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Government to discuss right to protest

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    #152
    Acosta
    Registered Users Posts: 2,259 ✭✭✭Acosta


    The FNG wrote: »
    I agre, and I don't support the covid protesters, but I don't think the government can crack down on them when they allowed the blm protests go ahead.

    I didn't agree with those protests taking place outside America during a pandemic, but at least they took place here at a time when it was very low in the community. That happened about 3 months back. Having any type of large gathering in Dublin at the moment is a terrible idea.


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    #153
    conorhal
    Registered Users Posts: 6,983 ✭✭✭conorhal


    KyussB wrote: »
    Simple fact is, if you restrict the right to protest because of violent protestors - then you're only going to have the organised violent protestors left, because the guards are useless and would easily be overwhelmed by them - they can't even stop a bunch of teenagers from rallying and burning out cars routinely, they just sit and watch like useless fuckwits.

    All of the peaceful protestors will be driven away by the guards, leaving only the violent protestors.

    Remember that to governments that pursue NeoLiberal policies that worsen wealth/income inequaltiy - ceding power to fascists is far more preferable to those advocating left-leaning economics - and the police will protect fascists, and discriminate against more peaceful left-leaning advocates instead.

    That's what we're already seeing elsewhere in the western world. That's how it went in the 1930's. That's what we're going to see here, if we allow any erosion of the right to protest.


    I honestly can't decide if these people are so stupid and terminally short sighted that they can't actually follow their dumb rhetoric to it's logical conclusion...Or.. if they are so warped and evil that they're actually prepared to cut of their nose to spite your face because they really crave a complete destruction of society, probably because daddy didn't buy them the pony they wanted for their 12th birthday.



    We've seen this all before and we know how it plays out, government's are always reluctant to surrender 'emergency powers' that grant them the right to control the plebs.
    Look at the 'patriot act' in the US. 20yrs after 9/11 and it has been primarily been used as a tool of mass surveillance on ordinary US citizens.
    On the Libtard side of things (and an indicator of just how wrong such bone headed powers can be) the Left extended the power and scope of presidential 'executive orders' when Obama was in office because they were perfectly happy to permit 'black Jesus' to rule by decree like a dictator. And because they were on the right sight if history it never seemed to occur to them that Donald Trump would come along and use the self same powers they granted the office to demolish their sacred cows.


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    #154
    Marcos
    Registered Users Posts: 473 ✭✭Marcos


    So to summarise people that are arguing here are either
    sweet_trip wrote:
    anti-mask plandemic díckheads
    who
    sweet_trip wrote:
    should be ****ing ran out of Dublin and out of this country
    and
    Infini wrote:
    ratlickers and conspiracy junkies: These aren't purely peaceful protestors, these are malicious agitators, troublemakers . . . football hooligans . . out to cause harm . . .they're thick idiots at best and malicious shítstirrers
    Or they
    HotDudeLife wrote: »
    all possess a frail or obese body, usually depend on government support, are weak, vegan, feminist etc. . . low or next to non existent testosterone. . . .
    Low-T "men" are easier to control.
    Or
    The FNG wrote: »
    wimpy losers who think they’ll attract women with suck-up speeches about racism. . . . Sissy boys

    You’re all as bad as each other.

    Meanwhile
    Manach wrote: »
    The right the protest is not Government sanctioned endownment, but is a reflection of the constituion which in turn is a reflection of the natural right to peacefully protest for a free people. That is is a summary of my consitutional law module.
    It isn’t Coveney’s power to give or take it away. But some on here want to give it away because they don’t like the other crowd, not caring or imagining that they will ever be stopped from protesting.
    Manach wrote: »
    That the government seeks to overreach and ban such, after laying the groundwork by planning to do so for Pro-Life protests is not a surprise, that they are doing so in such a short time is. This betokens a level of hubris and lack of self awareness that has not been seen outside the realm of Ancien Regiem.
    That worked out so well for the Ancien Regime didn’t it? Take away the right to peaceful protest and it never works out well.

    conorhal wrote: »


