New Worldwide Handicap System

Enter name here wrote: »

Obviously no convincing you, having played under both systems for a number of years. The new system is a much fairer system and more indicative of how you are currently playing. It makes it fairer for all levels of golf.
And for players to actually gain 5 shots back takes so many bad games and so long to accomplish it can be hardly worth it.
The best thing from my point of view is the slope rating differential from course to course which will take into consideration each course based on that. It will make inter club playing and competitions more competitive.

clearly not but i do agree with the rest of this post

Seve OB wrote: »

nobody should expect to be regularly breaking 33 points off any handicap. thats the principle of the system.
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This is the bit that IMO for whatever reason, the vast, vast majority of club golfers don't know/get/agree with/accept etc.
From what I've seen and heard over the years there's a fairly widely held view that, for example a 10 handicapper should be in or around 10 over par, most of the time. I've genuinely never once, in 35 years playing since being a juvenile, heard anyone refer to your handicap as being your potential.
That's not to say these people are correct, just there's been a communication breakdown somewhere along the line and an understanding of what your handicap actually is, hasn't been widely promoted.
Maybe under the WHS, it'll change with effectively a handicap being regenerated ever 20 rounds. I know it's a rolling thing overall, but a completely new set of numbers will be in play 20 rounds after your first WHS handicap, so maybe guys will pay a bit more attention.

Enter name here wrote: »

Ok lets say the 60 yr old playing off 27, makes a few great putts and has and unbelievable game and shoots 42 points the css for the day is 35. Loses 3 shots off his/her handicap and then doesn't break 33 points again for who knows how long. Takes him/her 3 years at 1 shot per 12 months.

Now the silly talk is low handicappers wanting to win everything and complaining about mid to high handicappers. Well that's a grand idea drive all those members away from the game because you cant win everything. This is why is are divisions. Are you prepared to pay the extra membership and green fees when your club only has 40 or so active members playing?
Personally I like the challenge of trying to beat high handicappers gives me a challenge to go out each day and shoot low.

This guy will have a 3 shot buffer so will in all likelihood be in his buffer most of the time anyway...which is exactly the point.
If he isnt then he will 0.1 his way back to where he should be.
There is no right to have a competitive handicap everytime you step on the course, irrespective of how well or badly you are playing!

GreeBo wrote: »

If people actually read how the CONGU handicap is calculated its obvious that its not an average...since...well, it doesnt involve calculating an average.

• Its far easier to get cut than get an increase (0.1 max vs up to a full shot per shot)
• You can get exceptional reductions
• You can only increase 1.0 from your lowest
• High scores are adjusted down to net double bogeys
• There is a buffer zone based on your current handicap

From the above it should be clear to anyone that cares enough to have an opinion that its nothing to do with what you should be scoring on average.

Ohh I totally agree. Its obvious since you get cut in bigger increments than you can increase by. But I'd suggest a huge amount of golfers, particularly (at the risk of causing some offence) older golfers, have never and will never read a CONGU manual of any sort, or even thought the whole argument through. These are guys who are about to go into the 3rd handicap system of their golfing lives.
Its also a fairly simple thought to hold, 10 handicap = 10 over. TBH my issue is that I think the GUI and/or the clubs maybe should have done more to promote an explanation of handicap rather than just have it in a manual or on a website, given their target market.

Enter name here wrote: »

Funniest thing I heard in a while, now I understand why Irish golfers win so rarely on the PGA. So if i was to believe you golfers shouldn't be competitive each time they walk onto a course? If that is the case why even bother with competitions? Why not just do as the Americans do and play a few cash games with the lads.

No.
Why would you think you should still be competitive if you are playing badly?
If that was the case, why not calculate your handicap after 9 holes to make you more competitive on the back 9?
Why not after every hole?

Yeah, thats why Irish golfers do "so" badly, nothing to do with population at all.

Think this could be a nightmare, maximum handicaps of 54 is silly and will just lead to more slow play. Whole thing seems far too complicated. I think the current system works quite well.

