Northern Ireland- a failure 99 years on?

Given that it is suggested by the polls that many nationalists born and bred in Northern Ireland would vote to remain within the UK in a referendum, I am would really like to read a post from one of these nationalists outlining their reasons why they would vote in such a way. I believe, as previously posted, that the reason is purely economic e.g. job security, making a living, etc. Maybe, this is not the full story. I would really like to know if there are other reasons why they may make that choice in the referendum. Also, I would like to hear why they believe that Northern Ireland is a success 99 years on. Any takers?

blanch152 wrote: »

Pretty easy, just talk to young people from a nationalist background in the North and many will say that they are happy with the status quo and aren’t as interested in some sentimental aspiration as their ancestors.

Surely there's at least one such person who could speak for themselves and contribute to the thread?

Five Eighth wrote: »

Given that it is suggested by the polls that many nationalists born and bred in Northern Ireland would vote to remain within the UK in a referendum, I am would really like to read a post from one of these nationalists outlining their reasons why they would vote in such a way. I believe, as previously posted, that the reason is purely economic e.g. job security, making a living, etc. Maybe, this is not the full story. I would really like to know if there are other reasons why they may make that choice in the referendum. Also, I would like to hear why they believe that Northern Ireland is a success 99 years on. Any takers?

It’s a fair question if you did not attach the subjective ‘success’ question. I do think blach has summed up a fair bit of the answer ie living standard and lifestyle are fairly good, nhs etc as shown in the poll, we are part of a very large nation which enables such things as our current furlough system. But more than anything as blanch says, they aren’t interested in rocking the status quo for some 100-year old aspiration that they are not too bothered about. They also have the internet etc so they can access a range of views outside of their narrow community view.
I am not a young nationalist so just my observations.

downcow wrote: »

It’s a fair question if you did not attach the subjective ‘success’ question. I do think blach has summed up a fair bit of the answer ie living standard and lifestyle are fairly good, nhs etc as shown in the poll, we are part of a very large nation which enables such things as our current furlough system. But more than anything as blanch says, they aren’t interested in rocking the status quo for some 100-year old aspiration that they are not too bothered about. They also have the internet etc so they can access a range of views outside of their narrow community view.
I am not a young nationalist so just my observations.

Firstly, i didn't specify that the contributor had to be anything other than a nationalist born and bred in Northern Ireland. Secondly, as you state you are not a 'young nationalist'. Therefore, any chance that Northern Ireland nationalist might be allowed speak for himself/herself. Thank you.

Five Eighth wrote: »

Firstly, i didn't specify that the contributor had to be anything other than a nationalist born and bred in Northern Ireland. Secondly, as you state you are not a 'young nationalist'. Therefore, any chance that Northern Ireland nationalist might be allowed speak for himself/herself. Thank you.

I don’t think the average’young nationalist’ will comment here for the very reason blanch identified ie it’s far down their list of important issues in their life. They are just not interested. They are fine with the status quo. It’s what fitzs poll said and it’s what those of us living in ni just know.
The average young nationalist does not even say ‘the north’, they are happy to buy into ni. It’s not perfect and there are headers on both sides but unfortunately for the old republicans on here, it’s done, over, past. The Ira ensures their will never be unification (at least for several more generations)

Five Eighth wrote: »

Any chance you might leave Northern Ireland nationalists speak for themselves?

Don’t get cross with me. I wouldn’t hold your breath for many responses from the young nationalists who are not interested in your old conflict - exactly because they are not interested!

Five Eighth wrote: »

You obviously believe that you know the Northern Ireland nationalist mind and are exhibiting a very ageist attitude by continuously emphasising 'young nationals' to the exclusion of the older generation. Is it too much to ask that you might allow Northern Ireland nationalists to decide for themselves whether they wish to contribute to the thread or not. Thank you.

Wise up. I was responding to your post where you emphasised ‘young nationalist’. Sorry apologies for blocking them posting. I give them an hour or so. No doubt we’ll be inundated

Five Eighth wrote: »

'Wise up'? Touching on a patronising and sarcastic tone, i'm afraid. Please refer to original post on this matter #1862 and identify where i "emphasised young nationalist"? It's the prerogative of those Northern Ireland nationalists to decide whether they post or not - if they decide not to, then we'll just move on.

Too easy to just move on. You need to accept why they don’t care enough to post

Mr Lord John Kilc Looney lives up to his titled name.

Scoondal wrote: »

Britain doesn't want Northern Ireland and a lot of people in Republic of Ireland does not want this dis-functional society to be part of our country.
On 1 January, Northern Ireland will be part of UK, outside EU but part of EU Single Market. A bit of this and a bit of that. Wishey washey.

Fitz posted a poll recently demonstrating that every age group living in ni are happy with it. Does it really matter what southerners think? And thanks to the gfa, we control our own destiny. Thank god for the gfa.

Scoondal wrote: »

Okay, go ahead and control your own destiny. The citizens of The Republic of Ireland are not "southeners". You can keep your own insulting language to your own "country".

Absolutely unintended insult. I had no idea your people were offended by the term ‘southerners’ .......And if others can confirm that “southerners” is offensive then I will refrain from using a term I have used all my life, unwittingly, and indeed in the company of (I am not sure what to call them now) republic of Irelanders.
Could you tell me what is a handy term I could use to refer to specifically those living in the 26 counties?
It is ironic that your last post you described ‘northerners’ as dysfunctional and wishywashy.
Your main football forum officially refers to the NI football team as ’the Nordies’, which seems like a fair enough nickname to me and not particularly offensive https://forum.ybig.ie/euro-2020-draw_topic57282_post2335219.html?KW=Nordies#2335219

Scoondal wrote: »

Okay, go ahead and control your own destiny. The citizens of The Republic of Ireland are not "southeners". You can keep your own insulting language to your own "country".

They affectionately known as 'Mexicans' :pac:

Feisar wrote: »

I get Mexicans because, south of the border. But can you please explain Comanche!

Dunno where it started but first time I heard it was when my now father-in-law called me it lol. It's all just in jest and to wind them up I just smile and say I'd rather be a mexican than a brit, works a treat every time haha.

downcow wrote: »

Absolutely unintended insult. I had no idea your people were offended by the term ‘southerners’ .......And if others can confirm that “southerners” is offensive then I will refrain from using a term I have used all my life, unwittingly, and indeed in the company of (I am not sure what to call them now) republic of Irelanders.
Could you tell me what is a handy term I could use to refer to specifically those living in the 26 counties?
It is ironic that your last post you described ‘northerners’ as dysfunctional and wishywashy.
Your main football forum officially refers to the NI football team as ’the Nordies’, which seems like a fair enough nickname to me and not particularly offensive https://forum.ybig.ie/euro-2020-draw_topic57282_post2335219.html?KW=Nordies#2335219

There is no need for such a specific term.

Irish is specific enough.

It's only relevant to someone who wants to set themselves apart. Namely those who see themselves as British.

lawred2 wrote: »

There is no need for such a specific term.

Irish is specific enough.

It's only relevant to someone who wants to set themselves apart. Namely those who see themselves as British.

So lawred, eg if you wanted to refer to the group of people who live on this island but don’t have access to the nhs how would you do it in a word?

Ps I know loads of people who don’t even live on this island who refer to themselves as Irish. So that doesn’t really work