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Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

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  • Subscribers Posts: 41,853 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    phog wrote: »
    I actually like the jerseys but they're just way too similar to be released for two different clubs clubs with huge rivalry

    FYP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,015 ✭✭✭✭Mc Love


    110 lids too for the priviledge and its only in players fit. Adidas clearly care about what the fans want!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 184 ✭✭Donald Trumped


    While delighted for Ronan O'Gara in his new head coach role at La Rochelle, one must feel that this is a huge missed opportunity for Munster rugby to accommodate ROG in this new coaching ticket that's been assembled in the Southern province.

    I would have loved to have seen Munster replace JVG with Ronan as head coach. However for now, the powers that be in Munster rugby feel that JVG is a safer bet than the Munster legend. Time will tell but to me that calculation could be a huge mistake going forward. Hopefully ROG will return to coaching in Ireland at some stage.

    Meanwhile any word on the latest regarding the new Munster rugby coaching ticket for next season? Are we still on course for JVG, Rowntree, Larkham and Ferriera come the opening matches in the Pro14 in late September of this year?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,183 ✭✭✭UnknownSpecies


    Let him cut his teeth as head coach elsewhere first. I'm sure he's in Munster's future plans and I'd imagine Munster are in his future plans. But only when the time is right.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,199 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    While delighted for Ronan O'Gara in his new head coach role at La Rochelle, one must feel that this is a huge missed opportunity for Munster rugby to accommodate ROG in this new coaching ticket that's been assembled in the Southern province.

    I would have loved to have seen Munster replace JVG with Ronan as head coach. However for now, the powers that be in Munster rugby feel that JVG is a safer bet than the Munster legend. Time will tell but to me that calculation could be a huge mistake going forward. Hopefully ROG will return to coaching in Ireland at some stage.

    Meanwhile any word on the latest regarding the new Munster rugby coaching ticket for next season? Are we still on course for JVG, Rowntree, Larkham and Ferriera come the opening matches in the Pro14 in late September of this year?

    JVG is contracted until 2022. You would just have sacked him?

    Also ROG has already said that he currently has no interest in returning to Ireland, so there's been no opportunity lost or mistake made.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Dave O'Callaghan's two year contract with Biarritz was confirmed by the club. I hope it works out and he can stay injury free.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    James Hart also signed there on a three year deal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,371 ✭✭✭✭phog


    While delighted for Ronan O'Gara in his new head coach role at La Rochelle, one must feel that this is a huge missed opportunity for Munster rugby to accommodate ROG in this new coaching ticket that's been assembled in the Southern province.

    I would have loved to have seen Munster replace JVG with Ronan as head coach. However for now, the powers that be in Munster rugby feel that JVG is a safer bet than the Munster legend. Time will tell but to me that calculation could be a huge mistake going forward. Hopefully ROG will return to coaching in Ireland at some stage.

    Meanwhile any word on the latest regarding the new Munster rugby coaching ticket for next season? Are we still on course for JVG, Rowntree, Larkham and Ferriera come the opening matches in the Pro14 in late September of this year?

    Fake News


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 184 ✭✭Donald Trumped


    phog wrote: »
    Fake News

    I'm sorry if posters have taken exception to my post regarding ROG and Munster rugby. I still believe though as regards to JVG that he is not the messiah that Munster need as head coach. Surely some posters can agree on that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭Sabre0001


    At this stage we just need some sort of stability and consistency in a coaching ticket

    🤪



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,576 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    I'm sorry if posters have taken exception to my post regarding ROG and Munster rugby. I still believe though as regards to JVG that he is not the messiah that Munster need as head coach. Surely some posters can agree on that.

    4 semis in 2 years

    doesn't really get much better than that without actually winning the thing.
    Its stability with room to improve.

