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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    I just saw on Sky News that charities in the UK are calling for a domestic abuse register for all sorts of domestic abuse to be created like there is a sex offenders register. Only female victims were mentioned, but it was only a banner point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    I came across this on Facebook. It was a sponsored post.
    'Not all abuse is violent': What to do if you think someone may be abusing their partner
    An expert shares how he helps perpetrators to change.
    http://www.thejournal.ie/how-to-intervene-domestic-abuse-4222661-Sep2018

    Perhaps not surprisingly, given it is connected with MOVE Ireland, the article is somewhat unbalanced


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    Men’s Leadership in Gender Based Violence

    - Let’s End the Silence The South Eastern Domestic and Sexual Violence Partnership and Vital Voices Global Partnership, are pleased to invite you to participate in leadership training on gender violence prevention with Jackson Katz ( www.jacksonkatz.com ) - an internationally known expert in the field. 'Men’s Leadership in Gender Based Violence - Let’s End the Silence' will be held on Wednesday 28 th November 2018, from 10.00am to 4.00pm , in the Burrendale Hotel, Newcastle, Co. Down. Jackson Katz is the co - founder of Men tors in Violence Prevention, and has achieved global recognition for his pioneering work and activism on issues of gender, race 5 and violence. To find out more, contact Patricia McMurray, Coordinator, South Eastern Domestic and Sexual Violence Partnership at Email : patricia.mcmurray@setrust.hscni.net o r Te l: 02844 615208 .
    This appears to be about the male perpetrator-female victim model


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    https://www.safeireland.ie/domestic-violence-costing-the-economy-more-than-previously-thought/
    Domestic Violence Costing the Economy More than Previously Thought
    October 4, 2018/in Press Releases /by safe-ireland

    Agency urges politicians to keep watch for vital investments that can transform women’s lives

    Safe Ireland, the national agency working to eradicate domestic violence in Ireland, delivered a Budget Watch to all TDs and Senators today, to urge them to monitor Budget 2019 for the delivery of five essential measures of care and progress for women and children living with violence.

    The agency said that the minimum additional investment needed in 2019 to address the urgent needs of victims of domestic violence is €35 million. The agency now knows, from new research currently being carried out with NUI Galway, that is just a tiny fraction of the enormous estimated annual cost of domestic violence to the economy every year.

    Up to now, the often-cited figure on economic costs for domestic violence is €2.2 billion a year. This is based on a 2006 Council of Europe study which looked at costs across areas like policing, health bills, lost productivity and court proceedings.

    New Safe Ireland/NUI Galway research on the estimated cost of domestic violence in Ireland is indicating that the cost could actually be far greater than previously thought. The research is looking at the economic and social costs of domestic violence across three phases of a survivor’s journey, from living within the abusive relationship to relocation and recovery.

    “Domestic violence is more than a human rights violation and public health issue, By exploring its wider economic and social impact, we highlight the often invisible or ignored consequences for individuals, households, the community and society,” said Dr. Caroline Forde, Researcher at the Centre for Global Women’s Studies at NUI Galway.

    Safe Ireland called particularly for a specific, ring-fenced allocation of €15 million in the housing budget to fund and target initiatives to support women and families to access stable housing. It is widely acknowledged that domestic violence is a leading cause of homelessness for women and children.

    “It’s really easy maths. If you allocate adequate and targeted resources to prevention and support for survivors of domestic violence, you save lives, restore futures and save billions,” Caitriona Gleeson, Programme Manager with Safe Ireland said. “If you don’t address it and tinker around the edges as we have done for decades in Ireland, it continues to cost us all and leaves women and children at greater risk of revictimisation, trauma and poorer life outcomes.”

    Safe Ireland said that Ireland now has some of the most ground-breaking and progressive legislation in the world designed to protect and support survivors of domestic violence. However, legislation has to be backed up by adequate and targeted funding if it is to make a difference to people’s lives, it said.



