Star Trek Discovery Season 3 episode 2- That Hope is You, Part 2

CastorTroy · 26-10-2020 11:20pm

How could you forget Tilly?

McGiver · 27-10-2020 8:45am

CastorTroy wrote:

How could you forget Tilly?

Sorry, so it's even worse - 2 more...

Goodshape · 27-10-2020 11:44am

Wasn't there a black woman doing some doctoring in a few episodes? I got a slight impression that she was the CMO, but honestly I don't know?

Goodshape · 27-10-2020 11:47am

McGiver wrote: »

Sorry, so it's even worse - 2 more...

There's a couple of other new characters for season 3 which were publicised, though we haven't seen them yet. Don't think you included those.

This site lists 19 new or returning characters for Season 3: https://screenrant.com/star-trek-discovery-season-3-cast-character-guide/

27-10-2020 11:55am

I enjoyed the episode, even Georghiu as she is forcing Saru to define his morals (given his dramatic change recently, this is a good thing) but, I imagine there will come a time where he will have to let her cut loose to "get things done"

Episode chugged along nicely and had me rooting for the crew to get the ship moving, then they F*cking ruin it all by having super Michael appear and save the day.
Seriously like; could they not give the crew ONE standalone win?

Sleepy · 27-10-2020 2:05pm

I really enjoyed this one - a proper ensemble episode and one of Discovery's strongest until the very last scene when they couldn't help but ruin it with Mary Sue arriving to save the day at the last possible second...

27-10-2020 2:24pm

Just on this...

Was the episode completely redundant?
Everything the crew did was pointless, in the end, with Michael saving the day. Their actions did not save the ship, the information they gathered will be useless as Michael knows more of current time, and the ship will be able to get immediate upgrades based on Michael/Book alliance.

Rawr · 27-10-2020 2:27pm

Sleepy wrote: »

I really enjoyed this one - a proper ensemble episode and one of Discovery's strongest until the very last scene when they couldn't help but ruin it with Mary Sue arriving to save the day at the last possible second...

That's the thing, right up until that point, it did feel like I was watching some Trek. It wasn't the best Trek in the world, it wasn't as fun as Lower Decks...but it still felt like I was watching a bit of Trek....until the end.

On reflection that ending is sort of a metaphor of how I feel Discovery is set apart from other Trek, and alas not in a good way.

Take a recent example, the last episode of Lower Decks. This show felt more like Trek compared to most of what I've seen in the last 20 years, and final episode produced a crisis that was ultimately resolved by the whole group working together to save themselves. It wasn't simply Mariner being singled out as a savior, and although she had done lot it was clear that the victory was a shared effort.

The end of this episode nearly had that too. Saru leads the crew in a shared effort to save themselves from doom. It had the making of a textbook Trek ending to a textbook Trek episode. But then at the last moment...Micheal swoops in and saves the day...negating almost all of the crew's efforts so far. Saru didn't save them, the crew didn't save themselves, it was all bloodly Micheal. They could have just sat there and waited for her to turn up and rescue them.

Therein lives my problem with this show. Micheal is written into the DNA of it, to the extent that All Roads lead to Burnham. I still believe that a character-centric Trek show could work...but not the way they have done it, and not with Micheal Burnham. This alas is why my hope for this Season is already so low.

I hope to be wrong, but my gut says I won't be.

Spear · 27-10-2020 3:51pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Just on this...

Was the episode completely redundant?
Everything the crew did was pointless, in the end, with Michael saving the day. Their actions did not save the ship, the information they gathered will be useless as Michael knows more of current time, and the ship will be able to get immediate upgrades based on Michael/Book alliance.

I made the same comment previously, but something small niggles me after it.

The miners end up with Zerah's ship. I'm wondering if this is pointing towards there being a knock on from this down the line, much as was the case with season 2.

27-10-2020 3:57pm

Spear wrote: »

I made the same comment previously, but something small niggles me after it.