    We've seen this all before and we know how it plays out, government's are always reluctant to surrender 'emergency powers' that grant them the right to control the plebs.
    Look at the 'patriot act' in the US. 20yrs after 9/11 and it has been primarily been used as a tool of mass surveillance on ordinary US citizens.
    It's very hard to put that genie back into the bottle.
    conorhal wrote: »
    On the Libtard side of things (and an indicator of just how wrong such bone headed powers can be) the Left extended the power and scope of presidential 'executive orders' when Obama was in office because they were perfectly happy to permit 'black Jesus' to rule by decree like a dictator. And because they were on the right sight if history it never seemed to occur to them that Donald Trump would come along and use the self same powers they granted the office to demolish their sacred cows.
    Putting aside terms like Libtard and Black Jesus, this is correct. Things go in cycles, like you said Obama started using executive authority to push through his agenda. Trump got in and is using his executive authority to dismantle protections that people thought were sacrosanct. This is the law of unintended consequences.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



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    #155
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,192 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    A simple solution is that we could convert the polo grounds in the Phoenix Park into a protest centre. It would have a number of advantages:

    (1) Michael D. could come out and chat to the protesters any time he liked and listen to their pleas
    (2) They could protest all night and the only people they would keep awake are Michael D and the animals in the zoo.
    (3) If two rival protests are happening, they could have a right go at each other without causing any real damage to property.
    (4) Nobody would be stopping traffic at O'Connell Bridge or Kildare Street and the rest of us can get on with our lives.
    (5) The media can sit permanently out there for their sob stories.
    (6) The rest of us can get on with our lives in peace without having to listen to the whingers and moaners
    (7) The right to protest can continue during the pandemic
    (8) They are far away from the rest of us (other than Michael D) that if the virus gets among them, the rest of us will be safe.


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    #156
    conorhal
    Registered Users Posts: 6,983 ✭✭✭conorhal


    blanch152 wrote: »
    A simple solution is that we could convert the polo grounds in the Phoenix Park into a protest centre. It would have a number of advantages:

    (1) Michael D. could come out and chat to the protesters any time he liked and listen to their pleas
    (2) They could protest all night and the only people they would keep awake are Michael D and the animals in the zoo.
    (3) If two rival protests are happening, they could have a right go at each other without causing any real damage to property.
    (4) Nobody would be stopping traffic at O'Connell Bridge or Kildare Street and the rest of us can get on with our lives.
    (5) The media can sit permanently out there for their sob stories.
    (6) The rest of us can get on with our lives in peace without having to listen to the whingers and moaners
    (7) The right to protest can continue during the pandemic
    (8) They are far away from the rest of us (other than Michael D) that if the virus gets among them, the rest of us will be safe.


    You really don't understand what a protest is do you?


    BTW, you have my permission to reply to this, ...but only by fax machine, since we're making up rediculous conditions under which people are allowed to express and opinion.


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    #157
    Clarence Boddiker
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Clarence Boddiker


    sabat wrote: »
    But the mysteriously disappearing "skin flap" was in a completely different place :confused:

    That was the self-inflicted wound when they realised they had been rumbled:

    https://twitter.com/79_gunrunner/status/1305249825638711305

    Wow she healed up fast, here she is earlier today at a protest. No sign of an injury at all.. Almost miraculous.


    IMG-20200919-234811.jpg


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    #158
    dan1895
    Registered Users Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭dan1895


    Last week it was claimed it was self inflicted. Now it's being claimed there was never any wound. Which is it?


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    #159
    francois
    Registered Users Posts: 3,377 ✭✭✭francois


    dan1895 wrote: »
    Last week it was claimed it was self inflicted. Now it's being claimed there was never any wound. Which is it?

    Apparently a far right effort to try and discredit the attack and claim it was a setup using a"blood bag". Nobody's falling for it.


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    #160
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 18,910 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    conorhal wrote: »
    Look at the 'patriot act' in the US. 20yrs after 9/11 and it has been primarily been used as a tool of mass surveillance on ordinary US citizens.

    Mmmm...it's almost as if that was its primary goal in the first place. ;)

    Re: the right to protest, it must and always be a staple in any kind of democracy. People should have to the right to protest and make their voices heard against measures they find unacceptable, irrespective of what that protest is about.

    Coveney's on dodgy ground even suggesting a ban.


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    #161
    Yellow_Fern
    Registered Users Posts: 2,570 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    dan1895 wrote: »
    Equating a civil liberties matter with conspiracy theorist. Ok.

    Protesting to regain the right to return to normal, incurring whatever the risk it represents to oneself and others is a civil liberties matter. Of course there is a huge potential cost to public health but the idea that you breakdown a complicated matter to a binary is insane. Also the person did not equate experiences of African Americans and Irish people cooped up during the shutdown.


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    #162
    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    Clarence Boddiker wrote: »
    Wow she healed up fast, here she is earlier today at a protest. No sign of an injury at all.. Almost miraculous.