    Five Measures of Care and Progress in Budget 2019



    1. Safe Homes: Specific ring-fenced allocation of funding and targeted initiatives for survivors of domestic violence.

    Investment Needed: €15 million

    2. Sustainable Support Services: Increase refuge and support services so that they are accessible throughout the country, upgrade facilities, bring pay and conditions of low paid professionals up to 2018 levels, breaking a pay freeze that has been in place since 2009.

    Investment Needed: €20 million

    3. Training and Awareness: Targeted and specific training and awareness training for frontline responders.

    Investment Needed: €2 million

    4. Trauma and Recovery: Development of special trauma response service.

    Investment Needed: €8 million

    5. Resource our legislation: Increase resources allocated to justice and victim support services to implement the new DV Act and Victims Directive.

    No access to cost of increasing trained personnel across other services

    https://www.safeireland.ie/domestic-violence-costing-the-economy-more-than-previously-thought/


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,535 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    iptba wrote: »
    This appears to be about the male perpetrator-female victim model

    Is he the one who wrote an article about how metoo caused him to finally read simone de beauviour and the irish times published the article?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    Is he the one who wrote an article about how metoo caused him to finally read simone de beauviour and the irish times published the article?
    This guy has been around for a number of years, so it probably isn't him:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackson_Katz


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,535 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    iptba wrote: »
    This guy has been around for a number of years, so it probably isn't him:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackson_Katz

    Sorry my bad! He was in the news recently though with the "study" about when he asked men how they avoided being raped they said nothing and when he asked women they gave a load of answers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    A sponsored post that came up in my Facebook feed:
    https://www.facebook.com/manstuff/posts/2221101984590902
    Sponsored by Cosc

    What you should do when you witness domestic abuse

    What would you do?
    Although 88,000 men have been severely abused by a partner at some point in their lives, 95% of them won't report it to the Gardai. The traditional ideologies of masculinity are no doubt part of what discourages them to speak up, but it's important that any witnesses to such abuse know how they can help.

    Research shows that 4 in 10 people in Ireland know someone who has experienced domestic violence. However, not knowing what to do when witnessing domestic violence is one of the main reasons why people give for not intervening.

    Domestic abuse can be both physical and emotional, and can affect either men or women. Trust your instincts, but remember your goal is to de-escalate the situation, so a direct approach isn't always the best course of action.
    Continues at:
    https://www.joe.ie/life-style/a-powerful-way-to-highlight-the-major-problem-of-domestic-abuse-639291


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    #SafeWorldSummit is trending
    The Safe Ireland Safe World Summit is taking place in The Mansion House on Monday and Tuesday, October 22nd and 23rd. Over 35 world leading activists, advocates, lawyers, historians, journalists, and survivors are coming to Dublin to explore the meaningful solutions that are needed to support women and children experiencing violence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    Michael D Higgins used his re-election speech last night to call for an end to the "scourge of violence against women".

    [..]

    "The urgent need to end the scourge of violence against women cannot be deferred, but must be ended now," he said to applause.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/presidential-election/the-presidency-represents-ireland-in-all-our-strengths-and-vulnerabilities-37466404.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    It irritates me to see this being held on International Men's Day.
    Description

    The Health Service Executive invites you to join with leading Irish men and Irish women to talk about the need for Gender Equality with the Men's Development Network CLG on International Men's Day and to highlight International White Ribbon Day 2018 to End Men’s Violence Against Women and Girls and to promote Gender Equality

    https://www.eventbrite.ie/e/white-ribbon-ireland-seminar-tickets-52207779875

    What are the chances the HSE would hold an event about ending Women's violence against Men and Boys on International Women's Day?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    iptba wrote: »
    It irritates me to see this being held on International Men's Day.
    Description

    The Health Service Executive invites you to join with leading Irish men and Irish women to talk about the need for Gender Equality with the Men's Development Network CLG on International Men's Day and to highlight International White Ribbon Day 2018 to End Men’s Violence Against Women and Girls and to promote Gender Equality

    https://www.eventbrite...-tickets-52207779875

    What are the chances the HSE would hold an event about ending Women's violence against Men and Boys on International Women's Day?

