Windows 10

54kroc · 05-10-2014 4:43pm

Stuxnet wrote: »

Ha I love the tone directed at me, like I was one silly end user. If you read my comment, this was directed at those that didn't bother to read the TOCs, No fear of me bucko, I am a root administrator on one of the worlds most powerful top 20 supercomputer clusters. You needn't urge me to do anything. You sound like a fanboy.

You sound very important, we're lucky to have you here.

vibe666 · 05-10-2014 4:57pm

Stuxnet wrote: »

Ha I love the tone directed at me, like I was one silly end user. If you read my comment, this was directed at those that didn't bother to read the TOCs, No fear of me bucko, I am a root administrator on one of the worlds most powerful top 20 supercomputer clusters. You needn't urge me to do anything. You sound like a fanboy.

hang on whilst i rustle you up a medal.

Zascar · 05-10-2014 8:47pm

I'm liking windows 10 so far. Seems super fast. I like the multitasking but not sure I like the Start menu, I was using Pokki or Start8 on Win 8 - find it much better. Maybe I just need to get used to it but after installing some programs I could not find them again. Had to go hunting in the c drive. I'm sure someone will come out with a better one anyway. I like the idea of the search, but not how it goes to Bing. The apps take a bit too long to load I find, I'd prefer to sue the browser. It does not really seem all that different to me - I need to find out about whats new and explore a bit

paulheu · 05-10-2014 8:50pm

That's good feedback and I mostly agree with it. Make sure you share it with MSFT!

I tried the start menu but went back to the start screen since yesterday as that works much better for me..

05-10-2014 9:30pm

paulheu wrote: »

I tried the start menu but went back to the start screen since yesterday as that works much better for me..

Glad to know I'm not the only one who thought this.

Overheal · 06-10-2014 3:13am

paulheu wrote: »

That's good feedback and I mostly agree with it. Make sure you share it with MSFT!

I tried the start menu but went back to the start screen since yesterday as that works much better for me..

Karsini wrote: »

Glad to know I'm not the only one who thought this.

06-10-2014 8:31am

I thought you of all people would have been somewhat okay with that. Going back to a Start menu after using the screen feels like a step backwards for me; so now I have to retrain myself to do things the old way again. Don't get me wrong because I probably will, but it's a bit of a pain that I tried to be progressive (for once, as I was a diehard XP supporter) and now have to work back again.

notmymark · 06-10-2014 9:04am

I installed W10 on a VM and have been using it on and off for the last few days. So far I have been impressed with the new features. MS seem to have hit their goal of combining the good from both W7 and W8 and adding a few new features. I am running it on a laptop so haven’t tried any of the tablet / convertible specific features yet.

Considering we are 6-12 months from an actual release, I was surprised at how stable the build is. I have tested about 75% of the programmes and applications that I use and what I have found so far is that if it worked with W8 then it works with W10 (not surprising since the backend is mostly the same).

The Start Menu is a welcome return. To my surprise the new Metro style section of it works well and is a good alternative to desktop shortcuts to commonly used apps. The Live Tiles look good for weather, news, etc. but I don’t see much use for them in enterprise.

The new Snapping features, windowed Modern Apps and Virtual Desktops are all amazing. There are a few small tweaks to be made (e.g. moving applications between desktops) but I assume they will be sorted in the final release.

My biggest con with the OS is the unavoidable confusion that will occur between Traditional "Desktop" and Modern "Metro" apps. There are 2 versions of Skype, VLC, Office soon, etc. and since Modern Apps can now be windowed this will only lead to confusion especially since features in both versions are not always equal.

Another big negative for me is the mess that is the Windows Store.

One thing they seem to have done nothing to fix is the fact that they still insist on having two areas for Settings (the Control Panel and the Modern style “Settings” app). Like above, the problem with this is they are not feature equal, again only leading to confusion among the end user.

All in all I think the OS is a definite step in the right direction. Going forward, MS really need to hit two more features for me to upgrade my network.

The first is the upgrade price has to be cheap if not free. I have no problem paying traditional pricing to upgrade my personal machine but for businesses I don’t think W10 is enough of an improvement over W7 to justify the any expense. Considering there are still business running XP I think they will feel that W7 is good enough (which it is).

