Watch Dogs : Legion (PC, PS4, Xbox One, Stadia)

Penn · 15-09-2020 11:11pm

I think some people found the first game too dreary and bland, so for the sequel Ubisoft just stuck lights, graffiti and noise on everything. I had hoped they'd find a middle ground for the third game but doesn't look like it, especially since they've shoved the novelty of the old woman with the taser down our throats so much already that if I ever do play the game, I'm going to make her character die just out of spite.

JimBurnley · 16-09-2020 12:05am

Played them both this year. Really enjoyed the first, it looks great given its age, adds a new take on the gta type games which made the gameplay enjoyable, and the story and atmosphere were excellent too.

The 2nd game I found to be a pile of cack, tried a few times but couldn't get into it at all, too much is thrown at you early on, and it felt like was trying too hard to look like Vice City with it's big bright colours.

Have fairly low expectations from Legion, way too many character choices for my liking, Jack of all trades but master of none springs to mind

EoinMcLovin · 06-10-2020 5:14pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mOVusuXl7E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYdjRQgN2SU

Jordan 199 · 08-10-2020 3:43am

I would like if Jordi Chin returned. Anyone remember Jordi?

Jordan 199 · 14-10-2020 4:03am

Penn wrote: »

I had hoped they'd find a middle ground for the third game but doesn't look like it

They could have. All they needed was a character called Aiden Holloway or Marcus Pearce

Jordan 199 · 19-10-2020 2:57pm

I am so unsure about this game so I pre-ordered it, cancelled it and pre-ordered it again. Going to play it on PS4 for a bit of a change.

It will be out for PS4 and XB One players on the 29th of October (Thursday week).

Jordan 199 · 22-10-2020 10:29pm

Anyone going to get this on release?

JimBurnley · 22-10-2020 10:40pm

Jordan 199 wrote: »

Anyone going to get this on release?

It's a wait and see for me. If I'd only played WD1 in the series I'd have been tempted, really enjoyed that. WD2 left a sour taste though... depending on reviews might pick up Legion when price drops next year

marcbrophy · 23-10-2020 1:06pm

Jordan 199 wrote: »

Anyone going to get this on release?

Yeah, getting the gold edition :pac:

dreamers75 · 23-10-2020 4:33pm

Yeah need a new game, have the avengers to clear before this comes out.

EoinMcLovin · 26-10-2020 4:38pm

The first 2 hours of the game will be shown from 4pm today. Saw that Eurogamer and Ubisoft have videos scheduled for that time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn3T744rsNo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZLu1LXogOg

Edit: Looks like streamers are playing it on Twitch now

Sephiroth_dude · 27-10-2020 10:14am

Starting pre loading for me last night.

Icyseanfitz · 27-10-2020 11:09am

Is this coming out on game pass on pc?

Kiith · 27-10-2020 11:38am

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Is this coming out on game pass on pc?

Won't be on Game Pass, as its Ubisoft. It'll be on their live service thing though.

marcbrophy · 27-10-2020 5:48pm

The Phantom Pain wrote: »

Shipped. :cool:

You order direct from Ubi?

Jordan 199 · 27-10-2020 6:09pm

The Phantom Pain wrote: »

Trusted seller on Ebay.

Please name the seller.

aaronjennings · 27-10-2020 6:10pm

Pre-ordered with GameStop, for some reason they sent me two pre-order bonus codes

It's just an in-game mask and some skins, but if anyone wants it, first to PM me can have it

Works on all platforms

marcbrophy · 27-10-2020 6:14pm

The Phantom Pain wrote: »

Trusted seller on Ebay.