    Going anonymous here.

    I'm a man who'se wife (now ex-wife) emotionally and physically abused myself and our children.

    The physical trauma healed quickly. I've been to counselling, psychotherapy, stress management and practice mindfulness to help me deal with the emotional trauma.

    Two of our children, once they were old enough to decide for themselves, have also been to counselling help them deal with the emotional trauma.

    A third child has struggled with emotional difficulties and anger management as a result of the abuse.

    We've just had the Safe Ireland Safe World Summit. Of all the days to pick for this conference I don't think they could have picked a more inappropriate day. Could they not, for once, do something positive for international men's day.

    I can't begin to express how this makes me feel. The physical trauma has healed, the emotional trauma I'm (mostly) coping with but this is like a knife twisting in an open wound. It's as if I'm invisible, as if I don't exist, as if I don't matter, our children don't exist and our children and what they have been through doesn't matter.

    To dress it up in the guise of "Gender Equality" only adds insult to injury.

    Is it too much to ask for it to be equally acknowledged that I, our children and many more like us exist and that comparable supports should made available? Is it too much to ask for us and others like us to be treated equally?

    The abuse is now historic, the lack of acknowledgement, the lack of support, the discrimination is ongoing, compounds the original abuse and is possibly more harmful in the long term. It has, at times, left me frustrated, in total despair, depressed and at one stage, suicidal or having suicidal ideation and had I succumbed I wouldn't have been the first man to do so for the same reason.

    Domestic violence is not a gender issue it is a people issue and as long as one half of those people are largely ignored half of the problem will never be addressed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,455 ✭✭✭tritium


    Going anonymous here.

    I'm a man who'se wife (now ex-wife) emotionally and physically abused myself and our children.

    The physical trauma healed quickly. I've been to counselling, psychotherapy, stress management and practice mindfulness to help me deal with the emotional trauma.

    Two of our children, once they were old enough to decide for themselves, have also been to counselling help them deal with the emotional trauma.

    A third child has struggled with emotional difficulties and anger management as a result of the abuse.

    We've just had the Safe Ireland Safe World Summit. Of all the days to pick for this conference I don't think they could have picked a more inappropriate day. Could they not, for once, do something positive for international men's day.

    I can't begin to express how this makes me feel. The physical trauma has healed, the emotional trauma I'm (mostly) coping with but this is like a knife twisting in an open wound. It's as if I'm invisible, as if I don't exist, as if I don't matter, our children don't exist and our children and what they have been through doesn't matter.

    To dress it up in the guise of "Gender Equality" only adds insult to injury.

    Is it too much to ask for it to be equally acknowledged that I, our children and many more like us exist and that comparable supports should made available? Is it too much to ask for us and others like us to be treated equally?

    The abuse is now historic, the lack of acknowledgement, the lack of support, the discrimination is ongoing, compounds the original abuse and is possibly more harmful in the long term. It has, at times, left me frustrated, in total despair, depressed and at one stage, suicidal or having suicidal ideation and had I succumbed I wouldn't have been the first man to do so for the same reason.

    Domestic violence is not a gender issue it is a people issue and as long as one half of those people are largely ignored half of the problem will never be addressed.

    I’m genuinely sorry to hear what you went through. The sad truth however is if the roles were reversed and someone tried to promote men’s issues on international women’s day there would be a visible protest outside sucking in air time. Until men stop been seen as the gender that shrugs its shoulders and gets on with it this will continue. Until men, even in small numbers, stand outside these things and say it is not on, it will sadly continue


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    (Australia)

    "No interest loans part of $15 million package for domestic violence victims" (but only if they are female)

    https://www.9news.com.au/national/2018/11/20/06/37/no-interest-loans-part-of-15-million-package-for-domestic-violence-victims
    Social Services Minister Paul Fletcher said the loans would be provided through Good Shepherd Microfinance to help women set up new lives.

