

Do you extend the same judgment to SF and IRA members.... we all know their history of murdering babies and toddlers... or are they 'grand fellas'?

Why do people resort to this?

It's like a thread about the provisional IRA's atrocities and someone coming along and saying "What about the British Army?" It's deflection and whataboutery. And what's with putting words in their mouth? Where has that poster indicated they think the provos are "grand fellas"?

Why must criticism of the British army mean being grand with the IRA? Can't someone be critical of both?

I certainly don't think all individual British soldiers are terrible people - I'd say most are decent. And many of them have suffered terribly too. I don't think less of anyone who joins their army.

But as an organisation, the British army inflicted terrible pain on nationalists in the north of Ireland. Bloody Sunday and internment without trial aren't 50 years ago - it's nothing. The wounds are still raw. Not to mention the day to day intimidation, and the collusion/bias.

markodaly · 12-08-2020 2:45am

Errashareesh wrote: »

I certainly don't think all individual British soldiers are terrible people - I'd say most are decent. And many of them have suffered terribly too. I don't think less of anyone who joins their army.
.

I share the same opinion, but again the reason for this thread is the usual insecure belligerent attitude we have to anything British.

Laura Whitmore was involved in a campaign to get more women into the British Army, and we have the usual type of people commenting on her as women, blatant misogyny right there, calling her a media whore and elsewhere a bitch..

Some posters have a history of thinking they are whiter than white, fighters for human rights apparently, but will outright defend atrocities committed by paramilitaries including the murder of women and children because it's for 'the cause'.

It is blatant hypocrisy. It's used as a cover for xenophobic nationalistic jingoism.

I would all be for a debate on the British Army and their wrongs, but you will NEVER get a reasoned debate about that on this forum, because of the nationalistic jingoism that accompanies a debate about 'da Brits'.

It would be like asking for a logical Climate Change debate with Donald Trump, it just ain't going to happen.

Errashareesh · 12-08-2020 2:48am

Criticism of the British army hardly means having an insecure attitude towards anything British.

James Brown · 12-08-2020 2:55am

markodaly wrote: »

I share the same opinion, but again the reason for this thread is the usual insecure belligerent attitude we have to anything British.

Laura Whitmore was involved in a campaign to get more women into the British Army, and we have the usual type of people commenting on her as women, blatant misogyny right there, calling her a media whore and elsewhere a bitch..

Some posters have a history of thinking they are whiter than white, fighters for human rights apparently, but will outright defend atrocities committed by paramilitaries including the murder of women and children because it's for 'the cause'.

It is blatant hypocrisy. It's used as a cover for xenophobic nationalistic jingoism.

I would all be for a debate on the British Army and their wrongs, but you will NEVER get a reasoned debate about that on this forum, because of the nationalistic jingoism that accompanies a debate about 'da Brits'.

It would be like asking for a logical Climate Change debate with Donald Trump, it just ain't going to happen.

You keep saying it is but it's really not.
It was about Laura tweeting respects to John Hume and then promoting her BA recruitment show. People thought it showed a lack of understanding. Your spin allows you spew bile though right?

markodaly · 12-08-2020 3:15am

Errashareesh wrote: »

Criticism of the British army hardly means having an insecure attitude towards anything British.

Not in of itself, but when you hear the same over the top tired arguments, day in day out, year after year, then there is something else going on in the minds of these people then say, justified and rational criticism of the BA.

Do you think it's justified to call Laura Whitemore a 'Media-whore' or 'a bitch' because of those tweets?

Strazdas · 12-08-2020 3:23am

Bowie wrote: »

You keep saying it is but it's really not.
It was about Laura tweeting respects to John Hume and then promoting her BA recruitment show. People thought it showed a lack of understanding. Your spin allows you spew bile though right?

John Hume would never speak about Laura Whitmore the way the armchair republicans are.

He was a nationalist, yes, but he was primarily a peacemaker.

JJayoo · 12-08-2020 3:27am

She's hot and that's the real issue we shouldn't forget

James Brown · 12-08-2020 3:29am

Strazdas wrote: »

John Hume would never speak about Laura Whitmore the way the armchair republicans are.