Cool, sitting here waiting for my Ubi order to dispatch!
I might be overthinking, but I ordered Valhalla in the same order.
I'm hoping they don't wait for AC to release, before they ship the both of them

farreca · 28-10-2020 11:00am

marcbrophy wrote: »

Cool, sitting here waiting for my Ubi order to dispatch!
I might be overthinking, but I ordered Valhalla in the same order.
I'm hoping they don't wait for AC to release, before they ship the both of them

Ordered from ubisoft as well, didn't get an email but it's saying it's shipped on my orders page.

marcbrophy · 28-10-2020 12:00pm

farreca wrote: »

Ordered from ubisoft as well, didn't get an email but it's saying it's shipped on my orders page.

You might have got it since this post, I got a shipment mail from Ubi at 10:30

brady12 · 28-10-2020 12:17pm

Mixed reviews

EoinMcLovin · 28-10-2020 12:32pm

Currently 75 on opencritic
IGN – 8
Game Informer – 9
Gamesradar – 3.5/5
PC Gamer – 80/100

https://opencritic.com/game/7405/watch-dogs-legion/charts
ACG said wait for sale

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3dklTrUt04

dreamers75 · 28-10-2020 12:49pm

Few reviews I read state good game but doesnt say enough about post brexit britian.

I dont care for pre brexit, during brexit or post brexit britian, I wanna tase old grannies. Reviews explicitly clear that the missions are repetitive but your choice in how to complete them gives you a lot of options re loud, quite, hack.

martingriff · 28-10-2020 12:57pm

Just got mine so glad I changed my in store (have no idea when original order) order to get delivered. Just put it in to get the playstation system update done. Guessing game update (of any) will be tomorrow. Also will codes work now

Exclamation Marc · 28-10-2020 12:59pm

dreamers75 wrote: »

Few reviews I read state good game but doesnt say enough about post brexit britian.

I dont care for pre brexit, during brexit or post brexit britian, I wanna tase old grannies.

I hate those types of reviews. Reviewing something for what its not or what someone expects it to be is absolutely moronic.

Gonzovision · 28-10-2020 1:03pm

Signed up for a month of Ubi + so will give it a go. Didn't fancy dropping 60 quid on it for Xbox. Will tide me over until Series X and Assassins Creed.

Gingervitis · 28-10-2020 1:25pm

Gonzovision wrote: »

Signed up for a month of Ubi + so will give it a go. Didn't fancy dropping 60 quid on it for Xbox. Will tide me over until Series X and Assassins Creed.

Same, 15 euro to play this and AC Valhalla for a month will do me perfectly. If it gets as repetitive as they say towards the end I'll happily ditch both and cancel Uplay+ by the time Cyberpunk releases (whenever that is...)

marcbrophy · 28-10-2020 2:03pm

Hold on!
I can play these new games with Ubisoft Plus?

Ah FFS :mad:

dreamers75 · 28-10-2020 2:45pm

Oh 100% did the same!

johnny_ultimate · 28-10-2020 8:02pm

I really like Austin Walker’s review of the game, which captures how I feel about almost all AAA games these days (especially the Ubisoft ones). Just a sharp, thoughtful piece of game criticism that pokes at the limits of this type of design while giving the game a fair shake on its own terms. https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkdy5y/watch-dogs-legion-review

Even Clint Hocking gave it a nod of respect :pac:

https://twitter.com/clicknothing/status/1321479000213082113?s=21

dreamers75 · 28-10-2020 8:20pm

Playable if you live in New Zealand like I do.

Spear · 28-10-2020 11:16pm

It's open on PC currently.

Wuff Wuff · 29-10-2020 9:26am

dreamers75 wrote: »

I wanna tase old grannies

marcbrophy · 29-10-2020 11:40am

Wuff Wuff wrote: »

Tase, not taste!

biggebruv · 29-10-2020 11:57am

Gonzovision wrote: »

Signed up for a month of Ubi + so will give it a go. Didn't fancy dropping 60 quid on it for Xbox. Will tide me over until Series X and Assassins Creed.