    "If you need to leave a dangerous situation because of domestic violence and you haven't got the financial resources to do that, you simply haven't got the money to pay for a bond, to buy new furniture in the new home, then sadly, experience says in too many cases women stay," he said.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Rory28


    iptba wrote: »
    (Australia)

    "No interest loans part of $15 million package for domestic violence victims" (but only if they are female)

    https://www.9news.com.au/national/2018/11/20/06/37/no-interest-loans-part-of-15-million-package-for-domestic-violence-victims

    While its pretty crap that male victims are not in the same boat its still a good service. There are a lot more women dependent on their husbands income than the other way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    The women killed on one day around the world
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-46292919

    This article shows that 80% of homicide victims worldwide are male.
    Probably in some cases, some of the males contributed to their own deaths e.g. by being killed due to criminal activity*.

    However, even in the category "killings by partner or family member", 36% of the victims are male. That's not an insignificant percentage of all "killings by partner or family member".

    *(Minor point) Though in some ways criminal activity can be seen as being like a dangerous occupation and the female partners of male criminals can benefit financially without undertaking the same level of risk of injury/death or incarceration.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    You'd think we were living in Viking times or something, with hordes of warrior men raping and pillaging the country.

    These people are on a different planet. Why are they so hell bent on creating strife and division between men and women?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    I don’t watch Coronation Street but happened to catch a few minutes on Virgin Media 1 on Vera Duckworth last night. There was a montage of her attacking her husband in various ways including throwing stuff at him. Actors said with a smile something like she was often violent towards him. While it didn’t look at the severe end, I doubt it would have been celebrated if the genders were reversed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    I regularly have got ads from this European political group in my Twitter feed. All the ones I recall were about gender issues (from the perspective of helping women)
    https://twitter.com/theprogressives/status/1062701731061121026?s=11


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    Good to see that there is no gender-specific language in this
    Wednesday 2 January 2019
    Charlie Flanagan: 'I am committed to do all I can to tackle scourge of domestic violence'
    Holiday times can be especially difficult for victims of domestic violence and their children. While many of us have been celebrating this holiday season with loved ones, in homes throughout Ireland women and men are being subjected to verbal abuse, psychological torment, and physical attack by their intimate partners. It is only right that we consider their plight.

    https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/charlie-flanagan-i-am-committed-to-do-all-i-can-to-tackle-scourge-of-domestic-violence-37674200.html

    It will be interesting to see on a practical level, how the new regulations will work out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    Gender not mentioned in this. I actually prefer when they mention that domestic violence can affect both genders explicitly.
    Psychological or emotional abuse to be made legal offence
    Domestic Violence Act 2018 to include new crime of coercive control
    about 18 hours ago
    Jennifer Bray
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/psychological-or-emotional-abuse-to-be-made-legal-offence-1.3745471


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭LostinBlanch


    I just came across this 2 year old New Zealand study that suggests women, well New Zealand women, were more likely to use violence than men.
    "It presents a challenging picture. If the findings were a true reflection of our community, we should be concerned," he said.

    Wills said recent 'mainstream' studies on the subject had shown about 80 per cent of the perpetrators of domestic violence were men.

    However, in their paper "A couples analysis of partner abuse with implications for abuse-prevention policy", authors Terrie Moffitt, Richard Robins and Avshalom Caspi found a more even split between the genders when it came to violence in the home.

    They found that 40 per cent of male couple members in the study had perpetrated at least one of a list of 13 physically abusive acts, ranging from slapping and kicking to forcing sex and use of a weapon, while 50 per cent of women had. The data did not fit the male-dominance model, which attributes aggression mostly to men, the researchers concluded.

