How do you handle getting Fired?

Shady Grady · 17-11-2019 8:14pm

I was only fired/let go once. I worked as a welder/riveter in a construction company in Harlem. The boss was using company funds to support his lifestyle and got in over his head. So he was going to fire some of us to make up for the losses. Our foreman was tasked with this but he couldn't just fire us.

Instead he told us to quit and he would backdate the resignations and write us a hell of a reference letter. And with that letter I got taken on with the Port Authority until I retired. And I am still thankful to that man.

IAMAMORON · 17-11-2019 8:24pm

Shady Grady wrote: »

I was only fired/let go once. I worked as a welder/riveter in a construction company in Harlem. The boss was using company funds to support his lifestyle and got in over his head. So he was going to fire some of us to make up for the losses. Our foreman was tasked with this but he couldn't just fire us.

Instead he told us to quit and he would backdate the resignations and write us a hell of a reference letter. And with that letter I got taken on with the Port Authority until I retired. And I am still thankful to that man.

Hey Shady, did you ever fall in love with a colleague, like deeply in love?

daheff · 17-11-2019 8:26pm

Biodegradable wrote: »

Within a year it would be too late to fire someone anyway as they'd have rights.
!

You might have rights, but it doesnt stop companies firing you. Just means its going to cost them more.

Theres no concept of punitive damages in Ireland for being let go, so (afaik) the max they are going to have to pay you is 2 years salary + legal fees. Rarely it goes to court & person getting fired gets a payout & reference and moves on

For a lot of mncs thats looking at around the 100k mark at most. Drop in the ocean for some managers to get rid of faces that no longer fit.

Shady Grady · 17-11-2019 8:28pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Hey Shady, did you ever fall in love with a colleague, like deeply in love?

All my colleagues were men and Ol' Shady doesn't swing that way

IAMAMORON · 17-11-2019 8:34pm

Shady Grady wrote: »

All my colleagues were men and Ol' Shady doesn't swing that way

Wow, how did you manage to concentrate with no women around the workforce?

Did you never have any feelings for your male colleagues. Seen as you were in New York, there must have been a vibrant "working man" scene there. How did you find it?

Biodegradable · 17-11-2019 8:37pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Your slightly missing the point Bio. It is " hip to be square" in most work environments. You will get away with being the workplace clown if you are there years, in fact if you are the workplace clown it will be expected of you. However if you are a relativity new employee it is highly likely that any joke cracking will be construed by colleagues that you are not taking your work seriously enough. After that if they do not like you , you're gonzo.

Using the example of an attractive female employee is a slightly contrived one. You could have a female boss who fancies her chances with a male colleague, it happens. Either way if you are not a harmonious part of the workface they will lose you. They might even like you but want to flex their muscles to other subordinate staff. Power games pal, they happen too.

If your going to survive in the modern workforce you need to learn how to keep your noggin down and not become conspicuous to any superior colleagues, they don't like the competition. If you become an issue they will get rid of you. The higher up an organisation you go, the more chunts you will meet, they are all over it. They did not get to where they are being nice to everyone, believe,

But what if you make a huge turn around in your performance and out perform the others? Are you really saying that would be no good at all.

Shady Grady · 17-11-2019 8:44pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Wow, how did you manage to concentrate with no women around the workforce?

Did you never have any feelings for your male colleagues. Seen as you were in New York, there must have been a vibrant "working man" scene there. How did you find it?

Never seen a woman working as a welder/riveter. My fellow workers were friends to share a few beers after work. Not sure what your after but you seem to be projecting your own needs.

Maybe decide to stay or come out of the closet.

bucketybuck · 17-11-2019 8:45pm

To believe you were fired five times I'd first have to believe you were hired five times.

IAMAMORON · 17-11-2019 8:49pm

Biodegradable wrote: »

But what if you make a huge turn around in your performance and out perform the others? Are you really saying that would be no good at all.

Technically no. If you are achieving the requirements of your PIP you should be fine. The company is in a win/win situation. You are finally their little drone doing exactly what they want you to do, great stuff all around.

The problem is that 9 times out of 10 the terms of your PIP can be unattainable. It is impossible to work efficiently whilst having everything you do scrutinised and documented. If anything it will get in the way of you actually carrying out your normal work tasks. The whole point of the PIP is for your workplace to get in your face and show you the door. Even if you manage to come off the PIP, in the unlikely event that your work is " improving", they can always put you back on it again. Add to this you will have become a social pariah in the workforce because your colleagues think your bad news because you have been singled out. The entire point of the PIP is to demoralise you and show you the door, that is really what it is designed to do.