The second point is they need to do away with all the different versions of the same OS. If you have features developed then why cripple your user by offering a reduced OS (W7 Starter, W7 HP, W8 Core, etc.). There should be just one version of the OS (maybe a second for enterprise). Encryption, Remote Desktop, VPN, Group Policies, etc. should all be available to all users out of the box.

Overheal · 06-10-2014 2:20pm

Karsini wrote: »

I thought you of all people would have been somewhat okay with that. Going back to a Start menu after using the screen feels like a step backwards for me; so now I have to retrain myself to do things the old way again. Don't get me wrong because I probably will, but it's a bit of a pain that I tried to be progressive (for once, as I was a diehard XP supporter) and now have to work back again.

Its not that Im not OK with it but it just feels bewildering given people were so adverse to the changes in start, saying "woah, I don't like this new start I miss the old start" now they are reverting to a more classic start and people are like "woah, I don't like this old start, I miss the new start"

NotInventedHere · 06-10-2014 2:23pm

Installing it now. I will report back soon.

paulheu · 06-10-2014 2:46pm

Overheal wrote: »

Its not that Im not OK with it but it just feels bewildering given people were so adverse to the changes in start, saying "woah, I don't like this new start I miss the old start" now they are reverting to a more classic start and people are like "woah, I don't like this old start, I miss the new start"

The point here is that the 'want the startmenu back' crowd is/was a rather vocal minority really but they caused enough problems with people blindly parroting them and too many people who do not even use WIN8 jumping on that trolling opportunity that it was causing some serious headaches for MSFT. I'm just happy they left us with a choice now to use the menu or not so that takes care of that..

06-10-2014 6:02pm

Overheal wrote: »

Its not that Im not OK with it but it just feels bewildering given people were so adverse to the changes in start, saying "woah, I don't like this new start I miss the old start" now they are reverting to a more classic start and people are like "woah, I don't like this old start, I miss the new start"

Well as I said previously, they're giving people what they want. Ever since Vista I opposed major changes to the UI (and you often tried to shoot down my criticism

) but with Windows 8.1 I decided not to work against the new UI but to work with it. So I find it a bit of a kick in the balls that now I'll probably have to go back to the old way. I honestly found that once I tweaked the Start screen to suit me, I didn't need a Start menu at all. When using Windows 8 systems with Start replacements I actually found that it hindered me a bit.

In any case, I'll probably go back to the Start menu eventually, because it'll make things easier when using other systems. It's definitely not a big deal.

PropJoe10 · 07-10-2014 12:39am

I suppose the 8/8.1 interface isnt all that different to the Unity desktop environment in Ubuntu. Once its set up with the shortcuts you yourself want, its pretty useful. Not for everyone, but definitely has its uses. Personally, I'm glad they are going back to the Start menu. Anything to keep the consumer happy and upgrading is worthwhile. Otherwise, we'll have another XP situation on our hands in a few years when support for Windows 7 ends.

Capt'n Midnight · 07-10-2014 9:25am

PropJoe10 wrote: »

I suppose the 8/8.1 interface isnt all that different to the Unity desktop environment in Ubuntu. Once its set up with the shortcuts you yourself want, its pretty useful. Not for everyone, but definitely has its uses. Personally, I'm glad they are going back to the Start menu. Anything to keep the consumer happy and upgrading is worthwhile. Otherwise, we'll have another XP situation on our hands in a few years when support for Windows 7 ends.

It's very similar to what happened with Netbook remix / Unity / Gnome 3, the main difference is that lots of people switched to Debian / Mint / Xfce / Lxde because they could.

Microsoft changed the UI after all this so they've no excuse, dropping the start menu was either ignorance or arrogance.

It's no real surprise that they don't foist the new desktops on server or corporate products first.

XP still has roughly twice the market share in corporate (23%) as windows 8 does. And that's down to compatibility, user interface, use of old hardware.

Still haven't tried 10, is there anything new under the bonnet ?