    "[It] would suggest the need for policy that encourages development and evaluation of programmes to reduce physical abuse by women," the authors stated.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/81025573/domestic-violence-study-presents-challenging-picture


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    Drivetime on RTE Radio 1 today had a piece on domestic violence and the new Irish law on coercive control where non-violent behaviour is also covered.

    It can be heard here at https://rte.ie/r.html?rii=b9_10982839_83_10-01-2019_

    The relevant bit starts at 35:22

    The interviewees were Davina James-Hanman, a UK independent consultant specialising in domestic and sexual violence, and Margaret Martyn, director of Women's Aid

    It wouldn't be much of a surprise that the woman from Women's Aid only talked about female victims.
    However, the other woman is an independent consultant who trains police forces in the UK.
    She only talked about female victims until the interviewer asked about whether men's rights groups were commenting on the law in the UK or whether men could be victims. She said something to the fact that it was almost impossible for men to be victims because of the general sexism in society and the power that men have. She doesn't all sound like the sort of person who should be teaching police forces about the law. I see on Twitter she describes herself as a feminist, which is not very surprising given how she talked.

    She talked about how it can be useful to ask the alleged victim about the relationship. If there was a whirlwind romance, she said something to the effect that this circumstantial evidence of a relationship where there was coercive control. Similarly if the man had showered the woman with gifts. I am very uncomfortable with any suggestion that such behaviour should be used in a criminal investigation (it is another thing if people want to warn women to be wary of such relationships, but that wasn't the context).

    I remember hearing a good while back that Women's Aid or similar group were educating gardai about domestic violence. I wonder what the current situation is. I could easily see that training could be biased.
    At the start of the interview, a Garda Representative was complaining that they want more training for the new laws.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,948 ✭✭✭gizmo555


    iptba wrote: »
    She only talked about female victims until the interviewer asked about whether men's rights groups were commenting on the law in the UK or whether men could be victims. She said something to the fact that it was always impossible for men to be victims because of the general sexism in society and the power that men have.

    Someone should have told that to Limbani Mzoma, it might have saved his life ...

    Woman (50) charged with murder of man in Foxrock

    Body of Limbani Mzoma was discovered with some of his body parts removed


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/woman-50-charged-with-murder-of-man-in-foxrock-1.3685824


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    Shocking and sad case.
    By the way, there was a typo in my message: I meant to say "almost impossible" and instead said "always impossible".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    iptba wrote: »
    Drivetime on RTE Radio 1 today had a piece on domestic violence and the new Irish law on coercive control where non-violent behaviour is also covered.

    It can be heard here at https://rte.ie/r.html?rii=b9_10982839_83_10-01-2019_

    The relevant bit starts at 35:22

    The interviewees were Davina James-Hanman, a UK independent consultant specialising in domestic and sexual violence, and Margaret Martyn, director of Women's Aid

    It wouldn't be much of a surprise that the woman from Women's Aid only talked about female victims.
    However, the other woman is an independent consultant who trains police forces in the UK.
    She only talked about female victims until the interviewer asked about whether men's rights groups were commenting on the law in the UK or whether men could be victims. She said something to the fact that it was almost impossible for men to be victims because of the general sexism in society and the power that men have. She doesn't all sound like the sort of person who should be teaching police forces about the law. I see on Twitter she describes herself as a feminist, which is not very surprising given how she talked.

    She talked about how it can be useful to ask the alleged victim about the relationship. If there was a whirlwind romance, she said something to the effect that this circumstantial evidence of a relationship where there was coercive control. Similarly if the man had showered the woman with gifts. I am very uncomfortable with any suggestion that such behaviour should be used in a criminal investigation (it is another thing if people want to warn women to be wary of such relationships, but that wasn't the context).