Is uplay+ On PS4? How does it work I’ve never heard of it does it stream games also? Or do you need to DL them

Gonzovision · 29-10-2020 12:34pm

biggebruv wrote: »

Is uplay+ On PS4? How does it work I’ve never heard of it does it stream games also? Or do you need to DL them

Just PC

EoinMcLovin · 29-10-2020 12:35pm

biggebruv wrote: »

Is uplay+ On PS4? How does it work I’ve never heard of it does it stream games also? Or do you need to DL them

PC only
https://store.ubi.com/eu/uplayplus

marcbrophy · 29-10-2020 1:05pm

Will be on Amazon Luna (currently US only) on Nov 10th and Stadia "by the end of the year".

1 sub will cover all platforms

No consoles yet though

biggebruv · 29-10-2020 2:08pm

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

I really like Austin Walker’s review of the game, which captures how I feel about almost all AAA games these days (especially the Ubisoft ones). Just a sharp, thoughtful piece of game criticism that pokes at the limits of this type of design while giving the game a fair shake on its own terms. https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkdy5y/watch-dogs-legion-review

Even Clint Hocking gave it a nod of respect :pac:

https://twitter.com/clicknothing/status/1321479000213082113?s=21

Just giving it a read his review is banging on about real world events in 2020 in a silly si fi hacking game it’s a bit pretentious jaysus talking about how liberating an area in WD3 would not go down like that in real life like yeah no **** LOL

dreamers75 · 29-10-2020 4:20pm

Read that article and assumed he wants the game to stop midway tru and you run for local concillor and then go gather votes to be a TD or whatever then President then pass a bill outlawing all the surveillance and then the area rejoices in fireworks because they truly have been saved

Me: I can tase grannies??? hur hur

Penn · 29-10-2020 4:26pm

I think the point of those parts of the article are talking about how it's a split and disconnect in terms of story and gameplay; it makes you carry out menial tasks and behaves like you've liberated the region from a dictator. How the game is more political than their previous games (where Ubisoft have usually tried to claim their games aren't political) but ends up not doing anything interesting or purposeful with it.

It's not something that makes or breaks the game, but it's an interesting discussion to have imo.

martingriff · 29-10-2020 4:35pm

Just wondering for those who got the Gold Edition where you have to put the code into ubisoft redeem are they meant to be in the game or are you meant to get an e-mail

CatInABox · 29-10-2020 4:41pm

I think that it's fair enough to have complaints about a game if it doesn't properly explore one of the concepts that makes up a large part of the story, particularly if the gameplay side of it doesn't meaningfully move on either.

johnny_ultimate · 29-10-2020 4:45pm

Yep, no review or article will stop people who want to play this game as an open world playground - that game is clearly there (although sounds fairly repetitive going by the reviews I’ve read).

When these games clearly wade into social and political spaces, it’s a worthwhile exercise looking at how / if they succeed in that regard from different perspectives - and heck the review I linked is actually very concerned with the mechanics and gameplay design instead of just being a discussion about its politics anyway.

Games like this have the potential to be more than ‘tasing grannies’ simulators, and their designers clearly want them to be more than that. So very worthwhile IMO to read perspectives that take that into account. It’s doing games like this a disservice IMO to treat them as mere time-wasters devoid of any sort of context or storytelling or perspective.

Anyway, hope anyone who picks up the game enjoys it from whatever angle they’re coming from. I’m fascinated by Clint Hocking’s work so will give this a look at some stage... but also I’m not a fan of recent Ubisoft open world games at all so for now will be just enjoying the critical discussion around it.

Thecageyone · 29-10-2020 9:01pm

I had high hopes for this, but ... been watching streams of it for a couple hours and it feels ... empty, lifeless, the AI is atrocious; One guy pushed a motorcyclist off their bike, the biker just casually walked away as he stole the bike, other cars he stole didn't even have a driver! in general random AI don't seem to interact with your character at all. I found the voice acting irritating all-round too. I haven't read any 'reviews' wanted to see it in action for myself. I'll watch some more, but unless it takes ages to really get going, I don't think it's for me.

