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Handwriting decipher thread *must post link to full page*

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,108 ✭✭✭Jellybaby1


    hblock21 wrote: »
    Would anyone care to look at the attached register and please tell me what they think are the names of the two men. The marriage is 4th February 1871, its the last one on the right page when you open the link. I would just like to have a second opinion. Thanks.
    http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632225#page/90/mode/1up


    If you pop down to the next page and look on the left side it is helpful. This is all I can manage: ? James Cooney and Revd. ?? Dronysius O'Brien. Am I
    looking at the wrong record?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭hblock21


    Yes your looking at the wrong record.
    Its the 4th Feb. Mcgrath and Mary Kiely . Sponsors Cleary and Bridget Quinlan.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,108 ✭✭✭Jellybaby1


    Hard to notice that it is actually a record. I'm just wild guessing at it now which is useless to you. On top of that I've no Latin to speak of either! Sorry, giving up.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,411 ✭✭✭oceanclub


    Another one please!

    http://i.imgur.com/giIOhsm.png

    Looks like residences are "Clonmel Asylum" and "Irishtown Clonmel" respectively?

    Fathers' jobs are "Farmer" and "Carpenter"?

    The ones I'm having real difficulty with are the witnesses: William Brett and Bridget Leary, perhaps?


  • Registered Users Posts: 99 ✭✭Boscod


    Looking for help with the attached note from a baptism register. Thanks.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭mickmackey1


    oceanclub wrote: »
    Another one please!

    http://i.imgur.com/giIOhsm.png

    Looks like residences are "Clonmel Asylum" and "Irishtown Clonmel" respectively?

    Fathers' jobs are "Farmer" and "Carpenter"?

    The ones I'm having real difficulty with are the witnesses: William Brett and Bridget Leary, perhaps?

    I'd go with Brett alright, same name as the groom. Agree with the others aswell.
    Boscod wrote: »
    Looking for help with the attached note from a baptism register. Thanks.
    Bit rusty on the 'ol Latin I'm afraid :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    Boscod wrote: »
    Looking for help with the attached note from a baptism register. Thanks.

    It's a cr@p image - can you post some more detail & bigger?
    It looks like parentiis...xxxxxxx.. et tuum in ecclesia sub conditione

    Something in the church under condition [of].


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,411 ✭✭✭oceanclub


    Any idea of this name? Seems to be "Rodie"!

    http://i.imgur.com/B90DnV0.jpg

    P.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭KildareFan


    Certainly looks like Rodie


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,411 ✭✭✭oceanclub


    KildareFan wrote: »
    Certainly looks like Rodie
    Weird; for the life of me can't think what that could be a nickname or contraction for.

    P.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭KildareFan


    Probably Ruaidhri - Irish form of Rory,
    think of Roddy McCorley


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    KildareFan wrote: »
    Probably Ruaidhri - Irish form of Rory,
    think of Roddy McCorley
    Yes. I have several Rodger/Roger/Rody names in one side of my tree - Ryans, sometimes referred to as the Ryan Rody's.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,264 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    I have a Rody who was Rodolphus. Now there's a name.


  • Registered Users Posts: 38 pikebishop


    Can anybody help with an address on my g grandfather/grandmother wedding cert..
    entry 86 in the url below on the JOANNIS & BRIGIDAE MALONE row - the row below is 8 Leitrim Place but i can't figure out the one above - thanks.

    sorry i can't post links:

    https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=haddington_road_mf_1849-1907_ma_0553


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭shanew


    pikebishop wrote: »
    Can anybody help with an address on my g grandfather/grandmother wedding cert..
    entry 86 in the url below on the JOANNIS & BRIGIDAE MALONE row - the row below is 8 Leitrim Place but i can't figure out the one above - thanks.

    ..

    7 Gratton Place ?

    for comparison see the 'G' on the groom's father's first name on line 87


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  • Registered Users Posts: 38 pikebishop


    sorry can't edit posts either - the address of Michael Malone's Father & Mother JOANNIS & BRIGIDAE MALONE it looks like Grange something..

    Thanks


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,672 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    The first word is definitely Grange. Coniworth? Co. something? Co. Meath?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    I'd go with Grange, Co. Meath. There are several of that name there


  • Registered Users Posts: 38 pikebishop


    Yeah I first thought meath but as it didn't have the strike through the t which is present throughout the record I wasnt sure. . Ill now go searching thanks..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭lottpaul


    pikebishop wrote: »
    Yeah I first thought meath but as it didn't have the strike through the t which is present throughout the record I wasnt sure. . Ill now go searching thanks..

    Could it be Grangecon, Wicklow?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 38 pikebishop


    lottpaul wrote: »
    Could it be Grangecon, Wicklow?

    Will have a look thanks


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,411 ✭✭✭oceanclub


    http://i.imgur.com/TjlZWiW.jpg

    Just a single word at the end of the church marriage record here - the transcript has it as "Coppenmore". But I can't find a record of that anyway. Also, would that have been the address of the groom, bride or witnesses?

    P.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,421 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Looking for help with what's written for the informant on this death record.
    Third one down, it's M. Kehoe ______ _____ present at death 16 Bonham Street

    397078.bmp

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,152 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Hermy wrote: »
    Looking for help with what's written for the informant on this death record.
    Third one down, it's M. Kehoe ______ _____ present at death 16 Bonham Street

    Is the second word 'widow'?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    M. Kehoe
    Sisterinlaw
    Widow
    Present at death
    16 Bonham Villaas


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,421 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Well spotted. I thought in law was in there somewhere but didn't spot the word widow.

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,421 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Just noticed I didn't get Villas either!