    I remember hearing a good while back that Women's Aid or similar group were educating gardai about domestic violence. I wonder what the current situation is. I could easily see that training could be biased.
    At the start of the interview, a Garda Representative was complaining that they want more training for the new laws.
    Direct link is now up for the segment:
    https://rte.ie/r.html?rii=b9_21491356_83_10-01-2019_


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    (Australia)
    Coalition pledges $78 million for Australians fleeing domestic violence

    More than 450 new safe spaces are set to be built to house thousands of women and children escaping domestic violence each year, through $78 million in fresh funding.

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/coalition-pledges-78-million-for-australians-fleeing-domestic-violence

    I came across it via this article, which I haven't read yet:
    The Demonisation of Australian Men
    14th February 2019

    It is to the the federal government’s shame that it has signed on to a biased campaign depicting men as the sole agents of domestic violence, most particularly white men and boys. The obscured truth is that women are also violent, but feminist ideologues and their panderers don’t want you to know that
    https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2019/02/the-demonisation-of-australian-men/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    https://twitter.com/YvieNi/status/1100164392140898304
    "Domestic abuse does not discriminate, it can affect anyone."
    And the image only describes male on female abuse!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    That is nuts...especially when you consider that experts in the field of Domestic Abuse consistently tell us it is way more nuanced than just a gender issue.

    Indeed, 70% of non reciprocal domestic violence, that is one partner abusing the other (as opposed to both partners abusing each other) is female on male...you won't find too much headline coverage of this fact...interestingly!

    http://newscastmedia.com/domestic-violence.htm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭LostinBlanch


    It's nice to see an article in a national newspaper focusing on female perpetrators of domestic violence instead of male ones. In this case it's Suzanne Harrington in the Examiner.

    No doubt she's going to get a lot of grief from the sisterhood for going against the narrative.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    It's nice to see an article in a national newspaper focusing on female perpetrators of domestic violence instead of male ones. In this case it's Suzanne Harrington in the Examiner.

    No doubt she's going to get a lot of grief from the sisterhood for going against the narrative.
    When we think about domestic abuse, we think bruised women, terrified children, violent men. That’s the formula.



    The statistics backed this up: in Britain, it’s two dead women a week, murdered by current or former partners. Two dead women, every week, and hundreds more assaulted, controlled, terrorised. There are fewer deaths in Ireland — 216 femicides since 1996 — yet domestic violence has the highest rate of repeat offending of any crime.


    Men bash women once, twice, three times, until he loses count and she loses consciousness.
    In the UK, 7 women die at the hands of their partner each month, but so do 2 men.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭LostinBlanch


    That's the first four sentences of the article. The rest of it deals with cases of female on male domestic violence.
    Abuse can be walking on eggshells at home, being afraid of your partner, constantly placating them, worrying about their reaction, avoiding conflict, ignoring your own needs in deference to theirs, being isolated from loved-ones, having your privacy patrolled, your finances controlled, your voice unheard.

    When this happens to women, we are outraged, and have systems in place to help. We don’t have the same safeguards for men, because we are so used to women being on the receiving end of abuse, rather than perpetrating it.

    Just because abused men are a minority doesn’t make it OK. Abusive behaviour is not exclusively male.

    I wonder if she knows someone who has suffered from this, and if that led to her writing this article?

    Anyway, I expect it'll be drowned out within the next few days and forgotten about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭Defunkd



    Anyway, I expect it'll be drowned out within the next few days and forgotten about.

    This Friday being womens day, it's probably consigned to history already. If it causes even one person to think or change, the article will be worth it .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    Newstalk has just started a program solely focusing on the form of domestic violence where women are the victims and men are the perpetrators with an all-women panel.