He was a nationalist, yes, but he was primarily a peacemaker.

Yes some people posted some out of order stuff.
Some Republicans too, likely.

Doesn't change the initial discussion.

Errashareesh · 12-08-2020 3:43am

markodaly wrote: »

Not in of itself, but when you hear the same over the top tired arguments, day in day out, year after year, then there is something else going on in the minds of these people then say, justified and rational criticism of the BA.

Do you think it's justified to call Laura Whitemore a 'Media-whore' or 'a bitch' because of those tweets?

Loaded question. Why on earth would I think it's justified?

But no, I also criticised things being said about her in previous posts of mine here.

end of the road · 12-08-2020 11:33am

markodaly wrote: »

Do you extend the same judgment to SF and IRA members.... we all know their history of murdering babies and toddlers... or are they 'grand fellas'?

whataboutery and deflection.
the british army are agents of the british state, they are representatives of the british state, when they are used they are acting on behalf of the british state and have an obligation to behave themselves.
the provisional IRA on the other hand were an illegal organisation, all be it came to fruition for good reasons.
there is no comparison what so ever between an illegal organisation and representative agents of the british state.
nobody has said that any civilian killings by the IRA were justified, ever.

Odhinn · 12-08-2020 12:50pm

markodaly wrote: »

I share the same opinion, but again the reason for this thread is the usual insecure (.......................).

It would be like asking for a logical Climate Change debate with Donald Trump, it just ain't going to happen.

The BA were and are an oppressive force, with crimes committed in Asia, the middle east, and Africa.

12-08-2020 1:34pm

Odhinn wrote: »

The BA were and are an oppressive force, with crimes committed in Asia, the middle east, and Africa.

You took your time, but you got there in the end.

breezy1985 · 12-08-2020 1:39pm

markodaly wrote: »

When are we actually going to get over this $hit?
When can we say as Irish people let bygones be bygones.
5 years, 15 years, 50 years.... never?

Not all opposition to the British army in this country relates to the occupation or the troubles only. I would be against promoting them due to stuff they done very recently in the middle East and North Africa and also because they show no signs of not doing it again

markodaly · 12-08-2020 2:44pm

Odhinn wrote: »

The BA were and are an oppressive force, with crimes committed in Asia, the middle east, and Africa.

Ah, yes whenever we need a history lesson on the evil deeds of the Brits, there will always be someone like you harping on endlessly about it, while at the same time thinking someone like Bobby Storey who threatened a rape victim (just one bit of is nastiness) is a 'great activist'.

markodaly · 12-08-2020 2:46pm

end of the road wrote: »

nobody has said that any civilian killings by the IRA were justified, ever.

Oh, but they have.. a lo,t and all the time.
You can meet these people on this very thread.

cameramonkey · 12-08-2020 3:24pm

markodaly wrote: »

Ah, yes whenever we need a history lesson on the evil deeds of the Brits, there will always be someone like you harping on endlessly about it, while at the same time thinking someone like Bobby Storey who threatened a rape victim (just one bit of is nastiness) is a 'great activist'.

Have you an problems with any actions of the British Army anywhere at any time?

Odhinn · 12-08-2020 3:26pm

markodaly wrote: »

Ah, yes whenever we need a history lesson on the evil deeds of the Brits, .............'.

Given the fawning that occasionally surfraces, it certainly seems that some do indeed need a lecture. Perhaps even two or three.

Strazdas · 12-08-2020 3:33pm

Bowie wrote: »

Yes some people posted some out of order stuff.
Some Republicans too, likely.

Doesn't change the initial discussion.

I think she messed up myself and made an error of judgement, but the attacks on her on social media have been hysterical and over the top.

James Brown · 12-08-2020 3:59pm

Strazdas wrote: »

I think she messed up myself and made an error of judgement, but the attacks on her on social media have been hysterical and over the top.