Even if you get through it you're now faced with getting ahead in a company that essentially tried to fire you. Why would you waste your time?

IAMAMORON · 17-11-2019 8:53pm

Shady Grady wrote: »

Never seen a woman working as a welder/riveter. My fellow workers were friends to share a few beers after work. Not sure what your after but you seem to be projecting your own needs.

Maybe decide to stay or come out of the closet.

Hey Shady, I did not mean to cause you any offense, quite sincerely.

Did you not get any welder groupies hanging around the bar on a Friday evening, looking to pull a well paid New York welder?

Was there not a union … down the docks, for the working man?

Shady Grady · 17-11-2019 8:57pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Hey Shady, I did not mean to cause you any offense, quite sincerely.

Did you not get any welder groupies hanging around the bar on a Friday evening, looking to pull a well paid New York welder?

Was there not a union … down the docks, for the working man?

Not really, only groupies were the ones who wanted men in uniform, police/firefighters.

We were in a union, but didn't chase after the hookers at the docks and corners, if that is what your asking.

Purple Mountain · 17-11-2019 9:03pm

bucketybuck wrote: »

To believe you were fired five times I'd first have to believe you were hired five times.

He even managed to get fired from Dunnes.

IAMAMORON · 17-11-2019 9:06pm

Shady Grady wrote: »

Not really, only groupies were the ones who wanted men in uniform, police/firefighters.

We were in a union, but didn't chase after the hookers at the docks and corners, if that is what your asking.

It must have been difficult times Shady. Losing all the best skirt to the cops and " firemen". Eugh, I feel soiled just reading it, how awful.

What were the going rates with the dockside hookers back in the 70's and 80's, as in comparison to your weekly take home? Where they skanky?

Shady Grady · 17-11-2019 9:09pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

It must have been difficult times Shady. Losing all the best skirt to the cops and " firemen". Eugh, I feel soiled just reading it, how awful.

What were the going rates with the dockside hookers back in the 70's and 80's, as in comparison to your weekly take home? Where they skanky?

You read me wrong, I didn't go for the dock fodder. I went to the jazz clubs were you found the sensual ones. Full of love and warmth. Don't have that today and it's a shame.

Biodegradable · 17-11-2019 9:12pm

Purple Mountain wrote: »

He even managed to get fired from Dunnes.

What do you mean 'even'? Dunnes are known fro treated their staff like sh1t.

IAMAMORON · 17-11-2019 9:17pm

Shady Grady wrote: »

You read me wrong, I didn't go for the dock fodder. I went to the jazz clubs were you found the sensual ones. Full of love and warmth. Don't have that today and it's a shame.

I like your style Shady. I can imagine you swooning through the smoke filled rooms, searching out the best talent Manhattan could provide. Did you live all your life in Harlem?

I believe that there was a massive heroin epidemic in the Harlem Jazz scene of the 60's and 70's, did you ever come across it or see anyone hitting the needle, down by the docks like?

Shady Grady · 17-11-2019 9:24pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I like your style Shady. I can imagine you swooning through the smoke filled rooms, searching out the best talent Manhattan could provide. Did you live all your life in Harlem?

I believe that there was a massive heroin epidemic in the Harlem Jazz scene of the 60's and 70's, did you ever come across it or see anyone hitting the needle, down by the docks like?

Your not wrong my brother, they were good times. But we tended chasing the dragon instead of injecting the docks were only good for two things, being robbed or a STD.The jazz clubs was where the joys came from.

IAMAMORON · 17-11-2019 9:27pm

Biodegradable wrote: »

What do you mean 'even'? Dunnes are known fro treated their staff like sh1t.

Bollickings from management are part of the job. Give me a bollicking or a ticking off any day. It is when the company designs a strategy to remove you from the workforce you need to start worrying. I worked for Dunnes when I was a teenager. You got bollickings, I even got a warning once, but supermarkets don't fire staff unless they are acting the maggot altogether.

IAMAMORON · 17-11-2019 9:33pm

Shady Grady wrote: »

Your not wrong my brother, they were good times. But we tended chasing the dragon instead of injecting the docks were only good for two things, being robbed or a STD.The jazz clubs was where the joys came from.

Shady, you are stone cold dude. Wow.

