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*SNIP* warns of future attacks if Muhammad is mocked

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  • #152
    Standman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,681 ✭✭✭Standman


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Does anyone really know what Mohammed looks like?

    No. Even when he was alive depictions of him were forbidden. Ironically, he was eventually executed for depicting himself.


  • #153
    cruais
    Registered Users Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭cruais


    Sick of these people shoving their religion down people's throats.


  • #154
    caorach_mor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5 ✭caorach_mor


    All organized religions should be systematically removed from society in my opinion.

    Except Hare Krishna's, they are f**king cool.


  • #155
    Aongus Von Bismarck
    Registered Users Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭Aongus Von Bismarck


    seanaway wrote: »
    Just been reading the news reports from around the world.
    Anyone here seen any reports of people in the streets in any muslim country showing solidarity for France?

    Genuine question here and I'm NOT trying to make a point other than there were/are plenty of people on the streets supporting Palestinians, Iraqies, Syrians etc... in Paris and other western cities.

    Just wondered if there is any reciprocation of solidarity. Hope so because it will be a real negative if there haven't been any.

    And yes there were statements from Arab League leaders etc... but I'm talking about people on the streets.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2015/01/car-bomb-explodes-outside-yemen-police-centre-2015175443717838.html

    How many were out protesting in solidarity at the car bomb that killed three times as many people in Yemen on the same day?

    Whilst this attack in Paris is horrendous, gruesome and utterly contemptible, worse attacks happen on a daily basis in the arab world.


  • #156
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,069 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    caorach_mor wrote: »
    All organized religions should be systematically removed from society in my opinion.

    Yes, that worked out well under Stalin :rolleyes:


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  • #157
    Sisko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭Sisko


    seanaway wrote: »
    We have it because we have politicians and others who like to think they are liberal and multicultural.

    In fact, they know bugger all about either and go around trying to tell everyone we should copy the mistakes made by others. Then they call people ignorant if they express opinions which don't reflect their own new found 'beliefs'.


    They made a mess of Britain with all that clap trap - as can be witnessed by the loony on rte tonight.

    What!?

    The blasphemy law is crazy right winger stuff :confused:


  • #158
    SILVAMAN
    Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭SILVAMAN


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Does anyone really know what Mohammed looks like?

    at this stage the odd bone frgment


  • #159
    SILVAMAN
    Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭SILVAMAN


    mickmackey1 wrote: »
    Haha and you're probably one of the loons bleating about free speech. You guys crack me up :D:D
    free speech has its limits when you demand the murder and wholesale slaughter of people who hold different views from yourself
    that is what Choudery does


  • #160
    TwoShedsJackson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭TwoShedsJackson


    SILVAMAN wrote: »
    free speech has its limits when you demand the murder and wholesale slaughter of people who hold different views from yourself
    that is what Choudery does

    He should be allowed do that until he is blue in the face, to let others see what a nut he is. If you shut him up it radicalises him and some of his supporters, which may lead to his ridiculous words being transferred into deeds.


  • #161
    seanaway
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭seanaway


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2015/01/car-bomb-explodes-outside-yemen-police-centre-2015175443717838.html

    How many were out protesting in solidarity at the car bomb that killed three times as many people in Yemen on the same day?

    Whilst this attack in Paris is horrendous, gruesome and utterly contemptible, worse attacks happen on a daily basis in the arab world.

    I don't think you got my point. I was asking about people sympathising with France.

    The car bomb in Yemen is intra-muslim -horrendous and disgusting. It was not a bomb planted by Christians against Muslims for saying something about Jesus.

    No one in the west would condone such an attack and there would be public outrage and demonstartons suppportng muslims if that were to happen. As there were supporting Iraq and Palestine.


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  • #162
    seanaway
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭seanaway


    Sisko wrote: »
    What!?

    The blasphemy law is crazy right winger stuff :confused:
    You agree with me so.

