Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

FellasFellas · 20-04-2021 3:04pm

molloyjh wrote: »

The other deals are irrelevant in terms of the Furlong deal. You're mad keen to be outraged, but have really just invented something to be outraged about.

What I was outraged at was the fact that by signing aging Irish players who may or may not be in the side, we run the risk of losing the best tighthead in the world.

Which is what I originally said, but then the previous posters brought up Nucifora being good at his job, which is what I replied to. So just to clarify that for you there.

arsebiscuits1 · 20-04-2021 3:05pm

FellasFellas wrote: »

The same Nucifora who potentially is going to lose out on the starting Lions tighthead because he's sanctioned central deals for aging players who may or may not feature for Ireland in the coming years regardless of form? The same Nucifora who has been the head of performance in the IRFU who has abjectly failed at two, and realistically three RWC's if he's still in the job in 2023? The same Nucifora who albeit a few years after a family tragedy, left Ireland to return to Australia during the Six Nations, and the main contract negotiation phase despite that being his number one job?

They blocked Munster from signing Oz captain Stephen Moore so that the following players could get game time: Mike Sherry, Duncan Casey, Niall Scannell and Kevin O’Byrne. None of these players are pushing for the Ireland squad, so surely it would be good for Moore to come and help bring these guys through and be a big name signing for the club to compete in Europe?

They told Ruan Pienaar to leave so that they could bring through more Irish 9's. In Ulster now, it's John Cooney and yet they sanction Alby Mathewson to move to Munster and Ulster to block Dave Shanahan? I know that Shanahan isn't at the races but it's just hypocrisy abound.

They let Munster sign Jason Jenkins instead of promoting Fineen Wycherly and maybe signing an Irish player or promoting Tom Ahern.

It's an IRFU issue in my opinion and not a Leinster one so I won't pursue it further but it's just pointless to bring up any sort of view on this site when the 'experienced' posters just all jump down your throats because you dare to have a differing opinion. It really puts off people posting, especially new users.

Wow. You're so determined to be outraged you're actually holding something that not only hasn't happened - is actually very unlikely to happen as a stick to beat the man with.

That's impressive even for Boards standard.

And I don't really know what your point of Pienaar and Mathewson is? Cooney got game time and international caps on the back of Pienaar being moved on.

Where is this whole Shanahan thing coming from?

But let's just put it down to this. Nucifora and the IRFU haven't done a perfect job. Show me an example of any entity that has.

But this notion that they're the big bad wolf out to **** over the little guy is just nonsense. The IRFU as an entity is incredibly successful compared to their peers, has actively developed the elite player pathway in the last 6 years and has managed to keep their best players on the Isle while overseeing it's indigenous performing to a consistently good standard.

If you're metric for not being pissed off at something is that they have never made a mistake then you're setting yourself up to have a very sad life

It's mad that the IRFU only seems to go after people who have chips on their shoulder isn't it?

arsebiscuits1 · 20-04-2021 3:06pm

FellasFellas wrote: »

What I was outraged at was the fact that by signing aging Irish players who may or may not be in the side, we run the risk of losing the best tighthead in the world.

Which is what I originally said, but then the previous posters brought up Nucifora being good at his job, which is what I replied to. So just to clarify that for you there.

I'll say this slowly

THERE. IS. NO. POINT. BEING. OUTRAGED. AT. SOMETHING. THAT. HASN'T. HAPPENED.

Honestly mate. Why bother. Life is too short and **** enough as it is without adding these things in

sydthebeat · 20-04-2021 3:17pm

FellasFellas wrote: »

The same Nucifora who potentially is going to lose out on the starting Lions tighthead because he's sanctioned central deals for aging players who may or may not feature for Ireland in the coming years regardless of form? The same Nucifora who has been the head of performance in the IRFU who has abjectly failed at two, and realistically three RWC's if he's still in the job in 2023? The same Nucifora who albeit a few years after a family tragedy, left Ireland to return to Australia during the Six Nations, and the main contract negotiation phase despite that being his number one job?

They blocked Munster from signing Oz captain Stephen Moore so that the following players could get game time: Mike Sherry, Duncan Casey, Niall Scannell and Kevin O’Byrne. None of these players are pushing for the Ireland squad, so surely it would be good for Moore to come and help bring these guys through and be a big name signing for the club to compete in Europe?

