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Cormac O hEadhra/ Saturday View RTE

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭alaimacerc


    BarryD2 wrote: »
    Can't see McCarthy back as a guest anytime soon...

    How bad.

    I guess he's a reliable enough turn if what you want is good old-fashioned reactionary economics, delivered in as grumpy and self-important manner as possible. And evidently quite a few people do!


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭alaimacerc


    Listened to it under Cormac O hEadhra for the first time today. Thought he was excellent. Too often politicians are given excessive time to give banal political platitudes and allowed to control the interview. Not so with O hEadhra.
    I think as a very general rule of thumb, that maybe works better with one-on-one interviews. (Or as Vinnie B used to do, have multiple guests, but move ponderously slowly between them, rather than having them all chime in on every question.) When they're mob-handed, as on this show, it can frequently turn into audio carnage.
    I agree with the poster above saying he probably has to answer for the frequent interruptions between the guests, perhaps because when he abruptly moves on from a guest, they are left feeling they weren’t fully heard and are therefore prone to interrupt.

    And I'm sure too the old saw applies about children never listening to their elders, but also never failing to imitate them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 199 ✭✭Conor84


    Just wondered if Cormac is still hosting this show?

    The last few times I have listened (including today) it has been Katie Hannon since she finished covering for Sarah McInerney in the Late Debate - Cormac;s old show.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,521 ✭✭✭Topgear on Dave


    The left, the hard left and the left overs on explaining why Leo got destroyed in the local elections last week.

    "Voters waiting in the long grass"


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    The left, the hard left and the left overs on explaining why Leo got destroyed in the local elections last week.

    "Voters waiting in the long grass"

    Karen devine is the quintessential arrogant socialist academic, blathering on about some GOP thing in the usa, as if it had any relevance to here, then when the FG TD tells her she doesn't know what she is talking about after she ends her long winded lecture, she is incredulous


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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Conor84 wrote: »
    Just wondered if Cormac is still hosting this show?

    The last few times I have listened (including today) it has been Katie Hannon since she finished covering for Sarah McInerney in the Late Debate - Cormac;s old show.

    O headra has an appalling left wing bias, even for RTE


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,703 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    Karen devine is the quintessential arrogant socialist academic, blathering on about some GOP thing in the usa, as if it had any relevance to here, then when the FG TD tells her she doesn't know what she is talking about after she ends her long winded lecture, she is incredulous

    I remember she popped up on The Late Debate a couple of years back I think.

    She gave a display of bad manners and disrespect that was unbelievable and virtually unchallenged for some reason.

    Can't remember who was presenting that night.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    padd b1975 wrote: »
    I remember she popped up on The Late Debate a couple of years back I think.

    She gave a display of bad manners and disrespect that was unbelievable and virtually unchallenged for some reason.

    Can't remember who was presenting that night.

    The type who's only experience of anything was had in a college lecture hall


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Almost choked on my fish fingers earlier when Cormac O'hEadhra, normally a pillar of sense in a gale of nonsense, mused whether the pressure of the Leaving Cert was causing children to take up crack cocaine.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,054 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Never heard such crap as was on today’s Jun15 show.

    Teachers.... McHugh goes to to Dubai to talk to them informally.

    WTF is wrong with that ....talking to people ... asking them questions.

    How in Gods name can you find out what the issues for them is if you don’t engage with people..

    (I know what the issues are, they are a bunch of greedy folk who think the taxpayer should bankrupt the country to ensure they were kept happy)

    But that’s just me.

    Then you had that tool Chambers interrupting and trying to take over the discussion, happy in the knowledge he wouldn’t have to implement anything.


    Not easy listening folk, then Lonergan getting worked up .... Jaysus we all know if we had unlimited finance how to ‘solve’ a problem.

    The trick is to be able to distribute a L I M I T E D supply of money in the fairest way possible, and get bang for your buck.

    If the teachers want to stay in Dubai, let them stay in Dubai... if they would like to come back, let’s try to help them, otherwise let’s make it easy for others who want to work as teachers in Ireland to do so.

    That’s all McHugh was scoping out, that’s the lads job FFS.

    Jeez....


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,648 ✭✭✭honeybear


    Guest repeatedly saying “right”


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jim Wilson (UUP) huffing and puffing trying to defend the indefensible bigoted bonfires in Northern Ireland at the moment.

    Why anybody wants to reclaim that province of hatred and ill-will, I can't understand.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,521 ✭✭✭Topgear on Dave


    BBC radio Ulster briefly comes to RTE radio one.