    They have defined femicide to mean the killing of the female by a male. No wonder they like that term, as awkward cases like women killing women, including female partners can be ignored.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    I am unhappy with this tweet, which has gone over 1000 retweets and appeared in my Twitter timeline:
    https://twitter.com/CoCoAwareness/status/1109495674616320000
    Glad to see it being challenged:
    https://twitter.com/peggy_woolley/status/1109508509903831043?s=11
    https://twitter.com/senior_witch/status/1109508933088145410


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    iptba wrote: »
    I am unhappy with this tweet, which has gone over 1000 retweets and appeared in my Twitter timeline:
    https://twitter.com/CoCoAwareness/status/1109495674616320000
    Glad to see it being challenged:
    https://twitter.com/peggy_woolley/status/1109508509903831043?s=11
    https://twitter.com/senior_witch/status/1109508933088145410
    Based on the figures from England and Wales, if they were replicated internationally, 14,000 men a year are killed by their current or former partners. So again more than lightning strikes or shark deaths.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-22610534


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    Men becoming 'increasing victims' of coercive control, legal experts claim

    Gabriella Swerling
    The Telegraph
    10 March 2019
    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/men-becoming-increasing-victims-coercive-213000388.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    KIDS USED AS WEAPONS I stayed in an abusive relationship with my wife because she threatened to not let me see my kids if I left – and there are plenty of other men like me
    Matthew Wrightson was subjected to coercive control by the woman he was married to for seven years
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sun-men/8782632/abusive-relationship-wife-threatened-not-let-me-see-kids-coercive/
    A new study found that more than a third of men in the UK have admitted being a victim of such a relationship, which strips the victim of their liberty and sense of self and became illegal in December 2015.

    Separate research suggests the reasons men don’t leave abusive relationships are varied, but for 89 percent it’s because of worries about their children.

    The fear of never seeing their kids again keeps 68 per cent with their partner.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/cork-council-to-discuss-refuges-for-women-as-councillor-reveals-her-domestic-abuse-hell-920648.html
    Fianna Fáil councillor Gobnait Moynihan said that if a woman from Macroom wants to escape an abusive relationship, she is faced with moving herself and her children either to the city or Tralee. This isn’t ideal, she said, adding that women want to try and keep some normality in the lives of their children and moving so far away would be uprooting their from their school and friends.

    With no services from men, if men depend on siblings for example, the distance could be further again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,548 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    iptba wrote: »
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/cork-council-to-discuss-refuges-for-women-as-councillor-reveals-her-domestic-abuse-hell-920648.html

    Quote:
    Fianna Fáil councillor Gobnait Moynihan said that if a woman from Macroom wants to escape an abusive relationship, she is faced with moving herself and her children either to the city or Tralee. This isn’t ideal, she said, adding that women want to try and keep some normality in the lives of their children and moving so far away would be uprooting their from their school and friends.

    With no services from men, if men depend on siblings for example, the distance could be further again.

    Is there any good reason why a gender neutral approach cannot be taken to the provision of refuges / emergency accommodation for domestic abuse suffers?

    Why should there be a blatent double standard when it comes to the provision of such an important service?

    Any sporting organisation would be refused government sourced grant aid if it discriminated based on gender.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Is there any good reason why a gender neutral approach cannot be taken to the provision of refuges / emergency accommodation for domestic abuse suffers?

    Why should there be a blatent double standard when it comes to the provision of such an important service?

    Any sporting organisation would be refused government sourced grant aid if it discriminated based on gender.

    It would be very hard to manage and would put staff and service users at risk. . You have people going to refuge for genuine reasons and then you could have their spouse arrive trying to find them.

    I used to work in DV services and we had issues with women from a certain ethnic background doing this to find and threaten victims. There is no way to verify a persons identity until they arrive, I'd want some reassurance that the man or woman at the door is not going to be violent towards me trying to find their partner.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,548 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    eviltwin wrote: »
    It would be very hard to manage and would put staff and service users at risk. . You have people going to refuge for genuine reasons and then you could have their spouse arrive trying to find them.

    I used to work in DV services and we had issues with women from a certain ethnic background doing this to find and threaten victims. There is no way to verify a persons identity until they arrive, I'd want some reassurance that the man or woman at the door is not going to be violent towards me trying to find their partner.

