Open windows no coats

lulublue22 · 22-10-2020 8:31am

RealJohn wrote: »

Apparently a load of children got wind of this thread since I went to bed last night.

Having read over the thread I agree with you - I also find the fixation on coats hilarious - they can be extremely uncomfortable to wear all day particularly for certain activities. Thermals and a hat or fleece are by far more comfortable than a coat and just as effective.

Eleven Benevolent Elephants · 22-10-2020 10:14am

People are suggesting layers. Layers are incompatible with uniforms since the trousers, shirt and crested jumper have to be visible.

The layers would have to be worn underneath.

In order to add or remove layers you'd have to take off your entire uniform.

Mrsmum · 22-10-2020 10:32am

I think good quality socks would be a good idea. I find the usual black school socks can be very thin and lack any warmth. Also non bulky fingerless gloves and a hat if they are allowed wear them. I reckon you'd be fairly toasty if you had those items on regardless of layers or bulky coats.

Oink · 22-10-2020 10:41am

lulublue22 wrote: »

This sort of reply gets my goat - There is no need to go to war - a simple conversation can do wonders.
No one wants to be cold including teachers. Re coats they can be bulky and uncomfortable for long periods particularly while writing or any activity that includes repetitive hand movements. Thermal vests / pants are great. You can get heat sensitive ones in dunnes / marks which are light weight but warm. Hats are also a good option.

Point taken. That was a lazy way of saying I would get it sorted, but I would first assume that the school would be reasonable (hypothetically, since our current school is great anyway).

Eleven Benevolent Elephants · 22-10-2020 10:58am

Mrsmum wrote: »

I think good quality socks would be a good idea. I find the usual black school socks can be very thin and lack any warmth. Also non bulky fingerless gloves and a hat if they are allowed wear them. I reckon you'd be fairly toasty if you had those items on regardless of layers or bulky coats.

Most teachers wouldn't allow fingerless gloves.
Not part of uniform.

lulublue22 · 22-10-2020 11:13am

Eleven Benevolent Elephants wrote: »

Most teachers wouldn't allow fingerless gloves.
Not part of uniform.[/quote

I find most teachers are reasonable and understand that children may be cold due to windows being open. Thermals / skins can be worn under uniform no problem hats and fingerless gloves are also good ideas as is the thermal socks

jrosen · 22-10-2020 11:28am

The drama out of some people. It’s really simple, there are numerous shops that sell all sorts of base layers and or thermal under layers. Get your kid a vest, long sleeved and good socks. Even some sort of body warmer jacket would be easily worn over the uniform. Available from penny’s to branded.

Simple email/note or call to the school will suffice.
I seriously doubt any teacher would deny a child the opportunity to be warm once the weather turns.

Eleven Benevolent Elephants · 22-10-2020 11:55am

Even before Covid (going back to my secondary years, I left in 2008).

Kids would be asked to remove gloves. Poor circulation? Tough.
Is there any logical reason for that?

deiseindublin · 22-10-2020 2:24pm

Eleven Benevolent Elephants wrote: »

Even before Covid (going back to my secondary years, I left in 2008).

Kids would be asked to remove gloves. Poor circulation? Tough.
Is there any logical reason for that?

I'm not sure an anonymous forum of school teachers on boards in 2020 is quite the right place for you to get to the end of this horrendous treatment at the hands policy makers in your own school over 12 years ago.

Could I suggest maybe that you contact your alma mater to discuss their policies, and the resolution you require.

coillsaille · 22-10-2020 3:27pm

Why do so many of these posters think that it's teachers who decide what students may or may not wear? Are they not aware that uniform policy and rules are decided by the school management not the teachers?

March2323 · 22-10-2020 3:33pm

Seems to be a common policy, windows have to be open apparently to dissipate the virus particles. As the weather gets colder, some schools seem to be allowing students to wear the PE tracksuit. I'm sure if enough parents complain about how impractical it is to wear a skirt schools will understand and be reasonable

byhookorbycrook · 23-10-2020 11:02am

March2323 wrote: »

Seems to be a common policy, windows have to be open apparently to dissipate the virus particles. As the weather gets colder, some schools seem to be allowing students to wear the PE tracksuit. I'm sure if enough parents complain about how impractical it is to wear a skirt schools will understand and be reasonable

Why can't the girls wear trousers if they wish? Are there still schools not allowing them to do so?