The miners end up with Zerah's ship. I'm wondering if this is pointing towards there being a knock on from this down the line, much as was the case with season 2.

That's the only difference I can see with Discovery being there, that and the dilithium trading (plus a dead potential ally).

But that was a side event to the main story, of the episode, with all the character interactions etc to overcome such a dangerous situation ultimately failing and needing Super M to save the day (again)

And 1 year is not a long time Michael...

Evade · 27-10-2020 3:58pm

Another possible repercussion is Zerah, and the miners if they believe him, know the Dicovery time traveled and that could come up in the future.

27-10-2020 3:58pm

This episode actually annoys me. I've been disappointed by them before but this one pisses me off. There was absolutely no bloody reason for the tractor bean save, at the end.

CramCycle · 27-10-2020 4:13pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Just on this...

Was the episode completely redundant?
Everything the crew did was pointless, in the end, with Michael saving the day. Their actions did not save the ship, the information they gathered will be useless as Michael knows more of current time, and the ship will be able to get immediate upgrades based on Michael/Book alliance.

I think Michael couldn't find them until they fixed the thingy ma jiggy for communication, at which point she could find them.

Evade · 27-10-2020 4:15pm

CramCycle wrote: »

I think Michael couldn't find them until they fixed the thingy ma jiggy for communication, at which point she could find them.

If that's the case she got there very quickly unless she's already found a slipstream/transwarp/other ship making the Discovery redundant.

FutureGuy · 27-10-2020 4:18pm

Evade wrote: »

If that's the case she got there very quickly unless she's already found a slipstream/transwarp/other ship making the Discovery redundant.

DASH drive is way faster than transwarp.

readyletsgo · 27-10-2020 4:23pm

Pointless episode TBH.
Could be boiled down to 10mins, 5 Mins in that 'bar' and the last 5 mins.

This show is very hit and miss for me.

I thought Tilly was going to get into a relationship with that guy in the 'bar', which would have been a great (and obvious, badly needed) character development for her. But no, hes shot, dead. 'She dont need no man' I guess.

27-10-2020 4:36pm

Evade wrote: »

If that's the case she got there very quickly unless she's already found a slipstream/transwarp/other ship making the Discovery redundant.

Still needs dilithium though, yeah?

So SPORE drive is back in play...

Evade · 27-10-2020 4:39pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Still needs dilithium though, yeah?

So SPORE drive is back in play...

Slipstream doesn't but benemite used to be rarer than dilithium.

SimonTemplar · 27-10-2020 6:23pm

I missed most of season 2. Do I need to have seen that season to start with season 3 or does season 3 start with a new storyline?

Rawr · 27-10-2020 6:34pm

SimonTemplar wrote: »

I missed most of season 2. Do I need to have seen that season to start with season 3 or does season 3 start with a new storyline?

You might actually get away with not watching Season 2.
Stuff happens that mean they have to go into the future....that's about it...

....also Micheal....it's important that you remember Micheal....

27-10-2020 6:45pm

Yeah once you know they went to the future then it’s a blank slate, could easily skip 2.

ilovesmybrick · 27-10-2020 7:12pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Yeah once you know they went to the future then it’s a blank slate, could easily skip 2.

I'd say watching the last two or three episodes of season two would be a help. Will save a lot of "but wait, what the f is happening now" once they start explaining to future people what went on. I'd say the mother will probably pop up later in the season, so that explainer would be a help.

Padre_Pio · 27-10-2020 7:13pm

Rawr wrote: »

You might actually get away with not watching Season 2.
Stuff happens that mean they have to go into the future....that's about it...

....also Micheal....it's important that you remember Micheal....

Michael.

Every time it's spelled Micheal, I think of an Irish farmer.