    Stability and a direction for the future is what we need and changing head coach again would not help that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭PMC83


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    4 semis in 2 years

    doesn't really get much better than that

    It does though- getting to a final. Then winning one. Munsters issue is that last hurdle or two, and thus far JVG isn't showing us anything different in regards as to how they may get past it. Agree stability is important, but if they don't reach a final next year or at least look like they should have, then questions will need to be asked


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,576 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    PMC83 wrote: »
    It does though- getting to a final. Then winning one. Munsters issue is that last hurdle or two, and thus far JVG isn't showing us anything different in regards as to how they may get past it. Agree stability is important, but if they don't reach a final next year or at least look like they should have, then questions will need to be asked

    conveniently leaving our where I said ‘other than winning it’
    He’s had one full season. One,
    Questions are far from ‘being asked’

    We lost to the two best teams in Europe this year. And in the process beat the next beat team in England, and reigning French champions!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    While delighted for Ronan O'Gara in his new head coach role at La Rochelle, one must feel that this is a huge missed opportunity for Munster rugby to accommodate ROG in this new coaching ticket that's been assembled in the Southern province.

    I would have loved to have seen Munster replace JVG with Ronan as head coach. However for now, the powers that be in Munster rugby feel that JVG is a safer bet than the Munster legend. Time will tell but to me that calculation could be a huge mistake going forward. Hopefully ROG will return to coaching in Ireland at some stage.

    Meanwhile any word on the latest regarding the new Munster rugby coaching ticket for next season? Are we still on course for JVG, Rowntree, Larkham and Ferriera come the opening matches in the Pro14 in late September of this year?
    Not really. ROG doesnt look like he's anywhere near interested in coming back yet and yes he's done very well coaching so far he has no head coaching role. He will after this. Succeed there and then maybe it would be good to hire him then but not now.
    Dave O'Callaghan's two year contract with Biarritz was confirmed by the club. I hope it works out and he can stay injury free.
    Change of environment could be huge for him. Hope it does work out
    PMC83 wrote: »
    It does though- getting to a final. Then winning one. Munsters issue is that last hurdle or two, and thus far JVG isn't showing us anything different in regards as to how they may get past it. Agree stability is important, but if they don't reach a final next year or at least look like they should have, then questions will need to be asked
    Do they? Maybe its just Munster's level. simply next tier down from the top sides.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,371 ✭✭✭✭phog


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    conveniently leaving our where I said ‘other than winning it’
    He’s had one full season. One,
    Questions are far from ‘being asked’

    We lost to the two best teams in Europe this year. And in the process beat the next beat team in England, and reigning French champions!

    The team that beat us in the SF of the Pro14 were equally hammered by the team that hammered us in the SF of the H/Cup

    We're probably not playing as good as we should be but we're certainly not as bad as some posters would have you believe.

    We've two new coaches due in to the set up and if they can deliver something of an improvement of what Fla and Felix were then we're in a good place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,371 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Munster Branch AGM
    The Munster Branch Annual General Meeting took place at Tralee RFC on Wednesday night with club representatives from around the province in attendance.
    Mike Keane was elected Munster Rugby President with more details here.

    The financial accounts for year ending June 30, 2018 showed a cash-flow deficit of €920K which was in line with the figures forecasted at last year’s AGM.

    The current financial projections for year ending 30th June 2019 estimate a similar cash-flow deficit of €995K for the season.

    In presenting the financial update at tonight’s AGM, Munster Rugby Treasurer, Tom Kinirons, discussed the key points.

    While the projected cash-flow deficit remains broadly in line with the prior year, there were some significant variances which required explaining.

    Player costs increased due to an increase in the squad size and also due to player wage inflation.

    As agreed with the IRFU a number of years ago, the exceptional grant support to Munster from the IRFU decreased slightly on the prior season. Tom was keen to express his thanks to the IRFU for the additional grant funding over the past number of years and their excellent on-going support.

    Munster benefited from earning a home Champions Cup quarter-final in the previous two seasons so there was a reduction in income in the current season as we qualified for an away Champions Cup quarter-final.

    In a huge positive, gate income increased by 12% in the current season with increases in both our Champions Cup and PRO14 ticket sales.

    The Ireland U20s played both of their home 6 Nations games at Irish Independent Park and the fantastic attendances resulted in a further positive to our revenue numbers.