Yes, but that's not what anyone is defending here. It's being used by individuals to dismiss the actual conversation or make it about 'shinners'. It's dishonest.

end of the road · 12-08-2020 6:52pm

markodaly wrote: »

Oh, but they have.. a lo,t and all the time.
You can meet these people on this very thread.

oh but they haven't.
i have followed the posters across multiple threads discussing the northern irish liberation from sectarian rule, they have never justified civilian killings.

Errashareesh · 12-08-2020 9:26pm

markodaly wrote: »

Ah, yes whenever we need a history lesson on the evil deeds of the Brits, there will always be someone like you harping on endlessly about it, while at the same time thinking someone like Bobby Storey who threatened a rape victim (just one bit of is nastiness) is a 'great activist'.

I don't understand why you keep doing that. It kinda seems like you think you're a cut above those Irish plebs when you dismiss valid criticism of the British army's history (not the Brits - the British army) but you just look quite forelock tugging.

And that poster didn't say Bobby Storey was a great activist.

You keep going on about this invisible refusal to condemn the other side, yet you're actually the only one whom that applies to! (Just in the opposite direction).

timthumbni · 13-08-2020 11:53pm

You know republicans are really hitting the bottom Of the barrel when they are whinging on about Laura Whitmore from Love Island UK ffs.

Does anyone know or care? Well yes republicans are watching Love island and want a whinge. Traitor.....

Maybe these republicans should grow up.

James Brown · 13-08-2020 11:59pm

timthumbni wrote: »

You know republicans are really hitting the bottom Of the barrel when they are whinging on about Laura Whitmore from Love Island UK ffs.

Does anyone know or care? Well yes republicans are watching Love island and want a whinge. Traitor.....

Maybe these republicans should grow up.

I can think of something far more pathetic.
A conversation about the poor timing and possible lack of understanding in posting on John Hume's passing and an advert for a BA recruitment pitch, almost back to back, turned into a dishonest excuse to spew bile and try poorly, to score points against people you disagree with politically.

timthumbni · 14-08-2020 12:09am

Bowie wrote: »

I can think of something far more pathetic.
A conversation about the poor timing and possible lack of understanding in posting on John Hume's passing and an advert for a BA recruitment pitch, almost back to back, turned into a dishonest excuse to spew bile and try poorly, to score points against people you disagree with politically.

So so called irish republicans haven’t been spewing bile against that wee girl?

Remember that Hume hated the IRA. She presents a reality show in the uk ffs. Who cares? Aside from republicans of the anal retentive type?

James Brown · 14-08-2020 12:35am

timthumbni wrote: »

So so called irish republicans haven’t been spewing bile against that wee girl?

Remember that Hume hated the IRA. She presents a reality show in the uk ffs. Who cares? Aside from republicans of the anal retentive type?

I've no idea likely some did.
.
Most were talking about the hume and BA recruitment tweets. Some yahoo insulting her suits your agenda.

You obviously do.
So are you a republican or an anal retentive type or both?

timthumbni · 14-08-2020 12:46am

[QUOTE=Bowie;114301487

republican or an anal retentive QUOTE]

Now there’s no point in bringing the Adams family into it. .

James Brown · 14-08-2020 12:48am

timthumbni wrote: »

[QUOTE=Bowie;114301487

republican or an anal retentive QUOTE]

Now there’s no point in bringing the Adams family into it. .

Correct. I suppose if you're desperate to win in whatever sad little game you're playing. You go get yourself a coke

jm08 · 14-08-2020 2:47pm

timthumbni wrote: »

So so called irish republicans haven’t been spewing bile against that wee girl?

Remember that Hume hated the IRA. She presents a reality show in the uk ffs. Who cares? Aside from republicans of the anal retentive type?

I don't think John Hume hated anyone. He certainly didn't have much time for the British Army, particularly when asking them to stop firing rubber bullets at peaceful demonstrators.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwBOUkBAO5s

expectationlost · 08-09-2020 11:42pm

Laura trying to claim scrutiny of her participation in a British Army recruitment campaign is sexism https://twitter.com/thewhitmore/status/1303174697073414149

the article is here https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/podcast-starring-laura-whitmore-was-recruitment-advert-for-british-army-mnfxfnd8t it is slightly pointless because you didn't need an FOI to know that she was participating in a British Army recruitment campaign. Im sure the Times knew it would get more clicks.

