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England v Ireland Autumn Nations Cup | 21.11.20 KO 15:00 | RTE 1 Read Post #5

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  • #152
    TomsOnTheRoof
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    Kelleher is poor but wtf is Ryan at calling to the back and the middle?


  • #153
    Former Former Former
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Kelleher just isn't ready. No two ways about it.

    Absolutely awful from Farrell who isn't up to this level at all.


  • #154
    Bazzo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,047 ✭✭✭Bazzo


    Solutionking wrote: »
    Is the issue Kelleher or the lineout?

    Kelleher


  • #155
    Spore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Spore


    Other than line out we're not that bad, some inaccurate kicks but good play otherwise. We just need to stem the tide now and build momentum


  • #156
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


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    pickarooney wrote: »
    Excellent crossfield from Farrell, not a whole lot Keenan could do bar grow a few inches.

    Other than catch it I suppose.


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  • #157
    SlickRic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,358 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Boys and men.

    One team is professional enough to have a stable set piece.

    The other isn't.

    And it's a coaching issue as much as the players.

    If you can't do the basics, it doesn't really matter what else you can do.


  • #158
    Clegg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,223 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Paul Weller wrote: »
    He isn't..not by a country mile.. but that's an argument for a different day

    He probably is though. Has the best open field game of all the available hookers and his throwing is pretty much the par with others as well. We've had lineout problems with Herring, Scannell and Best in the past as well. It's far more than just the hooker.


  • #159
    KaneToad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    leakyboots wrote: »
    How was POM the closest to him going over the line, he was still in the air when the English got the ball?

    Lowe is in the background jogging

    Very impressive chasing back by POM.


  • #160
    Niallof9
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    The Honeymoon period resolutely ends here today


  • #161
    leakyboots
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    Poor missed tackle by Farrell in the build up too


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  • #162
    almostover
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    leakyboots wrote: »
    How was POM the closest to him going over the line, he was still in the air when the English got the ball?

    Lowe is in the background jogging

    Lowe finding things a bit of a step up today. How was a flanker who isnt known for his speed the closest chaser?


  • #163
    touts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭touts


    How the hell was Peter O'Mahony the one closest to May after running 100m. Where are all these speedy backs we're supposed to have?. They would run like the wind if it was a potential try at the other end. Need to put the work in at both ends lads.


  • #164
    razorblunt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    Stupid one out carries to static ball carriers as always.

    How was POM the closest back to May, where was Lowe?


  • #165
    UAEguy2020
    Registered Users Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭UAEguy2020


    Niallof9 wrote: »
    The Honeymoon period resolutely ends here today


    It hasnt really been much of a honeymoon.


  • #166
    AlfaZen
    Registered Users Posts: 423 ✭✭AlfaZen


    Solutionking wrote: »
    Is the issue Kelleher or the lineout?

    Hooker. Too high.
    First line out was crooked. Definitely not Best.


  • #167
    kmart6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,172 ✭✭✭✭kmart6


    leakyboots wrote: »
    How was POM the closest to him going over the line, he was still in the air when the English got the ball?

    Lowe is in the background jogging
    Overhead showed him taking a straight line back.


  • #168
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 54,109 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    We’re being bullied.


  • #169
    UAEguy2020
    Registered Users Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭UAEguy2020


    Lineout for ireland, that means try number 3 for England is coming ofcourse...


  • #170
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,962 ✭ [Deleted User]


    I thought that they might put the kiboksh on England's fast start with this lineup but it seems not


  • #171
    Spore
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    going for the line, hmmm


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  • #172
    pickarooney
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    bennyl10 wrote: »
    How can we not have any test level hooker?

    Herring is decent.


  • #173
    Subpopulus
    Registered Users Posts: 837 ✭✭✭Subpopulus


    England tackle bloody hard don't they.


  • #174
    The Lost Sheep
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    Clegg wrote: »
    He probably is though. Has the best open field game of all the available hookers and his throwing is pretty much the par with others as well. We've had lineout problems with Herring, Scannell and Best in the past as well. It's far more than just the hooker.
    He isnt though. Being best open field runner which might not be true considering at provncial level he's in an extremely dominant pack which his rivals dont have. And he's hooker and primary duties are throwing into the lineout and scrummaging.


  • #175
    Kraftwerk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 472 ✭✭Kraftwerk


    Sinkler always good for a few brain dead penalties.