Micheàl Burnham :pac:

AMKC · 27-10-2020 7:16pm

Seen online that Airium might be in season 3 some how. Some here saying that season 3 is a clean slate and all you need to know is they went to the future but maybe you might want to know about her too. I will not spoil it but she was in the first two seasons and is not in the 3rd one yet so just saying.

pixelburp · 27-10-2020 7:21pm

AMKC wrote: »

Seen online that Airium might be in season 3 some how. Some here saying that season 3 is a clean slate and all you need to know is they went to the future but maybe you might want to know about her too. I will not spoil it but she was in the first two seasons and is not in the 3rd one yet so just saying.

She already was, technically. The actor who played her was briefly in episode 2, paying the blond ensign who had an exchange with (IIRC) Jet

AMKC · 27-10-2020 7:49pm

pixelburp wrote: »

She already was, technically. The actor who played her was briefly in episode 2, paying the blond ensign who had an exchange with (IIRC) Jet

Awe cool. Will have to check that out again.

CramCycle · 27-10-2020 7:59pm

I'd watch the Aerium episode, she was by far the best character and we only found that out in that episode. It also showed they have the capability to write, act, direct etc.

27-10-2020 8:04pm

Also, don't forget about Michael

TheValeyard · 27-10-2020 9:34pm

Sleepy wrote: »

I really enjoyed this one - a proper ensemble episode and one of Discovery's strongest until the very last scene when they couldn't help but ruin it with Mary Sue arriving to save the day at the last possible second...

Thw reaction of the bridge crew was so embarrassing.

OMG its Michael!!

GASP! Its Michael!!!!!

*hand covers mouth* Michael is back, we're saved!!

CramCycle · 27-10-2020 9:39pm

TheValeyard wrote: »

Thw reaction of the bridge crew was so embarrassing.

OMG its Michael!!

GASP! Its Michael!!!!!

*hand covers mouth* Michael is back, we're saved!!

If I was one of the lower decks crew, who agreed to go forward so they could skip out on stuff but have no record of it ever happen, dying a hero in the minds of everyone, all I would be thinking is, zero f*cks about Micheal, so long as we are alive because f*ck me if I dodged my sh1tty old life to walk into to the arms of death.

Mr Meanor · 27-10-2020 9:44pm

pixelburp wrote: »

The show has always lacked a purpose, shackled by its previous setting. The question now is if the show can commit to it's vision.

Actually, question to the real nerds: has this time period ever featured? I guess not in the l TV series, but thinking of the various spin off media.

Star Trek Voyager, 'Futures End' Pt1 & 2. 26th, 29th and 31st century, time travel, time ships.. how did they (Starfleet) not pick this up in future years?
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Timeship

This isn't a canon issue it is a puerile writing issue.

McGiver · 27-10-2020 10:13pm

CastorTroy wrote:

How could you forget Tilly?

Maybe unconsciously.

I'd loved Tilly in the seasons prior, they tried to develop the character as sort of novice underdog who no one takes seriously but she succeeds by failing and trying again and again. And tried to make her a humorous character and insert some jokes. All treks had a humorous character sort of so I think they tried to replicate it.

However, at this stage and in this particular episode, I felt it was sort of repetitive and not that humorous anymore because it wasn't original. Don't know if it was the script, the acting or the directing. I'll watch it again maybe I wasn't paying attention.

Rawr · 27-10-2020 10:13pm

Mr Meanor wrote: »

Star Trek Voyager, 'Futures End' Pt1 & 2. 26th, 29th and 31st century, time travel, time ships.. how did they (Starfleet) not pick this up in future years?
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Timeship

This isn't a canon issue it is a puerile writing issue.

It looked like the 29th Century Starfleet were as adapt with timeline management as the Krenim Imperium. It seems odd that they didn't see something like The Burn coming and prevented it from happening.

Although I guess there's every chance of them screwing up...maybe even *causing* The Burn....

The White Wolf · 30-10-2020 9:05pm

That ending montage of Michael reuniting with the crew was quite cringey. I get it's been a year for them but for the viewer it was one episode and came across as quite naff.