They told Ruan Pienaar to leave so that they could bring through more Irish 9's. In Ulster now, it's John Cooney and yet they sanction Alby Mathewson to move to Munster and Ulster to block Dave Shanahan? I know that Shanahan isn't at the races but it's just hypocrisy abound.

They let Munster sign Jason Jenkins instead of promoting Fineen Wycherly and maybe signing an Irish player or promoting Tom Ahern.

It's an IRFU issue in my opinion and not a Leinster one so I won't pursue it further but it's just pointless to bring up any sort of view on this site when the 'experienced' posters just all jump down your throats because you dare to have a differing opinion. It really puts off people posting, especially new users.

phew.... do you need a hand carrying that chip ?

thomond2006 · 20-04-2021 3:40pm

If Furlong leaves, it's definitely POM's fault.

aloooof · 20-04-2021 3:40pm

FellasFellas wrote: »

The same Nucifora who potentially is going to lose out on the starting Lions tighthead because he's sanctioned central deals for aging players who may or may not feature for Ireland in the coming years regardless of form? The same Nucifora who has been the head of performance in the IRFU who has abjectly failed at two, and realistically three RWC's if he's still in the job in 2023? The same Nucifora who albeit a few years after a family tragedy, left Ireland to return to Australia during the Six Nations, and the main contract negotiation phase despite that being his number one job?

They blocked Munster from signing Oz captain Stephen Moore so that the following players could get game time: Mike Sherry, Duncan Casey, Niall Scannell and Kevin O’Byrne. None of these players are pushing for the Ireland squad, so surely it would be good for Moore to come and help bring these guys through and be a big name signing for the club to compete in Europe?

They told Ruan Pienaar to leave so that they could bring through more Irish 9's. In Ulster now, it's John Cooney and yet they sanction Alby Mathewson to move to Munster and Ulster to block Dave Shanahan? I know that Shanahan isn't at the races but it's just hypocrisy abound.

They let Munster sign Jason Jenkins instead of promoting Fineen Wycherly and maybe signing an Irish player or promoting Tom Ahern.

It's an IRFU issue in my opinion and not a Leinster one so I won't pursue it further but it's just pointless to bring up any sort of view on this site when the 'experienced' posters just all jump down your throats because you dare to have a differing opinion. It really puts off people posting, especially new users.

Just for starters:

1) Nothing has been announced for Furlong yet.
2) Stephen Moore wasn't blocked.
3) Fineen Wycherly has already been promoted to the senior team.

You're absolutely entitled to your own opinion, but having factual inaccuracies like these to back up your opinion isn't gonna help your case.

Podge_irl · 20-04-2021 3:49pm

If Furlong leaves it will have nothing whatsoever to do with the other central contracts signed.

gameoverdude · 20-04-2021 6:08pm

thomond2006 wrote:

If Furlong leaves, it's definitely POM's fault.

Bring back the bull.

sebdavis · 20-04-2021 6:10pm

If Furlong signs then the IRFU have done excellent business and fair play to them for keeping everyone
If Furlong goes then the IRFU are incompetent and couldn't get drunk in a brewery

That the World we live in....

salmocab · 21-04-2021 10:25am

In a less than surprising turn of events we won’t be playing a Saffer team in the rainbow cup as they can’t travel.

Clegg · 21-04-2021 12:53pm

Scott Penny was involved in the pre-match press conference. I know that's not always indicative that a player will actually take part in that game. But there must be a good chance that he'll be in the 23 at least.

errlloyd · 21-04-2021 12:54pm

salmocab wrote: »

In a less than surprising turn of events we won’t be playing a Saffer team in the rainbow cup as they can’t travel.

What are you talking about, we're playing against a Saffer team this Saturday.

thomond2006 · 21-04-2021 12:58pm

Clegg wrote: »

Scott Penny was involved in the pre-match press conference. I know that's not always indicative that a player will actually take part in that game. But there must be a good chance that he'll be in the 23 at least.

thegreycity · 21-04-2021 1:09pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Sad noises

Garda Kenny · 21-04-2021 7:23pm

Clegg wrote: »

Scott Penny was involved in the pre-match press conference. I know that's not always indicative that a player will actually take part in that game. But there must be a good chance that he'll be in the 23 at least.

Whilst it’s always good to expose young players to leadership duties and the press etc I take this exposure with a bit of salt. Put simply he might not be physically big enough to ever play top end rugby no matter how professional his work ethic might be.