Grumpypants · 29-10-2020 10:07pm

My biggest issues start with the layout of missions. It has taken a good 8 hours to get into the game (which I now do like). The opening few hours should keep missions located closer together. Use that time to bring you through using the hacking tech, the upgrades and the recruitment process before opening up the city, as you waste so much time driving around.

Misions are often 2 or 3 km apart. Even side quests send you off around the map. Driving in traffic in the rain isn't fun, so you fast travel. Fast travel has load times of sometimes 70 or 80 seconds. So neither option is fun.

With all the different characters you can choose, it is hard to care about any if them. Some you will hate as they are so annoying. The accents go through me.

It should also be harder to recruit. Recruiting basically goes like this. Find a person, get a side quest from them, complete it, and they join Dedsec.

Remember Dedsec are supposed to be a "terrorist organization" That has just blown up London. You have a heavy handed military police presence too. People should need a bit more convincing than just having some emails deleted before joining.

The way missions "should be done" (although you are free to do it any way you choose) is you survey the building. Figure out who wouldn't look out of place. Paramedic in a hospital, construction workers in a building site etc.

You go recruit them, then you use your hacker skills to hack cameras, open doors, get key cards, use spider bots to sneak in. Go all stealth....but you always end up getting spotted and then just kill everyone and walk in.

Then you start to not bother even recruiting the right person, you just use the one with the least annoying accent and murder everyone.

I get the feeling there is a really deep game mechanic here but not sure I have the patience to play it the right/long way.

goon_magee · 30-10-2020 12:20am

Couple hours in and it I'm not sure what to make of it. Definitely not grabbing me like WD2 did, which is one of my favourite games of the gen.

The whole play as anyone concept is much cooler on paper than it is in practice. I appreciate the diversity in abilities and skill sets, but it gives the whole thing a very unnatural feeling. Dialogue feels off and really generic, and the recruitment missions/the ease with which people join your cause feels comical. I get that the process of recruitment needs to be streamlined due to the nature of being able to play as anyone, but it just feels downright illogical and saps all sense of immersion and believability from the world.

IMO a much better approach would have been to create a dozen or so handcrafted playable characters, as well as a dedicated main protagonist. Have each of the side characters be optional team members you can recruit via bespoke side missions that are actually fleshed out.

I'm sure some people will love this gimmick, but for me at least, now the novelty has worn off it's clear the rest of the game is going to suffer greatly as a result of them going all in on this concept.

Grumpypants · 30-10-2020 12:33am

If you had to work to recruit them then it would have some pay off. If you spent time with then getting to know them etc. But I have 5 or 6 on my team and I couldn't tell you one of their names.

goon_magee · 30-10-2020 1:31am

Grumpypants wrote: »

If you had to work to recruit them then it would have some pay off. If you spent time with then getting to know them etc. But I have 5 or 6 on my team and I couldn't tell you one of their names.

Completely agree, there's just no attachment there with any characters which was my main concern from the moment this system was revealed.

I've also just had a really odd moment where I completed a mission as one character which resulted in me getting a new recruit, after which I then immediately swapped to the new recruit. The DedSec AI then spoke to me over comms, with the dialogue playing out as though my new recruit was the one who had completed the mission, congratulating her on a great performance and for making it out alive etc. This new character then carried the conversation on as though this was all correct, as if she was the one who had just been through this near death experience!

I mean I have to give them props for getting the system working as well as it does as I envisioned it being a total train wreck, but when the cracks begin to show as they did with that little exchange, it doesn't half pull me out of the experience.

Potential-Monke · 30-10-2020 1:58am

Sounds like it would have played better if you were a shape shifting android who could take on the appearance of others for specific reasons... Ye're not selling it to me!

Watch Dogs : Legion (PC, PS4, Xbox One, Stadia)

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