    My point is the law should be removed. It is supported by those I mentioned. Listen to the nut on Prime time last night. He'd love the chance to stir it up by bringing a case. Foment division and step into the resulting chaos.

    Hitler did it, Stalin did it, The Taliban did it ......


  • #163
    Paz-CCFC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭Paz-CCFC


    seanaway wrote: »
    I'll leave you to your childish pleasures so.

    I love your derision of so-called childishness, whilst simultaneously replying in a manner akin to "it's my ball and if you don't let me win, I'm taking it home with me". You seem unwilling (or unable) to back up your own points and analogies, which is fine, so I suppose it's best to hold onto your ball. I'll hold onto my views of not wanting people kicked out of the country for simply having a different opinion.


  • #164
    seanaway
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭seanaway


    Standman wrote: »
    No. Even when he was alive depictions of him were forbidden. Ironically, he was eventually executed for depicting himself.
    I thought he was poisened after eating a bit of lamb. Woman poisened him.


  • #165
    seanaway
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭seanaway


    Paz-CCFC wrote: »
    I love your derision of so-called childishness, whilst simultaneously replying in a manner akin to "it's my ball and if you don't let me win, I'm taking it home with me". You seem unwilling (or unable) to back up your own points and analogies, which is fine, so I suppose it's best to hold onto your ball. I'll hold onto my views of not wanting people kicked out of the country for simply having a different opinion.

    I think if you read the interactions carefully it was you who brought in 'little victory' type talk. I don't believe in point scoring/keeping. Mature discussion is about expression and persuasion.

    Your statement clearly showed you see it as a game to be won or lost. Hence the childishness.

    I treat your opinions to be as equally valid as mine. I wasn't asking for everyone who expresses a different opinion to be kicked out.

    It is those who chose to come to Ireland for a better life becasue of our freedoms and then want those freedoms removed I was aiming at.

    If you come because of the freedoms then don't expect us to remove them to suit your warped philosophy of life so that you can condone the cold blooded massacre of talented innocent civilians.

    If they really believe that everyone should be able to change teh way an adopted country should behave, let's start with the countries they come from. Maybe start with the Vatican funding a church in Mecca.


  • #166
    RobertKK
    Registered Users Posts: 33,752 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    This is simple, just draw pictures of Muhammad's wife playing with other children.

    Mrs Muhammad with friends,and show them being supervised by adults.

    ...and use it as an ad against child trafficking.


  • #167
    kingchess
    Registered Users Posts: 795 ✭✭✭kingchess


    Heard the tale end of an interview on REDfm between some spokesman for Islam and that bollix Neil Prenderville,crazy stuff,sodomy and adultery would be punished by death if we are under sharia law etc, But how representable are these spokesmen of the every day views of 1.8 billion Muslims?? are they a bit like a Catholic Bishop insisting that Church law is above Irish law??


  • #168
    FluffyAngel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 518 ✭✭✭FluffyAngel


    Is Snip a new terrorist orgnastion?


  • #169
    irish coldplayer
    Registered Users Posts: 203 ✭✭irish coldplayer


    kingchess wrote: »
    Heard the tale end of an interview on REDfm between some spokesman for Islam and that bollix Neil Prenderville,crazy stuff,sodomy and adultery would be punished by death if we are under sharia law etc, But how representable are these spokesmen of the every day views of 1.8 billion Muslims?? are they a bit like a Catholic Bishop insisting that Church law is above Irish law??

    The stats in this pew poll posted in another thread don't make for pleasant reading
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=93757303&postcount=176


  • #170
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,305 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    So... religious figure promises future attacks if free speech is kept?

    Ask him to watch Father Ted, tbh. Actually, imagine a Father Ted sketch done with two Islamic imams? That'd probably send them over the edge!


  • #171
    pah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,606 ✭✭✭pah


    Surely the blasphemy law in this country refers to Christianity and attempting to use said law in reference to Islam and Mohammad is in itself blasphemous?