Do you miss your life as a welder down on the New York docks? Do you ever take a nostalgic trip back there, maybe score some gear and the chase the dragon for the day?

What was the pussy like down in the jazz clubs? Were the lights blinding your eyes or were they dimmed? Were the rooms smoky and drizzling with the blues of
Dizzy Gillespie?

Biodegradable · 17-11-2019 9:37pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Bollickings from management are part of the job. Give me a bollicking or a ticking off any day. It is when the company designs a strategy to remove you from the workforce you need to start worrying. I worked for Dunnes when I was a teenager. You got bollickings, I even got a warning once, but supermarkets don't fire staff unless they are acting the maggot altogether.

It was a manager I didn't get along with.

One night we were facing off when the store was closed. Seeing as it was closed I thought it would be okay if I brought around my water bottle while on the shop floor. At the end of the night this manager said to me, in front of the other lads, "what's the one difference between you and all of these guys?" I answered with "you're trying to say I shouldn't have my water bottle with me?" which he didn't like.

Shady Grady · 17-11-2019 9:39pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Shady, you are stone cold dude. Wow.

Do you miss your life as a welder down on the New York docks? Do you ever take a nostalgic trip back there, maybe score some gear and the chase the dragon for the day?

What was the pussy like down in the jazz clubs? Were the lights blinding your eyes or were they dimmed? Were the rooms smoky and drizzling with the blues of
Dizzy Gillespie?

It would blow your mind. I still miss those days. Smokey filled rooms, women in their full natural beauty. It's shame those days are gone.

IAMAMORON · 17-11-2019 9:52pm

Biodegradable wrote: »

It was a manager I didn't get along with.

One night we were facing off when the store was closed. Seeing as it was closed I thought it would be okay if I brought around my water bottle while on the shop floor. At the end of the night this manager said to me, in front of the other lads, "what's the one difference between you and all of these guys?" I answered with "you're trying to say I shouldn't have my water bottle with me?" which he didn't like.

Total insubordination Bio. You simply can't be giving middle management any lip, it means you're not a team player. You weren't getting paid to hang around drinking water. I know, I know, it seems very harsh. I wasn't even there and I know your manger was a wanker. Thing is, all managers in Dunnes are, that is their job . That is why they all sit together in the same corner of the canteen every day, laughing at their shight jokes and bitching about the long termers who don't let them push them around.

Your manager was picking on you to gain brevity with your workmates. He was using you as an example of how he treats people who get on the wrong side of him. That is how **** do. Particularly the type of **** who manage staff in supermarkets.

Tony EH · 17-11-2019 10:26pm

Adyx wrote: »

Is being let go due to the place closing down the same as being fired? Everywhere I've worked has closed down, but I've never been fired.

No.

And people need to learn the difference. Getting fired is a result of something YOU do. Being let go (made redundant) is a result of something the company does.

They are absolutely not the same.

Can't believe this has to be explained though.

Adyx · 17-11-2019 10:30pm

Tony EH wrote: »

No.

And people need to learn the difference. Getting fired is a result of something YOU do. Being let go (made redundant) is a result of something the company does.

They are absolutely not the same.

Can't believe this has to be explained though.

I wasn't looking for an explanation (condescending or otherwise) but thanks.

Tony EH · 17-11-2019 10:34pm

Adyx wrote: »

I wasn't looking for an explanation (condescending or otherwise) but thanks.

It wasn't necessarily to you.

There appears to be a general air or confusion going on in this thread as to what these terms mean.

20Wheel · 17-11-2019 10:54pm

I'll have to skip the backstory as I'm on a touchscreen device, but in reference to getting fired I'm at the tail end of a project to protect myself for future income/work.
A significant amount of cash has been set aside, and plans made for references.
Now everyone's circumstances will vary, but Im doing agency work and as such I'm clocking up good karma every day that the agency make commission off me. I'm thinking to get good reputation with a few agencies, and buffer this with other references.
Upon completion I'll be pretty ****ing Teflon when it comes to any firing. Any bull**** the employer is the disposable one.

So, how do you deal with getting fired? You preempt it.

IAMAMORON · 17-11-2019 11:09pm

20Wheel wrote: »

I'll have to skip the backstory as I'm on a touchscreen device, but in reference to getting fired I'm at the tail end of a project to protect myself for future income/work.
A significant amount of cash has been set aside, and plans made for references.
Now everyone's circumstances will vary, but Im doing agency work and as such I'm clocking up good karma every day that the agency make commission off me. I'm thinking to get good reputation with a few agencies, and buffer this with other references.
Upon completion I'll be pretty ****ing Teflon when it comes to any firing. Any bull**** the employer is the disposable one.