    Munster’s Commercial revenue stream continues to exceed expectations with increased income from sponsorship and from Commercial dinners abroad. The newly-laid artificial surface in IIP has been a major success with a 200% uplift in additional revenue generated through six summer concerts and rental of the artificial pitch.

    In line with the increased gate income for Champions Cup and PRO14 games, ticket sales increased to over 207,000 tickets (excluding knockouts) throughout the campaign. In total sales, this represents an increase of 2% with actual individual sales growing by approximately 12%. This was due to the impact of 10-Year Ticket sales with an additional 1,500 tickets available to sell for each game.

    Attendances grew by 15% this season which was a huge increase, and reiterates the loyalty of our fantastic supporters.

    There were seven sell-out fixtures at Irish Independent Park and Thomond Park during the season. All four games at Irish Independent Park sold out for the first time ever with the Ireland v France U20s 6 Nations match in Cork also at capacity. There were two sell-out attendances at Thomond Park with additional seating also installed for both games.

    The province has invested in major upgrade works at Irish Independent Park which has enabled the uplift in revenue above. The installation of a modified 3G pitch surface by Tralee-based company PST Sport has proved to be a major success. As mentioned earlier, the Ireland U20s played both of their home 6 Nations games at the venue. There are six concerts taking place in June and the pitch is in constant demand from various teams across multiple sports in the local area. The new artificial pitch has allowed for a significant increase in games played on a consistent basis, assisting the province’s efforts of growing the game at grassroots level.

    Additionally, Munster Rugby have been granted planning permission by Cork City Council for the construction of an indoor training facility at Irish Independent Park. See more here.

    As part of the province’s continued long-term investment to promote the game among younger supporters, Munster once again allocated 5,000 reduced priced Junior tickets to every Thomond Park game over the season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,201 ✭✭✭troyzer


    phog wrote: »
    bennyl10 wrote: »
    conveniently leaving our where I said ‘other than winning it’
    He’s had one full season. One,
    Questions are far from ‘being asked’

    We lost to the two best teams in Europe this year. And in the process beat the next beat team in England, and reigning French champions!

    The team that beat us in the SF of the Pro14 were equally hammered by the team that hammered us in the SF of the H/Cup

    We're probably not playing as good as we should be but we're certainly not as bad as some posters would have you believe.

    We've two new coaches due in to the set up and if they can deliver something of an improvement of what Fla and Felix were then we're in a good place.

    Yeah, Leinster weren't hammered by Saracens.

    Neither were Munster to be fair, just beaten well. But it's not right to say those two games are equivalent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,825 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    troyzer wrote: »
    Yeah, Leinster weren't hammered by Saracens.

    Neither were Munster to be fair, just beaten well. But it's not right to say those two games are equivalent.

    No 2 games are but I thought the reaction to Munsters loss was fairly exaggerated.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,199 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Here's an in English breakdown of the AGM form the Examiner. https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/munster-ready-to-balance-books-next-year-930537.html#.XQJKIy5VJ5M.twitter

    Some of the main points.
    Munster expect to break even next season.
    They made €5.2m from 10 year ticket sales and gave half to the IRFU to bring down the stadium debt which now stands at €6.8m.
    The U20 6N games will be played in Cork again in 2020 and 2021.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,371 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Also from The Examiner
    Munster are also looking to fill a senior coach vacancy, with former Australian backs coach Stephen Larkham and current Wales attack coach Rob Howley heavily linked, while there is also a search ongoing for a skills coach.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭Mr Tickle


    troyzer wrote: »
    Yeah, Leinster weren't hammered by Saracens.

    Neither were Munster to be fair, just beaten well. But it's not right to say those two games are equivalent.

    You're right about the results not being the same. Munster were more comprehensively beaten than Leinster for sure. Similarly Leinster beat Munster well without it being a disaster.

    Munster have gotten to plenty of semi finals in the last number of years with an under performing backline. Similarly the pack have been good while playing a very limited game. There's a very good group of players there and hopefully the new coaches can add a more sophisticated game plan.