    * Don't talk over each other or the lady lads.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,054 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Jeez, listening to this today especially Coppinger.

    Solution to everything- throw money at it.

    Whose money!!!!

    Not her support base!!


    What a tube.


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jeez, listening to this today especially Coppinger.

    Solution to everything- throw money at it.

    Whose money!!!!

    Not her support base!!


    What a tube.
    She gave a clear answer to that, which I believe was costed by the Department of Finance or the ESRI

    She gave two possible sources of new funding which would not affect 95% of households.

    A tax of 1% on assets worth over 1 million euro, which she has said would bring in 3.25 billion euro per annum.

    She also suggested a financial transaction tax of 0.1%, which would raise 600 million euro per annum.

    These are fairly mainstream proposals, some of which are already in existence in other EU countries with centre/ centre-right Governments. Maybe Fine Gael could find out more by making various inquiries with their party colleagues in the EPP.

    Just a suggestion.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,054 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    She gave a clear answer to that, which I believe was costed by the Department of Finance or the ESRI

    She gave two possible sources of new funding which would not affect 95% of households.

    A tax of 1% on assets worth over 1 million euro, which she has said would bring in 3.25 billion euro per annum.

    She also suggested a financial transaction tax of 0.1%, which would raise 600 million euro per annum.

    These are fairly mainstream proposals, some of which are already in existence in other EU countries with centre/ centre-right Governments. Maybe Fine Gael could find out more by making various inquiries with their party colleagues in the EPP.

    Just a suggestion.

    That’s what I said... throw money at everything:confused:

    No doubt she has taken the possible consequences and unintended consequences into consideration.....:eek:


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That’s what I said... throw money at everything:confused:

    No doubt she has taken the possible consequences and unintended consequences into consideration.....:eek:

    I'm not sure there would be fatal or maybe even noticeable cost associated with a Financial Transaction Tax. If anything, it might discourage undesirable market activities, such as speculative attacks and short-selling. Some of the most stable economies in Europe have FTTs, for example Sweden, Belgium and France.

    Not a particularly crazy proposal.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,054 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    I'm not sure there would be fatal or maybe even noticeable cost associated with a Financial Transaction Tax. If anything, it might discourage undesirable market activities, such as speculative attacks and short-selling. Some of the most stable economies in Europe have FTTs, for example Sweden, Belgium and France.

    Not a particularly crazy proposal.

    Yes had a point there, agree.

    However advocating tax increases on folk who already pay a very large percentage of the total tax is fraught with danger.

    I would have much more respect if she advocated a broadening of the tax base where most pay something, however small.

    But that’s just me.


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes had a point there, agree.

    However advocating tax increases on folk who already pay a very large percentage of the total tax is fraught with danger.

    I would have much more respect if she advocated a broadening of the tax base where most pay something, however small.

    But that’s just me.
    I agree. If the socialists in this country had any long term vision, they'd agree too. The poorest households pay almost no direct taxes. Not only does this artificially suppress Exchequer receipts, it gives them no visible stake in society. Approximately 1 in 3 workers pays no tax, whilst about 10% of workers pay about 50% of income tax. That is not sustainable nor ideal. Firstly because everyone should pay something, secondly because there is a limit to the taxes that can be levied on higher-income earners before they cease doing additional work or cease expanding their commercial operations.

    There is no real socialism in Ireland, and Coppinger isn't one. Marx had no time for people who didn't contribute, and in fact he envisaged a society where everyone would be obliged to contribute, and would eventually feel themselves compelled to contribute.

    I don't know how socialists like Coppinger have somehow distorted this into a "someone else can pay" mentality. That's not socialism, that's shirking.

    In case anyone thinks I'm calling lower-income households shirkers, that's not it at all. All that is needed is a small contribution, maybe as low as 5% effective. That means someone on 16k part time job paying 15 euro a week. A fair ask, considering what improvements might arise in health and social-care provisions, eg housing and childcare.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,054 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    I agree. If the socialists in this country had any long term vision, they'd agree too. The poorest households pay almost no direct taxes. Not only does this artificially suppress Exchequer receipts, it gives them no visible stake in society. Approximately 1 in 3 workers pays no tax, whilst about 10% of workers pay about 50% of income tax. That is not sustainable nor ideal. Firstly because everyone should pay something, secondly because there is a limit to the taxes that can be levied on higher-income earners before they cease doing additional work or cease expanding their commercial operations.