Capt'n Midnight · 07-10-2014 9:28am

Karsini wrote: »

The problem I could see with a rental model for Windows, such as with Office 365, is what would happen when you stop paying the subscription? Would the OS stop booting?

The SKY model is that you can't view anything you've saved unless it's covered by your current subscription. :pac:

bennyineire · 07-10-2014 8:49pm

I can't seem to get mine running in virtual box, I'm getting this error,

VT-x/AMD-V hardware acceleration is not available on your system. Certain guests (e.g. OS/2 and QNX) require this feature and will fail to boot without it.

And yep I know I'm supposed to turn on hyper-v in the BIOS but unfortunately my crappy 64bit processor doesn't support this.

So I downloaded the 32bit version of win 10 and I'm still getting this error, very strange because I have numeorus 32bit OS's running on virtual box such as win 7, ubuntu, server 2008 but win 10 32bit says no.

Anyone got any ideas

07-10-2014 9:26pm

bennyineire wrote: »

I can't seem to get mine running in virtual box, I'm getting this error,

VT-x/AMD-V hardware acceleration is not available on your system. Certain guests (e.g. OS/2 and QNX) require this feature and will fail to boot without it.

And yep I know I'm supposed to turn on hyper-v in the BIOS but unfortunately my crappy 64bit processor doesn't support this.

So I downloaded the 32bit version of win 10 and I'm still getting this error, very strange because I have numeorus 32bit OS's running on virtual box such as win 7, ubuntu, server 2008 but win 10 32bit says no.

Anyone got any ideas

You need to enable NX/XD in the BIOS for the 32-bit version to boot. May also need to enable it in your VM settings. Same as Windows 8 too.

_Kaiser_ · 08-10-2014 9:56am

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

The SKY model is that you can't view anything you've saved unless it's covered by your current subscription. :pac:

I'd imagine it'd work a bit like it does if you haven't activated it - nag screens and ultimately restricted functionality.. maybe it'll refuse to go online or something, or not save anything etc

OkeyDoke12 · 08-10-2014 7:23pm

I downloaded a copy of win 10 from the Microsoft website now my desktop looks awful it's all zoomed in and the display quality is terrible. How can I "unzoom" it?

notmymark · 08-10-2014 8:11pm

OkeyDoke12 wrote: »

I downloaded a copy of win 10 from the Microsoft website now my desktop looks awful it's all zoomed in and the display quality is terrible. How can I "unzoom" it?

Right click the Desktop and change the Screen Resolution.

danger_mouse_tm · 08-10-2014 8:39pm

bennyineire wrote: »

I can't seem to get mine running in virtual box, I'm getting this error,

VT-x/AMD-V hardware acceleration is not available on your system. Certain guests (e.g. OS/2 and QNX) require this feature and will fail to boot without it.

And yep I know I'm supposed to turn on hyper-v in the BIOS but unfortunately my crappy 64bit processor doesn't support this.

So I downloaded the 32bit version of win 10 and I'm still getting this error, very strange because I have numeorus 32bit OS's running on virtual box such as win 7, ubuntu, server 2008 but win 10 32bit says no.

Anyone got any ideas

I had the same problem too with this lenovo x201 even though all the options one would think one needs are checked in the bios. Just for pig iron try running your VM in VM player and report back.

danger_mouse_tm · 08-10-2014 8:45pm

OkeyDoke12 wrote: »

I downloaded a copy of win 10 from the Microsoft website now my desktop looks awful it's all zoomed in and the display quality is terrible. How can I "unzoom" it?

your resolution is off. Best way to sort it is just do a google search on your monitor or laptop with "resolution" as one of the keywords and see what it says. often times when I create a virtual machine (computer inside a computer) I have to check back with the "host" (main computer) and just see what the original resolution is. So, for example I right click on my desktop and go to the second last option which is "screen resolution" and it's set to "THINKPAD 1280 x 800 I know now to go to my virtual computer and change it to that. If you can't get it let us know exactly what hardware you are using and someone can tell you the proper settings to use.

OkeyDoke12 · 09-10-2014 7:39pm

Football Manager 2014 is running really slow since I changed to Windows 10.