    IMG-20200919-234811.jpg

    That is a picture of a man.


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    #163
    Yellow_Fern
    Registered Users Posts: 2,570 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    francois wrote: »
    Apparently a far right effort to try and discredit the attack and claim it was a setup using a"blood bag". Nobody's falling for it.

    How can you flippantly just label people you don't know, you never met on a few words Far Right?


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    #164
    francois
    Registered Users Posts: 3,377 ✭✭✭francois


    Yellow_Fern wrote: »
    How can you flippantly just label people you don't know, you
    never met on a few words Far Right?

    Easily


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    #165
    tigerboon
    Registered Users Posts: 721 ✭✭✭tigerboon


    Marcos wrote: »
    It isn’t Coveney’s power to give or take it away.

    This is the point most seem to be missing


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    #166
    AllForIt
    Registered Users Posts: 8,270 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/big-read-the-irish-far-right-is-on-the-rise-39545196.html

    I just had to laugh at the utterly ridiculous piece in the Indo by a certain Ali Bracken.
    The gay rights activist was beaten around the head with a wooden pole draped in a tricolour by factions of the extremist far right.

    Factions! ...the EXTREMIST far right! What on earth is she talking about? I didn't see any swastika symbols or booted skinheads. The only person like looks like an extremist to me is that wan with the black Nazi leather coat.
    Officers from the Special Detective Unit (SDU), which monitors the activities of terrorists and violent extremists, are now looking with "renewed interest" at far-right extremists active in Ireland.

    What activities would these be I wonder? Expressing an opinion not in line with the Governments? That should come with a mandatory life sentence I should think. Perhaps it's time for nationwide surveillance including hidden microphones to deter those who think they can have their own opinions and even worse express them publicly.

    I think it's no surprise that there may very well be a push to the right in this country with all the current social issues and it looks to me there are those who want to put their own intentionally hysterical spin on it from the get go, you know, before it gets out of hand.


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    #167
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    AllForIt wrote: »
    I think it's no surprise that there may very well be a push to the right in this country with all the current social issues and it looks to me there are those who want to put their own intentionally hysterical spin on it from the get go, you know, before it gets out of hand.

    To be fair, a push to the left is little different from a push to the right. Both sides, once you reach a certain point become intolerant of others opinions, and seek to control behavior. I don't think there's any real movement to the right in this country. it's more of a reaction to leftist policies over the last while... Irish people/authorities, for the most part, will drift back to the center.


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    #168
    TomTomTim
    Registered Users Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    AllForIt wrote: »
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/big-read-the-irish-far-right-is-on-the-rise-39545196.html




    Factions! ...the EXTREMIST far right! What on earth is she talking about? I didn't see any swastika symbols or booted skinheads. The only person like looks like an extremist to me is that wan with the black Nazi leather coat.



    .

    They get worse and worse by the day, with their extremely liberal use of the term "far right". You'll notice that they never try and explain what makes these groups "far right", they just shout far right enough times and hope that it will stick.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




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    #169
    Yellow_Fern
    Registered Users Posts: 2,570 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    TomTomTim wrote: »
    They get worse and worse by the day, with their extremely liberal use of the term "far right". You'll notice that they never try and explain what makes these groups "far right", they just shout far right enough times and hope that it will stick.

    It is really quite frightening because if there is ever an actual Far Right movement it will be a boy who cried wolf situation.


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    #170
    Acosta
    Registered Users Posts: 2,259 ✭✭✭Acosta


    sabat wrote: »
    But the mysteriously disappearing "skin flap" was in a completely different place :confused:

    That was the self-inflicted wound when they realised they had been rumbled:

    https://twitter.com/79_gunrunner/status/1305249825638711305
    AllForIt wrote: »
    The counter-protesters deserved what they got.

    They turned up because they consider the individual protesters their 'enemy'. They didn't turn up to protest about anything. They just showed up to cause trouble. They caused trouble and then they got what they deserved.

    I actually think it's quite funny what happened to them. They come across more unhinged than the 'far right' crowd. What's with that full length Nazi looking coat at this time of year. Let's face it - their just that bit weirdo type.
    Clarence Boddiker wrote: »
    Wow she healed up fast, here she is earlier today at a protest. No sign of an injury at all.. Almost miraculous.


    IMG-20200919-234811.jpg


    https://twitter.com/SteBreen/status/1319325000638353410?s=20


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