    There is no real socialism in Ireland, and Coppinger isn't one. Marx had no time for people who didn't contribute, and in fact he envisaged a society where everyone would be obliged to contribute, and would eventually feel themselves compelled to contribute.

    I don't know how socialists like Coppinger have somehow distorted this into a "someone else can pay" mentality. That's not socialism, that's shirking.

    In case anyone thinks I'm calling lower-income households shirkers, that's not it at all. All that is needed is a small contribution, maybe as low as 5% effective. That means someone on 16k part time job paying 15 euro a week. A fair ask, considering what improvements might arise in health and social-care provisions, eg housing and childcare.

    Correct and it gives people a stake in their own country, however small,not for all, as there will always be some who won’t buy in, but there’s a fair chance that quite a few would adopt a different outlook.

    Unintended consequences can occur if the so called ‘rich’ are squeezed too tightly something Coppinger doesn’t seem to worry too much about.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,128 ✭✭✭plodder


    That was an interesting discussion.
    Yes had a point there, agree.

    However advocating tax increases on folk who already pay a very large percentage of the total tax is fraught with danger.
    It always struck me that a wealth tax, which we kind of already have, but just on houses, would be more palatable if it was sold as a re-balancing measure, where you reduced the top level of income tax at the same time, so that it would be neutral for most/many people. But, the practical difficulties are something that the likes of RC don't have to deal with, eg. the claim that accountancy costs could end up being as much as the tax payable itself for many people, or that people will move financial assets offshore to escape the tax.
    I would have much more respect if she advocated a broadening of the tax base where most pay something, however small.
    Would agree with that completely.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,054 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    They are going on again on this show about the HSE and trollies and beds and stuff.

    When will those in power realise this will never, repeat never, change ,unless the issue is de polititicised..

    Has to be tackled on an all party basis, then they can take on the vested interests and stop trying to blame each other while the vested interests sit back laughing.

    How long has this ball of shyte going on.....you now have Chambers and Doherty slugging it out on RTE and the unions and vested interests are laughing.....

    Who is in fuhhherking charge here......


  • Registered Users Posts: 748 ✭✭✭EmptyTree


    Normally I quite enjoy Cormac, but today's show is so full of aggressive shock tactic soundbite line of questioning it really is ridiculous. Some very poor stuff today.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Cormac is another insufferable RTE leftie who's default position is to tie crime to "disadvantage", fifty years ago when far more people were poor, there was no widespread culture of delinquency like today.let alone gangland feuds across the land

    We have been listening to the left blathering about inequality and other crap for decades, why have these people been allowed frame discourse when their record is so abysmal?

    Our soft justice system is the sole cause of the country's problem with violence, thuggery and a growing culture of delinquency


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,054 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    Cormac is another insufferable RTE leftie who's default position is to tie crime to "disadvantage", fifty years ago when far more people were poor, there was no widespread culture of delinquency like today.let alone gangland feuds across the land

    We have been listening to the left blathering about inequality and other crap for decades, why have these people been allowed frame discourse when their record is so abysmal?

    Our soft justice system is the sole cause of the country's problem with violence, thuggery and a growing culture of delinquency

    Im afraid you are correct ,the left need to understand that the ‘generic response’ to not doing well is to resort to crime.

    Should encourage folk to work for themselves and less of the entitlement culture.

    Need to ask folk why they are in the positions they are in....


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Im afraid you are correct ,the left need to understand that the ‘generic response’ to not doing well is to resort to crime.

    Should encourage folk to work for themselves and less of the entitlement culture.

    Need to ask folk why they are in the positions they are in....

    the worst part is the staggering arrogance , the left still demand that their solutions are the best and must be implemented

    cormac o headrha admonished FG for implementing austerity post 2011 , as if to unequivocally conclude that this gangland crime epedemic can be directly traced to that

    as einstein said

    " doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result is the definition of madness "


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,367 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    "Your interruptions are a wee bit desperate, Pascal [Donohoe]"
    - Pearse Doherty


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,703 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    zell12 wrote: »
    "Your interruptions are a wee bit desperate, Pascal [Donohoe]"
    - Pearse Doherty

    Nice line.

    Looking more and more likely he's going to be on the other side of the whitewash and do a bit more than sniping.

    Interesting times ahead.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,367 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Just heard the FGer Helen McEntee repeating the slogan 'Up the RA' there :D


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,433 ✭✭✭touts


    Mick Barry already calling for people to take to the streets to demand socialist government.

    Strangely I don't remember the socialists winning the election. But hey democracy has never been the strong point of socialists.


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