All the bells and whistles Cullen hangs on Scott for pushing himself in training and pushing himself into the first team picture are just that - congratulatory show.

I don’t for a second believe Scott will be afforded a European place over the bigger and slower Connors who hasn’t as professional a work ethic. VDF is another kettle of fish - harder worker but again possibly not as big physically as Connors. It’s a shame to see brute force win out over honest hard work sometimes but hey - that’s rugby!

21-04-2021 7:28pm

Garda Kenny wrote: »

Whilst it’s always good to expose young players to leadership duties and the press etc I take this exposure with a bit of salt. Put simply he might not be physically big enough to ever play top end rugby no matter how professional his work ethic might be.

All the bells and whistles Cullen hangs on Scott for pushing himself in training and pushing himself into the first team picture are just that - congratulatory show.

I don’t for a second believe Scott will be afforded a European place over the bigger and slower Connors who hasn’t as professional a work ethic. VDF is another kettle of fish - harder worker but again possibly not as big physically as Connors. It’s a shame to see brute force win out over honest hard work sometimes but hey - that’s rugby!

This post started out badly and only got worse and worse. 0/10, would not read again.

salmocab · 21-04-2021 7:30pm

Liv Prickly Millipede wrote: »

This post started out badly and only got worse and worse. 0/10, would not read again.

Remember someone else used to rag on Connors constantly, wonder where he went.

theVersatile · 21-04-2021 8:54pm

Yeah Connors is only a lazy unprofessional oversized lump like Zebo :pac:

Clegg · 21-04-2021 9:17pm

Connors went to the wrong school.

Teferi · 21-04-2021 9:17pm

If only Joe Schmidt hadn't ruined his confidence.

Buer · 21-04-2021 9:39pm

salmocab wrote: »

Remember someone else used to rag on Connors constantly, wonder where he went.

Hey Man(s)!

I'd sell my Granny(15) to try and figure out who those old usernames were.

Garda Kenny · 21-04-2021 9:42pm

Clegg wrote: »

Connors went to the wrong school.

Nice sharp. Gotta be prepared to not get burned by you Magic. I’m the elitist and you aren’t (all Rock boys aren’t). You really burned me there.......

arsebiscuits1 · 21-04-2021 10:02pm

Garda Kenny wrote: »

Nice sharp. Gotta be prepared to not get burned by you Magic. I’m the elitist and you aren’t (all Rock boys aren’t). You really burned me there.......

Take it easy on the ol mid-week beers there GK.

Squidgy Black · 21-04-2021 10:19pm

Wasn't it the same bloke who used to bang on about Clegg going to blackrock or something as well.

The mask slips even further.

.ak · 21-04-2021 10:20pm

Penny is a unit anyway.

hold my beer · 21-04-2021 10:21pm

The oul Ignore button is great lads.

Squidgy Black · 21-04-2021 10:23pm

.ak wrote: »

Penny is a unit anyway.

He'll be leap frogged by young Cent whenever he gets into the academy.

Thrashssacre · 21-04-2021 11:01pm

Is Charlie Ryan still in the Leinster academy?? haven't heard anything About him since the under 20s matches.

Zeugnis · 22-04-2021 1:29am

Thrashssacre wrote: »

Is Charlie Ryan still in the Leinster academy?? haven't heard anything About him since the under 20s matches.

Injured since playing for Leinster A before Christmas, haven't seen any further information.

pickarooney · 22-04-2021 5:46am

Connors is 100kg soaking wet

Rigor Mortis · 22-04-2021 7:27am

.ak wrote: »

Penny is a unit anyway.

He's one in a hundred

salmocab · 22-04-2021 7:30am

Rigor Mortis wrote: »

He's one in a hundred

Truly awful

jacothelad · 22-04-2021 9:26am

Rigor Mortis wrote: »

He's one in a hundred

:D:D:D:D

Clegg · 22-04-2021 9:52am

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Wasn't it the same bloke who used to bang on about Clegg going to blackrock or something as well.

The mask slips even further.

Funny thing is I've never stepped foot in the place.

kmart6 · 22-04-2021 11:11am

Bent officially retiring.

Burkie1203 · 22-04-2021 11:13am

https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1385171906429587459?s=19

thomond2006 · 22-04-2021 11:15am

Great player for Leinster. A versatile prop who was rarely unavailable and could deliver solid performances when called upon.