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭tabbey


    spurious wrote: »
    I have a Rody who was Rodolphus. Now there's a name.

    Rody Kickham, who James Joyce described as a "decent fellow" in "A portrait of the artist as a young man", is officially Rodolphus.

    I know this because his mother was a sister of my great grandfather.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,411 ✭✭✭oceanclub


    Anyone hazard a guess at the godparents here? John Daly & Eliza something?

    http://i.imgur.com/aq9F9HV.jpg

    P.


  • Registered Users Posts: 69 ✭✭Mez1982


    oceanclub wrote: »
    Anyone hazard a guess at the godparents here? John Daly & Eliza something?

    http://i.imgur.com/aq9F9HV.jpg

    P.

    Fitzpatrick?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,411 ✭✭✭oceanclub


    Gosh yes, obvious now you say it. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,411 ✭✭✭oceanclub


    Another one where witnesses are unclear - Pat Farrell & Bridget Niel (sp?)

    http://i.imgur.com/971bgoE.jpg

    P.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,264 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    It's probably meant to be Neil.


  • Registered Users Posts: 69 ✭✭Mez1982


    Yeah I'm seeing Neil also. Variation of O Neil?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭tabbey


    Mez1982 wrote: »
    Yeah I'm seeing Neil also. Variation of O Neil?

    Neil, Neill, Neal, O'Neill, O'Niall. - all the same.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 449 ✭✭rhapsody


    Hi folks, I wonder if anyone could take a stab at Daniel Connor's cause of death please? I have an idea of the first two lines but not the third.

    Edit:
    I can't seem to attach the image; please search on Irish Genealogy, Trim, 1921. Thank you!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,108 ✭✭✭Jellybaby1


    rhapsody wrote: »
    Hi folks, I wonder if anyone could take a stab at Daniel Connor's cause of death please? I have an idea of the first two lines but not the third.

    Edit:
    I can't seem to attach the image; please search on Irish Genealogy, Trim, 1921. Thank you!

    I can only get 'Asphyxia - Strangulation of the ?'. Found by his son. Very sad - sounds horrendous.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭lottpaul


    rhapsody wrote: »
    Hi folks, I wonder if anyone could take a stab at Daniel Connor's cause of death please? I have an idea of the first two lines but not the third.

    Edit:
    I can't seem to attach the image; please search on Irish Genealogy, Trim, 1921. Thank you!


    melancholia


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,108 ✭✭✭Jellybaby1


    lottpaul wrote: »
    melancholia

    Can't see that at all, lottpaul.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭mickmackey1


    Jellybaby1 wrote: »
    Can't see that at all, lottpaul.
    Can't you? Seems a good stab to me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,108 ✭✭✭Jellybaby1


    Can't you? Seems a good stab to me.

    Thought for a minute I was looking at the wrong record. Yes mickmackey, I've had another squint and would agree with 'melancholia' all right, would you go along with me on 'Asphyxia - Strangulation' as well?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭lottpaul


    Jellybaby1 wrote: »
    Can't see that at all, lottpaul.

    I think its "melencholia" on the cert -- looking at it from a distance rather than up close it seemed an option - and may match the circumstances of the death too

    It seems to read -asphyxia, strangulation, melencholia


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭mickmackey1


    Jellybaby1 wrote: »
    Thought for a minute I was looking at the wrong record. Yes mickmackey, I've had another squint and would agree with 'melancholia' all right, would you go along with me on 'Asphyxia - Strangulation' as well?
    No doubt about the first two, unfortunately.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,152 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Melancholia wouldn't be unlikely given the strangulation and asphyxiation unfortunately.
    I'd guess it's more likely self inflicted than anything to do with the War of Independence.
    (Armchair Jessica Fletcher :o)


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,264 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    josip wrote: »
    Melancholia wouldn't be unlikely given the strangulation and asphyxiation unfortunately.
    I'd guess it's more likely self inflicted than anything to do with the War of Independence.
    (Armchair Jessica Fletcher :o)

    That's the impression I got too, together with the 'body found by'. I suppose today they would call it depression.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    spurious wrote: »
    That's the impression I got too, together with the 'body found by'. I suppose today they would call it depression.

    Agreed, today I'd guess it'd be classed as PTSD or perhaps 'clinical depression'. Looking at Wiki the latter is believed to be mostly caused by biological factors, and some may have inherited the disorder. Sometimes stressful situations can trigger episodes of melancholic depression, though this is a contributing cause rather than a necessary or sufficient cause, so the War of Ind. could indeed have been a trigger.

    One will frequently encounter ‘melancholia’ as a cause of death when researching a Register from a district that contains a Workhouse or Mental Hospital (e.g. Clonmel No.1). Usually those death entries are sequential, registered ‘en bloc’, sometimes monthly. If an inmate dies ‘young’ for no apparent reason, the cause of death often is given by the institution as “Exhaustion of melancholia, X years certified.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 449 ✭✭rhapsody


    Thanks everyone for weighing in, 'melancholia' really puts the 'asphyxia strangulation' into context :( Daniel was a shepherd, aged somewhere between 57 and 63, and had a wife and fourteen children. The second eldest is my direct ancestor- she was married and had her three children at this point; Daniel's youngest child was 15. I'll check out the local newspapers when I can to see if I can get some background.
    Thanks again all :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,264 ✭✭✭✭Alicat


    Anyone like to take a stab at where this Rev John Purcell is from? Record is from St Audoen's in Dublin City.

    Parish of ?

    397492.png


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,672 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    St Andrews?

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,264 ✭✭✭✭Alicat


    Oooh, good call...


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