So, how do you deal with getting fired? You preempt it.

The answer is c , get a proper keyboard.

20Wheel · 17-11-2019 11:16pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

The answer is c , get a proper keyboard.

Yeah I'll just stop in to pc world now.

blinding · 17-11-2019 11:17pm

You get used to it after awhile . But waiting in the canon the first few times is a bit nerve racking .

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 17-11-2019 11:21pm

blinding wrote: »

You get used to it after awhile . But waiting in the canon the first few times is a bit nerve racking .

It's hard to find people of the right calibre for the job.

Lucyfur · 18-11-2019 9:42am

I always make sure an employer knows that if dey can't handle me at my worst dey don't deserve me at me best xxx

Johnny Sausage · 18-11-2019 9:47am

Lucyfur wrote: »

I always make sure an employer knows that if dey can't handle me at my worst dey don't deserve me at me best xxx

live laugh luv hun

snakes on dis

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 18-11-2019 6:54pm

Biodegradable wrote: »

I'd have thought being fired would have been more synonymous with firing a rocket or a gun... as in we're firing him away from us, and nothing to do with actual fire! I wonder why that term was the one that got on in the states?!

This was hundreds of years before guns

and the English language got a bit of a hold in the states in the 18th century and earlier.

HorrorScope · 18-11-2019 6:59pm

Only got (nearly) fired once and that was from a call centre. An old bastard rang up and called me every name under the sun because his daughters phone wasn’t working. “You’ll fix this now you ****ing phone monkey or so help me god I’ll come down there to you in person” etc etc. I told him very calmly that I was 10 minutes from his address and if he really wanted to act the hard bollix, I’d call around and he could repeat what he had just said to my fist.

Que panicked call back asking the manager if he needed to ring the gardai and was I still in the building

before they even had the chance to fire me, I went up to hr, threw the swipe card at them and walked out. Was back in another job less than a week later.

I don’t deal with the public anymore thank **** because 99% of them are cowardly ****ing morons hiding behind a phone.

Strumms · 18-11-2019 7:02pm

Kayson Ugly Kelp wrote: »

It's hard to find people of the right calibre for the job.

True.

Even harder in 2019 in Ireland to find the right caliber of employer though.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 18-11-2019 7:08pm

Strumms wrote: »

True.

Even harder in 2019 in Ireland to find the right caliber of employer though.

Tell me how · 18-11-2019 9:31pm

Rented Mule wrote: »

Gave my two weeks notice at my last place of employment. The company was taking it's last swish round the ****ter (as far as I was concerned).

The woman who was recently named our Director (without any previous managerial experience) lost the head when I told her. I looked at her as one would when dealing with someone completely out of their element.

I never look back and I couldn't be happier.

If I was in her or the companies position, I'd be delighted you were leaving.

Calling a female superior 'babe', winking at them, laughing manically in their face, suggesting they are a b*tch, telling them they were in over their f*cking head, the one sided interpretation of everything listed above, all indicates to me a personality I'd rather have nowhere near my work environment.

bucketybuck · 19-11-2019 9:02am

Tell me how wrote: »

If I was in her or the companies position, I'd be delighted you were leaving.

Calling a female superior 'babe', winking at them, laughing manically in their face, suggesting they are a b*tch, telling them they were in over their f*cking head, the one sided interpretation of everything listed above, all indicates to me a personality I'd rather have nowhere near my work environment.

Did you actually believe any of that tripe?

seamus · 19-11-2019 9:22am

IAMAMORON wrote: »

People never get fired for not working hard enough. They get fired because they are unpopular with senior management and they are just a number, we all are.

You're very cynical altogether. I've encountered plenty of the dilbert-style ineffective middle managers in my time, but none with the stereotypical ridiculousness of a Friends character.

My general experience is that if someone is continually running into issues with "fitting in" or popularity, then it's less about office games and politics, and more about that person having a shi1tty personality.

People never get fired for keeping their head down and not getting involved in office socialising.

I agree though that people are rarely, if ever, fired for not working hard enough. They're usually laid off instead.