200motels · 09-10-2014 11:36pm

A plausible explanation of why they skipped no 9.
http://www.cnet.com/news/is-this-why-microsoft-named-it-windows-10/

Spudzzmurphy · 10-10-2014 1:37pm

danger_mouse_tm wrote: »

your resolution is off. Best way to sort it is just do a google search on your monitor or laptop with "resolution" as one of the keywords and see what it says. often times when I create a virtual machine (computer inside a computer) I have to check back with the "host" (main computer) and just see what the original resolution is. So, for example I right click on my desktop and go to the second last option which is "screen resolution" and it's set to "THINKPAD 1280 x 800 I know now to go to my virtual computer and change it to that. If you can't get it let us know exactly what hardware you are using and someone can tell you the proper settings to use.

With me I had to change the refresh rate from 60hz to 40hz on my media card.

bennyineire · 10-10-2014 11:25pm

danger_mouse_tm wrote: »

I had the same problem too with this lenovo x201 even though all the options one would think one needs are checked in the bios. Just for pig iron try running your VM in VM player and report back.

Yep I ran it on VM player and it worked a charm

bennyineire · 13-10-2014 2:46pm

Hey peps, this maybe a silly question but I wanted to check to be sure.
If I dual boot my Win 7 machine with win 10 is there any chance that having Win 10 on my machine can funk up the whole machine.
So obviously I would create a separate partition for the Win 10 OS, this should mean that if Win 10 decides to barf itself that this will have no affect on my Win 7 partition.
I have win 10 running of VM player which is grand and all but I would like to install it for real and use it as a primary OS. Then I can leave win 7 for my data and other such things.

Capt'n Midnight · 13-10-2014 5:15pm

bennyineire wrote: »

Hey peps, this maybe a silly question but I wanted to check to be sure.
If I dual boot my Win 7 machine with win 10 is there any chance that having Win 10 on my machine can funk up the whole machine

It's highly unlikely but on your own head be it.

They are making it available precisely so if there is a showstopper like that then it's your machine affected rather than a production machine from a paying customer.

If you can't face doing a full system backup and restore or reinstall from scratch then you should really stick to VM's.

bennyineire · 13-10-2014 5:22pm

I've no problem doing reinstall/install, I've done countless ones over the last 2 years, easy peasy really. So the only thing I need to worry about is my data which I've moved to my PC about a month ago.
So I guess I'll just go for it so

ryanch09 · 17-10-2014 7:00pm

I took the plunge and upgraded all my systems to Windows 10 earlier this week, have to say it runs very well for being in Beta. I haven't seen a trace of the Start Screen (thank goodness) as they seem to have hidden it fairly well for those without touch screen. After removing all the modern apps that were uninstallable I have the Start Menu set up the way I want. It still doesn't compare with the Windows 7 Start Menu, so they still have a bit of work to do.

I haven't seen any crashes yet, I've used Visual Studio, Dreamweaver, Office 2013 along with a few games like Shadow of Mordor, Skyrim and some Valve games on it and they've all run flawlessly.

It boots up very quickly on my Momentus XT hard drive(yeah, the hybrid SSD/mechanical hard drive). It boots to the login screen in about 5-10 seconds usually, and everything loads up fairly snappy.

So I'll be hanging onto it for a while for now, as I haven't seen any problems with it, and it gets rid of most of the gripes I had about Windows 8.x. It could still do with some improvements, but I'm hoping Microsoft will deliver with the final release.

54kroc · 22-10-2014 6:01pm

Anyone having problems updating to the latest build?
I keep getting an error, I had a look at the registry fix on line but still no luck.

unkel · 22-10-2014 11:00pm

Was flawless for me

Anyone wondering what we're on about: this was a major upgrade to the initial version of Windows 10 build 9841 to build 9860. Took about an hour on my machine from downloading to installing, including 4 reboots

Apparently there are 7,000 fixes, etc. included in this new build

Everything seems to be fine for me. Posting from it now.

54kroc · 22-10-2014 11:55pm

I keep getting failed to download and the error code 0x80246017.
Might give it until tomorrow evening, then just delete the vm and reinstall.