This show has a very weird vibe which I can't put my finger on. If you asked me what the purpose was of the previous series' I could give a decent answer even for Enterprise but for this one I'm genuinely lost.

AMKC · 30-10-2020 9:23pm

The White Wolf wrote: »

That ending montage of Michael reuniting with the crew was quite cringey. I get it's been a year for them but for the viewer it was one episode and came across as quite naff.

This show has a very weird vibe which I can't put my finger on. If you asked me what the purpose was of the previous series' I could give a decent answer even for Enterprise but for this one I'm genuinely lost.

Agreed and 1year is not even that long. It should have been 10 years and she should not have appeared for at least two episodes.

lapua20grain · 31-10-2020 8:16am

It's the Burnham show as far as I can see everyone else is incidental

31-10-2020 8:23am

lapua20grain wrote: »

It's the Burnham show as far as I can see everyone else is incidental

Star Trek Discovey Burnham

Banana Republic 1 · 31-10-2020 8:28am

Rawr wrote: »

You might actually get away with not watching Season 2.
Stuff happens that mean they have to go into the future....that's about it...

....also Micheal....it's important that you remember Micheal....

They actually don’t have to go into the future at all cause they destroyed control

Banana Republic 1 · 31-10-2020 8:32am

AMKC wrote: »

Seen online that Airium might be in season 3 some how. Some here saying that season 3 is a clean slate and all you need to know is they went to the future but maybe you might want to know about her too. I will not spoil it but she was in the first two seasons and is not in the 3rd one yet so just saying.

Was that the tremendously strong cyborg girl that Burnham beat in a fist fight

Banana Republic 1 · 31-10-2020 8:38am

The White Wolf wrote: »

That ending montage of Michael reuniting with the crew was quite cringey. I get it's been a year for them but for the viewer it was one episode and came across as quite naff.

This show has a very weird vibe which I can't put my finger on. If you asked me what the purpose was of the previous series' I could give a decent answer even for Enterprise but for this one I'm genuinely lost.

In the first episode of this season Burnham closes the wormhole with an the iron man suit. My question is how did the discovery get through a closed wormhole one year later ?

The White Wolf · 31-10-2020 10:05am

AMKC wrote: »

Agreed and 1year is not even that long. It should have been 10 years and she should not have appeared for at least two episodes.

The way it was shot you'd swear it was a series finale or the ending of a major arc. Totally self indulgent.

31-10-2020 11:39am

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

My question is how did the discovery get through a closed wormhole one year later ?

It went through shortly afterwards, but didn't emerge for nearly a year compared to Burnham. How? Timey wimey wormholey physics.

flazio · 31-10-2020 11:41am

Varying exits of Time jumps is a common theme across Sci fi fantasy. Most recently used in The Umbrella Academy.

CramCycle · 31-10-2020 11:44am

Also the suit sealed it from I side so presumably behind Discovery if you think of the wormhole as linear through spacetime. Presumably anything after the spacesuit gets out after, and anything earlier either gets spat out earlier or gets crushed.

More and more I fear when I think like this that the suit caused the burn. I really hope it's just something that's never explained.

Optimus Prime · 31-10-2020 11:51am

Did the wormhole not close itself regardless of the suit going through? I thought she just sent the suit through to create "the last signal" she said as much to spock in the season 2 finale before she went through the wormhole so he would know she made it ok.

Rawr · 01-11-2020 6:07pm

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

They actually don’t have to go into the future at all cause they destroyed control

Hey....I said "Stuff happens that mean they have to go into the future"

I never said that the stuff needed to make sense

03-11-2020 1:40pm

Great ep until Michael showed up

Interested in detmer. Subtitles said she heard the doc telepathically or something in sick bay
Could be temporal something interactig w the implant

Star Trek Discovery Season 3 episode 2- That Hope is You, Part 2

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