  • #176
    eigrod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,612 ✭✭✭eigrod


    Why are we not taking the points? Would be 5-3 if we took on the 1st one? Ffs.


  • #177
    TomsOnTheRoof
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    Will Ryan ****ing call to the front!!!


  • #178
    Paul Weller
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    Clegg wrote: »
    He probably is though. Has the best open field game of all the available hookers and his throwing is pretty much the par with others as well. We've had lineout problems with Herring, Scannell and Best in the past as well. It's far more than just the hooker.

    i don't think anyone really believes he's the best hooker in the country.. not even a close run thing...


  • #179
    KH25
    Registered Users Posts: 5,923 ✭✭✭KH25


    Our lineout is a mess.


  • #180
    Clegg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,223 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Suppose we're going to blame Kelleher for that one too?


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  • #181
    kmart6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,172 ✭✭✭✭kmart6


    That was on Ryan not securing it, not Kelleher before people jump on him again.


  • #182
    razorblunt
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    The lineout would get torn apart at amateur level.


  • #183
    lawrencesummers
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    almostover wrote: »
    Lowe finding things a bit of a step up today. How was a flanker who isnt known for his speed the closest chaser?



    Desire.


  • #184
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,576 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    Kevin OByrne could legitimately be in line for an Ireland call up

    Cant be any worse than what we have


  • #185
    UAEguy2020
    Registered Users Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭UAEguy2020


    Won 1 line out from 4, this is really unforgivable at this level.


  • #186
    Clegg
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    He isnt though. Being best open field runner which might not be true considering at provncial level he's in an extremely dominant pack which his rivals dont have. And he's hooker and primary duties are throwing into the lineout and scrummaging.

    I think it's pretty clear that the problem is a systems issue. We've had the same issue with numerous different hookers. Bette roff persisting with the young gun with a huge upside.


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  • #187
    bennyl10
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    Clegg wrote: »
    Suppose we're going to blame Kelleher for that one too?

    Not that one, but in general we’ve seen time and time again he isn’t test level


  • #188
    AlfaZen
    Registered Users Posts: 423 ✭✭AlfaZen


    Clegg wrote: »
    Suppose we're going to blame Kelleher for that one too?

    No that was Ryan not protecting the ball and Itoje out playing him


  • #189
    SlickRic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,358 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    We keep being told how physical England are.

    That's not the issue.

    Our play is predictable and they're lining us up in 2s and 3s.

    Easy to defend.


  • #190
    Solutionking
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    The only way Ireland is going to bring in new player is to play them,.....everyone is giving out and wants change, Ireland changes and put in new players and every one complains......


  • #191
    pickarooney
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    kmart6 wrote: »
    That was on Ryan not securing it, not Kelleher before people jump on him again.

    It was on Itoje being a world class lineout defender.


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  • #192
    [Deleted User]
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    Itoje the complete player


  • #193
    touts
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    KH25 wrote: »
    Our lineout is a mess.

    Kelleher will be lucky to make it to half time. Between the lineout and the scrums he's being destroyed.


  • #194
    UAEguy2020
    Registered Users Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭UAEguy2020


    We have won 20% of our lineouts today, how do you plan to win any test match with stats like this?


  • #195
    Faugheen
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    bennyl10 wrote: »
    Kevin OByrne could legitimately be in line for an Ireland call up

    Cant be any worse than what we have

    This is nonsense that everything is put on Kelleher.

    The last two throws were bang on the money, but the English jumpers read it perfectly.

    That’s not Kellehers fault.

    I swear we’re so quick to find someone to blame here.


  • #196
    pc7
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    England are everywhere, have to give it to them. We are giving them (literally), but they are impressive.


  • #197
    razorblunt
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    Attacking line is too deep, passing is too slow, too easy to read, England are just blitzing like they always do. Turn the fûckers round.


  • #198
    Garda Kenny
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 108 ✭✭Garda Kenny


    Murray would be killing us here if he was playing. Gibson park much improving our play


  • #199
    SlickRic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,358 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    Pass. Pass. Gets tackled.

    Pass. Pass. Gets tackled.

    Rinse. Repeat.


  • #200
    Happy4all
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    All too predictable in attack


  • #201
    lawrencesummers
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    As much as it’s not nice to see how we are getting beaten in scrum, lineout and in the tackle it’s fascinating to watch Itoje playing the game. He is the most complete forward I have ever seen playing the game.


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