    My main fear is that if the new coaches try to bring in a new plan there's going to be some teething problems to begin with. Then the fans and the journalists start claiming it's not working. We get lots of talk about "the Munster traditional style" and "the good old days".
    Then they go back to the current style for a few games and grind out some wins and people think everything is fixed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Good news on the U20s remaining in Cork. That's a nice little earner and recognition of the attendance in 2019.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,825 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Good news on the U20s remaining in Cork. That's a nice little earner and recognition of the attendance in 2019.

    Great news. Hadn't spotted that


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    Two scores is a hammering eh. Fair enough so.....


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,290 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Eod100 wrote: »
    No 2 games are but I thought the reaction to Munsters loss was fairly exaggerated.

    I imagine the overreaction was more because it seemed like a very familiar defeat. Munster have a spectacular ability to keep in games sometimes but ultimately never really looked like winning. Had that game occurred 2 years ago no one would have cared but they seem to be stuck at that level.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Munster would have won with Hayes. You know it. I know it.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,199 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Rowntree and Larkham. Great job by Munster and the IRFU.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭Dbu


    Rowntree and Larkham. Great job by Munster and the IRFU.
    Good appointments

    Wonder where fla and felix will end up?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2019/06/14/stephen-larkham-to-join-munster-rugby/

    Confirmed on a three year contract, starting in August.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,910 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Rowntree and Larkham. Great job by Munster and the IRFU.

    Great appointments but they can only do so much it's the players jobs on the field

    Both on a pretty penny I assume


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭Pepp1989


    How could the Aussie fans on the Internet have been so wrong.

    Great appointment by Munster. Exciting times.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,199 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Great appointments but they can only do so much it's the players jobs on the field

    Both on a pretty penny I assume

    They players on the pitch haven't been playing to their potential due to poor coaching. No more excuses now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,722 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    That has to be one of the most experienced coaching tickets for a domestic side in quite a while.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,825 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Very excited about next season now. Hopefully get a decent pool draw next Wednesday now


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭yerrahbah


    Still need a backs coach.

    If we get in an experienced backs coach, I'll be happy with the coaching ticket.


  • Subscribers Posts: 41,853 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    yerrahbah wrote: »
    Still need a backs coach.

    If we get in an experienced backs coach, I'll be happy with the coaching ticket.

    Larkham is essentially a backs coach.. and an experienced one at that,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,722 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    yerrahbah wrote: »
    Still need a backs coach.

    If we get in an experienced backs coach, I'll be happy with the coaching ticket.

    Why would you need a backs coach when you have Larkham? If anything that'd just be more bloat in the management structure.

    Rowntree will be the forwards/scrum coach, Larkham is an attack/backs coach with some top level experience.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭yerrahbah


    The article says he was appointed as a senior coach. Which I took to mean an assistant coach. If he's backs coach then happy days.
    It does say that we are on the lookout for an additional coach, a skills coach perhaps?


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    Copying Leinster again I see. :p

    That's a fantastic appointment, and a serious statement of where Irish rugby is now and how its viewed that we can attract the level of coaches we have over the last few years. Should make for an interest couple of years ahead.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,722 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    yerrahbah wrote: »
    The article says he was appointed as a senior coach. Which I took to mean an assistant coach. If he's backs coach then happy days.
    It does say that we are on the lookout for an additional coach, a skills coach perhaps?

    Similar to Lancaster who's listed as a senior coach, but is ultimately our forwards coach.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,702 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    Its officially confirmed in Munster website. Delighted. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,371 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Pepp1989 wrote: »
    How could the Aussie fans on the Internet have been so wrong.

    Great appointment by Munster. Exciting times.

    It's still not confirmed by SH media so it cannot be taken as true


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,722 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    phog wrote: »
    It's still not confirmed by SH media so it cannot be taken as true

    Because they're all in mourning at losing the person they all thought was being held in the background as Cheika's successor :D


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,199 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    yerrahbah wrote: »
    The article says he was appointed as a senior coach. Which I took to mean an assistant coach. If he's backs coach then happy days.
    It does say that we are on the lookout for an additional coach, a skills coach perhaps?