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  • #172
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,298 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    pah wrote: »
    Surely the blasphemy law in this country refers to Christianity and attempting to use said law in reference to Islam and Mohammad is in itself blasphemous?

    As much as I disagree with the blasphemy law restricting it to only cover the certain religions we like is a ridiculous notion


  • #173
    drumswan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,592 ✭✭✭drumswan


    pah wrote: »
    Surely the blasphemy law in this country refers to Christianity and attempting to use said law in reference to Islam and Mohammad is in itself blasphemous?

    And pretty sure Allah and Jehovah are the same (fictional) chap, Jesus and Mohammed are considered divine prophets in Islam


  • #174
    Piliger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2015/01/car-bomb-explodes-outside-yemen-police-centre-2015175443717838.html

    How many were out protesting in solidarity at the car bomb that killed three times as many people in Yemen on the same day?

    Whilst this attack in Paris is horrendous, gruesome and utterly contemptible, worse attacks happen on a daily basis in the arab world.

    Well we don't live in the arab world ...


  • #175
    bjork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    With this defense I'm not sure why we're too worried. Surely we have a "few reasonable people"

    https://www.constitution.ie/AttachmentDownload.ashx?mid=54533e30-c843-e311-8571-005056a32ee4

    Finally, it is a defence to the crime to prove that a reasonable person would find genuine literary, artistic, political, scientific, or academic value in the matter to which the offence relates.


  • #176
    Piliger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    bjork wrote: »
    With this defense I'm not sure why we're too worried. Surely we have a "few reasonable people"

    https://www.constitution.ie/AttachmentDownload.ashx?mid=54533e30-c843-e311-8571-005056a32ee4

    Finally, it is a defence to the crime to prove that a reasonable person would find genuine literary, artistic, political, scientific, or academic value in the matter to which the offence relates.

    Of course it is a defence. But the Irish media are not willing to risk their wallets.


  • #177
    Stev_o
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,249 ✭✭✭Stev_o


    seanaway wrote: »
    Just been reading the news reports from around the world.
    Anyone here seen any reports of people in the streets in any muslim country showing solidarity for France?

    Genuine question here and I'm NOT trying to make a point other than there were/are plenty of people on the streets supporting Palestinians, Iraqies, Syrians etc... in Paris and other western cities.

    Just wondered if there is any reciprocation of solidarity. Hope so because it will be a real negative if there haven't been any.

    And yes there were statements from Arab League leaders etc... but I'm talking about people on the streets.

    Nearly every major Arab countries media has come out and condemned the attacks.

    We don't go marching outside the Mexico embassy every week after a massacre happens there.


  • #178
    seanaway
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭seanaway


    drumswan wrote: »
    And pretty sure Allah and Jehovah are the same (fictional) chap, Jesus and Mohammed are considered divine prophets in Islam

    Tempted to do the 'He said Jehovah - stome him' piece but

    The difference between the two is that Jehovah did not kill - Mohammad killed all over the place. In fact was something of a warmonger according to the koran.


  • #179
    seanaway
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭seanaway


    Stev_o wrote: »
    Nearly every major Arab countries media has come out and condemned the attacks.

    We don't go marching outside the Mexico embassy every week after a massacre happens there.

    Again, I say ... People - NOT Media - NOT politicians who are worried about thier own asses - PEOPLE on the streets . Just like in Paris when poeple showed support for the Palestinians. I would like to have seen at least the Palestinians out showing some sympathy for those who tried to help them. But it seems that just isn't going to happen is it?

    You DO have to ask why.


  • #180
    Piliger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    Stev_o wrote: »
    Nearly every major Arab countries media has come out and condemned the attacks.
    What ? a few westernised politicians ? Give me breath ...
    We don't go marching outside the Mexico embassy every week after a massacre happens there.
    We would if the murder was Irish.