22-04-2021 11:19am

Shame he will leave without a send off in his last home game.

sydthebeat · 22-04-2021 11:27am

Michael Bent

Leinster:
1 x Heineken Cup winner (2018)
1 x challenge gup winner (2013)
6 x Pro14 winner (2013, 2014, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021)

Pro 14 dream team 2021

Taranaki:
6 x ranfurly shield defence
players player of the year 2012
sportsman of the year 2012

hahashake · 22-04-2021 11:29am

If I recall correctly he wasn't the most popular character for the first year or so, glad he is seen in much better light now.

sydthebeat · 22-04-2021 11:33am

hahashake wrote: »

If I recall correctly he wasn't the most popular character for the first year or so, glad he is seen in much better light now.

xenophobia by ignorant people because he was signed to solve a tight head crisis.
he played for ireland before making his leinster debut.

in doing that that he joins the exclusive club of Brian o Driscoll and James Ryan

Former Former Former · 22-04-2021 11:43am

Genuinely one of our best ever foreign signings. A quality prop on either side of the scrum. I think it was in the MOC era when he started two games against Castres, one leg at LH and the other at TH, and absolutely melted their giant pack on both occasions. And in the 5+ years since then, he's very rarely played badly.

It was a pity that his intro to Ireland was so contentious because I think he should have picked up more caps along the way.

salmocab · 22-04-2021 11:56am

Well this makes me sad

arsebiscuits1 · 22-04-2021 11:57am

https://www.leinsterrugby.ie/michael-bent-it-has-been-a-privilege-thank-you

What an absolute hero.

I can't think of how many times over the years I've said we'd have been absolutely goosed without being able to call on Benty.

He was ready and willing whenever called upon to give incredibly reliable performances and pack down both sides of the scrum without any fuss. Once he hit his stride he was rarely bested by some top class scrummagers.

In the age where dual props are essentially non existent, this guy could hop across to loosehead without a bother.

Indeed 21 of his 23 games in 2014/15 were at loosehead 14 of which were starts - including European starts.

swiwi_ · 23-04-2021 5:19am

Former Former Former wrote: »

Genuinely one of our best ever foreign signings. A quality prop on either side of the scrum. I think it was in the MOC era when he started two games against Castres, one leg at LH and the other at TH, and absolutely melted their giant pack on both occasions. And in the 5+ years since then, he's very rarely played badly.

It was a pity that his intro to Ireland was so contentious because I think he should have picked up more caps along the way.

In hindsight I’d say he regrets having said yes to kidney.

Dave_The_Sheep · 23-04-2021 5:29am

Why so?

stephen_n · 23-04-2021 9:12am

swiwi_ wrote: »

In hindsight I’d say he regrets having said yes to kidney.

I don’t think so. For all the cr@p it stirred up at the time. It brought him to Leinster and I would say he very much is glad of that. It probably created a huge amount of expectation, that he had to come to terms with. He seemed to do that quite well though.

sebdavis · 23-04-2021 9:29am

stephen_n wrote: »

I don’t think so. For all the cr@p it stirred up at the time. It brought him to Leinster and I would say he very much is glad of that. It probably created a huge amount of expectation, that he had to come to terms with. He seemed to do that quite well though.

Was it not Leinster were bringing him anyway, Kidney just met him at the airport instead of Leinster

Former Former Former · 23-04-2021 9:54am

sebdavis wrote: »

Was it not Leinster were bringing him anyway, Kidney just met him at the airport instead of Leinster

Yep, he was a Leinster signing but by the time he arrived, Fitzpatrick was injured, Buckley was done and there was quite literally no-one else to fill a green jersey.

The mad thing was, he actually played quite well in those games, but it didn't matter.

jacothelad · 23-04-2021 10:05am

Former Former Former wrote: »

Yep, he was a Leinster signing but by the time he arrived, Fitzpatrick was injured, Buckley was done and there was quite literally no-one else to fill a green jersey.

The mad thing was, he actually played quite well in those games, but it didn't matter.

Yes, the poor guy never got a chance to draw breath and acclimatise. I always hoped he would move to Ulster when Moore, Furlong etc came to the fore. I suspect there was more than a tinge of xenophobia in some of the stuff about him in some quarters. He just got on with his job. Good man.

Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

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