The only firing I've ever seen was during probation. The same guy was fired from two different companies during probation, I just happened to be working in both companies when he was

I've seen more people not get fired for major things than actually get fired, in my time. In a college part time job, two guys had a full-on brawl on the office floor in the middle of the day and had to be dragged off eachother. Neither got fired.

Tell me how · 19-11-2019 10:12am

bucketybuck wrote: »

Did you actually believe any of that tripe?

Unfortunately, yes.

Some borderline pyschos out there.

Maybe it's a film plot or draft screenplay.

Biodegradable · 21-11-2019 1:32pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Your manager was picking on you to gain brevity with your workmates. He was using you as an example of how he treats people who get on the wrong side of him.

Although I looked it up, I'm not sure I understand your use of the word 'brevity' there.

IAMAMORON · 21-11-2019 1:34pm

Biodegradable wrote: »

Although I looked it up, I'm not sure I understand your use of the word 'brevity' there.

I probably don't.

I am a moron you know?

Biodegradable · 21-11-2019 1:36pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I am a moron you know?

When you want to be!

Boom_Bap · 21-11-2019 1:37pm

I think i found the OPs profession

IAMAMORON · 21-11-2019 1:37pm

I should change my name to IAMAMALAPROPISM.

What do you think?

Ever changed your name Bio?

IAMAMORON · 21-11-2019 1:47pm

Biodegradable wrote: »

When you want to be!

Your fired btw.

My people will be in touch, good luck.

sbsquarepants · 21-11-2019 1:58pm

Rented Mule wrote: »

She lost the plot again and stormed out of her own office.

.

:D

I would have loved to see that!

Biodegradable · 22-11-2019 11:48am

What I particularly hate is when you hear other colleagues talking about how useless they are at their job. Sometimes when being trained up by these people they might end up showing me a particular task and complement how quick it took me to learn it compared to themselves. When you suspect you're going to get fired, comments like this will confuses you.

It would often be the case that someone in management would tell me that they cannot afford to spend extra time training me up, and then later on that day I'd have another colleague tell me how they were so bad at the same shift when they started out and how it took them months to learn it. I've come to learn that that might just be an Irish thing: talking yourself down when you're actually quite good at something. I suppose when you hear a colleague say something like "I swear to God I'm going to get fired if I mess up again today", it's a sure sign that their quite comfortable that they have their job!

22-11-2019 12:16pm

Biodegradable wrote: »

What I particularly hate is when you hear other colleagues talking about how useless they are at their job. Sometimes when being trained up by these people they might end up showing me a particular task and complement how quick it took me to learn it compared to themselves. When you suspect you're going to get fired, comments like this will confuses you.

It would often be the case that someone in management would tell me that they cannot afford to spend extra time training me up, and then later on that day I'd have another colleague tell me how they were so bad at the same shift when they started out and how it took them months to learn it. I've come to learn that that might just be an Irish thing: talking yourself down when you're actually quite good at something. I suppose when you hear a colleague say something like "I swear to God I'm going to get fired if I mess up again today", it's a sure sign that their quite comfortable that they have their job!

If you think that's bad OP, ask a clearly wealthy farmer how many acres he's got...

IAMAMORON · 22-11-2019 12:33pm

Biodegradable wrote: »

What I particularly hate is when you hear other colleagues talking about how useless they are at their job. Sometimes when being trained up by these people they might end up showing me a particular task and complement how quick it took me to learn it compared to themselves. When you suspect you're going to get fired, comments like this will confuses you.

There are a number of things happening here Bio. First of all you are realising how straightforward and mundane any workplace task is after a certain amount of time. Even landing a jumbo jet will seem straightforward to a pilot when she is doing it for the 538th time.

Compliments from colleagues can be interpreted in any one of two ways. Your are either being patronised or your colleague is exercising politeness. It is important in team mechanics that colleagues feel comfortable at all times, even if they appear to be incompetent.

Biodegradable wrote: »

It would often be the case that someone in management would tell me that they cannot afford to spend extra time training me up, and then later on that day I'd have another colleague tell me how they were so bad at the same shift when they started out and how it took them months to learn it. I've come to learn that that might just be an Irish thing: talking yourself down when you're actually quite good at something. I suppose when you hear a colleague say something like "I swear to God I'm going to get fired if I mess up again today", it's a sure sign that their quite comfortable that they have their job!

The realisation that all your workmates and colleagues are actually full of shight and are just playing a game whilst licking your bosse's arse can be a tough one to swallow when it eventually dawns on you.

How do you handle getting Fired?

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