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  • #181
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,329 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    seanaway wrote: »
    Tempted to do the 'He said Jehovah - stome him' piece but

    The difference between the two is that Jehovah did not kill - Mohammad killed all over the place. In fact was something of a warmonger according to the koran.

    Jehovah being God was pretty fond of a bit of mass murder and regular genocides especially in the Torah (old testament).


  • #182
    seanaway
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭seanaway


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Jehovah being God was pretty fond of a bit of mass murder and regular genocides especially in the Torah (old testament).

    Are you referring to an act of god or the act of a prophet?


  • #183
    RainMaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 459 ✭✭RainMaker


    kingchess wrote: »
    Heard the tale end of an interview on REDfm between some spokesman for Islam and that bollix Neil Prenderville,crazy stuff,sodomy and adultery would be punished by death if we are under sharia law etc, But how representable are these spokesmen of the every day views of 1.8 billion Muslims?? are they a bit like a Catholic Bishop insisting that Church law is above Irish law??
    Just read the article in the Irish Times (http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/us-use-of-shannon-airport-makes-ireland-a-target-anjem-choudary-1.2060258)

    Curious why this didn't fall under the auld Section 31 of the Broadcasting act which prevented any direct quotes from Sinn Fein for years (not a Sinn Fein supported, just curious why the same doesn't apply here...) Remember when Gerry Adams had to be dubbed on BBC for example?

    Former minister for communications once instructed RTE not to broadcast anything which fell under the following guidelines:

    "any matter that could be calculated to promote the aims or activities of any organisation which engages in, promotes, encourages or advocates the attaining of any particular objectives by violent means."


  • #184
    seanaway
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭seanaway


    RainMaker wrote: »
    Just read the article in the Irish Times (http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/us-use-of-shannon-airport-makes-ireland-a-target-anjem-choudary-1.2060258)

    Curious why this didn't fall under the auld Section 31 of the Broadcasting act which prevented any direct quotes from Sinn Fein for years (not a Sinn Fein supported, just curious why the same doesn't apply here...) Remember when Gerry Adams had to be dubbed on BBC for example?

    Former minister for communications once instructed RTE not to broadcast anything which fell under the following guidelines:

    "any matter that could be calculated to promote the aims or activities of any organisation which engages in, promotes, encourages or advocates the attaining of any particular objectives by violent means."

    Never really worked and the whole thing was justs illy. Better to take their residency off them and send them to sandland - it is what they think is a great place from what they say so I'm sure they'd be happy living under sharia law - unless they're into sodomy etc.. in whch case...


  • #185
    mr67stag
    Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭mr67stag


    Sharia law looks pretty tempting firstly you will live in a place /country where the sun will shine all everyday hence no expensive heating bills.
    Women are not allowed to drive.
    Sand everywhere so the kids have sand and sun to play in and if you are lucky there will be beach nearby.
    One of your civic duties is to throw stones at women convicted of adultrey ,so in essence this is sharia laws multicutural intragration ,as you will be observing a christian commandment regarding adultrey.
    You can have seven wives.
    You can make a bold fashion statement by not having a moustache.
    Thieves have thier hans chopped so no thieves in your midsts.
    A full time job in the moral police is a pretty cushy job a pays well.
    The weekend starts thursday as you get friday or a large part of it off for prayers.
    You will never forget it time for prayers as the iman is automated so to speak.
    I suppose it has a two downsides i can think of one being burkinis and another small one is if you want to express a view point thats not allowed you will be imprisoned tortured and killed but apart from that i cant see any other downside.


  • #186
    seanaway
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭seanaway


    I suppose it has a two downsides i can think of one being burkinis........

    Would that be like a two piece burka worn on the beach you mentioned?


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  • #187
    bjork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    Are burkinis not a bit tight?


    I prefer the over coats I saw them wearing in the sea in Tunisia. Much better!