Dial Hard · 23-10-2020 11:22am

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Why can't the girls wear trousers if they wish? Are there still schools not allowing them to do so?

Mixed schools have to offer the option but all-girls schools can mandate skirts only, iirc.

Man with broke phone · 23-10-2020 11:28am

lulublue22 wrote: »

Having read over the thread I agree with you - I also find the fixation on coats hilarious - they can be extremely uncomfortable to wear all day particularly for certain activities. Thermals and a hat or fleece are by far more comfortable than a coat and just as effective.

Why dont we let the people wearing them decide. Sitting down is very hard in the cold. I work in the cold and I like layers for working but if my outer layer had to be trousers a shirt and jumper and my mammy had to dress me, taking off the underlayers become an issue.

Will the teachers union allow the teachers the undress my son to take off a base layer if the sun is plowing through the window and he is dressed for a sled ride with santy?

lulublue22 · 23-10-2020 11:36am

Man with broke phone wrote: »

Why dont we let the people wearing them decide. Sitting down is very hard in the cold. I work in the cold and I like layers for working but if my outer layer had to be trousers a shirt and jumper and my mammy had to dress me, taking off the underlayers become an issue.

Will the teachers union allow the teachers the undress my son to take off a base layer if the sun is plowing through the window and he is dressed for a sled ride with santy?

That is a pure nonsense post - people have an outdated understanding of thermals - newer versions which respond to the body are available in marks / dunnes - its like having an extra layer. If you become too hot - off with the jumper and you are good - no need to strip off at all - but sure that doesn’t suit the big bad teachers narrative. Drama for the sake of drama.

lulublue22 · 23-10-2020 11:40am

lulublue22 wrote: »

That is a pure nonsense post - people have an outdated understanding of thermals - newer versions which respond to the body are available in marks / dunnes - its like having an extra layer. If you become too hot - off with the jumper and you are good - no need to strip off at all - but sure that doesn’t suit the big bad teachers narrative. Drama for the sake of drama.

Eta - even most JI children can manage to put on and off their jumper .

Man with broke phone · 23-10-2020 8:08pm

lulublue22 wrote: »

That is a pure nonsense post - people have an outdated understanding of thermals - newer versions which respond to the body are available in marks / dunnes - its like having an extra layer. If you become too hot - off with the jumper and you are good - no need to strip off at all - but sure that doesn’t suit the big bad teachers narrative. Drama for the sake of drama.

You seem to be struggling with this. They cant take off their jumper or shirt. Should 30 9 or 10 year old kids be fiddling with shirt buttons to remove a third or fourth layer then put it all back on every time they are a bit warm or cold, can every parent in Ireland afford these state of the art thermals?
Teachers couldnt afford their own laptops during the last lockdown and they werent out of pocket during it, but now we need the latest technology in thermal sportwear and teach our 9 year olds how to strip and replace layers like a formula 1 pit crew changes tyres.

Their top layers have to be a jumper with a shirt underneath.

Mrsmum · 23-10-2020 8:58pm

Man with broke phone wrote: »

You seem to be struggling with this. They cant take off their jumper or shirt. Should 30 9 or 10 year old kids be fiddling with shirt buttons to remove a third or fourth layer then put it all back on every time they are a bit warm or cold, can every parent in Ireland afford these state of the art thermals?
Teachers couldnt afford their own laptops during the last lockdown and they werent out of pocket during it, but now we need the latest technology in thermal sportwear and teach our 9 year olds how to strip and replace layers like a formula 1 pit crew changes tyres.

Their top layers have to be a jumper with a shirt underneath.

A gilet would probably work well. Less restrictive than a coat.

History Queen · 23-10-2020 9:19pm

Man with broke phone wrote: »

You seem to be struggling with this. They cant take off their jumper or shirt. Should 30 9 or 10 year old kids be fiddling with shirt buttons to remove a third or fourth layer then put it all back on every time they are a bit warm or cold, can every parent in Ireland afford these state of the art thermals?
Teachers couldnt afford their own laptops during the last lockdown and they werent out of pocket during it, but now we need the latest technology in thermal sportwear and teach our 9 year olds how to strip and replace layers like a formula 1 pit crew changes tyres.