    They original plan was a new 5th coach when Flannery and Jones were there. It's still possible that they'll hire one, but they'll discuss the need with the new coaching team first.

    It's actually mentioned by Phillip Quinn in the press release.

    “We now have a four-man coaching team with head coach Johann van Graan supported by senior coach Stephen, forwards coach Graham Rowntree and defence coach JP Ferreira.
    “It has been our intention to recruit one more member for our coaching ticket and we will evaluate our needs prior to progressing with that process.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,144 ✭✭✭✭Caranica


    Because they're all in mourning at losing the person they all thought was being held in the background as Cheika's successor :D

    Or asleep!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,722 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    Caranica wrote: »
    Or asleep!

    Shhhhhh no it's clearly because they're drowning in salty kangaroo tears.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,854 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    To get Larkham is an amazing piece of business. Excellent for Munster and Ireland
    Joey Carbery must be Delira and Excira!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭lockman


    Great news about the acquisition of Stephen Larkham. With the other recent additions, things are looking up at Munster. I am excited.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,371 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Wallabies door still open for Larkham after Munster move: Johnson
    Rugby Australia director of rugby Scott Johnson says Stephen Larkham's move to Irish club Munster will only help his long-term ambition to be Wallabies coach.

    Subject to receiving a visa, Larkham will join the Irish province as a senior coach for three seasons starting in August and ending in June 2022, the Pro14 club confirmed overnight.

    Larkham will work under coach Johann van Graan and alongside forwards coach Graham Rowntree and defence coach JP Ferreira at his new club.

    Johnson said in a statement on Saturday afternoon that Larkham's move would be a positive one for his career.

    "Stephen departs with Rugby Australia's full blessing and we wish him every success with Munster," he said.

    "Stephen made the decision to join Munster in full consultation with us and we will remain in close contact with him during his time in Ireland.

    "We believe the experience Stephen will gain from a senior role internationally will grow his coaching capabilities significantly and we are very keen for him to remain part of the Australian Rugby coaching system.

    "He has made it clear that his ultimate goal is to coach the Wallabies and the next three years will give him a solid platform to achieve his coaching ambitions."

    The former Wallabies attack coach parted ways with the national team in February due to philosophical differences with coach Michael Cheika.

    At that time, Rugby Australia CEO Raelene Castle kept the door open for Larkham to return to the Wallabies fold in the future.

    While there was a school of thought that Larkham could throw his hat in the ring to return to the national setup, this move all but quashes that possibility in the immediate future.

    Larkham has been in a national coaching advisory role for the past four months, working with the Junior Wallabies, Wallaroos, Sevens and Super Rugby sides.

    He had been Wallabies attack coach for three seasons prior to that.


    “I am very excited and honoured to be joining Munster Rugby," Larkham said in a statement.

    “A big part of my decision lies in the values of the club and the importance they place on community. I have come from a very similar environment and know how effective and enjoyable that can be.

    “I have had a number of conversations with Johann and I’m very excited to be working with him, as our views on rugby are very similar.

    “I’m also looking forward to meeting and working with not only the other coaches in Graham and JP but also the very talented group of players that Munster have.”


    Munster Rugby Acting CEO Philip Quinn said: “We are very pleased to add Stephen to our coaching team and look forward to welcoming him to the province in August.

    “Stephen’s values are very closely aligned with those of Munster and huge credit must go to the Professional Game Board and Johann for their work in bringing him to the province.

    “Stephen is a very successful coach who had offers from other clubs so we are delighted that he has decided to join Munster.

    “We now have a four-man coaching team with head coach Johann van Graan supported by senior coach Stephen, forwards coach Graham Rowntree and defence coach JP Ferreira.

    “It has been our intention to recruit one more member for our coaching ticket and we will evaluate our needs prior to progressing with that process.”

    Larkham's Wallabies replacement is set to be named as early as next week, with a number of Super Rugby candidates in the mix for that role.


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