  • #188
    The Saint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,932 ✭✭✭The Saint


    seanaway wrote: »
    I would like to have seen at least the Palestinians out showing some sympathy for those who tried to help them. But it seems that just isn't going to happen is it?

    You clearly weren't paying very close attention then.
    Palestinians gather in Ramallah, Gaza to support France

    Hundreds of Palestinians in Ramallah and Gaza City on Sunday participated in rallies in solidarity with France in light of the spate of attacks last week.

    http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=753154
    Abbas: Paris Terror Attack a 'Heinous Crime'

    PA condemns the terrorist on the Charlie Hebdo satirical magazine, says it is in contradiction of religion and morality.

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/189649#.VLo1iEeUeSo
    Hamas has condemned the Charlie Hebdo massacre after the Israeli Prime Minister drew parallels between the shooting and the group’s firing of rockets into Israel from the Gaza strip.

    A statement from the Islamist group to news agency AFP said it “condemns the attack against Charlie Hebdo magazine and insists on the fact that differences of opinion and thought cannot justify murder”.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-attacks-hamas-condemns-charlie-hebdo-massacre-after-netanyahu-makes-comparison-to-gaza-rockets-9970096.html


  • #189
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,316 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    drumswan wrote: »
    And pretty sure Allah and Jehovah are the same (fictional) chap, Jesus and Mohammed are considered divine prophets in Islam

    And a lot of the worst rules in Islam were nicked from the Bible/Torah.


  • #190
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,316 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    seanaway wrote: »
    Tempted to do the 'He said Jehovah - stome him' piece but

    The difference between the two is that Jehovah did not kill - Mohammad killed all over the place. In fact was something of a warmonger according to the koran.

    Jehovah committed all kinds of atrocities. He wiped out every living thing on earth except for Noah and his boat.

    http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=21
    1. God drowns the whole earth.
    In Genesis 7:21-23, God drowns the entire population of the earth: men, women, children, fetuses, and perhaps unicorns. Only a single family survives. In Matthew 24:37-42, gentle Jesus approves of this genocide and plans to repeat it when he returns.

    2. God kills half a million people.
    In 2 Chronicles 13:15-18, God helps the men of Judah kill 500,000 of their fellow Israelites.

    3. God slaughters all Egyptian firstborn.
    In Exodus 12:29, God the baby-killer slaughters all Egyptian firstborn children and cattle because their king was stubborn.

    4. God kills 14,000 people for complaining that God keeps killing them.
    In Numbers 16:41-49, the Israelites complain that God is killing too many of them. So, God sends a plague that kills 14,000 more of them.

    5. Genocide after genocide after genocide.
    In Joshua 6:20-21, God helps the Israelites destroy Jericho, killing “men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys.” In Deuteronomy 2:32-35, God has the Israelites kill everyone in Heshbon, including children. In Deuteronomy 3:3-7, God has the Israelites do the same to the people of Bashan. In Numbers 31:7-18, the Israelites kill all the Midianites except for the virgins, whom they take as spoils of war. In 1 Samuel 15:1-9, God tells the Israelites to kill all the Amalekites – men, women, children, infants, and their cattle – for something the Amalekites’ ancestors had done 400 years earlier.

    If anyone, Christian, Muslim or Jew took that kind of sh1t seriously the could really justify just about any kind of atrocity.


  • #191
    mr67stag
    Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭mr67stag


    Focus on the positives not the nagatives of burkinis and free speech.
    No expensive tution fees for your daughters , they are not allowed eduaction.
    Relegion of islam is Forever safe as changing relegion is considered treason and punished by death.
    Those pesky jehovanah witnesses will never call to your house again.
    Chasity of your children is safe as pre maritial sex is punished by 100 lashes.
    No rowdy late night behaviour from drunk revellers as both drink and socialising are banned.
    You can have a portable holiday home AKA haram like col Gadaffi RIP had ,Tony blair thought it was very nice when he visited his old mate in the desert.
    If you want eternity in paradise with 40 virgins blow yourself, as well as others with you of course.