Their top layers have to be a jumper with a shirt underneath.

What do you mean teachers weren't out of pocket? Latest survey from TUI suggests many were.

As regards the rest of your nonsense post, I truely despair. You're actively creating issues where they don't exist. Students should be allowed wear whatever additional clothing keeps them comfortable (any school denying this should be challenged, a phonecall to the principal should suffice), the suggestions made up thread of baselayer thermals/gilets are much more practical than heavy coats for the reasons outlined above.

Why does any and every issue even half related to school seem to invoke complete over reactions? Madness.

Man with broke phone · 23-10-2020 9:31pm

History Queen wrote: »

What do you mean teachers weren't out of pocket? Latest survey from TUI suggests many were.

As regards the rest of your nonsense post, I truely despair. You're actively creating issues where they don't exist. Students should be allowed wear whatever additional clothing keeps them comfortable (any school denying this should be challenged, a phonecall to the principal should suffice), the suggestions made up thread of baselayer thermals/gilets are much more practical than heavy coats for the reasons outlined above.

Why does any and every issue even half related to school seem to invoke complete over reactions? Madness.

I think you are the one over reacting. I dont know what a gilet is. My sons coat is comfortable. He likes wearing it. How do you measure what my sons find comfortable? Why does he need a school jumper with a shirt under it to be his most outer clothing. Is this a control issue? We are all making changes for covid. Why cant teachers allow themselves to look at a few different colour jackets while working.

History Queen · 23-10-2020 9:38pm

Man with broke phone wrote: »

I think you are the one over reacting. I dont know what a gilet is. My sons coat is comfortable. He likes wearing it. How do you measure what my sons find comfortable? Why does he need a school jumper with a shirt under it to be his most outer clothing. Is this a control issue? We are all making changes for covid. Why cant teachers allow themselves to look at a few different colour jackets while working.

The coat may be comfortable but many students (or people in general) will not find a coat comfortable to wear while sitting for long periods of time and writing or reading. We don't care about looking at different colour coats. In my school this isn't an issue and some students have reverted to thin jackets. Many wear layers under their uniform as needed or gilets ( a gilet is a sleeveless coat/ bodywarmer) as they are more practical.

In what way am I overreacting?

lulublue22 · 24-10-2020 2:19pm

Man with broke phone wrote: »

You seem to be struggling with this. They cant take off their jumper or shirt. Should 30 9 or 10 year old kids be fiddling with shirt buttons to remove a third or fourth layer then put it all back on every time they are a bit warm or cold, can every parent in Ireland afford these state of the art thermals?
Teachers couldnt afford their own laptops during the last lockdown and they werent out of pocket during it, but now we need the latest technology in thermal sportwear and teach our 9 year olds how to strip and replace layers like a formula 1 pit crew changes tyres.

Their top layers have to be a jumper with a shirt underneath.

TBH I think you are the one struggling here- struggling to whip up faux outrage. Our school is cold at the best of times more so now we are all adults and children managing fine with our layers - no one is feeling the need to strip as of yet.

It’s amazing the difference a € 9.84 thermal vest from dunnes makes.

joebloggs32 · 24-10-2020 11:11pm

Mrsmum wrote: »

A gilet would probably work well. Less restrictive than a coat.

I have started wearing the Gillet the last few weeks. Its perfect really. Keeps your core warm without being too overbearing.

JizzBeans · 25-10-2020 12:43am

Secondary school teacher here, personally I don't allow students to wear coats. I am teaching in a DEIS school and I am tired of looking at the scummy drug dealing students lounging around in their Canadian goose coats.

Also the open window thing is a laugh, as if.

juneg · 25-10-2020 1:02am

Ive news for ye. Even with the windows and door open an overcrowded small room with 30 + children is still warm.

spurious · 25-10-2020 11:06am

Some rather tetchy and snarky replies here. They are not necessary
Please, when replying, leave it for ten seconds and decide do you really want to make the post.
Everyone is trying their best to get through this, in spite of the DES response and in spite of some Boards of Management.
There is nobody wants the students or teachers to get Covid or colds.
We are all on the same page.

Open windows no coats

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