    Is this not somewhat self contradictory? Why would it be any harder to screen for a male spouse trying to find their partner than 'women from a certain ethnic background doing this to threaten victims' or even a same gender partner?

    Even Erin Pizzey, founder of the first domestic abuse shelter has said women regularly had to be refused due to their own violent behaviour and, though she was ostracized for saying so, that domestic violence is not a gender issue and men are as much victims of domestic abuse as women.

    In this day and age shouldn't the same supports be provided to all domestic abuse suffers, female or male, in a non discriminatory manner?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Is this not somewhat self contradictory? Why would it be any harder to screen for a male spouse trying to find their partner than 'women from a certain ethnic background doing this to threaten victims' or even a same gender partner?

    Even Erin Pizzey, founder of the first domestic abuse shelter has said women regularly had to be refused due to their own violent behaviour and, though she was ostracized for saying so, that domestic violence is not a gender issue and men are as much victims of domestic abuse as women.

    In this day and age shouldn't the same supports be provided to all domestic abuse suffers, female or male, in a non discriminatory manner?

    Given the nature of DV, the danger posed to a victim when they leave and the potential danger I believe it would make staff and residents feel safer to have separate services. That's just my take as someone who worked in the area, I would not work in a situation where I could be at risk of violence on a daily basis.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    I see the Men's Development Network are setting up a helpline for male victims of domestic violence:

    https://www.facebook.com/MensHealthForumIreland/photos/a.660910803938420/2667098819986265/
    Men's Health Forum in Ireland
    14 May at 09:50 ·

    You are invited to the launch of the 'Male Advice Line' for male victims of domestic abuse in the Republic of Ireland. This will take place on Monday 20th May 2019 in Dublin ...

    It will be interesting to see how this goes. This is how they marked International Men's Day last year:
    https://www.facebook.com/mensdevelopmentnetwork/posts/2179966942036583
    The Men's Development Network

    25 November 2018 ·

    Abuse is a reality for far too many and needs to stop.

    Play your part and take the pledge to never commit, excuse or remain silent about men's violence against women and girls.

    The shared post is highlights from The White Ribbon Ireland Seminar on Gender Equality which was run by The Men's Development Network for International Men's Day 2018.

    Help to support this campaign by buying a white ribbon on November 25th or text WHITE RIBBON to 50300 to donate €4.

    #WhiteRibbonIrl #MakeThePledge #EndMVAWG #NoExcuse


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    I just saw a piece on Sky News, where it is said 10 women in the UK who killed their male partners are hoping to be either freed or have reduced sentences following a ruling during the week where a woman who had supposedly suffered years of psychological abuse had her conviction reduced from murder to manslaughter, resulting in her release.

    Whatever about the pros and cons of such cases, it's unclear to me why only female perpetrators of killings could benefit from reduced sentences. It seems to be based on the view that domestic violence is something done by men to women.

    Edited to add:
    I just read elsewhere a commentator describe some of the details of what happened in the case where the woman was freed:
    At the time of the attack, they had been living separately for 1 year.
    She attacked him because he was seeing another woman.
    She attacked him with a hammer and hit him 20 times.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    iptba wrote: »
    I just saw a piece on Sky News, where it is said 10 women in the UK who killed their male partners are hoping to be either freed or have reduced sentences following a ruling during the week where a woman who had supposedly suffered years of psychological abuse had her conviction reduced from murder to manslaughter, resulting in her release.

    Whatever about the pros and cons of such cases, it's unclear to me why only female perpetrators of killings could benefit from reduced sentences. It seems to be based on the view that domestic violence is something done by men to women.

    Edited to add:
    I just read elsewhere a commentator describe some of the details of what happened in the case where the woman was freed:
    Article on first case:
    https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/06/08/sally-challen-is-no-hero/


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