Edgware · 08-09-2020 11:48pm

end of the road wrote: »

oh but they haven't.
i have followed the posters across multiple threads discussing the northern irish liberation from sectarian rule, they have never justified civilian killings.

They mightnt have justified them but that didn't stop them doing them. Kingsmill, Birmingham, Warrington. What the **** did the scum think would happen?

James Brown · 08-09-2020 11:59pm

expectationlost wrote: »

Laura trying to claim scrutiny of her participation in a British Army recruitment campaign is sexism https://twitter.com/thewhitmore/status/1303174697073414149

the article is here https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/podcast-starring-laura-whitmore-was-recruitment-advert-for-british-army-mnfxfnd8t it is slightly pointless because you didn't need an FOI to know that she was participating in a British Army recruitment campaign Im sure the Times knew it would get more clicks.

Nobody is buying it. She's defending her take on an argument nobody made. Its simply spin to try pretend the Hume/BA recruitment issue was about sexism.

bitofabind · 09-09-2020 12:30pm

Piss poor response there from Whitmore. I don't know too much about marketing and PR, but I've worked in newspapers and the article is fairly standard journalism. Celebrity in hot water, claims ignorance about the nature of a controversial podcast, an FOI will sort this out. Publish results.

It's frankly bizarre that she wouldn't know this, with her own background in journalism. And to then lash out and throw the sexism card and start rambling about Catholic Church abuse and "but I announce when I'm getting paid for something" which all influencers are mandated to do is scraping the barrel stuff. When a simple "bit tone deaf, sorry" would help with the public image a hell of a lot more.

end of the road · 09-09-2020 12:39pm

Edgware wrote: »

They mightnt have justified them but that didn't stop them doing them. Kingsmill, Birmingham, Warrington. What the **** did the scum think would happen?

so those posters were now involved in the IRA and those killings?
absolutely laughable nonsense.
those posters have not ever justified civilian killings, that's just reality.

gmisk · 09-09-2020 10:46pm

expectationlost wrote: »

Laura trying to claim scrutiny of her participation in a British Army recruitment campaign is sexism https://twitter.com/thewhitmore/status/1303174697073414149

the article is here https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/podcast-starring-laura-whitmore-was-recruitment-advert-for-british-army-mnfxfnd8t it is slightly pointless because you didn't need an FOI to know that she was participating in a British Army recruitment campaign. Im sure the Times knew it would get more clicks.

To try and claim it is sexism is ridiculous.
If anything I think she got off lighter than a guy would have

expectationlost · 10-09-2020 11:29pm

still claiming she didn't know she it was an Army recruitment campaign.
https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2020/0909/1164118-laura-whitmore/
its really weird for somebody who does the work she does, not to know that ads aren't just words printed on a poster or newspaper anymore... that content are ads.

James Brown · 10-09-2020 11:39pm

expectationlost wrote: »

still claiming she didn't know she it was an Army recruitment campaign.
https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2020/0909/1164118-laura-whitmore/
its really weird for somebody who does the work she does, not to know that ads aren't just words printed on a poster or newspaper anymore... that content are ads.

Also she would have been given a contract and has people who look at such thing I'd imagine.

expectationlost · 10-09-2020 11:51pm

Bowie wrote: »

Also she would have been given a contract and has people who look at such thing I'd imagine.

production company says she was briefed she says she wasn't, but it just seems she doesn't understand why the army would pay to do a podcast...why else but for recruitment.

Fuascailteoir · 11-09-2020 12:03am

expectationlost wrote: »

production company says she was briefed she says she wasn't, but it just seems she doesn't understand why the army would pay to do a podcast...why else but for recruitment.

Her argument might be ever so slightly stronger if she hadn't used the #ad on her twitter to promote it. Not the sharpest

expectationlost · 11-09-2020 12:40am

Fuascailteoir wrote: »

Her argument might be ever so slightly stronger if she hadn't used the #ad on her twitter to promote it. Not the sharpest

and originally the #armyjobs

Laura Whitmore - British Army

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