Also hopefully that the slope of our golf courses will be affected by the weather we receive. I.e. a 7000 yard course in Ireland should have a much more difficult slope rating than a 7000 yard course in Texas by virtue of the weather we play in every day of the week

I cant wait, maybe I will finally win a Captains Prize :P

fred funk }{ wrote: »

Golf in Ireland & Britain is played completely differently than the US for example. They pretty much play casual golf only and enter their scores on an App which tracks and adjusts their HC.

And as we all know the way they play with gimmies etc. which is why their HC's are a nonsense. We need to see some details but I'm holding out some hope as the R&A and the GUI have been very proactive in reducing the banditry over here and can't see them allowing someone increase their HC by 5 shots in a season.

Agree that handicaps in the US are a joke but people there play with far lower handicaps than they should - its about ego, not winning competitions.

https://www.englandgolf.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/QAs-PDF.docx.pdf

That is much better than anything we have

If I'm reading it right, this is how a simple 8/20 would work for me

Working out my handicap over my last 20 rounds, me best 8 cards are :: +11, +10, +9, +10, +7, +6, +5 and +1. This gives me an average of 7.375(7.4) which is 7.

The next round I play, I'm going to lose the +5. So in order to stay off 7, I'll need to shoot +6 or better. If I don't beat +11, my total will be 65 as I have another +11 round to sub in and my new exact will be 8.125.

The good news is, that for the next 6 rounds I'm free Wheeling as none of those rounds are counting in my calculation and I have 6 opportunities to get cut. The bad news is, if I play badly through to round 9, I'll lose the +1 and my new handicap will be around 10.5 lol


That of course doesn't factor in slope and other such things, but for people genuinely trying to be their best, it's not bad at all. But for bandits its amazing!

Rikand wrote: »

If I'm reading it right, this is how a simple 8/20 would work for me

Working out my handicap over my last 20 rounds, me best 8 cards are :: +11, +10, +9, +10, +7, +6, +5 and +1. This gives me an average of 7.375(7.4) which is 7.

The next round I play, I'm going to lose the +5. So in order to stay off 7, I'll need to shoot +6 or better. If I don't beat +11, my total will be 65 as I have another +11 round to sub in and my new exact will be 8.125.

The good news is, that for the next 6 rounds I'm free Wheeling as none of those rounds are counting in my calculation and I have 6 opportunities to get cut. The bad news is, if I play badly through to round 9, I'll lose the +1 and my new handicap will be around 10.5 lol


That of course doesn't factor in slope and other such things, but for people genuinely trying to be their best, it's not bad at all. But for bandits its amazing!

Think there is a multiplier as well. .9 something

Roger_007 wrote: »

Is it not the case that the handicap committee in each club still effectively will have the final say in determining handicaps. So, if someone is obviously 'acting the bollix' with the scores they are returning, the handicap committee can overrule the automated determination.
What's the problem?

It could leave the poor handicap sec open to accusations .... " Are you trying to tell me I'm not being genuine ? "

Is it 20 last scores from this year or total? how does a NR work? I presume It isn't counted in the 20 scores.

A NR shouldn't make it into your best 8 rounds.
If u don't have 20 rounds then less rounds go to make up your Handicap index.

Your Handicap Index is your best 8 rounds averaged out then multiply by .96.

To do it right you have to have the course rating and slope rating to get your 8 best rounds as they might not be your 8 lowest scores.
Score - course rating × 113÷ slope rating.
80 - 72 × 113 ÷ 135 = 6.7 differential for that round.
80 - 72 × 113 ÷ 125 = 7.2 differential for that round.

That gives you a handicap differential and it's the lowest 8 of those u use.

Say u had a 80 on a tough course and 75 on a easy course it maybe the 80 that makes it into your best 8.
The slope and course rating are needed to do the calculation.
All makes perfect sense.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You could work it from gross scores. But for handiness take your current handicap and say its 10 if one of your 8 best was 34 points then add 2 to your handicap (2 + 10 = 12). If you had 40 points subtract 4. (10 - 4 = 6) Do that for all 8 scores. Add them up and divide by 8.

Not really if 2 golfers play a par 72 course and they both have shot say 8 rounds of 80. They could have very different handicaps depending on the difficulty of the course.

I assume that a computer system will churn out the handicap adjustments but what I don't understand is how are 'recreational' rounds going to get into the system to be included in the calculation of handicaps?
Am I missing something?