    I could go on and on but maybe these guys who want us to live under sharia are just not selling the message.they just need some PR men to put a spin on it i am thinking
    Frank Flannery or PJ mara.


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  • #192
    seanaway
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭seanaway


    Grayson wrote: »
    Jehovah committed all kinds of atrocities. He wiped out every living thing on earth except for Noah and his boat.

    http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=21



    If anyone, Christian, Muslim or Jew took that kind of sh1t seriously the could really justify just about any kind of atrocity.

    I won't argue with what you say but let's get real with your source material....

    I have no doubt I could find a site thatt would say the COMPLETE opposite to what you have posted and quote it as *REAL* info.


    Quote from the Torah/Bible/Koran but not some site you like...

    Come back and then you might be taken seriously....


  • #193
    irish coldplayer
    Registered Users Posts: 203 ✭✭irish coldplayer


    seanaway wrote: »
    I won't argue with what you say but let's get real with your source material....

    I have no doubt I could find a site thatt would say the COMPLETE opposite to what you have posted and quote it as *REAL* info.


    Quote from the Torah/Bible/Koran but not some site you like...

    Come back and then you might be taken seriously....
    I really don't see your problem with this.:confused:

    The source material is from an Atheist website which is quite obvious when you follow the link, and granted they are coming at it from a particular viewpoint i.e. religion is nonsense.

    However each story they describe has a link to the exact passage of the bible which describes it.
    They link directly to biblegateway.com which if you look at it is hardly a secular or atheist website.
    It is a site devoted to the study of the bible and Christianity and includes sections such as "discover Gods heart" etc.

    So when you ask them to quote directly from the Bible/Torah/Koran, they already have, you just didn't follow the links.


  • #194
    nick 56
    Registered Users Posts: 164 ✭✭nick 56


    I was just reading this thread and realised that it proves the value of anonymity on internet debate sites.

    Small point but this was a subject of debate in my house in relation to SJWs etc.


  • #195
    seanaway
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭seanaway


    irish coldplayer wrote: »
    I really don't see your problem with this.:confused:

    The source material is from an Atheist website which is quite obvious when you follow the link, and granted they are coming at it from a particular viewpoint i.e. religion is nonsense.

    However each story they describe has a link to the exact passage of the bible which describes it.
    They link directly to biblegateway.com which if you look at it is hardly a secular or atheist website.
    It is a site devoted to the study of the bible and Christianity and includes sections such as "discover Gods heart" etc.

    So when you ask them to quote directly from the Bible/Torah/Koran, they already have, you just didn't follow the links.

    The problem is that anyone can take anything from any long book, out of context,a nd then provide an 'interpretation' to fit as needs be.

    This is why this thread is here. Some nuts took a piece from the Koran, decided it said it was ok to do just about anything they wanted to do and then went off and did it.

    You will no doubt find good and bad in and out of religion. The issue is not to quote what suits.


  • #196
    Piliger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    seanaway wrote: »
    This is why this thread is here. Some nuts took a piece from the Koran, decided it said it was ok to do just about anything they wanted to do and then went off and did it.

    You will no doubt find good and bad in and out of religion. The issue is not to quote what suits.

    I don't believe you are fully right in this. The issue is not just that they "took a piece from the Koran, decided it said it was ok to do just about anything they wanted to do and then went off and did it" and that this can be done for every religion.
    The problem that some people, me included, have with Islam is that the whole thing is a quagmire of scripture ... a buffet of hate for anyone choosing to make that choice. Every piece of 'scripture' is as valid as any other, according to Islam.

    As least in catholicism and most other main stream christianity there is a central authority that is seen by almost the whole of their members as representing and conferring legitimacy. so when someone picks out something from the old testament for example, it simply won't wash as a claim to represent christianity.

    In Islam this is not the case. There is no central decider of legitimacy, no authority, no arbiter of what is acceptable or not.


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