BopNiblets · 23-10-2014 1:04am

I like 8.1 without classic shell (*gasps*), what the menu does or looks like is of no concern to me as I spend about half a second on it whenever I do use it
Win key + type a few letters then hit enter and it's gone.

Classic Shell is for nubs! :pac:

Using Windows 10 menu will be no different.

unkel · 23-10-2014 10:36am

54kroc wrote: »

I keep getting failed to download and the error code 0x80246017.
Might give it until tomorrow evening, then just delete the vm and reinstall.

Ah I didn't realise you were using a vm. Mine is my main PC, I always upgrade it to the latest and greatest from Redmond as soon as any preview is out

Good luck with the upgrade!

OkeyDoke12 · 23-10-2014 8:22pm

Windows 10 is not running smoothly on my laptop.

How do I revert back to Windows 7?

Fysh · 24-10-2014 10:16am

OkeyDoke12 wrote: »

Windows 10 is not running smoothly on my laptop.

How do I revert back to Windows 7?

That depends entirely on what kind of backups you created before installing Windows 10. (With the best option being "I installed Windows 10 to a different physical disk", because that means the reversion process amounts to "1. Remove disk with Windows 10 installed. 2. Add disk with Windows 7 installed.")

If you didn't create bare-metal-restorable backups before installing Windows 10 for whatever reason, you get back to Windows 7 by manually backing up all your data from the Windows 10 install to a separate disk (eg USB external drive) and doing a clean install of Windows 7 from optical media. You could maybe try Windows Easy Transfer to back up your user profile and settings, but I wouldn't bet on it having backwards compatibility - my experience is that it's only really designed for forward migrations.

unkel · 28-10-2014 12:43am

OkeyDoke12 wrote: »

Windows 10 is not running smoothly on my laptop.

What seems to be the problem? Have you applied the major upgrade that brings Window 10 to build 9860?

testicle · 28-10-2014 12:58am

Is it just me or does Flash not work at all in IE in this Tech Preview?

unkel · 28-10-2014 6:37pm

It's you! Flash is working fine for me in IE11 in build 9860

Are you running version 15.0.0.189? This one supports all the major browsers

testicle · 28-10-2014 8:49pm

Perhaps if I installed Flash it would help!

200motels · 28-10-2014 8:53pm

testicle wrote: »

Perhaps if I installed Flash it would help!

Flash is built in to IE11 with 10, it's like Chrome.

testicle · 28-10-2014 8:54pm

Indeed it is, so why the fock doesn't it work...

testicle · 28-10-2014 8:59pm

A-ha! I had ActiveX Filtering enabled somehow.

joeKel73 · 01-11-2014 12:56am

My laptop is grinding to a stop and needs to be wiped clean at this stage but I've lost my DVD of Win 7.

How stable is Win10 looking? Would it be reliable enough for everyday use?

54kroc · 01-11-2014 1:10am

J o e wrote: »

My laptop is grinding to a stop and needs to be wiped clean at this stage but I've lost my DVD of Win 7.

How stable is Win10 looking? Would it be reliable enough for everyday use?

It's very stable imo, definitely worth a go.
If you still have your key for win 7 you should be able to download an image, I can pm you a proper (not dodgy) link if you want.

joeKel73 · 02-11-2014 1:36pm

Downloaded the ISO and trying to install Win10 but getting a strange stripey screen when booting from the DVD. Anybody seen this before?

joeKel73 · 02-11-2014 3:38pm

Seems it was a dodgy burn using InfraRecorder. Burned another DVD with the windows tool and verified; installing fine now.

unkel · 02-11-2014 10:56pm

Pretty stable, although I have had one crash since installing it 5 weeks ago (was fine after auto reboot)

Do bear in mind it will only work until 17/04/2015 and it is not guaranteed that there will be an upgrade path to another version of Windows 10 from there!

OkeyDoke12 · 06-11-2014 6:27pm

unkel wrote: »

What seems to be the problem? Have you applied the major upgrade that brings Window 10 to build 9860?

Yes the major upgrade to build 9860 seems to be the problem. Its quite hard to explain but anytime I hover over text the text goes fuzzy and it looks like a spoiler tag. I can't even use the laptop

Windows 10

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